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@b9_ntt
What I would like is to not die.
That doesn’t sound like someone that’s come to terms with there mortality.
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@b9_ntt
Of course you won't be disappointed because you will be dead.
That’s not the point, you can be disappointed while you’re still alive. Regardless of whether or not you believe there’s a heaven, wouldn’t you like for there to one?
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@b9_ntt
Forever is not part of my world.
I acknowledged that already, happiness not lasting forever is sad.
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@b9_ntt
Eating, sleeping, sex, beholding the stars & the ocean & the mountains, art, learning, loving. So many things.
But none of those things can be enjoyed forever (at least from your perspective) does believing that make you sad? Does that sadness overwhelm the joy?
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@b9_ntt
I want to live because I enjoy it.
You’re begging the question, what about life is enjoyable?
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@b9_ntt
I don't buy it.
You say that yet you still haven’t mentioned your motivation.
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@b9_ntt
so where are you going with this?
The ultimate motivation to live is the belief in a higher power.
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@b9_ntt
The small number who suicide are defective in some way.
What about suicide is defective? All they’re doing is speeding up the inevitable.
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@b9_ntt
Besides, as a living being, trying to stay alive is built in. It's natural.
Says who? The many people who’ve already committed suicide?
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@b9_ntt
Because I want to live.
Live for what though? Where’s the motivation?
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@b9_ntt
Then I don't have to constantly worry that someone might kill or rob me for starters.
Why is that exactly a worry for you though? Especially under your belief that none of those things last forever anyway.
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@b9_ntt
It fits my personality of live and let live.
How is that when you have a preference for how others live? Abiding by the law that is?
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@b9_ntt
Yes, I do. Don't you?
Yes but I’m curious to know your reasons why?
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@b9_ntt
I assume that most people prefer others to be law abiding, that laws to be applied equally, that they are free to go about their business without too much interference, and so on.
Do you prefer that?
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@b9_ntt
Societies work better when not killing, not stealing, and not raping is customary or the law.
Who said societies have to “work” anyway? What authority do you have to make that assertion?
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@Reece101
Truth is limited by the veracity of data.
But data must be objective.
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@Reece101
If you want to talk about science
Is truth limited to just science?
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@Reece101
And when it comes down to it, we need to assume axioms to get to a conclusion in the first place.
Do we? Can’t we just look at the empirical evidence?
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@Reece101
An unbiased conclusion derived from fact(s), however limited those facts are.
The facts can’t be that limited if it’s enough to form an unbiased conclusion.
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@Reece101
Objectivity doesn’t necessarily entail absolute truth, even though some treat it as such.
Then what makes something objective?
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@Melcharaz
understandings is plural, it could be full understanding, part understanding or misunderstanding. or nonunderstanding.
I don’t understand that lol
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@Reece101
We are all subject to our biological, cognitive, technological capabilities.
And objectivity is subject to factual evidence, are you implying that truth’s subjective?
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@Melcharaz
However, we have the freedom to say and live "nope" or "thats wrong" according to our understandings.
But is it understanding? Or is it misunderstanding?
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@Reece101
Our understanding of subjectivity comes from our nature, and we don’t choose our nature, but we do choose to be moral people.
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@Reece101
I’m not going to copy and paste the Google definition for you. You can look it up yourself.
Well last time I looked it up myself you told me I read it wrong, so I’m curious to know what you’re reading.
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@Reece101
You’re reading the dictionary wrong.
Google the definition of objective and tell me what you see.
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@Reece101
Morality cannot be objective, let alone totally objective.
Well according to the dictionary, it can.
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@Reece101
Yes it is if you’re talking within the context of morality.
Objective is synonymous with just.
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@Reece101
Because law itself isn’t based on how one feels.
Neither is justice.
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@Reece101
Justice is only objective within law.
Why?
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@Reece101
Moral values are not objective
Being just is objective, and that’s defined as based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
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@Athias
It often elides the accomplishments of other all-time greats like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russel, Magic Johnson, etc.
LeBron accomplished more than Magic.
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@Vader
My super bowl prediction is Bengals and Niners
Hate to disappoint my guy.
I did not think they would fold to the New Jersey Giants
They’re the New York Giants FYI.
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@amandragon01
Then how do you explain why Google listed just as a synonym for objective?
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@amandragon01
But you can believe in facts, no?
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@amandragon01
😔 When I said Google is free, I said that with the expectation that you wouldn’t just take my word at face value, under the definition of objective look up synonyms.
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@amandragon01
How can you show objective morality?
Semantically speaking morality is objective, because objective is synonymous with just which is by definition based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair. Google is free my guy 😉
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@Best.Korea
As long as you dont have proof for your version, whatever story you make up doesnt make it any better.
So how about this for proof, the fact that nihilism doesn’t make any sense proves the afterlife is real.
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@Best.Korea
No, but as long as your version is equally unlikely as mine, I am happy.
Do you have the capacity to adequately articulate and comprehend your “version”? If not the comparison isn’t equal in the slightest.
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@Best.Korea
Do you have proof for your version of afterlife?
No, do you have proof for your idea of morality?
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@Best.Korea
Do you have proof for your version of afterlife?
You asked me that already in post #31.
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@Best.Korea
If you can base your morality on a made up after life
Why do you think the afterlife is made up?
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@Best.Korea
Same way someone finds eternal happiness in murdering someone.
Did you not read post #43?
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@Best.Korea
Again, "eternal bliss = good" is your opinion.
No it’s a fact, bliss is synonymous with happiness and when you Google the definition of happy good is among the synonyms, there’s nothing opinionated about semantics.
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@Best.Korea
So if someone has value "murder = good", then murder is objectively good by your standards.
No, because sole murder doesn’t lead to (what I referenced before) eternal bliss.
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@Best.Korea
If the value is in your brain, it is not objective.
Not according to Google’s definition of the word
Objective- (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
In order to consider and represent facts, one must use there brain.
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@Best.Korea
"Eternal bliss = good" is the value located in your brain.
What’s your point?
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@Best.Korea
If you cannot demonstrate objective morality with an example, then there is no reason to believe it exists.
Somebody that lives a life that leads to eternal bliss is an example of objective morality.
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@Best.Korea
Go ahead then and demonstrate objective morality.
That’s done in the afterlife.
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@Best.Korea
Morality is a matter of an opinion.
Then how does one have the capacity to adequately articulate and comprehend it? It’s through OBJECTIVE demonstration.
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