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@Shila
Jesus always dodge the question and never produced a sign.
Yes. Quite the master of the non answer, wasn't he. Just like many Christians are.
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@n8nrgmi
is it a weak point that many types of miracles of the bible dont happen nowadays?
That's because they weren't " miracles" in those ancient days either.
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@ the Witch
No efforts been made to investigate any other religion, gods or spiritual concepts. Lazy m************.
I have said to you many times before every time you say that^^^^^^; there is nothing stopping you from investigating any other religion, gods or spiritual concepts, is there Witch? You are such a hypocritical, contradictory and "Lazy m************".
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@Deb-8-a-bull
This skip. Is it a recyclable one ? If so yes
All the skips contents usually end up in landfill ,Deb The skip is reusable...until it isn't.
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@Shila
Obviously he returned as a spirit or Ghost.
Nope!
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@Shila
Jesus neither married or had children.How do you know that?Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus was married or had children.
I know. So you are appealing to absence then?
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@Sidewalker
The Existence of Green is Disproved
Nope. Percy discovered green:
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@Shila
Jesus neither married or had children.
How do you know that?
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@Shila
Even Jesus lamented about God on the cross.Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”
Yes indeed, Shila. The son of god losing his faith in god.
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@Shila
This is why the Golden Rule is Unique to Christianity. Christianity was the only beneficiary of the Golden Rule.
So are you saying that Christians have never fought one another?
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@zedvictor4
@ the Witch: Though it must be said that you certainly exhibit a lot of angst.
Not to mention her exhibiting persistent hypocrisy, double standards, misandry and venomous hate for atheists. . But she 'so loves the world'. John 3:16
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@Tradesecret
I assume you think that because he destroyed the world - that this means he did not love the world. Perhaps it might mean that. Or perhaps it might mean that he did not love what humans had become - so he decided to wash the world clean with water?
A lot of that speculation that you are averse to when others speculate going on there Reverend Tradsecret. Didn't you once tell us that you would never speculate when it comes to the bible/the word of god. 🤣
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@Shila
So your answer is , No, then.You cannot destroy the only evidence we have which is in the Bible..................
So your answer is no, and I agree but not for the same reasons. I said in my op :
Stephen wrote: I personally wouldn’t want to see this ancient work destroyed.#1
And so by Christians claiming for one to know and understand the bible, one has to be able to read ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew is complete and utter bullshite and only used as default when they find themselves cornered by awkward and embarrassing questions.
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@Shila
So your answer is , No, then.
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@Shila
There is no mention of Jesus bleeding or having blood, only flesh and bones. That would make him a Vampire.
FFS give over you clown. He had wounds, flesh wounds, and had invited people to have a poke around.
The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".
But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39
Jesus in the verses above is clearly saying he is not spirit because spirits do not have flesh and bone. Take it or leave it sunshine, but this is a biblical fact from the mouth of the Christ himself.
If you want to keep acting the complete and utter twat be my guest but don't expect too many responses from me.
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@Shila
Shila wrote: So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.Stephen wrote: NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.Shila wrote:The Bible describes spiritual bodies as immortal but not immaterial. A spiritual body is dominated by the spirit but it is not devoid of all matter. The Greek word used by Paul for spiritual (pneumatikos) means a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to one controlled by the flesh. So, a spiritual body is immortal and imperishable but it is not immaterial. According to Geisler, Paul’s reference to a “spiritual” (pneumatikos) body denotes a supernatural body, not a non-physical one. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul speaks of the “supernatural (pneumatikos) rock” from which the Israelites got “spiritual drink.” However, Exodus 17:5-6 and Numbers 20:8-9 make it clear the rock was a physical rock from which the Israelites got physical water, but by supernatural means. Further, when Paul spoke about the spiritual man in 1 Corinthians 2:11-15, he was not referring to an invisible, immaterial man without a physical body but a man with a fleshly body whose life was lived by the supernatural power of God.
Well it is there written in black on white. Jesus returned as he went a, full grown human . His wounds were flesh wounds. He says he is flesh and bone and clearly states that he cannot be a spirit because he is flesh and bone.
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@Shila
Stephen wrote: May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?Shila wrote: There was a reason the Bible was translated in over 150 different languages so it could become a universal outreach.The fact the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts are forever lost proves no one thought they were worth saving.Stephen wrote: OK. So what is your answer?Shila wrote: Jesus better learn English before returning or he will be largely ignored again.
But what about the bible? Should it be condemn The Bible To The Skip?
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@Shila
There was a reason the Bible was translated in over 150 different languages so it could become a universal outreach.The fact the original Greek, Hebrew manuscripts are forever lost proves no one thought they were worth saving.
OK. So what is your answer?
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@Shila
Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?According to the JW Jesus appeared to the disciples in the spirit and not in flesh and blood.Do you actually read the threads that you comment on?Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh .Stephen wrote: #29Jesus said"36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:36- 39So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.
NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.
The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".
But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39
Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.
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@Shila
English is unique in that one can say anything in English which can mean the same thing to any other language translators but the meaning quite easily gets lost in translation.
As I have already written above:
Stephen wrote; when [Christians are] pressed on such it appears that these very same people will resort to the default that one must understand Greek or Hebrew to even begin to understand a Bible that is written in English! But by saying so they do not seem to understand that they have, in just a few words, rendered the Bible written in English redundant, pointless and unreliable as any kind of “witness” source to the life and times of the Christ.#1
My point is that when Christians are pressed on matters biblical and posed awkward and or embarrassing questions about what is written in the bible, their default is along the lines of " your question is redundant because you can't read or understand the context of ancient Greek of ancient Hebrew". And by using this default they don't seem to realise that they, themselves, have just condemned all bibles written in English to the trash pile. Hence my question:
May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?
So is your answer yes or no?
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@Shila
Polytheist-Witch: I don't know, why are you a spam posting anti semite?Polytheist-Witch Why are you blocking Shila but yet responding the my posts?
Because she's a nineteen faced Witch of double standards and hypocrisy.
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@Shila
Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?According to the JW Jesus appeared to the disciples in the spirit and not in flesh and blood.
Do you actually read the threads that you comment on?
Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh .
Stephen wrote: #29Jesus said"36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:36- 39
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@Shila
According to Secret Mark Jesus was gay.
So? What's your point, other than if it were proven to be true it would go against everything taught about the "abomination" of homosexuality in the Bible for which "the lord " commands the death sentence? And the word is homosexual, not "gay".
I think your link says it all in its very first sentence:
'Over the last several centuries, people have made Jesus what they wanted Him to be".
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@Shila
And like I have pointed out above already: #44 Muslims may have a case when pointing to the Old Testamant, which is nothing more than a book of war and conquest as is the Quran.And I gave the valid reason Muslims point to the Old Testament.
FM! Is that all you are good for is repetitive posting causing others to remind you what they too have ALREADY said. I have more or less agreed with your comment you clown.😂😂
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@Shila
Muslims have a valid reason for claiming the Abrahamic covenant and promise.
And like I have pointed out above already: #44 Muslims may have a case when pointing to the Old Testamant, which is nothing more than a book of war and conquest as is the Quran.
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@Shila
You are being disingenuous.Stop trying to make out that these two so called saints had established a full fledged established "church" with a congregation made up off the masses in Rome, they didn't.They may well have founded a underground 'movement' which went against Rome. The persecution of Christians was rife at the time these two lived and Rome was still at war with the Jews. Jerusalem hadn't even fell at the time c 63-64 bc. Rome had it own gods and no way were they ready to add another "god" to their own established pantheon , especially a Jew god .According to Irenaeus, a 2nd-century Church Father, the church at Rome was founded directly by the apostles Peter and Paul.
So an apologist writing about 150 years after these two had been executed means exactly what? Like I have already said, these two may well have "founded" an underground early Christian movement in Rome and they, or others later, called it a "church. But it was not the established organisation that you are attempting to make it out to have been ..... Christians /Christianity wasn't accepted by Rome until the Battle of the Milvian Bridge c312. Which to my mind makes 248 years AFTER Paul & Peter were executed for crimes against Rome.
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@Shila
Witches are mostly women.
All witches are women. The equivalent for a man is a Warlock.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Each pastor comes with a TRULY AMAZING backing story.
Indeed Deb. There is certainly one pastor here on this forum that has invented the most amazing and detailed backstory for himself.
It has everything Hollywood prays for, Deb.
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@Shila
Why do Muslims always deflect to the Bible?How so?Muslims always deflect to the Bible because:..................
Then they are wasting their time aren't they? The New Testament teaching is completely the opposite to that of the Quran.
With that said, they - Muslims-may have a case when pointing to the Old Testamant, which is nothing more than a book of war and conquest as is the Quran.
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@Shila
Peter is said to have founded the Church in Rome with Paul,Both were executed in Rome by Romans.That was after they founded the Church in Rome.
You are being disingenuous.
Stop trying to make out that these two so called saints had established a full fledged established "church" with a congregation made up off the masses in Rome, they didn't.
They may well have founded a underground 'movement' which went against Rome. The persecution of Christians was rife at the time these two lived and Rome was still at war with the Jews. Jerusalem hadn't even fell at the time c 63-64 bc. Rome had it own gods and no way were they ready to add another "god" to their own established pantheon , especially a Jew god .
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@Dynasty
Why do Muslims always deflect to the Bible?
How so?
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@Shila
Peter is said to have founded the Church in Rome with Paul,
Both were executed in Rome by Romans.
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@Shila
So here you have proof of the death of Jesus,
Nope. No one witnessed a dead Christ.
the burial of Jesus by Joseph of Arimathea
The body of Jesus was placed in a tomb. So what?
and the resurrection of Jesus.
Nope. Not a single person witnessed a dead three days old , stinking and rotting corpse come back to life.
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@Shila
Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man.The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (c. AD 116),The fact that the Romans went on to create the Roman Catholic Church based on the teaching’s ofJesus and hisApostles lends credibility to the historical Jesus.
But that proves nothing. The bible say that Barabbas was released instead of Jesus but then Barabbas was also called Jesus, so which Jesus was released?
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@Shila
So? Also according to the bible we were created in his image".So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27
Hard to argue with scriptures when they are correctly quoted.
Indeed therefore man, the bible says, was created as good as god... or as poorly designed.
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@Shila
Suffering is just a product of Poor Design.Th3 Bible tells us God found what he created very good.Genesis 1:3 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.
So? Also according to the bible we were created in his image".
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27
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@Shila
Aside the fact that my question was posed to another and you have taken it upon yourself to comment on someone else's behalf. Why do you not answer the question?What is it that you believe you have been enlightened to, if enlightened at all?I have been enlightened to the members on this forum. My opinion of them remain unchanged.
Rather an odd thing to say about members here considering your profile shows you to have been a member for only 4 fkn days.
Shila
A member since August 16, 2022
I think your mask is slipping sunshine. Must try harder.
Enlightenment Definition: The ability to hold opposites, emotional opposites, at the same time is really what we're after.” Enlightenment is profoundly satisfying and transformative, but the mind remains in many respects unchanged.
Is that your own definitions of enlightened ?🤣🤣
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@Shila
Even Jesus’s tomb was empty after he was raised from the dead.Stop being so silly. An empty to tomb is evidence only that a tomb was empty. Absolutely no one witnessed the Christ rise from being physically and biologically dead from the cold slab he was said to have been laid on and walk away from the private burial tomb in a privately owned garden that belong to yet another of Jesus' rich friends.
Jesus had a solution for doubter like you in his resurrection.
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
This proves nothing. It simply means Jesus was alive when and showing off his wounds. It is not proof that a dead three days old rotting and stinking corpse came back to life. In fact if it proves anything, it proves that Jesus didn't die on the cross or anywhere else.
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@Shila
I always thought along those lines, that it simply means that the people rose up ..... but not from being physically dead in their graves.Matthew 27 says the bodies were in graves before they were raise.Even Jesus’s tomb was empty after he was raised from the dead.
Indeed and any outside of Jesus' circle was considered "dead". As in, "let the dead bury the dead"Luke 9:60. So regardless of what anyone may believe, these people that rose en mass from their "graves" simply means that they woke up to the unjustness and the tyranny of 1st century Palestine when the Christ was nailed up..
Even Jesus’s tomb was empty after he was raised from the dead.
Stop being so silly. An empty to tomb is evidence only that a tomb was empty. Absolutely no one witnessed the Christ rise from being physically and biologically dead from the cold slab he was said to have been laid on and walk away from the private burial tomb in a privately owned garden that belong to yet another of Jesus' rich friends.
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@Shila
Incel-chud wrote:Enlightenment is a term used to indicate a type of transcendence of the mental plane over the perceived physical plane of existence known as the demiurge.Stephen asked : -->@Incel-chud wrote:But what have you been enlightened ("red pilled" ) to?Shila wrote:Enlightenment in a pill is closer to wishful thinking.A pill for every human shortcoming is a pharmaceutical dream.
Aside the fact that my question was posed to another and you have taken it upon yourself to comment on someone else's behalf. Why do you not answer the question?
What is it that you believe you have been enlightened to, if enlightened at all?
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@Shila
Can anyone have a stab at this for me.Jesus dies and then this happened52 the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.Matthew 27:52-53What does this actually mean?It simply means Jesus’s death triggered the resurrection of his believers just as Jesus had promised.
I always thought along those lines, that it simply means that the people rose up ..... but not from being physically dead in their graves.
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@Shila
That is why menstruating women were deemed unclean in the Bible. Blood had to be spilled to make an atonement.
So a woman menstruating is deemed unclean but a man shedding blood is a sacrifice? Stop talking complete shite!
Women menstruate blood to discharge monthly buildup.
FFS! A women's menstruation is simply discharging an unfertilised and lining of the uterus.
The whole of the Old Testament, every book, points toward the Great Sacrifice that was to come—that of Jesus’ sacrificial giving of His own life on our behalf.
But he didn't want to die did he? He asked his "father" to be relieved of his burden? And was totally ignored. And it can hardly be a sacrifice if he knew he wasn't going to die, ie that he would be resurrected back to life as a man.
“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.”
A creature being an animal. We are talking a human sacrifice.
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@Shila
The Scriptures tell us what Jesus was armed with just before he was arrested. Jesus was not carrying a sword but a wine cup which he prayed would be taken away from him to help him with his alcoholism.Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
That's correct. He didn't want this burden (cup) of dying or being used as the sacrificial lamb. . It wasn't his "will" to die , he was so frightened of dying that it is said that he suffered hematohidrosis. It wasn't a literal cup.
Tell me, why a blood sacrifice anyway. What is it with god and blood sacrifices?
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"I was taught to hate Salman Rushdie at my Islamic school in the US, 8 miles away from Hadi Matar’s home"
"I attended a private Islamic school inside the US for six years. Salman Rushdie was universally reviled in my classes. One Islamic Studies instructor in particular spoke about him regularly. Rushdie was considered an “apostate” by some since he was born into a Muslim family yet didn’t practice the religion. He was hated by others for suggesting — even in a fictional piece of work — that the Prophet Muhammad’s (peace and blessings be upon him) message wasn’t the absolute, infallible message of a one true God. If you don’t believe that, then you aren’t Muslim, end of discussion: that’s what we were taught. And, according to many rulings from Islamic governments, apostates should be killed.
Hadi Matar is the man that attempted to murder Rushdie Inside Hadi Matar’s Last Days Before the Stabbing Attack on Salman Rushdie (yahoo.com)
How is it that the USA, the land of the free allows this kind of teaching in schools that shouldn't even exist in the western world? We have had these vile Islamic madrassa's here in the UK for many years now and it is common knowledge to everyone but our government that children as young as 5 are beaten senseless into hating the west and the none believer.
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If they were trying to show they were oblivious to why he would be attacked - they’ve done a terrible job. Dont you think?
Yes. That is what I said at #3 above when I wrote:
Stephen wrote: but suddenly they appear to be poorly attempting to distance this attack from the fatwa. Why not just come right out and say it. They are so scared to admit the bleed'n obvious is my guess.
Did you listen those blatant double standards spewing from the mouth of Piers Morgan?
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@Ramshutu
I don’t think anyone appear to be hiding anything in relation to the fatwah or that he’s has a target painted in his back.
I didn't say the media haven't mentioned the fatwa. It is a fact they could hardly leave out.
My point was that it is blatantly obvious why this muslim that wasn't even born at the time the fatwa was decreed decided to assassinate Rushdie. Not to mention the double standards of journalist Piers Morgan shown in both these links
Maher 2022 "So don't call me an Islamophobe"
And now listen to his response to a man that says exactly the same to a guest he had on his own show GB news in the UK
Morgan 2017 "Your sounding like a bigoted Islamophobic lunatic"
Chapter (47) sūrat muḥammad
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them.
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@Ramshutu
They have but suddenly they appear to be poorly attempting to distance this attack from the fatwa. When it is blatently obvious why he carried out this attack.
But don't be surprised if this Muslim attacker also turns out to be "mentally ill". As is the new excuse used by governments and western media for these latest attacks on westerners by Muslim men.
It remains unclear why Rushdie’s attacker, identified by police as Hadi Matar of Fairview, New Jersey, stabbed the author as he prepared to speak at an event Friday in western New York.
Motive for violence at New York event remains unclear, with author in hospital.
New York Times, New York State Police say Rushdie stabber’s motive is unclear
The motive for the attack is, thus far, unclear, but given that Rushdie spent nine years in hiding
Police have not established a motive for the stabbing that left the author,
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As is well known the author of the novel Satanic Verses Salman Rushdie had a Fatwa (price) put on his head back in 1998 for committing the crime of Blasphemy. The western world was outraged then.
Now it appears that the world wide media seem absolutely oblivious why Rushdie would be attacked by a Muslim from New Jersey USA and are still looking for a motive behind the resent attack on the author.
I have to bring up this most recent talk show of Bill Maher.
Listen here to what Maher has to say about Islam and more relevant, listen to what one of his guest Piers Morgan has to say in response to Maher's opening comments.
Maher 2022 "So don't call me an Islamophobe"
And now listen to his response to a man that says exactly the same to a guest he had on his own show GB news in the UK
Morgan 2017 "Your sounding like a bigoted Islamophobic lunatic"
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@zedvictor4
What about the the vagina bits.
They were stitched on after, Vic lad. I thought everyone knew that.
And the propensity for doing the laundry.
Stop being silly. They would have just simply plucked a new leaf from the nearest tree.... and discarded the filthy dead one.
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