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@K_Michael
SCOTUS has ruled that law enforcement has NOT DUTY to save anyone.link the decision.
That's pure speculation. No basis in fact.Chauvin already had 18 complaints on his record before the Floyd case, often for use of excessive force.
Irrelevant and prejudicial
Chauvin's knee was NOT on his neck, ffs! It was on his shoulder. But the left and the MSM made sure you didn't see that fact of reality.Once again, it doesn't matter where his knee was. If you had read the link I had given, you would see that it makes no mention of the police putting weight on the victims neck. If there's too much weight on your torso, your lungs won't work well, especially if you're already suffering from the effects of drugs.
Yes it does matter. The foundation of the prosecutors case was the knee on the neck causing asphyxiation. That's not what happened and the coroner's reports establishes that fact.
No one but Chauvin knows how much "weight" was applied. Floyd wanted to be on the ground. Once on the ground he stopped resisting. Chauvin putting a knee on him was just a defensive posture in case Floyd tried to resist and get up (which is actually when more weight would have been applied).
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-->@TWS1405But the 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl is rather important, inasmuch as the chief medical examiner called this “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances,” saying, “deaths have been certified with levels of 3.”the physiological effects of fentanyl are, just like heroin, extreme euphoria to the point that individuals are barely able to move, let alone walknobody takes a fatal dose of fentanyl and then goes shopping with fake $20 bills
Even you do not know the facts of this case.
Floyd consumed the fatal dose of fentanyl/meth after he tried to pass off the fake $20 while sitting in his car with his drug dealer. He didn't want to get caught with drugs on his person, yet again, so he ate it. He admitted to it when they were trying to arrest him. He was also experiencing respiratory problems before they even pulled him out of the car. His complaining about breathing was heard on the bodycam as the police opened his car door.
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@K_Michael
-->@TWS1405I saw the original video back when it happened.
You only saw what the left and the MSM wanted you to see.
Chauvin (still a hilarious name btw) was clearly being more violent than necessary, and unequivocally should have gotten off of him after he went unconscious, regardless of if it was from the drugs or from his own actions.
That's pure speculation. No basis in fact.
It is a well established fact and part of police training that you should not hold someone down when they are prone (belly-down) for any longer than necessary as it carries greater risks for the person being arrested. There are plenty of other cases where this has led to asphyxiation (here's a recent one).
Remind me again, where did you get your police training and what agency did you work for?
Chauvin's knee was NOT on his neck, ffs! It was on his shoulder. But the left and the MSM made sure you didn't see that fact of reality.
I don't need to listen to your claims about the boot being on his shoulder or other excuses.
Yeah, you do because it is A FUCKING FACT!!! A fact the left and the MSM didn't want ANYONE to see because it would DESTROY their narrative.
The second Floyd stopped breathing Chauvin should have been performing CPR himself, not telling paramedics to stay away. Even if the autopsy report showing that the cause of death was asphyxiation was false, Chauvin failed his sworn duty to protect and serve by not trying to save Floyd.
If Chauvin told EMTs to stay away, that means he had NO KNOWLEDGE Floyd was not breathing. One can breathe quietly without notice to another. It is a fact.
SCOTUS has ruled that law enforcement has NOT DUTY to save anyone. Blows your argument out of the water, clown.
The autopsy showed an enlarged heart, hypertension, and a lethal dose of fentanyl. He did NOT die of asphyxiation, clown.
Grow up and accept the facts. Floyd killed himself.
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@K_Michael
It’s crystal clear you didn’t read a damn thing I’ve recently posted or anything else on point throughout this entire thread. That being said, you keep drinking the kool aide like everyone else who swallowed the lies rammed in your faces about this case and Floyd’s death.
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https://www.debateart.com/profiles/IwantRooseveltagain = ignorant juvenile troll
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What a STUPID thread. Typical from the resident TROLL!!!
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-->@TWS1405Open google and click on news. There is a shit load of them. Which is precisely why very few people (other than lefties like you) trust the news anymore.That’s what I thought. Oh the brain power of a Trump supporter.
Lazy denialist.
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-->@TWS1405Never said I did or did not. Reading comprehension matters.It’s pretty obvious.
No, it is not.
Your fictional interpretation of the world is not fact.
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-->@TWS1405Not all ad hominems are true ad homionems when the observations are factually true.Bull shit. So if someone is ugly you can call them ugly it and isn’t an ad hominem?Did you learn that at your white supremacy meetings?
You should educate yourself more, idiot!
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-->@TWS1405That's exactly what a brainwashed lefty democrat intellectual coward would saySo you object to ad hominems? But this isn’t an ad hominem in your view. Right?
Not all ad hominems are true ad homionems when the observations are factually true.
Thankfully you don’t have kids. That’s a good thing LCpl.
Never said I did or did not. Reading comprehension matters.
Still waiting on those three conspiracy theories put out by the left/MSM
Open google and click on news. There is a shit load of them. Which is precisely why very few people (other than lefties like you) trust the news anymore.
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@SkepticalOne
Boy meets girl, girl is physically smoking hot! Girl thinks boy is incredibly handsome. Both say to themselves after a few dates, "Even if he/she gets fact, ugly, loses all his/her teeth and smells bad...so long as he/she has intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, ingenuity, etc., ... he/she is my soulmate for life!" Sad no one ever!!!It happens all the time. People often commit to each other for "better or worse". It's like you've never seen a wedding vow. I bet you would really scratch your head at a beautiful woman with a not so beautiful man, but, again, this happens all the time. Not everyone is so vain and egotistical that they would dismiss potential partners because they aren't fit for magazine covers. Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (its not an objective measure) and there are other factors that might be more crucial.
It does NOT happen all the time. It's the exception to the rule, if and when it even does happen.
Beauty is objective. Megan Fox (back when she was in the first Transformers movie) standing next to say, Maya Rudolph or Rachel Dratch, any boy/man would drool over Megan Fox and be repulsed by the other two. Ugly men would drool over both. Cause if May or Rachel hit on them, they'd feel special.
The fact that we did not stop degenerates from procreating has led us to the epidemic of the mental health, health care and crime crisis that we have had [...]That is quite the claim. Could it be the frequency of mental health issues has not changed, but awareness is higher? Or perhaps, frequency of health care issues and crime has increased because of unique factors straining all aspects of modern society like, say, a worldwide pandemic? Suffice to say, I question your assumptions and your conclusion.
If you have done half the research and studying (via academics) that I have, you would know that my claim isn't that quite. The pandemic has nothing to do with my claim, because what I said applied directly to times before the pandemic. The pandemic only exacerbated the already existing negative issues referenced.
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IwantRooseveltagain,-->@TWS1405emotionally and intellectually intelligent people on the right.You for example? A former enlisted guy from the Army who lives alone, never married, no children, a racist, white grievance guy?
That's exactly what a brainwashed lefty democrat intellectual coward would say. One ignorant ad hominem after another.
Don't live alone.
Married going on 25 years.
Having or not having children is completely irrelevant.
Not a racist, but you are.
You're a leftist mouthpiece apologist for the left.
You should be excommunicated from this site since you offer nothing but relentless TDS trolling.
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Floyd killed himself. Period. No knee on his neck, shoulder, butt, or anywhere else would have killed him given the FACT that he was ALREADY in respiratory distress before cops arrived on scene. The audio of the bodycam proves that as they approach Floyd's car.
Floyd admitted to consuming too much narcotics too.
Chauvin is a race based political prisoner. Period.
"Fentanyl’s mechanism of action is believed to primarily involve its ability to act as an opioid agonist, which means that the drug readily attaches to neurons in the central nervous system that are specialized for neurotransmitters like enkephalins and endorphins.
These substances are often referred to as endogenous opiates because they have a similar chemical structure to opiate drugs. Because the neurons in the brain that are specialized for these endogenous opiates substances are ready-made for synthetic drugs like fentanyl, these drugs are very efficient at controlling pain, reducing stress, increasing sedation, and lessening anxiety.
They slow down the actions of the neurons in the brain and spinal cord. Because the brain is the control center for nearly every important bodily function, slowing the functioning of the brain also results in slowing the actions of other organs, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, etc., as well as reducing the ability to engage in voluntary actions, such as walking, talking, and even thinking." (emphasis mine)
Fentanyl Overdose Symptoms
The signs and symptoms that occur in individuals who have overdosed on fentanyl can consist of:
- Extreme drowsiness, lethargy, lightheadedness, or dizziness.
- Marked difficulty with balance, difficulty with walking, and decreased motor coordination.
- Complaints of nausea and vomiting.
- Significant mental status changes that often include slurred speech, decreased speed of thought (that can be observed by extremely slow rates of speech), confusion, irrational actions, and/or aggressiveness.
- Pinpoint eye pupils and/or bluish or purplish lips, hands, feet, fingernails, and/or toenails.
- Noticeably slowed or shallow breathing (In some cases, people may stop breathing or produce gurgling noises.).
- A marked reduction in blood pressure and heart rate.
- Becoming unconscious or comatose.
The lethal effects that occur because of fentanyl overdose are most often due to significant respiratory suppression or the complete halting of breathing as a result of the central nervous system depressant effects of the drug.
(NOTE: George Floyd was exhibiting all the above bolded symptoms easily seen in various videos recorded of the incident)
"Some people believe that the stimulant effects of meth and the opioid effects of fentanyl would cancel each other out, creating a strong high without the side effects that can lead to a deadly overdose. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Drugs don’t all have the same effects on every user, and their side effects do not counteract one another as if there is some simple, chemistry equation behind their use. Instead, what winds up happening is the use of two very powerful drugs at once puts an inordinate strain on the user’s body and brain. In addition, many people who are taking meth and fentanyl together do not realize they are doing so. Often, individuals who take meth or cocaine laced with fentanyl have a low tolerance for opioids and are at risk of overdose (NIDA). Essentially, these are two of the most dangerous drugs one could take alone but especially in combination when it comes to overdose."
The effects of fentanyl and methamphetamine on the body and central nervous system are oppositional, so when taken together, one substance can dull the effects of another. When meth is laced with fentanyl, this can cause the meth user to take more doses, increasing the amount of fentanyl in the system and leading to overdose and overdose death.
When the two substances are being taken together intentionally, whichever product is being dulled by the other will result in increasing doses, posing a risk of overdose or at the very least overload in the body, which can have catastrophic results.
In short, combining fentanyl and meth can lead to:
- Dulling the effects of one substance or the other
- Overtaking one substance or the other
- Not experiencing overdose symptoms
- Delayed symptoms of overdose
- Meth Overdose:
- Trouble breathing
- Heart attack
- Stroke
- Chest pain
- Seizures
- High blood pressure
- High body temperature
- Intense hyperactivity or aggression
- Fentanyl Overdose:
- Very small pupils
- Severe respiratory depression
- Cold clammy skin
- Gray, blue, or pale skin
- Blue or purple lips and nails
- Complete stop in breathing
- Loss of consciousness
- Unresponsiveness, even to pain
- Vomiting
- Choking or gurgling sounds
(NOTE: Bolded points Floyd was obviously experiencing as seen in the various videos of the event)
Then there is this:
"Cardiopulmonary arrest is simply when the heart stops beating and lungs stop moving, which other medical examiners The Times reporter spoke with often do not include on their reports, as this happens in all deaths."
It is odd that medical examiners do not note that medical fact since it is an obvious occurrence in ALL manners of death. In other words, it is of absolutely no clinical significance as to the actual "manner of death," since it is an end result "in all deaths."
“1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL”
That’s just the first few words of the “Toxicology” section. Also listed are norfentanyl, 4-ANPP, methamphetamine, cannabinoids, amphetamines, morphine and so on.
But the 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl is rather important, inasmuch as the chief medical examiner called this “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances,” saying, “deaths have been certified with levels of 3.”
Three. But George Floyd went up to 11.
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Tell us more about how to stop ugly people reproducing and how mentally sane you are for wanting eugenics.
That's exactly what an intellectual coward denialist ignoramus would say!!
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Good god! I do not know who is worse, this clown defending humping animals or Best.Korea defending pedophilia.
Both are very mentally disturbed and should seek professional help. Anyone who defensed those inhumane things should.
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IwantRooseveltagain,-->@Public-ChoiceThis is hardly a profile of any type of voter, let alone a "typical Trump supporter."Anyone who is easily persuaded to believe conspiracy theories is a typical Trump supporter
And yet that is EXACTLY what you have done buying into all the "conspiracy theories" put out there by the left and the MSM! #HYPOCRITE
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@Novice_II
-->@TWS1405Yeah, he is an idiot sadly.
That is a HUGE understatement!!!
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@SkepticalOne
-->@TWS1405OP associates humans value with attractiveness. I think this overlooks a few things. What of intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, ingenuity, etc? I mean, if beauty is the only standard, then humanity is going to be worse off in the long run...also, eugenics is fucked-up elitist thinking.
Physical "attractiveness" has ZERO to do with intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, etc. etc. etc.
Physical "attractiveness" is what FIRST lures us to another person...all else comes after the fact.
Boy meets girl, girl is physically smoking hot! Girl thinks boy is incredibly handsome. Both say to themselves after a few dates, "Even if he/she gets fact, ugly, loses all his/her teeth and smells bad...so long as he/she has intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, ingenuity, etc., ... he/she is my soulmate for life!" Sad no one ever!!!
The fact that we did not stop degenerates from procreating has led us to the epidemic of the mental health, health care and crime crisis that we have had and continue to have that has only gotten worse since the psych hospitals were forced to shut down.
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@Novice_II
What is the argument for the proposition "MAGA Republicans are today’s slave holders"?
- I am not seeing where you lay out an argument for this.
He never lays out an argument for anything. He just bitches, whines and moans like a little all liberals on the left do.
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IwantRooseveltagain,-->@SirAnonymousI could be mistaken, but I don't think the typical Trump supporter is a nudist, which this guy is.Yes, you’re mistaken. The attacker was NOT in his underwear. Stop reading and believing sources for stupid people.
Says the MSM wet dream of a consumer of the media's lies and purposeful misinformation in order to misdirect and divide the idiots like you on the left and the emotionally and intellectually intelligent people on the right.
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@PREZ-HILTON
We are there to uphold the lawsAccording to some legal experts such as Harvey Silverstein argue we all commit about 3 felonies a day.Are police really there to uphold all the laws?Or do they pick and choose what laws to withhold.Any cop that enforces laws is behaving unethically by the way. You should behave in an ethical manner no matter what the law says. If the law says it is illegal to pass by a baby without raping it, you shouldn't"Derp I am an unthinking bot here to enforce law and that man is under arrest for not raping a baby"Instead of just blindly obeying government primarily ran by liberals, you should instead of enforcing laws, look to behave in the public interest.
Three felonies a day? Yeah, right. What a bunch of baloney. Those federal laws he speaks of have to do with CFRs written before the age of the World Wide Web, and the feds misinterpret and misapply those antiquated laws to current digital media usage. It has nothing to do with normal daily living.
Law enforcement officers are empowered with discretion. So yeah, they can pick and choose some laws not to uphold while mandates to uphold others. That’s why when you get pulled over, the officer can give you a warning rather than cite you or even arrest you if warranted by the law violated.
Your claim of being charged with enforcing law and order as = to being unethical is pure ignorance on your part.
The raping the baby analogy is not only off the charts ridiculous, it’s also a completely piss poor analogy with zero meaning or relevance to the context of this debate/discussion.
The rest of your drivel is equally ignorant and demonstrates the Dunning Kruger Effect to the proverbial “T”!!
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@Bones
Those are all the exact leftist talking points and faux sources the professional(s) in Candace’s documentary debunked.
See, had you taken the 15-20 min that it took to write that superfluous unsubstantiated crap and watched the part of the video I directed you to, you would have realized the futility in posting that garbage.
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@Bones
Yes. And you’re still in denial. Ignorant. Pathetic. Lazy ass denial.
You all who come back with no intelligent rebuttal on point are.
Floyd killed himself. Chauvin did nothing wrong. Everyone involved is a liar and you’re drinking their koolaid.
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@SkepticalOne
Wrong, Dorothy. You’re merely buying hook li r and sinker what the Wizard behind the curtain is selling you. None of the lies you stated matter. Hence the truths uncovered by Candace in the documentary. The city officials lied. The BS so-called experts lied. The jury lied (just like the OJ jury did). BLM lied. The media lied. Everyone lied. You’re trusting your lying eyes. Period. Fact. Period.
I’ve already laid out the true facts in my thread. You, Bones, Public Choice, et al are all in tucking denial and know it. Which is why you can’t prove my position incorrect and defer to faux appeals to authority.
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@PREZ-HILTON
-->@TWS1405Aren't you like a former cop who arrested a lot of black men?Do you find it hypocritical that you are saying the source of black criminality is lack of a father figure while you have locked up several black father's?You pin the responsibility on black Americans, but are you willing to accept some blame yourself?
Yes, but nope.
Federal, drug enforcement before juvenile investigations.
Black and Hispanic juveniles I dealt with more than whites, and same for the drugs. Not my fault or problem.
I do not pin the responsibility "on black Americans," and their criminality is NOT my fault. It's NO ONE'S fault in law enforcement. We are there to uphold the laws they break, and cops only go where the crime IS, not where it is NOT!
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Yet another whiny conspiracy theory thread from you know who (JarHead)!!
Running out of tinfoil are ya!?!
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The young mom killed was 14, about to turn 15 next week. Sadly she was a new mom at 14 years old!!! 14!!! Clearly one of those black girls adding to the 72%+ out of wedlock birth rates among black Americans.
AND of course she was killed by other blacks who stupidly stole a car and killed here.
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@SkepticalOne
Wrong. The knee was on his shoulder. You were mislead to believe it was on the neck.
And whether or not Floyd was arrested is irrelevant given the fact he consumed a lethal dose of fentanyl; he was dead man walking.
Chauvin didn’t contribute to anything other than assisting in an arrest of a drug addicted criminal.
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@Shila
You clearly don’t comprehend the slang phrase “the man.” As in, working for the man. 🤦♂️ Doesn’t surprise me, bot/troll. It’s expected from the likes of you.
Bye Felicia!
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@Public-Choice
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@Bones
The argument has already been given and substantiated more than once.
The fact that you have the energy to continue to reply with such banality, avoiding those well-grounded arguments, is telling.
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@Bones
If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”
That’s pure bullshit.
A six year old does not have the requisite knowledge and comprehension skills to understand medically scientific terminology let alone SOP of law enforcement.
You’re just a denialist. And a lazy one at that. It’s clear you never had any intent or interest to engage in a legit discussion here. Your sophomoric banality is duly noted.
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@Shila
I wasn't forced to retire. I chose to retire. Living for me and my wife is better than dying for "the man."
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@Public-Choice
@TWS1405Can’t disprove my position so you go for the ignorant personal attack.Takes one to know one.
Sophomoric "I know you are, but what am I" retort = hypocrisy.
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@Public-Choice
You’re the clown projecting. Can’t disprove my position so you go for the ignorant personal attack.
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@Public-Choice
I did nothing of the sort. Clown.
Your delusions of grandeur knows no bounds.
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I am not the first to discuss this case and that sham organization, as Candace Owens has been all over it. Her NEW documentary, "The Greatest LIE ever sold: George Floyd and the Rise of BLM."
The truth, which the media and democrats have fought hard to hide is that George Floyd killed himself with a lethal dose of fentanyl & meth, that Derrick Chauvin's knee was on his shoulder and NOT on his neck; and all the money made by BLM was spent in one of two ways: (1) to Patrice Cullors and her cronies' buying mansions in white neighborhoods, and (2) to gender ideology organizations. All of which Candace covers in her documentary. Bottom line, not a single penny actually went to a black business, black organization, black school, or even a black neighborhood. Not a cent.
Everyone knows the inherent imminent danger that fentanyl poses, it's not rocket science. And the toxicology report of George Floyd proves beyond any doubt that he died of an overdose and not any knee on a shoulder or the spuriously claimed neck.
The initial coroner's report even substantiates the toxicology report whereas any trauma to the neck is concerned, which there was absolutely none. None whatsoever. George Floyd had hypertension, an enlarged heart, and was grossly overdosed with fentanyl.
Police departments, cities, etc. always "settle" with families in racially charged cases due to the racial nature of the case. Why? Because of the black assailant, perp, suspect, violent offender, whoever is found at fault and the city, cops, or whomever was not...then there will be violent unrest and rioting, pillaging, burning and killing by black folk. That's just a fact of life in this country because blacks are not being held accountable for their actions.
DRAFT SO FAR...
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@Shila
Sorry to hear you were forced to retire because of poor health. You mentioned Atrial Fibrillation and high blood pressure (cardiovascular conditions).But spending your time venting out and throwing insults at your own reflection or projecting onto others what you hate about yourself is a mental issue that you also suffer from.
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@Shila
TWS’s profile tells us he was forced to retire at 45. It is possible his professional psychologist found him unfit to work. So he spends his time venting out and throwing insults at his own reflection or projecting onto others what he hates about himself.
Atrial Fibrillation and high blood pressure (cardiovascular conditions) =/= psychological issues. And you're one to talk about psychological projection. It's your forte.
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@Bones
> @TWS1405I'll repeat what I saidinstead of linking us to a paid hour long documentary, why don't you make the argument and source it for us, because presumably you think there is some scientific indication that George died from drugs.On top of the fact that I am not willing to watch an hour long documentary, I think that if you explain it to me, it will show that you actually understand what you are saying, as opposed to merely spewing an ideology.
And I’ll repeat what I said: it’s not a documentary, it’s a review of bits and parts of the two hour documentary by a black pastor.
I simply cannot articulate and give justice to either what the black pastor says, or what the unbiased professional says regarding the cause of death of Floyd. Which is why I told you where you can scan ahead to and watch and listen to an actual expert.
Your refusal to even watch that 10 min (or so) segment speaks volumes about your denialism, but more so your laziness.
You saidThe medical examiner’s report proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Floyd’s killed himself.which shows me that you respect the medicinal and scientific community, which leads me to wonder why you believe this particular medical examiners report, but not the countless ones which counter what you are saying.
for the same reasons I don’t believe any so-called medical professionals who push the trans agenda upon children; the same reasons I don’t believe Fauci and his minions regarding CV19 and the safety of the death jabs; in other words, when money is involved or a political agenda, as in this case, I don’t believe liars who claim to be experts testifying in clear contradiction to well established medical evidence regarding fentanyl and their lying eyes on where the knee was actually placed.
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@Shila
The pastor had plenty to say, you jsut didn’t listen. No surprise.
Bye, bot.
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@Shila
No it didn’t. No more than it did on the Oj trial(s).
Until you watch the linked you tube video giving unbiased feedback by a black pastor regarding the fact based truths Candace Owens uncovered, I won’t respond to you any further. You’re nothing but a broken record and I simply won’t beat that dead horse…never again.
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@Shila
Skin tone of the jury pool doesn’t prove 💩!
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