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@Greyparrot
lets just say your town play is off, and leave it at that.
That's how I play, anyone can tell you I play this way, but okay
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@RationalMadman
That2 please answer what I asked; explain the link between your themed theory and your game role.
Basically it's someone thinking, '6 million? That's too much man!' = Vanilla
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@Greyparrot
no, it's something else, but it doesn't matter if I am the only one.
It does, every reason matters even if you're the only one
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@ILikePie5
I agree. I’m heavily considering Supa. He hasn’t been this tunnelish. It could just be rust. I agree that RM’s role is sus, but his behavior has been towny. I will take a look at some other games.
You mean tunnelish with wf? I see what you mean, supa's been...off behaviorally, gp/wf is a potential mafia bandwagon but wf is town in my eyes, odds weigh in supa being mafia by poe
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@ILikePie5
So as of now it’s a 3/4 - Supa hypothetically.
Holding off now, would you hammer? VTNLing is also viable
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@Greyparrot
I don't think RM is going to gain much on DP1 since it's highly likely scum will claim vanilla or just not claim at all
Is this why you sus me?
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@ILikePie5
It’s also hilarious that RM calls out Supa for tunneling when he’s been doing that to me all game.
Do you know why RM's so adamant on you?
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@RationalMadman
today the vote will be pie or whiteflame please. Supa is town for me.
To lynch? You said wf is town unless with Pie in #258
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@ILikePie5
If you could vote one person right now, who would it be.
Based on P0E, Supa
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@ILikePie5
Assuming this game is role madness and therefore That2 is scum, do you think RM would be scum or town with his role?
The vanilla and the vanillaizer, do you believe I'm scum?
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RM and Pie have been directing a lot of the discussion in this DP and there's been very little cohesiveness behind any mode of action here.
It's possible RM and Pie = mafia team with their constant fight dominating this whole DP, I haven't seen Pie disengage and them being opposed in the opening makes RM look like anti-town town and Pie as town if you side with Pie, misting all of town to think both = town, though it is most likely at least one if not both = town given their mutual dedication to activity, especially RM, I fear this possibility tho
As far as I'm concerned, this comes down to behaviors
We need to deeply look into behaviors, in the most likely case mafia is sitting back benefitting by the RM vs. Pie conflict and flying undetected, I feel you town
If I believe you and me to be town with RM and Pie this leaves Supa, GP, and Earth by P0E, and I highly doubt GP and Earth will be on the same mafia team
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RM: Heavily focused on finding theme splits, antagonizing wf who he thinks is town to claim, believes Pie is scum, wants us to be active
Pie: Communicates heavily with RM saying RM is anti-town with tunneling him/hyper-focusing on theme split "Let's scum hunt RM", vote based on behavior
Supa: Thinks wf is sus
wf: Thinks Supa is sus
GP: Thinks Supa/That2 is scum team
Earth: ???
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I think RM's dichotomy here between me and Pie doesn't make sense
All of this DP doesn't make sense, RM is all in on theme splits with Pie being scum while Pie is convinced that RM is anti-town town, with Pie saying to RM to stop tunneling and scum hunt-did Pie say how to scum hunt? All I've seen is the vote to scum hunt based on behavior but I haven't seen anything beyond this
As far as I'm concerned, this comes down to behaviors
What behavior? You noted RM being erratic, Supa being noncommittal and isolating what you say to sus you, what else have you noticed?
(e.g. his going from pointing out that I'm behaviorally consistent with town to arguing that I'm a prime suspect who needs to full claim this DP)
Yeah this makes 0 sense, saying you town in #258 then wanting you to claim, looks like RM really wants this theme split to be known
We shouldn't be basing any decisions at this point on theme splits.If you really feel it's necessary to out one of us, then put us at L-1.
I don't like this, you don't think it's a good idea, yet you pushing to be L-1d? What do you want to do to avoid this outcome we shouldn't be doing? Why L-1? Why not L-2?
I don’t think we will find the theme split this early, regardless of how many of us claim. Chances are, we won’t figure out the theme split at all until we lynch scum. Focusing so much on theme analysis has led us astray far more often than it has helped us, especially if scum has fake claims available to them.
Who do you think is scum besides Supa?
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@whiteflame
- He has made a habit of posting reads with a demonstrable lack of commitment to them (e.g. “this can change”, “I may be overreacting”) as though he is giving himself an out to discard them and hop on a wagon later.
- His basis for sussing me was on an isolated post, ignoring the context of other posts I’d made.
- He claimed that his pressure led me to expand on my reasoning (I didn’t) when he didn’t put any pressure on me (no VTL), which led him to suss me further.
- When I later provided much more expansive reasoning to give my reads, he not only didn’t suss me further for providing that expansion, he reverted to a null read on me.
The isolation and lack of follow up in pressure makes you sus of Supa? I need to see what you said at this point
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@Greyparrot
What is your conspiracy?
Holocaust denialism
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@whiteflame
the hedging I'm seeing in multiple posts from Supa where he gives himself easy outs from sussing me (most recently ending one of his posts with "But this could certainly change"... as though that's something we didn't already know), claims that my initial response to him where I didn't actually expand on any of my reasoning "was pressured" by what he said without a VTL, and then responds to my reads where I did expand on my thoughts as being "more null now" all stand out to me as odd behaviors for town.
Wdym by all of this? Genuinely in confusion
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Ok, so what do you think about Earth’s reaction. Also, why haven’t you asked RM directly why Earth is not over Supa on his list
Earth's reaction is pretty flippant/dismissive, loling RM at him being with 50% of players, isn't defensive in my eyes but does he need to be? RM made the claim without explaining his reasoning, Idk what to make of the reaction
Wdym by Earth and Supa? I saw Earth and Supa paired, you mean why does RM think Earth is less sus than Supa?
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@ILikePie5
Does your character have anything to do with Islam?
Nein
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@RationalMadman
@whiteflame
@Mharman
As for the vote on Earth... That2's reasoning is entirely derived from a post that RM made about plausible scum pairs that never got much in the way of explanation. It's unclear from That2's post why she buys into that list, and especially as she questions the basis for having Earth on so many possible scum teams, it's weird that she decided to put a vote down over it.
I admit it's shaky, it's mostly a feeling that Earth is mafia teamed with someone, tho I do want an explanation why RM paired Earth with so many, wanted to see how Earth would react to being voted
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@Earth
@RationalMadman
@Mharman
Supa Earth is viable teamGP Esrth viable teamPie and abyone except That2, viable teamThat2 only scum with whiteflame or earthGP is probably only scum with either supa or earth
Earth is viable mafia team with 4, (Supa, GP, Pie, That2), mathematically Earth is the most likely mafia, why is Earth the most likely? Based on interactions?
VTL Earth
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@RationalMadman
Yes, all vanilla claim please.
I am vanilla
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@Vader
. I also will pivot too the fact it is extremely hard to read WF behaviorally
It always is and Idefk why, wdym by a bit overly passive? What indicates this?
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@Greyparrot
Cause you're voting for a claim. Pie just threw out a sheep vote.
I'm the sheep vote, I only voted Earth on Pie's reasoning, seems to imply a vtl to claim without vtling
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@ILikePie5
What are your reads?
RM: Null, pushing PR claims is a questionable move, RM is everywhere in what he's saying, Idk what place he lands in, RM vs. Pie makes me read null, it achieves nothing in my eyes except the willingness to die, being self-sacrificial is towny in my eyes unless it's reverse psychology
Pie: RM vs. Pie leaves Pie null, so much time is put to this fight that no one is looking good, I do like the vote on Earth to claim though I don't think full claim is needed, I like that he's asking reads and playing like an active town with the claim list
RM Vs. Pie: This is most likely town vs. town, less likely mafia vs. mafia to bus the 2nd mafia, I highly doubt this is genuinely town vs. mafia, if it is then Idk
Grey:Why is Pie voting Earth sus? Is it because of the full claim thing? RM won't vote him DPI too, hopefully it's town defending town, null
wf: Nothing to indicate wf is scum, nothing to indicate wf is town, null
Supa: Is against outing PR, makes sense, says Pie is aggro, makes sense, indicates wf being passive, makes sense, why does Supa have a slight scum read on wf tho? null
Earth: Needs to claim wing, null, someone says Earth plays weird, it's true
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@RationalMadman
Supadudz defending you hard and leaping at me for the stupidest reasons is actually what he does as scum if he isn't doing pure lurker mode. He never tries to towntell as scum ever and doesn't care how hard he's scumtelling.
You have evidence of this?
It is a direct lie that you, Pie, always hard-play day 1 early on. You tend to go much harsher either as DP's end or when information is revealed that makes you hard-read something.
When hasn't Pie been aggro DPI? That's his M0, in what I've seen
He is compensating harder than if whiteflame or that2 is his partner. They are known to have atr9nger endgames/mindgames.
Ik wf is known in endgames/mindgames but me? I didn't know I was known in anything
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@Greyparrot
thats quite a sussy vote on earth
Why is Pie's vote sussy and not mine?
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@RationalMadman
It is also important we make sure there are no vanillas.
Do you want vanillas to claim?
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@ILikePie5
Play normally and pressure people based on behavior.
Pressure, I'm right wing
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@MisterChris
I am Vanilla, GP's town flip convinces you're his town mirror
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@MisterChris
I know you 1000% believe I'm mafia and I get why, but I'm not, mafia will absolutely capitalize on my lynch if you put me up
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I absolutely fucked up hammering GP, that puts us at MYLO/LYLO, I didn't think my vote would do it
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GP won't be a weapon if MYLO/LYLO then, we don't need to policy lynch hated in this game
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@PREZ-HILTON
Danielle might be scum trying to derail a whiteflame lynch
Powerful af mafia team, I fear this possibility
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@PREZ-HILTON
We can get a whiteflame
Why you so adamant on wf?
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@Danielle
Has anyone thought about if it's worth it to lynch GP even if he really is hated townie so it doesn't hurt us later on?
Mechanically this makes sense, if we get to MYLO then mafia can easily vote GP, if GP is scum then it's a win, let's vote GP
VTL Greyparrot
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@Danielle
I'm curious who that2user is gonna claim. Does anyone remember if s/he character claimed?
I am the Jacksonville Jaguars
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@SirAnonymous
MC isn't entirely lynchproof, MC can get lynched in MYLO/LYLOWhen did Mharman or Chris say that?
DP2 #216
Anyway, I am the San Francisco 49ers and I am Lynchproof (except in MYLO/LYLO situations).
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@Danielle
Then there's zero reason for you to not hammer him right now.
MC was hammered by badger in #34
5/5 vote count in #37
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Why tf did Earth get lynched last DP? Last I saw was MC leading the lynch on Earth like he lead the Oro lynch, but I was away-too late to stop the lynch, why so much certainty that Earth was mafia instead of VTNLing like I did?
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@whiteflame
have a hard time believing that Mharman and Luna would include a fully lynchproof mafia in this game.
MC isn't entirely lynchproof, MC can get lynched in MYLO/LYLO
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The no NK makes semi sense, since a NK will place DP3 in MYLO/LYLO, activating MC to be lynched, if MC is mafia then mafia is 1 down
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