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@Greyparrot
There's literally dozens of people indicted by Mueller for lying to the FBI.I'm sure he won't be the last to face jail time for lying.
There's literally dozens of non Democrats indicted by Mueller for lying to the FBI.
I'm sure he won't be the last non Democrat face jail time for lying.
fixed it for ya, so much for equal justice under the law. I'm not sure how anyone can say with a straight face Hillary, Huma etc didn't lie, but we should just forget about all that stuff right?
What did Comey say, something about "mis-remembering" rather than lying. Seems like a great defense for anyone lol. I hope he destroyed his cell phones and wiped his server with a cloth.
but anyway he should use the Hillary defense and he'll be fine, so long as he gets the same standards she did.
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@3RU7AL
The topic is the limitation and confines of my focus. In no way does this law meet the standards of the court rulings. The law or any suggestion that there be a law against misgendering people is unconditional for the reasons and links I have already provided. I'm not interested in expanding the conversation as to what I think is acceptable language.
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@3RU7AL
I thought this was a discussion forum and that is what we were doing, you are very confusing. Or is it you don't have an answer for the links and quotes and this is your way of giving up.
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@3RU7AL
If you believe it does not qualify as "fighting words" then you have no reason to protest. It should just fix itself.
no reason to protest unconstitutional laws? hmm that a very peculiar thing to say.
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@3RU7AL
so this law says if you misgender it will be considered a breach of the peace, even so if you read the whole thing it says this will probably be decided by the Supreme Court, it's an unconstitutional law.
regardless, it's not curse word or abuse so it doesn't apply anyway.
again people get called faggot, bitch whatever, far more insulting than he or she, far far different than profanity, notice in that case, he yelled, making noise including yelling can be a breach of the peace.
"words that by their very utterance inflict injury" he and she do not apply as they are common everyday words
"speech that incites an immediate breach of the peace" same as above.
re: Chaplinsky v. State of New Hampshire
"In later decisions, the court narrowed the doctrine by limiting it to direct, face-to-face personal insults and by construing such laws narrowly to only fighting words.
While the U.S. Supreme Court has reversed the convictions in its fighting words cases, the doctrine remains active in the lower courts."
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@3RU7AL
hmm I don't know about that whole face to face thing. Police have been cursed at and screamed at when hold a line during a protest, same is true for elected officials, but you never see them getting arrested?
given the most recent video of the Catholic boy fiasco, the native Americans and others shouted out some pretty awful stuff.....no arrests made.
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@Alec
that's happening anyway, but that would speed up the process. has this program helped the native Americans? doesn't seem like it.eliminated the cultural differences in these regions (not by force, but by Americans inevitably moving there and therefore dwindling the culture), then Native lives would be saved.
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@3RU7AL
if you don't think tax payers should keep an embryo alive then why should the pay to kill it?
or is this only in relation to " lifetime ventilator"
imo tax payers shouldn't be paying for any non needed medical procedures, especially cosmetic ones
it appears people are interpenetrating the law as it has no or little restriction, tbh I haven't read it yet and what I know and have experience with that state, it probably isn't clear and doesn't make much sense anyway.
but let's say this only applies to medical reasons, I'm trying to figure out what those would be in such a late state of development.
what urgent condition affecting the mother's life can only be solved and save her life if the baby is killed? I can't think of one.
If the mother wants the baby killed because of some medical reason the baby has now developed, that's not an abortion that's euthanasia as she would not have done it otherwise.
if it's unrestricted and killed because of inconvenience, my tax money should not pay for that, it's elective with no real medical need or reason.
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@3RU7AL
by that logic no tax payer or insurance money should pay for a non medical reason abortion right?
No, by that logic, if you want to keep embryos alive, you should invest in ectogenesis.
I never have suggested they we should keep embryos alive.......but it should be both ways don't you think?
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@3RU7AL
If [social conservatives] want to offer lifetime ventilator or whatever to any child that is not viable on its own, let them pay for there choice to do so.Well stated.
by that logic no tax payer or insurance money should pay for a non medical reason abortion right?
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@3RU7AL
Gastric bypass is voluntary. It is an elective procedure. Yes, they remove part of their stomach because they don't want it. They remove it because it is causing unsightly weight gain. This type of surgery, like cosmetic surgery and other elective procedures removes tissue from a person voluntar
does the stomach die?
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@thett3
What obligations does a mother have to her children?
now that's an epic question, because if the mother doesn't take care of her child the state steps in and she could be imprisoned, as well as doing drugs or other things harmful to a developing baby LOL the inconsistencies are for real.
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@3RU7AL
just because they don't want it? because it's inconvenient? I don't think so, unless we are only talking about medical reasons.A lot of people voluntarily have a large portion of their stomach and or intestines removed without donating them to anyone.
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@3RU7AL
I'm quite certain that people donate kidneys and other organs voluntarily every day without being charged with a crime.
that's very true, and very noble, so if the woman doesn't want the baby she should donate it to someone who does. or are you going to claim you can have an organ removed and discarded because you don't want it anymore?
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@3RU7AL
my mother was not a citizen, and yet I am.
you can't chose to have a kidney or other organ voluntarily removed even though "it's part of the woman's own body"
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@3RU7AL
The mithochondria in a cell contain some Mitochondrial DNA. The mitochonria in the sperm cell that power its motion are in the Mid-Peice which drops of once the head of the sperm has penetrated the ovum. This means that all the mitochonria and therefore all the mitochondrial DNA comes form the mother ovum. So it is true that the mother contributes more DNA to a baby than the father.
if a child has 1 parent that is a citizen then that child is also a citizen and can not be deported.
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@Polytheist-Witch
if agreeing with you makes me an idiot what does that make you?
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@Mharman
bingo! even after the full video and context came out the fake news and dishonest people didn't apologize or retract their statements, a few did, but sure seems many didn't. This is the state of our modern society and people should be terrified, those of us who aren't sheeple and lemmings.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Any decent SJW would want to know the truth but any decent person doesn't make fun of people with autism which you support. You are the creepy kid you moron.
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making a judgement about someone's physical looks in the context of the o.p. speaks for itself, whether I do that as well, I certainly wouldn't do it publicly, but if that's how you wish others to perceive you, that's a choice I guess
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@Greyparrot
Although I think there are better options than the wall, whatever design is maybe. A physical barrier is useful and important. As the news has shown, what is there in many places is a joke or totally broken. People can support the idea of Trump's wall/border security or wait for a new administration to do nothing as they always have. No Democrat has offered any real and honest negotiations or ideas on border security, no real plan, because they don't want it.
The clips of Obama and the dumazz Schumer show they want security etc but did what exactly to make that happen? What plans did they put forth? People as sick of the same b.s. of all talk and no action. This is one of many reasons we have Trump. For good or bad he's doing or trying to do what he said he would. What other president has actually done that to the extent he has? So we are left with this wall idea. Some of it has been built and he's talking about other ways to get it done. Fmpov it's either this or nothing. What other options are there for border security? Wait and see if a new president will do something? How's that worked out before Trump?
This is the previous administrations fault, though many can't see it. If they had dealt with border security and immigration when they had the chance to, pushed it like he does, we wouldn't be talking about this. When you pass the buck this is what happens and what you get, enjoy.
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@Greyparrot
their English would be better I think.
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@Greyparrot
that's true, however the insurance companies have the power due to lack of competition and government controls, if you don't play their games and do it correctly they don't have to pay you. Consider some of the least expensive charges like a finger stick blood collection, about $3 I think. Most insurances don't pay it, they consider it "bundled". Would it even be worth the paper work, employee time to process such a small about? If it's not coded correctly or rejected for some other reason, the follow up audit and re-submission certainly isn't worth $3. Now toss in a few more small charges like that, give the providers a hassle about collecting the payment for them, multiply by many millions and you've saved yourself a ton of money by basically stiffing the providers with the bill. If you don't do the testing then you are in trouble for a variety of reason which could end up in lawsuits and malpractice.
this is just one layer of the onion.
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@Greyparrot
allow insurances to sell across state lines for starters, that seems like a terrible restriction for costs and increased services.
develop some common sense criteria for people who want to go to the E.R. co-pays generally keep people out of the e.r. unless it's really necessary, not so much with medicaid and no pay patients.
@linate has it right in that waste and abuse needs to be cut. The billing is so cumbersome, inefficient and unfair really. But it's purposefully setup that way to frustrate the providers into not billing for everything they can or the insurance rejects the bill because it wasn't coded correctly etc. Some insurances will pay for let's say a venipuncture while others say it's "bundled" in the office visit. This is also true with certain procedures and tests. Anyway I'm sure you can see the issues from the little I have presented from first hand knowledge. Keep in mind in their infinite wisdom they have farmed out or put out for bid medicaid and medicare administration companies. Even though it's all medicaid for example, the coverages are not, nor the billing. It might save the state money by making it more difficult on the providers, difficult enough where the state won't have to pay them for services provided. This is generally how it works instead of making people responsible and not wasting this resource (healthcare is like any other resource that shouldn't be wasted).
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@3RU7AL
A wall by itself isn't as effective as one with patrols etc, no one is denying that are they?
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@Greyparrot
sure they want more patrols and drones because once they are on U.S. soil they will be released to appear at a future court date, we all know how that works. this is the 'security' the democrats want and why they are so opposed to walls.
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@3RU7AL
right and misgendering someone is not "fighting words" and that I was posting a reply to that fact.
the way you described repeatedly etc is harassment and not speech, even so, if someone gets in your face screaming at you, you still can't assault them with any kind of legal defense.
"the Court ruled that offensive language did not constitute fighting words."
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@3RU7AL
Do you believe it would be considered harassment if people refused to call you by your preferred pronoun?I'm sure that, generally speaking, if you made a habit out of purposefully and repeatedly calling strangers by the "wrong" pronoun, and forcefully ignored their protests, it would not be surprising if at least a few of them physically attacked you.That would seem to qualify as "fighting words".
people get assaulted all the time, so what?
well, let's see do they
produce a clear and present danger? I would say no
incitement to riot which creates a clear and present danger? nope
a direct personal insult or an invitation to exchange fisticuffs? naw
so by that logic, whenever someone is called any name they consider derogatory, even repeatedly that justifies violence and is not protected speech. Repeatedly calling someone names or whatever is harassment, not because of the words they use but by their actions, that is what you are describing, again not fighting words.
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@mustardness
if you like what other countries do, go live there, any attempt to compare such a complicated issue, with vastly differing countries, laws, citizens etc is like peeing up a rope, or into the wind, go try it.
the projected numbers by the democrats themselves shows it's not financially sustainable or don't you believe them or the numbers?
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@Greyparrot
imagine for a moment if you will, this type of behavior, intentionally not using a pronoun someone wants you to us after asking you to and doing it over and over, and again intentionally. Now imagine you do this to a customer or coworker. As long as you aren't in one of the powerful unions in NYC and other places, odds are extremely high you'd be fired. I'll cover another scenario for those with tunnel vision, "but what if it's the owner blah blah blah" don't you think it would be like the cake shop issue, only far worse?
What is wrong with the people who work in these California LTC facilities and their management that these people aren't being fired and laws need to be made?
What is the issue with California that employers aren't adequately screening, educating and disciplining their employees, to the point where laws are needed? Sounds down right scary imo.
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@oromagi
you seem to have a lot of comprehension difficulties with what I said. But it's funny you did understand a little and agreed with what I said and got all defense. You still haven't answered the questions why are LTC facilities are so bad in California they need more laws where no other state do?
they should make more laws for other kinds of name calling and teasing, bravo.
as I said a private company would fire employees for abuse, making the company look bad etc, no laws require, state union employees on the other hand....
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What I find most troubling is, why does the government even need to be involved with these long term care facilities? Are they state run or private? if this is allowed and tolerated there are far bigger issues to this problem that some stupid laws can't fix. It's difficult to comprehend that workers would not be fired for intentionally mistreating, disrespecting or antagonizing patients. I'm not sure what the problems are in California but they sure seem to be unique and extreme to that state as no other states felt the need to makes laws as they do. If a healthcare facility, which these would be considered as well, do not meet certain criteria the state can withhold Medicare and Medicaid payments until the situation is remedied or the facility is closed.
Imo they are patronizing certain groups with the laws they create to fix problems that don't exist and should and could be handled without the need for more laws.
There has always been and always will be abuse in long term care facilities, that's the sad fact. Most healthcare workers would not do it or tolerate it and the offenders are disciplined (though usually terminated on the spot). The management has a duty and responsibility to make sure abuse does not occur and the highest level of care is given. If something fails to work at any of those links in the chain, laws can't fix that, just like they can't fix stupid.
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@3RU7AL
Wealth discrimination accounts for a large percentage of what is identified as "racial discrimination".
I misunderstood what you said, but yes I agree with you, what people are calling "racial discrimination" is actually the disadvantage of not being able to afford hiring a good attorney etc
when it comes to the law, the wealthy have a huge advantage, i'd even say an unfair one, but that's a different topic I suppose.
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@3RU7AL
so you just select which one you wish to apply? hmm ok I guessWealth discrimination accounts for a large percentage of what is identified as "racial discrimination".
identified as =/= truth or fact in the quote above. did you think O.J. was innocent?
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@Greyparrot
all that matters is they vote Democrat, it's all about playing the odds, odds are they will and SupaDudz probably would not.
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@janesix
that's awesome, my grandamother (when she was alive) quit after something like 60 years of smoking. Went to one of those group hypnosis things which really isn't as it sounds. They watched videos of how tobacco was processed, including the rats running all over it and doing their business on it, there's little to no regulation about that I'm sure. It's sometimes enough to gross people out and make them quit. I've seen more than my fair share of lung cancer patients and other related complications, it's nothing I would ever consider taking up. Best of luck to you, if this is what you want bad enough you will succeed there's no doubt about that.
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@Nd24007
rare that the people who imo are responsible are actually held responsible for their own actions, vs punishing everyone in the whole company, which many of didn't know or have anything to do with the issue.
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@Nd24007
the "company" didn't, because that would include the workers, truck drivers etc etc and they will also be hurt by this, it was management and who ever else was involved, they are at fault for this and they should be the ones to pay and held responsible imo. but that is rarely the case.
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@Nd24007
I didn't think about the copy and paste, I generally read the forums in-between stuff I have to or should do at work hehe that's just way too much for me to read, but those who covered up and made false reports should be held liable. I hate these things when the company and all it's workers are punished for what the management and upper levels do or don't do, that too is a terrible shame alone with the people harmed. The lawsuits hurt the whole company, workers and all, the rich ceo and upper management, the people who cover it up and knew about it, doesn't hurt them all that much in comparison, not usually anyway.
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@Nd24007
I'm at work, can't watch the videos hehe
what reuters article? I just went by the link provided......except for the videos.
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@Nd24007
whatchu talkin bout Willis?
" the U.S. Food & Drug Administration said a study found "no asbestos fibers or structures in any of the samples of cosmetic-grade raw material talc or cosmetic products containing talc."
from YOUR link......sorry dude I see NO proof of this claim, yet.
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@Greyparrot
The very image of caravans of South Americans pouring out of LAX like a clown car is so laughable on its face. How can people force themselves to believe this?
I stopped being amazed and what people will believe when they believed "if you like your health plan you can keep it"
The lemmings will believe just about anything, which is great for the tv media.
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@Greyparrot
Politifact rates you as false. Typical foreigner can't use google.
stats are fun lol for the comprehension impared......
"But Rosenblum noted that overstays represent about 16 percent of unauthorized Mexican immigrants, about 27 percent of unauthorized Central Americans, and about 91 percent of all other unauthorized immigrants."
in other words the majority DO NOT come by air.
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@Mage-CPA
we pay more for non generic drugs which essentially subsidizes other countries so they can pay less. The drug companies have expenses, r.d. very expensive etc etc and they need/want to make money. imo they generally make enough off the U.S. that they can accept less from other countries and it still is worth while to continue in the business. If there was no profit in medications the advances would be very slow if non existent wouldn't you think?
there is a lot of abuse and over use in our health care. If we had more accountability at every level, including personal/patient, the waste could be cut and money saved.
Things are over prescribed and tests ordered because of lawsuits or the potential of. Many other countries don't have the litigation system the U.S. has.
the billing systems is overly complicated and burdensome to say the least, a whole other issue.
There is so much room for improvement and cost savings with what we already have, it doesn't make sense to make a whole new system rather than fixing what we already have (many of which are simple fixes)
Swapping one set of problems for another unknown set probably isn't cost effective or beneficial when what we already have could be greatly improved.
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@linate
probably the best post you've made imo, you are spot on. the argument that most illegals don't come across the border is meaningless, the fact is many do cross the border a wall and more security will help minimize that. Even if "most illegals don't come across the border" they don't want to fix that problem either. Has any Democrat leaders ever said we need to fix the immigration system to stop the illegals coming in by other means than the border? If they have a solution to stop illegals who come in other ways (not the border, and assuming most come in other way) then lets fix that and forget about the wall for now.
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ROFL yeah cause that works so well for regular cigarettes, drugs, alcohol etc
from the nothing but crap news (nbc)
now go to your favorite search engine and video platform then type in "diy vape pen" no need to add links you can look them up your self.
our modern society is now laws > education and good parenting.
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@keithprosser
If individual judges have too much discrtion it turns court trials into lotteries
ironic isn't it, some of these threads, when you add in those who claim judges are racists etc, give them more power? hhmmm maybe not such a good idea, they are difficult enough to remove. Howz about the judge who colluded with the prosecutor to coordinate the release of the criminal alien out the back door so I.C.E. couldn't get him, judges like that? There's a lot wrong with this idea.
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@Wylted
sure I agree with all of that, and yet ignorance of the law isn't a defense.......there's no way to enforce or prove it and people should protect themselves accordingly.
some, probably very few take any kind of ethics seriously, social media and the news kind of proves that is very few.
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