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@Christen
Irrational comments can be hypocritical if it is inconsistent with their other views but it isn't always the case.And you listed "Irrationality defending your side instead of bringing out rational critiques." as an example of being hypocritical, right?
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@Christen
Pro choice is referring to giving women the option to abort a baby.What if I am pro-choice and against the death penalty?
Death penalty is a state sponsored killing.
They are different.
Does "everyone" include:
criminals?illegal immigrants?foreigners?aliens?animals?sub-humans?insects?bacteria?
Do you want to know where I draw the line?
fetuses?
Yes. Why?
This is why I think people, including myself too since I am guilty of this too, should be careful with words like "everyone" because I'm not sure we would all agree that a cockroach should have the "intrinsic right to life" "the right to bear arms" "the right to free speech" "the right to a free education" and "the right to free healthcare" the same way people do.
My use for everyone were to humans.
Also, when it comes to "rights," it's important to remember that certain rights can be LOST. If a criminal commits a mass murder with a gun, then they lose their second amendment right to bear arms. If someone slanders and defames, then they lose their first amendment right to free speech and are legally penalized. If an unborn baby puts too much burden on it's mother, then it could lose it's "right to life" before it's even born.
That would be under if you do X then you lose X right.
Irrationally defending your side isn't hypocritical. It's stupid, yes, but not necessary hypocritical.
Where did I say it was hypocritical?
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@Snoopy
So people should have the option of not being taxed even though the government resides over the land?I would call that charity. Taxes are imposed upon people.
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@Snoopy
I'll tell you. People are giving a portion of their money to the government. The government uses that money in the hopes of what people need.You either hand over your money, or your wealth is seized, and/or you face some sort of threatening punishment.
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@3RU7AL
Do you think my most recent post to pirates was sufficient?Try this, [LINK]
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I want people to call things what they are. That is my reason. This would be for both of us understanding what we are saying and others reading.Why would you want people to equate socialist policies to socialism?
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I think he would disagree with it if he knew what it actually means given his lack of questioning with what a socialist policy is or not understanding it is a part of socialism not the entire thing.Right, and he is willing to look at it anyway instead of dismissing it out of hand just because it isn't something that a certain group he identfies with (conservatives) might not like on average.
Like I said I disagree with the idea personally but what you are saying demonstrates this guy may not have a red-and-blue mentality, which is a good thing.
I don't believe that. He has shown his biases and his unwillingness to engage or even comprehend how he is wrong. I should really stop helping him understand since it isn't going anywhere.
So yeah. Good for him.
Good for him for agreeing with a good idea but bad for not realizing it is a socialist policy and equating it to socialism.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't really know the guy at all but just based on what you are saying here it sounds like he doesn't look at the world as black-and-white/red-and-blue but instead examines each idea on it's own merit and doesn't dismiss them out of hand because they might be associated with a word that he dislikes.
That word is a problem of his. I can't distinction between a socialist policy and socialism. When I first made that claim then told him to give his take he jumped straight to socialism instead of asking what I mean. I wasn't expecting anything different. Just wanted to see if you know he would ask questions instead of jumping the gun but he didn't.
Good for him. We need more people like that in democratic societies.
Good for who?
The position that he agrees with is more in line with a democratic socialists, neo-liberals and social democrats than a conservative one.
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You told me the effect it has on people.It takes your money, thus making you have to work harder to achieve the same amount.
Tell what occurs during taxes and how they are used.
Are you an anarchist?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay I think the idea in the OP isn't a good idea and I also happen to be against socialism but I have to point out that this is a really stupid post.
Well thanks I guess.
If your reason for disliking a certain idea is that "it sound socialism and socialism bad" then you don't really have a good reason for being against that idea. Show how the actual idea itself is actually bad rather than just dismissing it out of hand because it sounds like something that would be associated with a certain word you dislike.
I wasn't dismissing the idea because it was more socialist than capitalist. I was directing my comment to pirates. He said he liked the idea and I said "Guess you like socialist policies." which would I think go against him being a conservative.
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@3RU7AL
You're simply having some apparent difficulty communicating your indisputable facts.
Was the indisputable facts part a joke?
Do you have a way that can make things easier for me?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Let me explain:
Socialist policy
Social is relating to activities in which you meet and spend time with other people and that happen during the time when you are not working:
An ist is a follower of a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement.
Put them together you get a system of practices which puts first spending and meeting with other people.
A policy is a set of ideas or a plan of what to do in particular situations that has been agreed to officially by a group of people, a business organization, a government, or a political party:
You get a plan to put in place in order to help people meet and spend time with other people.
Socialist policy: Idea put in place in order to benefit people spending time with one another. This can be maternity, paternity leave.
Capitalist policy
Now let me explain a capitalist policy.
Capital: money and possessions, especially a large amount of money used for producing more wealth or for starting a new business:
An ist is a follower of a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement.
Put them together you get a system which prioritizes money.
A policy is a set of ideas or a plan of what to do in particular situations that has been agreed to officially by a group of people, a business organization, a government, or a political party:
Capitalist policy: An idea put in place in order to prioritize money. This can be abolishing the minimum wage and reducing taxes.
Did you get that?
Didn't take you long to resort to insults and name calling, typical of you.
If it is insulting how your comment made me feel. I won't tell you. I'll just demonstrate how you are wrong.
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@Imabench
Any news to report?
I heard Biden was doing bad but in other polls he wasn't.
So....
Thank in advance mister I know how to read poll and I am going to make a DA forum topic and discuss it.
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Please following add the title above or below the link or embedded like I did.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Thank you for making me lose brain cells and not engaging with an obvious problem you have.
In your eyes socialism is bad. So bad you would be irrational about it.
Peace typical Trump supporter. Hopefully Biden wins.
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@Snoopy
Say what tax is in a simple way if you want a reply from me regarding the point.
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is there a difference between a social policy and a socialist policy?I think there's a difference between social and socialism
Is there a difference between a capital policy and a capitalist policy?
Please come back to me. I would like to know how you rationalize this.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Socialist policy.do you honestly believe that "political distribution is owned or regulated by the community as a whole" via government? is the government "the community"?
A capitalist policy would be abolishing minimum wage. This doesn't mean it the state supports the entirety of capitalism. It just means it supports a policy that more closely aligns to capitalism than socialism.
What do you say to that?
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@Christen
Using a source from 1984 and applying it to today's context is impractical and not helpful. It is like me cherry picking homosexuality being amazing because the Roman did it and they did well. They also appealed to right wingers that left wingers believe this because it is from a left leaning news source. Their entire shtick is persuasion over information. If it was the latter I wouldn't get such a bite-size video that he mentions a 1984 paper to be a reliable source to be used to compare what is going on in 2019. I'll happy debunk PragerU for you in a debate because I feel like that is more worthwhile to me than telling my informative arguments here. Sorry if you wanted me to debunk PragerU here. I simply stated obvious concerns.but this comment doesn't actually refute any of PragerUniversity's actual arguments. Just that one statement about a source. In fact, what PragerU says about the minimum wage is pretty much what I'm saying: that if you raise the minimum wage, it usually leads to certain bad outcomes.
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@3RU7AL
No. No moral interpretation simply state what they are.Theft?
A car is a vehicle which gets you to point A to B. This is commonly used by humans to travel.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Search up socialism define:
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Doesn't have to be a control over production to be a socialist policy. Please do read my first common directed at you.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I don't believe schools, k-12 is socialism, if you think it is please show us
Can you please explain the process of how this would occur instead of what you always do is say no? I would like you to say what is clearly obvious but you fail to see it. I just want to see if you haven't delusioned yourself into removing a key component of this entire. Start with funding and end wherever you like but after distributing.
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@3RU7AL
With the $20,000.00 per year per-child funds that are currently being used for public schools.Distributed to the parents of the children (trickle-up economics).
Where is the money coming from? Tell me definition of socialism as well.
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@3RU7AL
Are you a nihilist and a conservative?
No. That guess part was me stating pirates was a conservative.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
letting people group together to hire a teacher etc is a socialist policy?
Please tell me step by step how will these be funded and distributed.
it's their choice, the individuals choice, I don't believe that is socialism, but please, tell me what else I like oh knowledgeable one.
Are you implying socialism equals no choice? I don't like socialism but I don't make a claim like that. Guess it must come with the ideology which is conservatism.
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@PressF4Respect
LolYeah I know you were talking about 100M not 100,000,000MYEET YEET
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@PressF4Respect
Wait what?
I just realized he said that.
You win.
If you did realize I was talking about 100 million not 100,000,000 million.
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@PressF4Respect
T-Series currently has 109 million subscribers.That is very far off from one hundred million million subscribers
Okay then if you say T-series didn't reach 100 million subscribes then you didn't reach birth.
What are you going to say now?
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@PressF4Respect
Yeah I win.It's basically a truism
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@PressF4Respect
Debate me. >:(Actually, both of you are wrong. Neither Pewdiepie nor T-Series has reached 100 million million subs yet, lol.
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@Snoopy
the majority of people care about the climate changing
Stats?
If you are referring to reduction in CO2 emissions, I feel as though its probably too late to reduce them. There are more pressing issues around the world, and they will continue to rise.
Oke.
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@n8nrgmi
Anything more positive? :(people won't care until they see a real impact on their lives. that's how society often does things.... they wait until it's boiling over before doing anything.
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@TheAtheist
Enforcing that rule is wasting money. Working a job with no money with no minimum wage is not enforced by the government.What's the difference between earning $0.00 and earning no money at all? There isn't a single job in the world where you earn less than 0.00
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@Alec
A minimum wage of 0.00 is worse than having more than that. You are basically stripping out the advantages of the minimum wage for a 0.00 enforced minimum wage. A better position would be you want to abolish the minimum wage not have it at 0.00. There is a difference. One is a law enforcing the minimum wage and another isn't.
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@Christen
That PragerU link you gave. Had a source from 1984. Do I need to say more?
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Do you think it is a problem but the majority doesn't care?
Do you think it is too late to stop drastic change?
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@Athias
Pageant: a public entertainment consisting of a procession of people in elaborate, colorful costumes, or an outdoor performance of a historical scene.
Funny way of saying democracy.
George W. Bush was selected to be the president. It's not about "deserving" to win.
Yeah selected by the people who voted for him and the electoral votes.
His family comes from old banking money, which if one does one's research, funded the Nazi campaign
Non-sequitur to him winning by votes.
The atrocities the Bush family is responsible for, particularly the 20th century and early 21st, is quite substantial.
Not an argument against him winning just after the fact he won.
Just so we are clear:
You have a funny way of saying democracy.
Bush won by votes.
What he does that isn't vote tampering like banking and atrocities doesn't make how he won any less fair.
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@TheAtheist
Debate me.T-Series is a company, not a creator. They produce music videos of other performers, they are a production company and not a creator.
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