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@Wylted
Not knowing the motives of the hammer for example was already addressed in the portion of the report where it also talks about how BSH1 does not know the motives but acted on the assumption he was not actually helping the investigation.
Please stop removing key information that bsh1 has stated that came into his conclusion. This would be clear if you care about what is right instead of being an ideologue or maybe you don't care and you spend a lot of time thinking, typing these long-ass opinions. I'll choose the first claim I made.
"I make my rulings based on what I find probable, and all available evidence indicates that Hammer willfully lied to me. That's really the bottom line. I use a probability standard, not a "no reasonable doubt" standard, so the fact that other explanations exist is not a sufficient reason to exonerate Hammer."
Since I have reminded you of this. Actually rebut the claims brought forward instead of feigning ignorance. You have no excuse now because I directly messaged you bsh1's response.
Bsh1 whether knowingly or intentionally actually obstructed my investigation into collusion by banning the hammer and the community burdened me with the responsibility of investigating this matter
Why should anyone care about your investigation? You are a random conspiracy theorist online and no authority figure. You have no excuse spreading your opinions when bsh1 has already made his comments regarding this.
i am now burdened with impeachment proceedings by the highest authority of the DART elite
Whatever you do publicly make sure to tag me because I will be addressing all the nonsensical ideas you have.
since we do bot have elected officials which I plan to remedy by December than I am the closest thing to the voice of the community, which I reluctantly accept
If you do it within the bounds of what is allowed then I won't care.
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@Wylted
The rule of law is why I ended up in an abusive foster home
Not my fault. Was this supposed to guilt trip me? This is an appeal to emotion. Should I list my personal experiences as well so that we have an feelings fight? I wouldn't because unlike you I am not even going to attempt to use my personal experiences in anyway to poison the well or at worst as an argument for you being convincing. Instead of actually building upon those misfortunes you instead bring it up to help your case.
why the nazis were allowed to kill 6 million Jews
So it was the because of the rule of law instead of well the white supremacist ideology? Okay.
why a kid smoking a joint one time with some friends can have his future destroyed
So you are against rules then? If not why bring this up? I would definitely enjoy your answer and see if one you don't come back with a non-sequitur while also other holes I can predict just by typing this. I'll wait.
Anybody who is pro rule of law, and even lawyers not actively fighting against the system and other participants who do participate in the system as opposed to it, are all pieces of shits who I would have exterminated if I were in power.
I am guessing you are for Anarchy. I'll wait for that revolution. I think the socialist revolution is more likely than this so do keep in mind how unlikely it is to occur.
To summarize Wylted would use his own bad memories to guilt trip a person who had no part to play in his bad past events. This shows he is willing to use his own feelings to win an argument, not go above it but instead try to poison the well because he doesn't actually give a damn about logical arguments instead cares about using any cheap tactic to look better. Everything else requires answers because I didn't know he was a Christian anarchist. If not then stop making an argument for anarchy.
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@Wylted
At least you are being honest. Nothing else was addressed and I only threw that in to see what you would say but didn't realize you were incapable of dealing with everything else but the obvious thing that is going on.As a conservative, I can tell you I could give a shit less about the rule of law. My ideology comes first
Why should bsh1 set a side his kind of duty to governing this site properly for your favoritism to TheHammer?
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@Wylted
1. You don't know the intentions of the TheHammer so don't act like it.
2. The intent doesn't escape you from the a rule breaking. Maybe TheHammer could get a weaker ruling but TheHammer did break 3 rules that bsh1 made clear.
3. You would still have conspiracy theories. Don't pretend you would do otherwise. You and RM can't help but spread your opinions.
4. This is also heavily loaded with your opinions. This means I am either taking bsh1's side or Wylted's side. Optics of course would be pro bsh1 because he is the head moderator and even consistency sake because bsh1 actually does explain his point and puts his own motives if other people disagree. This can be easily see when we had a vote for the public ban log. bsh1 was not for it but eventually decided to do it anyway. I can't see the same thing from you.
5. Your investigation doesn't matter. You are no authority on the matter instead just some random user who has opinions.
6. The rules shouldn't be broke just because you say so and until you can counter the 3 claims bsh1 made then you have no ground to stand on.
but I think you should consider the evidence
Lol. Where?
swallow your pride and be mature enough to change your mind
Rich coming from you.
In fact, I already think you are those things, otherwise I would not have even bothered writing this report on his particular situation.
I find this hypocritical. You have shown to like conspiracy theories not swallow up your pride while bsh1 has. This is an unfair ask of bsh1 removing TheHammer did break the rules. I thought conservatives cared about the rule of law but all I see is double standards.
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@Wylted
Tell me how I am wrong instead of saying to read the post again. I will read the post again and come to the same conclusion because your claims a really easy to dismiss. I much rather bsh1 go into detail why you are wrong then me using second hand evidence like you did.You need to read my post again. I am aware of more than you think. Also everything I based this on is publicly known information.
I believe bsh1 is innocent of any conspiracy but he is guilty of being human and having bias
Not shown in what you said. It just seems like you are linking things you have no idea bsh1 has explained or should be understood if you didn't cherry-pick what occurred.
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@bmdrocks21
This conversation is over. Your incompetent, close-minded and don't make worthwhile arguments. I asked you two simple questions at the start yet you can't even answer them without having so many holes. Maybe you should take a good long look at yourself because from my perspective your the one who can't even comprehend the most simplest ideas on how to have a coherent belief. This is a clear example of people living in two different realities. One who abides by the best form of standard on understanding on the world and the other uses a weak reality which may or may not be their fault.
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@Wylted
He makes things you would like to see private because of privacy concerns. You would have to challenge him on that if you want him to change his mind. Your claim of inconsistency doesn't stick.Read the post, it explains why that we can't know whether he was cooperating or not. BSH1 would have to be a mind reader. It also shows similar threads by other users that were ignored. It also provides evidence that a moderator was involved in a scheme to manipulate the results of the election and a whole host of other facts. Did you even read it?
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@Wylted
"He was banned for (a) lying to moderation and refusing to cooperate in moderation's investigation, (b) excessive trolling, and (c) making knowingly false allegations designed to hurt another user on this site. That is very clearly a serious kind of personal attack."
Why are you wasting his time?
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@bmdrocks21
Clear anti-intellectual take. Instead of making claims that you can defend you instead simply say stuff in the hopes that eventually you would find something that agrees with you. It took you almost 1 day to support a claim.I know what I say is true. I just don't have the motivation to prove everything to you and look up all of the articles and graphs again.
You don't strike me as someone who is looking to have their mind changed.
I can say the exact same to you but at least I demonstrate how I am right. You don't even bother and move the goalposts to a more defensible position. You clearly have shown you are not hear to have your mind changed when instead of stating the obvious problems with your analogy you instead move the goalposts. That is a sign of someone who isn't open minded and I don't think you see that.
How about you make affirmative claims for a change?
I had questions and you didn't answer them without being fallacious or incorrect. Why would I want to present arguments to a person who does all of that while also showing no sign of changing their mind? I haven't heard of a single argument anywhere here. All I see is claims not supported by evidence. Don't expect me to show some courtesy when you can't even show the courtesy of knowing when you are wrong or fallacious.
It was an analogy that is surprisingly realistic, sir. The poor people get free gum through SNAP. The rich people paid for this through taxes, yet got nothing. So, when they buy the goods themselves, they will have had to pay the actual price and the tax price.
Avoiding and even doubling down on rich people paying double. This is clear ignorance on your part if you think that gum link supports your analogy. Saying rich people pay double the price would mean you would have to show rich people pay double the price. You simply moved from rich people paying double the price to people on food stamps buy gum. Moving the goalposts and clearly showing incompetence.
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@bmdrocks21
Clear anti-intellectual take. Instead of making claims that you can defend you instead simply say stuff in the hopes that eventually you would find something that agrees with you. It took you almost 1 day to support a claim.I know what I say is true. I just don't have the motivation to prove everything to you and look up all of the articles and graphs again.
You don't strike me as someone who is looking to have their mind changed.
I can say the exact same to you but at least I demonstrate how I am right. You don't even bother and move the goalposts to a more defensible position. You clearly have shown you are not hear to have your mind changed when instead of stating the obvious problems with your analogy you instead move the goalposts. That is a sign of someone who isn't open minded and I don't think you see that.
How about you make affirmative claims for a change?
I had questions and you didn't answer them without being fallacious or incorrect. Why would I want to present arguments to a person who does all of that while also showing no sign of changing their mind? I haven't heard of a single argument anywhere here. All I see is claims not supported by evidence. Don't expect me to show some courtesy when you can't even show the courtesy of knowing when you are wrong or fallacious.
It was an analogy that is surprisingly realistic, sir. The poor people get free gum through SNAP. The rich people paid for this through taxes, yet got nothing. So, when they buy the goods themselves, they will have had to pay the actual price and the tax price.
Avoiding and even doubling down on rich people paying double. This is clear ignorance on your part if you think that gum link supports your analogy. Saying rich people pay double the price would mean you would have to show rich people pay double the price. You simply moved from rich people paying double the price to people on food stamps buy gum. Moving the goalposts and clearly showing incompetence.
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@bmdrocks21
Well, you seem to make it your goal to waste my time.
Sorry if asking you to defend your claims is too difficult for you.
I might get to some of the others when I am motivated enough.
Safe to say you like saying things without knowing it is true.
I provided a link showing that poor people are buying gum at the expense of rich people.Rich people pay most of taxes, and a lot of poor people pay none. So, I am not wrong.
This is a far cry from "It is like giving away a pack of gum to a poor person then charging a rich person double for the same thing."
Please refer to the other comments I made which state the obvious future critiques I had. I didn't just state you to provide a link. That was a bare minimum to prove what you are saying and even that isn't met given how outrageous your initial claim was which would be less outrageous if you were able to prove it. Even accepting this moving the goalposts I still gave a critique in spite of your bothering to backup your claims. Are you going to challenge that position or do I need to copy what I said earlier because you didn't read it or didn't bother to argue against it?
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@bmdrocks21
$13.2 million spent on chewing gum. Not emotions, facts.
What claim of mine are you refuting? Do quote me as well.
Also nice that you drop pretty much every single other point I brought up.
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@airmax1227
Ask bsh1 he is the head moderator. Everyone else would have second hand evidence.
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@bmdrocks21
Look at my previous problems. You didn't address. Are you going to?It is really hard to have a dictatorship with an armed populace. Check out Syria vs Venezuela. In Syria, they got guns and could revolt. In Venezuela, they are screwed. I was referring to the Cato Institute source that you provided as my source for us having more freedom of expression.
You said we were fifth in a couple of things, including healthiness. You compared our system to single-payer systems. You said how great their systems were. I said that there are other factors, including diets. Ours is terrible, so that will obviously create more strain on our system and make us unhealthy. Sorry for adding a little nuance instead of pointing out a singular difference between the two and pretending that correlation is always causation.
Quote me if you care about not strawmanning me.
I will cite my book when I get home from my test.
I don't want a book unless that book you are reading is citing its claims.
This was about them having no respect for our country. I have no clue why you are trying to make some incoherent semantic argument about how taking money from us means they accept our country. There is no argument to be made there. Yes, they take money. They "accept" the money.
Didn't demonstrate how my point is incoherent or semantic. Are you going to?
That was an appeal to justice and fairness, not emotion, but okay.
Did you just make something up? I clearly showed how this was an appeal to emotion. You instead resort to not even bothering to argue against it instead cite something not even comparable.
It is ironic you say it was based on fairness because from looking at the link you gave they only talk about what would be offered. Nothing talking about doubling the price for rich people I am guessing through taxes and a majority of people buying gum. Tell me again how this is an appeal to fairness instead an appeal to emotion?
Yes, the gum example was an analogy. It is a hypothetical to describe a reality in new terms. And technically, through SNAP, many poor people do get free gum....the rich pay for that gum.
Not technically. You are assuming people are buying gum with that money and to even use this as an argument you would have to demonstrate that most poor people are buying gum that rich people are paying for double the price. If you don't then I can simply say you are using the minority to talk about what the majority of the group doesn't do which means it is unfair and at worst an anecdote. Are you going to drop the paying double the price claim because you know it is indefensible?
Chewing gum with food stamps https://www.tripsavvy.com/arizona-nutrition-assistance-program-2681991
You found a link stating that poor people can buy chewing gum. Not a link to show how many are buying it. Was your an appeal to emotion analogy based on evidence you don't have?
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@bmdrocks21
Well, I Ctrl+F "guns" and "speech". So, guns wasn't added to the calculation as far as I can tell. We do, however, have more freedom of expression, which speech would be included in.
You didn't actually read it instead you simply said no guns = worse than the US. The problem is that there is more than just guns to talk about when it comes to freedom. To me this sounds like you can't even comprehend a case where a dictatorship allows for guns but another liberal nation without guns can be free.
You even stated another claim "We do, however, have more freedom of expression" which isn't rebuttal of what I said instead is an opinion not supported by evidence. What am I supposed to do, provide evidence to the contrary when you with the burden of making the claim didn't bother to do so?
We have the second highest rate of fast food consumption. We also have the highest sugar intake. These lead to obesity, which makes us unhealthy. That is a rebuttal to your claim that universal healthcare makes us healthier. There are a lot of more facts involved.
This is a non-sequitur. If you actually read what I said you should find out I stated "Public healthcare would be more effective at delivery healthcare outcomes across all people.". Don't strawman my position being "universal healthcare makes us healthier". Next time try to rebut my position not the position you made up.
Well, my data comes from a book I am reading called "We Wanted Workers". I would have to look at their citations.
I find this to be another excuse or a failure to backup your claims.
Either
1) If this opinion was correct there would be more than one place to find evidence for what you said or maybe an actual claim that is sourced.
2) You make claims without actually finding evidence to support it. You stated you read the book without understanding well how can I prove what he/she said was true? You instead simply accepted what they said.
They can hate everything we stand for, but they will like the free food, money, and housing. If you love your parents, will you leech off them as much as possible, even though they are going into debt to provide for you? Hell no you wouldn't. Did you move in with them because you love them? Probably not considering the aforementioned debt.
How is this an argument against mine? All I am seeing is I am not going to challenge your point directly. I will instead give an analogy with a question you answered. You didn't even attempt to discuss about the very simple concept I made. A person accepting an American policy accepts a part of America. What part is forcing you intentionally or unintentionally dodge my statement?
I am not basing arguments from emotion. I am using this wonderful tool known as an analogy.
I am speaking to a person who doesn't even understand how "It is like giving away a pack of gum to a poor person then charging a rich person double for the same thing." is an appeal to emotion. Let me explain why I stated this which you couldn't even do with your own comment.
Appeal to emotion You attempted to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.
This isn't valid because Warren nor Sanders has specifically stated nor even implied that they would be paying for the gum of a poor person from the wealth of rich people while also taxing it I am assuming. That is your opinion of something that isn't grounded in reality. I wouldn't even know what you stretched to get to that conclusion.
This isn't a compelling argument because you didn't even bother to make claims on reality instead made an analogy which doesn't even fit. I will be repeating myself again that no Democratic nominee has this policy. You are simply making this up.
I wouldn't disagree that this is an analogy but there can be an appeal to emotion to an analogy. It isn't a contradictory for that to happen. I don't know how I would even go about explaining how they are not contradictory when I would have to conform to your view and then somehow see if from your wrong view I can make it right. It is basically asking me a lot from me than what you even bothered to do to explain your stance. Since there can be multiple false interpretations I would have to wait for you to go through why you thought this then hope that I can in some way rebut a commonly agreed upon take that you can use an appeal to emotion in an analogy.
Just to make sure you if didn't understand it is an emotional response because you are applying a dynamic to the rich and the poor in order to connect to some sort of crowd. Instead of being informative or as objective as possible you instead to resort to persuasive rhetoric aimed to pander to a crowd even though there isn't one. This shows a lack of understanding if you think I would agree with you if I read that analogy.
Are you trolling me? lol
I have given evidence when needed and aimed to not be appealing to emotion. You come back with non-sequitur comments, appeal to emotion, unconvincing dis-analogous comments and well I am reading a book so I can't provide evidence instead claims things which I don't know are true. An argument of ignorance essentially.
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@Dr.Franklin
Saw it when I was like 15-16. I even still remember the name of the video. Thank you for reminding me.The dark shit of the web is awful, I saw someone chop his dick off,(no joke)
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@bmdrocks21
However, they have strict gun laws and "hate speech" laws.
This link has the UK at an 8.55 in terms of freedom whereas the US has an 8.39.
This link is to the specifics.
What do you have to say about that?
UK in the second link is at page 365. US's stats are on page 367.
I mean they begin to resemble native-born citizens in terms of their incomes.
Data?
We are unhealthy because we eat like s***. Everyone agrees that our current system sucks. Republicans want to increase competition, and you want universal healthcare. There isn't much common ground there, so nothing gets done and we get screwed. The facts are not "on the left". What is your definition of "the left"?
You didn't actually counter my link instead made by excuses. Excuses are not rebuttals.
The left would be Democrat.
When leeching off the taxpayer, what happens? Well, to fund it, you take money from productive citizens and give it to unproductive ones. I don't know why you are pursuing an indefensible semantic argument. They are taking money because they want it, not for the good of our nation or its people. That is selfish. They are coming here to take things from current citizens. Apparently you think that means they care about our country.
Just like before you are not actually addressing what I said instead have some personal feeling to people leeching off the taxpayer. That is not a rebuttal to my clear and simple statement that people accepting an American policy would be accepting a part of America. If they hated America they wouldn't have moved there in the first place.
Sure it is. But offering people things that they will never pay back is offering free stuff. It is like giving away a pack of gum to a poor person then charging a rich person double for the same thing. It is, for all intents and purposes, "free" to the poor person.
Yet again you are giving a "politically motivated representation of the facts". The truth is the amount they pay would be decided by the policy implemented. Another problem with this statement is that it is emotionally driven. You are not giving me rational arguments instead it is an appeal to emotion. I can't exactly rebut this instead would have to say please stop using anecdotes and lets talk about policy.
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@bmdrocks21
Those values are shared in some other industrialized countries, but not to such a high degree.
Examples?
As they live in the country, the gap starts to disappear. "Economic assimilation".
Are you saying living in the United States is assimilation?
What do you mean by economic assimilation?
Non-biased means fact-based and not a politically motivated representation of the facts. Think of it like reading a study vs seeing what Fox and CNN have to say about the study.
You do know the facts are on the left right? Public healthcare would be more effective at delivery healthcare outcomes across all people.
Link of the facts
Quote "In terms of quality of care, the U.S. ranked fifth, but came in last place in efficiency, equity, and healthiness of citizens’ lives."
If you want to go to a country for the sole purpose of leeching off of their tax payer, you obviously don't care about it at all.
Leaching off the tax payer can't be done in their country if they moved here to do that so they care care about a policy America has implemented. Tell me how do they not care about America again?
It is hard to entice people without offering everything you can imagine for "free".
This is "politically motivated representation of the facts". If you actually wanted to represent the facts you would say it is taxpayer.
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@bmdrocks21
Personal freedom is the the ability to express yourself peacefully without the government or another private individual harming you. It is the ability to make a living for yourself without the government or another individual taking your wealth.
Do you agree this value is shared among other countries?
Well, a lot comes down to speaking English. This makes you a lot more marketable in terms of jobs. Also, being willing to move out of ethnic enclaves gives a lot more income mobility. Immigrants as they come to the US usually make different amounts than natives, either more or less, and a few generations afterwards, they make nearly identical wages. The process takes more generations if you live in ethnic enclaves, which Mexican immigrants tend to do.
What does this got to do with the question I asked about wages?
Yes, non-biased. I don't want this whole assimilation thing being politically-influenced if possible.
What do you mean with non-biased?
The largest reason that Latin American immigrants come to America is because they can make more money and we have a robust welfare system. They don't have to care about our country or like it. They have a huge economic incentive to work here.
Isn't the country made up of their policies they enact so by accepting the welfare system they are accepting the country?
Well, Democrats are trying to fundamentally change America. Conservatives aren't. So, if you are looking for big, fundamental changes to our country, you generally don't like it, and therefore wouldn't vote for a conservative. (I know you'll ask about 'fundamental'. It is calling to change the Constitution. Strict gun control, censoring speech, nationalizing industries, etc.)
Why would an immigrant vote for Conservatives when they are not for fundamental change that can help their lives? As an example public healthcare.
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@bmdrocks21
I told you what I think American values are.
This is not specific:
American values are those of personal freedom and the American dream.
It is like me saying German values are those of personal freedom and the German dream.
I still need to ask what is the German dream. This is comparable because I did ask for specifics. In other words what is the American dream and personal freedom?
Assimilate is learning our language, economically assimilating (wages becoming the same as native-born workers), and respecting American values(liberty, etc.).
Okay learning the language. What do you mean with assimilating with wages? There isn't some equality between wages since people vary depending on their wages. Care to explain this?
If they voted Democrat after a non-biased exposure to "American values", it would still be a positive impact.
Non-biased?
It isn't good for anyone when immigrants can't speak English, live on welfare, and hate America so much that they refuse to leave their ethnic enclaves.
If they hate America so much why would they live here?
Are people hate America which is why they vote Democrat?
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@bmdrocks21
So you are telling me you want to teach immigrants American values without knowing what it is?I don't know, perhaps a large panel of historians can discuss some defining features of America and its people. These things could then be taught in school in a government class or something.
Yeah, I mean I want people to assimilate because it is good for everyone economically. It would also therefore give more influence to a group that (in my opinion) will let them to be more prosperous.
What do you mean by assimilate?
Would the influence be good if they do decide after the education they still vote Democrat?
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@bmdrocks21
Any specifics and an authority who dictates this?American values are those of personal freedom and the American dream.
I do think that the end result of assimilation would be for them to vote Republican.
At least you are being honest. I don't want that and the example you gave can be attained without stating to them they have some nationalist take on America instead simply value education. Less baggage. More time to spend on what makes them happy.
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@bmdrocks21
What are American values and who is the authority on this?they are less incentivized to adopt our values
Assimilating would be to learn our language and adopt our culture.
Then what did you mean with:
I am more concerned about losing Texas.
To me I would say you would like Republicans to win but realize the Democratic position in Texas is growing. That is more tangible than American values. Do you disagree and why?
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@bmdrocks21
Why stop immigration?
Does assimilating mean voting for Republican?
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@bsh1
What is your reasoning?
Can I make creepypasta stuff in the future (This wasn't false scary stuff)?
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I just saw someone's head get blown off. I don't know if I can post the link so I will just explain it:
A man was blowing up a thing (It is a thing you put water on top of it. Pretty much a shit swimming pool). As he is blowing the inflatable thing a child came running in and jump on a side that was already filled up with air and while the man was still blowing in it caused some sort of weird thing. which you don't see, that instead of the air going below his body it went up to his head because the man was blowing upwards and the external force was pushing inside of him which only left one direction for the air to go up into.
Now you might be thinking well there is no way that can be true and I would say how would you know since you haven't seen a person's head get blown up in real life? I guess I am more inclined to believe this is true because I think given the bad camera quality the way people can CGI a fake effect on would be difficult to do. The obvious problem with my position would be what if the person simply used a shite camera with pretty much 2019 CGI techniques? To that the video is really unpopular so for it to be I think spending more money than gaining from it would be a more complicated answer than mine. A person was filming, no one really searches this up which is why I can still find it. I think mine is the simple answer. I don't feel too bad. I don't know if it is because of me playing a ton of video games that depict real-life or I have less of a tendency to get shocked over these things.
I thought it was fake too but I have no real life referance point so I am going to accept this as reality until proven otherwise. If we have an expert in CGI then I would happily give this video to but even at that point I might not want to link it because I would have to breach the privacy of a person to get their qualifications or trust someone won't get negatively harmed by it.
I should really stop searching up f*cked up shite but I can't help myself. I always do it when it is late even before Spooktober.
What do you people think?
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@bsh1
I should really write this down somewhere.He was banned for (a) lying to moderation and refusing to cooperate in moderation's investigation, (b) excessive trolling, and (c) making knowingly false allegations designed to hurt another user on this site. That is very clearly a serious kind of personal attack.
How did you get knowingly making false allegations from "I don't think it would be fair to take them down with me."?
My way of seeing things is that given there is more than one possibility you can't really say you know it was false excluding we can never really know someone's qualitative experience. I guess it could be inductively reasoned but how did you inductively get to that position? You can answer either question or none.
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@Mopac
"You have revealed your superstitious, superficial, and incorrect understanding of Christian theology time and time again. You are simply arrogant."
Lol
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@coal
I don't get it. Can you explain what you just said?
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@TheHammer
Why not only tell bsh1 so someone can know if it actually had an impact or not?
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@Ramshutu
Another thing.
TheHammer didn't even vote for RM
"Supa
Mike
Virt"
The only person who I think could be called an "old" DDO user would be LordLuke. Other than that I don't think the "old" DDO users didn't even bother to show up.
LordLuke voted for RM.
"People
RationalMadman"
This is pure speculation.
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@Ramshutu
I have a particular strong suspicion that this is just an attempt to make it seem like RM was the beneficiary of campaigning, after their preferred candidate(s) didn’t make it and/or lost out for the same reason.
Doesn't TheHammer barely even go on the site. The person only has like 156 forum posts. This part would be questioning if the user even cares to do anything like this.
If someone was added in where is TheHammer's vote for them or if RM was the goal where are the old DDO users voting for him? I guess it is "old" DDO since it isn't really stated who they are. This part was where was the impact.
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@TheHammer
Why not name the people?
(16-?) x = RM would've won.
I wouldn't know if you are telling the truth if you don't state who the people are. That question mark is there for a reason. I don't know because you haven't told me which is why there is an x not a number since your claim is without proof. Care to say?
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@Greyparrot
That's fine I can cite thousands of dumb things he has said to appear dumb.What has he done?
What did I say that you are arguing against?
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@Greyparrot
You blocked me I think about the comment I made on your climate change forum topic.
Trump is dumb means he did bad. I could defend he is dumb as in not intelligent but that doesn't really matter.
Cheated on his wife
He's dumb (I'll call him not intelligent as well)
Link: "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”
Lies
Link: Take your pick from the link.
Given you have talked about the more warmer issues and I much rather hear your evidence behind every single claim. Please do support the claims you made earlier while also telling me I am wrong here followed up by me disagreeing probably.
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@3RU7AL
Okay I understand.The case for a logical-necessity is the only case for DEISM.
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@HistoryBuff
Not defending your definition being circular and not actually defining the word. You didn't show what you said here it showed. You showed you don't even know how to define words. You do know you can simple search Google for a definition right?You defined best as most able to win. I showed how being able to win doesn't mean you aren't a dumpster fire of a candidate. Best in this context would mean doing the most good with the office. Who will improve the country the most. Who will help the most people.
The overton window of the democratic party has shifted massively. Most of the candidate's platforms are copying left wing ideas. That is proof the window has shifted. AOC has millions of followers. There are millions of people who want to hear what she has to say. She advocates for left leaning ideas that go along with this shifted overton window. Do I claim she is solely responsible, no. But if millions of people are listening to what you have to say and you are advocating for the newly popular position, than to argue she is not having an effect seems foolish.
Please bring evidence to support your claims.
You said that being politically effective was passing legislation. There is very little positive legislation getting passed. By your definition then, all politicians are politically ineffective because none of them are succeeding at passing positive legislation. And yet you only want to apply that to AOC.
So you can't find a politician. Okay. I ask you define a word you can't. I ask for evidence you don't deliver. I ask you for specifics yet again you fail. What can you do again? I know one thing provide your feelings.
I checked your link. that was a simple resolution. It does not have the force of law. It is for authorizing the use of an atrium. You really think that is evidence for being politically effective? School councils pass more useful motions than that.
Your claim was "virtually no one has" passed laws but they have. That was all I need to demonstrate you are wrong. You bring in another claim. I'll see if you can even provide evidence for that.
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@HistoryBuff
Best candidate means the one who would do the best job in that role, not who is most likely to be able to get the job.
Circular logic.
Best is best. Sheesh false-equivalence guy doesn't even bother to explain what they mean then they come up with circular logic rather then a more important definition of it.
If it wasn't clear you didn't actually define best. You just said it twice.
Because it is critically important to who would make the best president. Biden's plan is essentially to just carry forward with the flawed policies that brought about Trump in the 1st place. Even if he were electable, which i do not concede, he would still be a terrible choice because he does not want to make significant improvements if given the job.
This follows off your circular please explain it before making more advanced points that you have earlier that you can't even explain. If it wasn't clear you can't even define best without it being circular so I am not going to take your feelings seriously. Still have shown no evidence.
Are you denying that the overton window has moved in the direction she advocates for? Are you denying that millions of americans aren't listening to what she is saying?
Can't provide proof for your claims. Push the burden of proof.
So you don't consider any politician at all to be politically effective? What is the point of categorizing people that way if it doesn't apply to anyone?
Please show me an example of a politician that I don't consider politically effective.
Again, virtually no one has. That is why people like AOC, Sanders, and warren need to change the democratic party 1st.
Amy Klobuchar a politically effective politician enacted a bill as of October 16 2019 at the same running for presidency. What is AOC's excuse again?
Again, no one is passing policy at the moment. So saying she is ineffective because no one is able to do anything is a weird metric to use. Do you have evidence to support the idea that she does not have millions of american twitter followers?
Please there are others passing bills as well. You just don't even bother to look for them. Tell me how are these not your feelings?
Again, if you want to ignore reality, you go right ahead.
Please only one person has. The other person has provided evidence for their claims.
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@HistoryBuff
Are you actually kidding me? You don't define your standard for best then you call what I said a false equivalence? I am not using your standard because I don't know it. I am sure the most important standard as in who is the most electable as best but you don't understand. Care to tell me what you mean by best?Best and most electable is also a false equivalence. Trump was quite electable. He was a terrible, terrible candidate and is now a terrible president. Most of the republicans who ran against him would have been better.
Yes, because many people don't bother to learn what the candidates actually believe and will fight for.
Even if I agree with the bigger platform why even say it when it is not important to who is most electable?
She has been in congress for less than a year. Her power has not been in passing bills, which couldn't get past the republican senate anyway.
Okay so none. Thank you for answering she is politically ineffective.
Her power is in pushing the overton window back towards the rest of the modern world.
I am sorry how has she done that? Please show me a causal link.
Her power is in inspiring over 100 primary challenges to democrats who don't properly represent their constituents. Her power is in inspiring working class people that there are members of congress who don't only care about fundraising and appealing to the right wing.
No one cares. If she isn't passing policy she isn't politically effective. Do you not understand that?
Perhaps you are not familiar with what politics is. it is a popularity contest.
Perhaps you are not familiar with what has done as a congresswoman. Passed no policies.
Having twitter followers is a reflection of someone's popularity. Getting that many people to follow you and listen to your ideas is political effectiveness.
Doesn't mean anything if it can't translate to passing a single policy. Also not even acknowledging that Twitter is a global platform so she can be getting followed by people not even in the US.
The fact that no one wants to listen to most of the other democrats in congress shows that they are ineffective in appealing to voters.
Ineffective to appealing to voters. Please Twitter politics is a minority when comparing them to the people who vote.
There are over 100 primary challengers for democrats so far. Normal is 2 or 3. No one can definitively prove why every one of them chose to run. But AOC is the prime example showing that centrist dems are weak in their own districts and can be beaten by progressives. If you want to pretend like there is no relation between the 2, you can continue to believe that.
I don't care about your feelings. Please give me a causal link if not keep your feelings to yourself because I don't care.
Are you aware of what modern politics has become? Virtually no one in congress has anything they can point to as legislative success lately. You want to be able to point to laws passed when virtually no significant positive laws get passed any more. She is successful in giving energy and drive to the democratic party which they have been completely lacking for years now. You want to restrict success to extremely limited metrics.
Like what I said earlier. You don't evidence nor did you even attempt to show anything. That is the problem. What separates facts from false is the evidence behind. If you don't present anything how am I supposed to verify if you are saying things that are true or false? Refrain from telling me your feelings instead put more effort into proving your statements to be true. I have no reason to contest your feelings with fact because you haven't even presented facts to begin with.
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@HistoryBuff
That is a false equivalence. The best candidate in an election doesn't always win. Often stupid arguments, fear, etc can play a large role and shift support to a worse candidate. For example, Biden (much like the republicans) is trying to make poor people fear getting better healthcare.
How is it a false equivalence? The best candidate is the most electable.
He has far more of a platform than Joe, remember me I worked for Barack, Biden.
Bernie has a bigger platform and still losing?
Whether you like her or hate her, calling her politically ineffective is just an outright lie.
Name me a bill she has passed.
She toppled Joe Crowley, a long time incumbent.
You haven't changed since our last conversation. You are still lying or living in a reality that is fictional.
Joe Crowley didn't even bother to put the effort into campaigning.
She is easily one of the most high profile members of congress.
Twitter followers doesn't equal politically effective.
She is an effective communicator and she has motivated alot of the grass roots base of the democratic party.
I am sorry who did she motivate to win a race? If you can't find a causal link then she didn't motivate anyone.
She has been in office for less than a year and has had more of an impact than most of members of congress.
Like what? Please list her accomplishments. All I see is bad economic takes from a bartender turned congresswoman.
You might believe that is a bad thing, but pretending it isn't happening would show your bias.
Please you have shown your bias here given you didn't even provide evidence for a single claim. If this wasn't your feelings you would have facts to back up your statements but all I see here are feelings. Are you going to lie again about how you feel about AOC or is there evidence behind your statements?
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@3RU7AL
Are you saying it is necessary for the deistic argument?It's a case for the logical necessity (NOUMENON).
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) you don't know everything (THEN) there are things you don't know.(IFF) a human mind is incapable of knowing everything (THEN) there are things you will never know.
How can this be a case for deism? For all we know there is simply a causal reality before the Big Bang that explains everything without the need for a single entity to start it all.
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@bmdrocks21
I am sure that condoms reduce pleasure so I don't see why someone would want to reduce pleasure over being more clean since sex isn't really clean in the first place depending on what you do and besides you can clean afterwards anyway or hope that you cleaned yourself before having sex so that it is actually more on the side of being clean than not so clean sex.For the final one.... ladies sometimes don't like the mess.... lol
But typically "the pill" or depo shots are the most effective and most insurance companies cover a lot of their cost.
I don't know. Guess I have to look at data.
I'm glad we are coming to an understanding. :)
I guess there is nothing more to talk about. Cool ideas that I think would be difficult to implement.
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@bmdrocks21
That would be beneficial so that other people are not fucked for their choices.I was saying that anti-vaxxers must be somehow connected to a recognized mainstream religion. Personally, I think that if that is the route they want to take, they should live in separate communities like the Amish.
Yes, unfortunately these easily avoidable birth defects aren't taken seriously enough. It seems like a common sense bill to me. Sure the implementation might take a bit to work out, but preventing the ruination of someone's entire life is motivation enough for me.
That would be cool.
Your first point was worded a little oddly. I think you are wondering why I make a distinction between "birth control" and abortion. Might just be a force of habit. When I refer to "birth control" I am talking about contraception- things that prevent you from becoming pregnant in the first place. So condoms, shots, and pills that prevent pregnancy are fine by me. Terminating a pregnancy is very rarely acceptable in my opinion.
Oh I did read your statement wrong. My bad. Yeah contraception is the best. I would say birth control pils are better than condoms. Here is a link. Quote "Women and men both report a reduced level of pleasure from sex when using a condom. This is often due to incorrect condom sizing and can often be fixed by switching to a different size, type or brand of condom." Why waste your time find the right condom size when you can use a pill instead?
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@HistoryBuff
Lol. If he was the best he would be winning. He isn't.I don't understand the surprise. Bernie is by far the best candidate from the perspective of a progressive.
I don't think there is any other candidate that would even have been an option except for warren. And she isn't as good as Bernie.
Please leave your utopia at the door and realize winning elections matters more than Bernie, one trick poney, Sanders. Says the same thing and expects to win.
But i'm not sure why you would be surprised that she chose to support the candidate she has the most in common with ideologically.
I am not surprised either. She is so politically ineffective and this cries like to it. Instead of backing the frontrunners she chooses someone gradually declining. I hope she doesn't do some dumb shit when it is Warren or Biden as the Democrats lead. I wouldn't put it past here given like I said before she is politically ineffective but popular for someone. Must be comparable to Trump. Trump was popular enough to win the election but so politically ineffective that his slogan "build the wall" has yet to occur even with a government shutdown while doing it illegally.
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