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@3RU7AL
he who makes the rules can change the rules. Until profit is taken out of "public service" this is the way it will be. Can you blame a lawyer for finding a loophole in a law? Same thing for businesses, rich people etc.
would you prefer to participate in a sport where everyone played by the same rules and all participants had a realistic chance of "winning"?
If someone with no legs wants to race you, should your legs be cut off?
Do you have a realistic chance of winning against any pro athlete? Why would you think you could win against a pro business person?
Some people are better at x than other people, it's impossible and immoral to try and make them equal.
as far as rules go I see them much like standards generally speaking, should they be lowered like the soft bigotry of low expectations?
I'm not so sure it's the rules that are the problem but rather the loop holes and those not held to those rules, the exceptions. Anyway I think it all starts and is the fault of the people who become multi millionaires "serving the public"
Term lengths should have been a thing long, long ago.
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@SirAnonymous
I'm not saying either one is a wonderful choice and it is pick your poison. Nope you don't have to vote for either, but one of them will win. Biden has been accused and according to his V.P. pick they should be believed. Then there's all the child sniffing etc. Point is we are in an age of picking the lesser evil, that will not change, ever.
according to the data, the annual number of abortions isn't really affected by the president.
then they aren't really pro life and their 'faith/religious conviction' is greatly questioned. If you belong and believe in a church and they preach past and present that abortion is murder then either follow along or leave and find one who fits YOUR beliefs. Classic saints on Sunday and wilful sinners the rest of the days.
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@SirAnonymous
I can't support someone who's been accused of sexual assault by dozens of women or who boasts on a live camera about groping women.
the reality is you have a choice of that or voting for late term abortions, one of the most "progressive" candidates for abortions, pick your poison. which is worse in your mind?
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@Greyparrot
farmers really "lay it down" in their fields, same comparison imo
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@Greyparrot
@MisterChris
it's a shame Biden couldn't find a trans black kid, he could have let (pronoun) rub his leg hair for some glam shots.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
let me sum up all the speeches, blah blah blah blah pander pander pander, orange man bad. y.w.
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@Greyparrot
Every Democrat is a potential American. You should still have hope for them.
DAAAYYYYYUMMMM, can I get that on a tee shirt?
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they are in full pander mode, but it could work, pandering has been profitable for a very long time, hard to say if people can think for themselves, hopefully, but they might be scared of not being black anymore as Biden said.
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@Trent0405
how do you differentiate a system from individual's actions?
what IS systemic racism exactly?
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@Greyparrot
let's not forget that black cop David Dorn, see far more non black people wearing tee shirts with his face on it, talking about him (and the others) than any blm fanboy. Selective blindness won't let you see the irony in that.
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@Greyparrot
it's like this on going bad joke when you look at the black on black crime stats, kids killed in Chicago on any given weekend etc
black lives matter more to non blacks it sure seems.
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@Dr.Franklin
the more you depend on the government, the more you will be disappointed.
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@Username
title of the tread? I mean I'm not going to go over it all when a search will give you all the info you need,
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@Dr.Franklin
did people make a big deal about something solely based on how much melanin you have? I mean that is pretty impressive that a woman, a half black one at that was selected for vice president, I mean who could have fathomed that would ever happen. Luckily she had the 2 most important qualifications, right gender and right color, congrazt.
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@Death23
I used "we" generically for those of us who did, if you said you didn't I believe you, no proof is required.
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@Death23
@Username
seemed rather obvious to me, we rushed to judgement to apparently be proven wrong again. Any grievance in this instance is overblown if existent at all.
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@Greyparrot
What does this have to do with the DNA of a persons melanin?
you get certain things like your own magazine, tv channels, college entry/money, jobs etc so it would stand to reason (to them) that it also translates to being able to break the law, resist arrest and have an innocent picture post of them with a free for all funerals. dindu.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
How & Why Gun Control is Racist
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@Greyparrot
that like the shotgun the guy had in Predators, pretty badass
there was a .410 semi auto, forgot how many it held, but loaded with slugs, wow, the ballistics on a .410 slug at close-ish range is impressive.
12g slugs go through doors and all sorts of shit a .223 won't.
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@n8nrgmi
what is your response to the argument that assault rifles are no different than other rifles, and so there's no need to ban them?
there's no such thing as a civilian "assault rifle" so there's that, if you have some kind of specific that would be helpful, until then look up a couple of the very old and popular hunting rounds 30-06, 7mm, .308, that will get you started on the path of enlightenment and knowledge. check out some ballistic tests too if you don't think they will give you bad dreams.
still laugh at the guy shooting the ar-15 which hurt his shoulder and gave him some ptsd, then the little girl who shoots one, smiles at the camera and says it was fun, don't be one of those "guys".
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@thett3
Fair enough. It's sad that we argue about these things that are barely statistically significant instead of going after what we can change easily and with far more positive outcomes
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@ILikePie5
Dam YouTube video , but at least 20 Americans didn't die, win win
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@fauxlaw
He's made his family and himself very wealthy, does that count as an accomplished because that's all I can think of.
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@ILikePie5
They begin with side-by-side pages listing “Engagement Taxonomy” and “Abdication Taxonomy.” In the former, judges: focus on the facts, seek the truth, and remain impartial. In the latter, judges fudge the facts, feign ignorance, disparage people’s rights, assist the government, defer to “democracy,” and engage in “inkblotting” (i.e., ignoring parts of the Constitution that big government advocates find inconvenient).
Government may restrict freedom, but it cannot restrict rights.
In exercising freedom, one may do whatever one wishes, as long as those actions do not interfere with the rights of another.
In exercising freedom, one may do whatever one wishes, as long as those actions do not interfere with the rights of another.
just because the right is not absolute doesn't mean the government can infringe on it without meeting criteria and of course the supreme court. What's happened and if people like HB could have their way they would put the onus on the citizens to show why they need their right rather than putting the burden of proof where it rightly belongs.
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@fauxlaw
I'm going to stick my fingers in my ears and yell lalalalalalala Trump is bad so vote Biden, there you've been rebutted.
All one has to do is think what a Biden economy would look like. I mean sure some of the poor (you know he meant black) kids are just as smart as white kids but I don't see how the poor wouldn't be worse off under Biden. Come on man, you know, sheesh.
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@HistoryBuff
One where it is acknowledged that it is perfectly normal for the government to put limits on what weapons should be available.
and they certainly could if it wasn't for that pesky constitution forcing the government to recognize unalienable individual rights. You should really study up on that so you understand it, same goes for free speech.
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@thett3
It's a military rifle with the automatic capability removed so there's definitely some argument to regulate these
what would be one argument? how it looks? the caliber? what is it?
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@bmdrocks21
he's off his meds again or really bored, same old questions expecting different answers, you know what that sounds like.
Hmmm... explosive weapon vs firearm. Totally the same thing, amirite?
when you have use self defense from a great distance, or take down a whole building, vehicle or crowd.
though not having machine guns is dumb, even though you can with a permit, if you can find and afford one.
a lot of local groups have been taking members away from the NRA for a while now, which when you think about the lack of ads etc as of late, makes sense.
what's really sad (I'm being serious) after all the threads, links and posts he's seemed to have learned very little (I was going to say nothing but I'm feeling charitable)
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@Stephen
with commentary
sure doesn't look like it, now I have my doubts about the upcoming trials.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
with commentary
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@Christen
Has the police body cam footage changed your mind?
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@HistoryBuff
Like saying that vaccines cause autism, which they obviously don't.
well that's interesting because many who claim that believe it, no malicious intent, but you'd punish and or silence them for potentially being wrong? I'm not 100% that there is some extremely small chance vaccines could cause autism or something like autism. Since we don't really know what causes autism (afaik) what makes anyone think we can rule out vaccines?
All we are talking about is changing which things we censor.
right the old slippery slope, that which is legal is specific. What you would expand what is obscene and false is arbitrary.
im saying that people spreading information that is demonstrably false should not be protected.
so like the narrative that cops murder blacks at some false rate which statistics show that's not true?
white privilege is proven demonstrably false, the poorest people live in Kentucky and are white.
a medication that cures a disease will prove itself true or false, the vaccine claim I don't believe can be proven false for the reasons above.
you also (generally speaking) have to prove harm, libel and defamation are prime examples of that. If I say or write something about you that's false you have no case if you can't prove you were damaged/harmed, right?
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@HistoryBuff
i'm sorry, I don't understand. This is the main way the virus spreads. How do you think the virus is spreading then?
airborne large droplets, it doesn't survive long on surfaces, if it's touch based then what good are masks? people are constantly touching the outside of their masks which harbor a bunch of the virus. If that's the mode of transmission masks are actually making it worse like suggested in the video.
Well then you are likely coming into contact with people who have covid much more frequently than average.
actually sick people aren't dealt with in the same way as they use to, I'm not sure if you remember the financial problems offices and hospitals were having, part of that is the way they handled sick people.
I'd say my risk is lower than a Walmart cashier.
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@HistoryBuff
I'm advocating lies as an attempt to mislead on the internet should be punished (ie banned).
or what? their site be taken down if they don't enforce that?
I want companies to ban people for spreading misinformation.
you mean like fake news? This type of censorship is beyond dangerous, rather reminiscent of George Orwell
Businesses would only do this for their own interested anyway just like creating fake news, this is why censorship is dangerous and anyone who supports it isn't pro free speech.
there are no more laws or censorship that is needed beyond what is already illegal because I care about free speech.
my understanding is that you would expand the laws, if that's not true please clarify because if that is true I can't see how you could say you care about free speech.
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@HistoryBuff
This is one of the common ways of spreading the virus. Someone with the virus puts it on an object like a doorknob. Someone else touches the door knob and then touches their face and then contracts the virus.
I've looked and haven't found any evidence or study that backs that up, maybe you could provide some for us.
you should petition your government officials to stop obesity, much bigger death threat than covid
What are the covid stats in your state?
Mine is under 90k positives and under 3k deaths (about 10% are assumed, not actually tested) 8.536 million people, positive rate is 0.01% death rate of positive is 0.03%
(using 90k and 3k respectively)
considering the delay in lockdown, distancing, masks etc those numbers are rather meh, then factor in the non compliance and people who don't wear them correctly.
Personally the touching and adjusting of masks I've witnessed a lot, I find myself doing it as well, my hands are around my face far more now than when I didn't have to wear a mask.
I work in healthcare.
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@HistoryBuff
ok go a head and define obscene, or better yet how and who gets to define it?
you do understand cops can lie, mislead etc to make arrests and solve crimes right?
religion by some is considered a lie as are many other things people just have to believed. businesses often mislead to some degree or another, history, literature, advertising. So exactly how should this all be limited?
funny part is, what you are advocating for would make President Trump correct, you actually agree with the title of this thread, how ironic, do you feel dirty now that you are a Trump supporter LOL
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@dustryder
of course it is, haven't you ever wanted to do or say something out of anger but after a time you decide against it?
misinformation can be accidental right? who's responsibility is it to be informed and educated? unless there was a way to censor the internet/social media misinformation is something that will always be.
there are prices to pay for freedoms, even stepping foot outside comes with a risk.
these things have been settled in the supreme courts for decades now. Freedom of speech is probably difficult to comprehend when you don't have it. I can't really comprehend not having it.
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@HistoryBuff
actually there is no actual instance of someone contracting covid from an object, much like what you read about the small droplets I think you'll find the surface risk is the same just a possible theory. If you dig deeper you'll also find they have been applying this to asymptomatic people as well.
breaking rules is very American, like not sitting in the back of the bus etc
people don't have to justify not wearing a mask, that should be their choice, just like it's you choice to avoid them or stay home. Let's be real how many store employees have you seen wearing the mask below their nose if at all.
the problem with masks is it's giving people a false sense of security and not staying home, maintaining distance etc.
if you can, listen to this guy with an open mind, you don't have to agree, but follow the logic if you can, it may help you understand other's point of view.
we've had to wear eye shields at work and apparently Faucci is advocating them now.
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@HistoryBuff
again you don't understand free speech and the limits, why there are limits and how they are legal.
a call to action for violence is one example and is distinguished from speech that is protected, it has to be a clear and present danger
the glaring difference is you would further limit free speech arbitrarily and I would not, so for you to claim you care about free speech is rather laughable really.
lies and false speech is protected speech to your dismay, it if wasn't there wouldn't be any free speech unfortunately for you.
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@HistoryBuff
In one I say we should control it. In the other I say i am not fine with obscene content. Those are the same thing.
they are consistent, but not consistent from someone who claims to care about free speech, that is what I'm pointing out. Thought it was very obvious.
I do believe people should be banned for intentionally spreading lies and misinformation.
so circling back, you don't care about free speech or don't understand it, you only care about speech you agree with, obviously, and what you don't like (find obscene,misleading, whatever) should be censored/banned whatever, thus
free speech
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.
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@HistoryBuff
The evidence so far has not shown that droplets that small can infect someone.
I believe that is true and I also believe the models that show how droplets travel when talking, sneezing, coughing etc. Have you see those graphs? was on ncbi or some website, it's been posted here somewhere. What a recall from them is the large droplets drop rather quickly and don't go that far when talking. In fact they only travel about 3 feet (arms length). Because of that information I still maintain a mask isn't needed unless a person is sneezing or coughing. Which I believe is support by your thought on them being circulated by ac.
Also based on this eye shields aren't needed either unless there is potential exposure from coughing or sneezing.
it seems pretty logical doesn't it?
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@HistoryBuff
There is no such thing as completely free speech.
never said there was, nor did I ever say there weren't limits because lying is only illegal if it conflicts with someone else rights by falsely taking advantage of them. All call to action/threat is not considered free speech. This has been gone over many times at great length.
you really should just give up here, you were not talking about business rights, your exact words were
But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
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I have never said i am fine with obscene content. Why would you think that?
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no i don;t. I don't want anyone to be banned for their political opinion. I do believe people should be banned for intentionally spreading lies and misinformation.
those are not consistent with the statement
I do care about free speech.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.
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@HistoryBuff
that is false. Talking and breathing can and do expel large droplets.
so why couldn't an air conditioning or other air circulating systems circulate those droplets?
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@Dr.Franklin
oh I know, basically I was making an if/then statement :) if the droplets are too small to infect anyone except very rare cases then people don't need masks unless they are coughing and sneezing because of those same small droplets. Though I would argue that people congregating inside an office building and the like would be at more risk (assuming there is a risk) as the air condition would circulate the increased amount of particles. Far more dangerous than being outside or shopping in a non crowded store etc.
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@HistoryBuff
They are saying that the primary way the virus is transmitted is through large droplets, but that there is some evidence that some cases might be caused by airborne transmission. But there are no confirmed cases of that happening. so it is at most a minor factor, and it is entirely possible it is doesn't factor in at all.The article says there there is SOME evidence that SOME cases MIGHT be caused by airborne transmission. IE very, very few cases (if any) are transmitted that way. So air conditioning would not be a significant factor in spreading covid.
I would agree with that. And it should be obvious why people are skeptical of mask mandates since talking and breathing do not expel large droplets or distance like coughing and sneezing do, right?
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@HistoryBuff
you are confusing 2 very different things. Freedom of speech in a public venue, vs the speech in a privately owned application.
LOL not at all, I'm just going by what was actually said that you selectively deleted (see quote below)
But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
which exactly fits what i said, " I do care about free speech so long as I agree/approve of it. otherwise I consider it obscene and misleading and should be censored."
freedom of speech
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.
Here let me explain how that would read if it was truly about caring for free speech
I do care about free speech, even if I consider it obscene and misleading.
there is NO qualified free speech. Canadians try to play that game and have fooled most and themselves in believing they have free speech, but they do not.
now if you are doing a 180 and saying private entities can make their own rules, that is generally true, but then they should fall under the same rules and regulations are news media.
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@BearMan
problem is anyone can form a group and name it anything they like, that has been the issue since the catch phrase was ever uttered. It was built on too many lies (hands up don't shoot). Whatever meaning it may have had is largely ignored. Just saw a video of a black guy chased down and beaten by a very large mob of black people because he was wearing a Trump hat or something. He may have died, I'm not sure. None of it makes any sense. The outrage isn't consistent, especially when you look at the number of children murdered in Chicago as just one example. Imagine if you added in the other states, how many children would that add up to? Where's the protests for their lives?
BCLM? not is many cities they don't.
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@Greyparrot
if masks work why did they let all those prisoners out of jail instead of giving them masks? what about all the ones still incarcerated? Haven't heard of a raging epidemic in the prison systems or in non NY nursing homes. Obviously there ARE ways to manage this because it has been and is being done. Hell funerals don't transmit covid apparently maybe education doesn't either?
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I do care about free speech. But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.
just thought I'd step in an poke at the hornets nest
I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and I'm all out of bubblegum- They Live
Let's correct that quote shall we, I do care about free speech so long as I agree/approve of it. otherwise I consider it obscene and misleading and should be censored.
man I got a good laugh at that.
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