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@drafterman
Banned while also the other users who were also personally attacking people. I don't want the rules to be bent my way because that just means someone else would get a free pass as well and they can use it in a much worse way. Besides it isn't real life so I probably be banned for a week or month tops.Let's assume you were a violater. From your point of view, would you rather be banned or given a chance to shape up?
I think what should've happened was privately messaging everyone involved who did what and ask them to stop. If they don't while also not apologizing then you can ban them. I haven't got a private message so I am going with Speedrace doesn't know what he was doing because I wasn't sent a message and I am guessing from people like Speedrace and RM I would be one of the people who would've been banned. If this isn't how bans work why did bsh1 inform me of a rule breaking before making his decision? If this has changed as well then f*ck the people in charge for being incompetent or allowing incompetency to occur without apologizing for it. All I saw was Virtuoso stating he won't do it again so Virtuoso is basically apologizing on Speedrace's behalf. I didn't like it when I think bsh1 apologized for Virutoso and I don't like it now. Sure the head mod is supposed to manage every other mod but to say they should be more accountable for something that was never done before is in my opinion is the fault of the person who did the new thing. For example Speedrace locking a non-spam, non-moderator thread.
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@RationalMadman
You don't know until they ban me and say it was me. Probably it was me but I don't know for sure.Do you realise that you were one of them?
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@coal
I take autistic as an insult. I want an apology mr.coal.
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@coal
You sure you are the same person in your AMA?
I think bsh1 leaving must've hit you real hard or more likely private stuff causing you to be more volatile.
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@coal
What happened to you?
Is it bsh1 leaving hit you that hard?
Personally I have a new found respect for him to leave on something that can be looked in a negative light.
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@Barney
I believe Supa is right that the sports fans would spam out everyone else; which can easily be avoided by leaving them their own forum.
Tell them to not spam by having a thread "football league discussion".
(Supa specifically) requested that it be left separate; both causing me to evaluate it individually, and consider the desires of the users.
You do know there are only 2 people in that thread right?
I believe at this point them staying separate is an open and shut matter. Religion is ranked #3, Philosophy also does well at #6.
Thank you. Can you please use facts to state what will occur with the sports section?
I honestly don't know if there would be quite enough distinct activity to warrant a second forum for games, but I'm open to the idea.
I don't think it would do well but trying it out won't hurt.
Using music as an example, right now user contributions on divided between two (or sometimes three) forums, with no clear right answer to which it should be posted.
It would be the same reason that I have with games. There isn't enough to warrant a separate. I know you value Supa's opinion but having a dead section isn't really what I consider worth it.
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@Lucy
Add this to the DebateArt section. Hardly anyone browses this section I think without knowing it.
Within a functioning democracy, the use of violence to bring about political change is occasionally justified.
I am guessing you are a socialist. I'll wait for the socialist revolution.
Access to food, water, and shelter ought to be guaranteed to all people. (Pro)
Confirmed.
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@Vader
Ok so looking back it did violate the rule. We had a discussing and the user of reference was warned for it. I would have caught it closer. This is why I suggest people report things they find in Discord to me.Thank you for the report
Oh okay. It was a rule but you weren't quick enough to remove it.
Thank you for this.
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@drafterman
No I am simply stating the rule stated no suicide jokes and there was a suicide joke. The comments below rule 6 weren't actually adding more depth.Did the joke offend you and you want it removed? Do you want the rule clarified? Removed? What outcome are you looking for?
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Is Vaarka in close communication with Virtuoso?The server, and the rules, were made by Vaarka, not Supa.
I would interpret rule 6 to mean suicidal jokes or threats about other people on the server, not simply any humorous content that references suicide, but I'll certainly clarify.
Well if it was laid out more clearly my concern wouldn't be warranted.
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@David
I think the worse case scenario could be that a person would use publishing an argument to talk about forum related stuff but I don't think that is a reason to remove it because I don't think most people would do that. I think you guys will give a higher suspension for that so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.
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@drafterman
If you have some specific issue with the Discord, you can raise it to me or Supa at any time. As it is, both moderator teams are in close communication and are aware of what each is doing.
"6. NO suicidal jokes or threats."
This took me 2 minutes to find.
This time the comments underneath doesn't even explain what the rules are because it is being wishwashy about kys.
"If you're gonna say something like "kys" or "kms", then just say "rule 6". I ask this not because I care, but because I've managed to make it a thing on a few servers (based off a server that started said tradition)."
So basically it is not saying no suicidal jokes instead saying say rule 6 instead of kys.
Bearing in mind this doesn't even talk about the general talk of no suicidal jokes.
This is a link to Supa caring about suicide here: https://discordapp.com/channels/527948607442124831/528244073291841537/593180635687026702
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@RationalMadman
I am mainly more concerned that they value not banning people breaking rules instead make a special case.
Here is virtuoso admitting to it: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3038/moderation-ama?page=5&post_number=118
"There were quite a few direct personal attacks in the thread. We decided a cool down period would be helpful. That being said, we will not be using this in the future."
At least he said he won't do it again but putting rule-breakers above laying down the law is bad. I expect something like this would happen again because I didn't see either Speedrace or Virtuoso apologize for a precedent that hasn't been issued in this way.
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@RationalMadman
I thought the problem was that DA has to be accountable to the discord. The problem I find is that SupaDudz is not Virtuoso so he would do things that the head moderator of this site wouldn't. I think Virtuoso has checked the discord but I don't imagine he would agree SupaDudz is as capable as he is at running an affiliated channel.
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@Vader
Artistic Expression is different from Art. Art does not suggest in anyway as custom or personal. This distinguishes a broad art vs a user specific art
Please read what you say before posting it. If you actually think this is a worthwhile comment, rephrase it.
but putting it in industry is mixing two things that don't generally belong
Like you said sports is a form of entertainment and if you think it warrants a new section because it is a different form of entertainment then that very argument can be used to have Movies, TV different categories as well. Not even mentioning its basically if you are not at the stadium a TV show.
Why not actually try an argue against what I said? Only 2 people are on the Sports consistently. Seems like you don't like to understand how irrelevant it is compared to Politics and Philosophy which you think should be in the same category?
No. This is stupid. Just because you do not play mafia =/= we need cluster video game and tech topics with forum mafia when it is the base for this community
Please define base before calling my claim what I think is sufficient stupid.
This is not true. Mafia is key to this community and generates and warrants enough discussion to be separate. Same with videogames
I am doing this one at a time. Don't bother defining key, just define base.
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@Barney
Artistic Expression (community generated art, music, writing, etc.)
Can't you just call this Art?
Entertainment Industry (Music, Movies, TV, etc.)
Can't you just call this entertainment while also including sports into this? Mainly since I don't think there are enough posts to warrant a separate section.
Games (Mafia and other forum games)
Can't you just group all games in one games sections?
Sports should be in an all encompassing entertainment section because there is only 78 topics. There isn't enough people to warrant the need of it. From just looking at it only 2 people frequent it. Spammer Franklin and Supa. Both take the section seriously but there is no one else.
Mafia shouldn't be its own thread because people hardly ever talk about video games on the site from what I saw so it would basically be a dead section. You can try it out and see if people would use it. I'll post stuff every so often but if no one engages with it then it is not actually an active thread. Just one person posting like how the sports section is two people posting stuff.
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@Dr.Franklin
So reductionist it leaves out key information. Middle class doesn't really have a clear definition so guess we need a definition to even have a conversation but from your previous comment well lets say you are not going to bother to defend the very party you support.Republkicans made the iddle class
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@Dr.Franklin
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@Dr.Franklin
Define communism.
Then
Tell me how Biden is a commie.
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@David
Have you also considered making it public how you go about conducting bad behavior?
What I mean by considered as in have you considered it and if you don't want to do it why or a different why to a different answer.
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@Barney
I like the first draft.
The earlier you do it the less scrolling I have to do to go to the philosophy section or politics section.
Just to make sure, please don't put Religion and Philosophy together. I don't want God in philosophy unless they are actually making arguments against or for him other than just feelings.
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@David
If the same users decide to do this again will you ban them?
Have you privately or publicly messaged the people involved to tell them what they did and what would happen if they continue?
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@Imabench
Fair system. coolEveryone else in the politics forums already rent out houses on lands we own. They pay a 100% tax rate to us so the handful of us have all the wealth in this forum there could possibly be
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@DebateArt.com
Can you explain the profile image changes?
More specifically will it accept larger image sizes or is the resolution just increased?
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@Imabench
Can I rent places out and become an owner of houses? I think that would be the best choice for me.
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@Vader
Care to clarify who I wanted to respond to my comment?
I am not going to play try to make you understand a comment was not directed at you.
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@David
The thread began to become toxic and quite a few posts have been reported. That said, we locked it as a way for members to cool down. I have now unlocked the thread.
Let me clarify,
What rule was broken?
Is this the first time this has been done excluding spam threads, moderators threads and callout threads?
Why didn't you just suspend the accounts that were toxic instead of locking it?
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@David
What rules were broken in this thread that resulted in the thread being locked?
Can you also state if the reason stated above was used prior to this?
If this was answered just send me give me the number of the post.
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@Barney
I am pretty sure call Out threads have been locked many times, so yes, threads other than Spam threads have been locked.
Guess I forgot about them. Wasn't there a precedent already put in place? I don't know if people were aware beforehand that if you specifically call out someone in a thread negatively it would be banned. Mainly because I think bsh1 was doing it before I was here.
Second, it is unclear if you are trying to rehash your complaints about threads being locked (with the stated option for them to be unlocked if anyone were to have requested such...), or raise a new complaint with decision to censor a post and issue a warning.
Let me clarify. What rules were broken in the thread that resulted in the thread being locked?
If the former, the AMA thread would be a better place for such discussion.
I'll ask the same question there then.
If the latter, please let me know what your preferred course of action would have been; as we are quite open to feedback.
Make people aware that thread locking can occur without it being a callout thread, spam thread or a moderator thread that is intended to be locked.
Just to make sure people are unaware. Message the person privately or publicly about a violation and if it persists then decide how to punish the user.
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@Vader
Rephrase because I don't know what you said here.He used this strat to change this up because of your post you made
You made a whole thread about why locking the post was terrible and a lapse in judgement.
If it wasn't clear what I said you should've asked. My moral look on what occurred doesn't matter and what I said in #1 applies no moral judgment. It is saying Speedrace did an unprecedented thing. Values thread locking over suspending users who personal attack or threaten and an inconsistency without justification.
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@Vader
What are you talking about?He only did because he said the n word in a vulgar and insulting way. Are you going to complain about that too?
I am referring to the lock thread comment Ragnar made not about this n-word thing I don't know anything about.
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@Vader
How do you know life would be secular without genius when you have never seen no change? I am going to quote again just so you remember what you said:We need change in life in order to function
Without change, life would be extremely secular without genius minds
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@Barney
Has this ever been done before excluding spam threads?in light of protest against a mere thread locking
Is there current rules that state you are able to do this because when bsh1 I don't remember him doing such a thing?
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@Vader
?Without change, life would be extremely secular without genius minds
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@RationalMadman
I am late to this so I will just use it now and then decide to take it off whenever.
There is no good raiden MGS2 pictures.
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@RationalMadman
I actually think that Christen was overall trolling. 80% of what he quoted was out-of-context word-twisting. He even quoted me when I was literally defending Bsh1, by using what I said others were saying about Bsh1 as something I attacked Bsh1 with (the scumbag comment).
Pretty much. Has a problem with the word ass and me saying the f-word not to a specific person just stating what I feel. I guess that is like the only thing that was out of line the rest is what Christen decides to say while Speedrace jumps in to agree with him on.
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@Christen
Speedrace doesn't know what he is doing. If he did he would be the one revealing the information. If he is not allowed to make the information public. Why did he accept your public information thus essentially doing the same thing.Speedrace did say that everything I quoted contributed to it getting locked, so you two need to talk to him about anything you disagree with, not me.
Also I was worried that if I quoted every full comment instead of just the part with the bad words and stuff then my post would exceed the 5000 character limit, so I apologize if it looks like I was quoting things out on context.
Conspiracy theorist is what Wylted is. Is that still wrong if so how am I supposed to address is opinions without evidence?
How about the dog-piling comment?
And yes. The a-word is a bad word. I would get in trouble for saying that word as a kid.
I didn't think saying a body part would be bad and why are you comparing it to what kids say?
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@Christen
I'll apologize for this. I should've said who cares.Who gives a f*ck? https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3010/post_links/126487
they can't dog-pile me just like what they did to bsh1 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3010/post_links/126538
How was this swearing, bad words or a personal attack?
Please a conspiracy theorist telling me I am wrong. You need help. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3010/post_links/126540
Please answer the question above here as well while also stating a better way for me to frame this. He is a conspiracy theorist.
This also goes to show like in his long-ass thread https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3010/post_links/126543
Is ass a swear now?
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I was addressing:I didn't say you accused me of threatening anyone. I continue to have no idea what you are talking about.
Nothing about my comment was inappropriate.
Why did you tell me this?
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@coal
The 2 reported comments. That was all I saying. Please read any of my comments. I didn't accuse you of threats.What are you talking about?
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@Vader
You don't have a stance though. The take down =/= cause of you
A comment I made on that thread is a stance. It being because of me doesn't matter because it still impacted me given I was going to address the people who were commenting to me.
I can't comment on this...
What? So when I have evidence you don't even bother to accept it. Noted.
Radical? Lmao you haven't been on the site long enough to see radical
Never has a user thread been locked that doesn't include spamming. Speedrace by doing this has set a new precedent thus being a radical. It is easy to follow but just like in the other thread I am sure you won't understand this either.
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@3RU7AL
I just think I am spending too much time on this.Well, if you pick a spot on the ground (a random topic) and you start digging (investigating, asking questions), you will very likely find things you weren't expecting to find long before you hit bedrock (or your shovel breaks, which seems to be the case this time).
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@Speedrace
Honest question: why not ban the people who are raving like lunatics instead of locking the thread? They're just going to rave like lunatics in another thread.Hasn't happened yet...
What the f*ck.
You locked the thread because of "this thread has an unhealthy number of personal attacks and even threats."
You being the dumbf*ck you are have shown that you can't state there was even personal attacks thus stating there wasn't even threats. Meaning the claims you brought up are false. A threat is a form of personal attack. I have already stated how the other paragraph is inconsistent if you decide to do it way later than AvoidDeath's 1st comment so you are just a dumbf*ck.
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