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@Imabench
Should see this to see what is actually happening.

Biden is still winning and looks the most likely to face Trump.



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Are white South Africans opressed?
I'll wait for the reliable source as well.

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Is Trump blowing it?
Controversy won't beat Trump. It hasn't worked in the past so it won't work in the present. Personally I think Trump would win if Bernie becomes the democrat front-runner. Warren, Biden are I think the only people with a chance against Trump and the most likely to occur. If lets say the polling wasn't bad on other candidates I would also include Yang. 

Bernie will lose because:
Too radical. Wants to eliminate private insurance.

Pete will lose because:
He is gay and we know where the dislike for gays lie.

Kamala will lose because:
Most recent debate she was bad at making Biden look bad. It worked in the first Round but not this one.


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@Alec
Whether or not someone is a racist isin't set in stone.  Some people say Trump is a racist.  Some people don't.
When you say there are racists outside the KKK you admit there are racist. When you question the definition you accepted when making that claim that is a contradiction. Either you don't know what a racist is or there are racists outside the KKK. What side are you on?
A murderer has strong incentive to lie in order to avoid harsh punishment.  There is no legal punishment for being a racist.  If people who have had abortions tell the truth to someone who they trust, then a genuine racist would do the same thing.
There is something called hate crime as in crime aggravated over dislike that can be over race. Want to add more distinctions?
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Pokemon Mafia - Subs Needed
No.
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DA and the fundamental issue of a debate website.
Omar, you are one of the most actively toxic users here. I have seen you pick fights totally being the one who insults, provokes and every single toxic thing first. 
Who insults first then tell me how much I had to endure only to end up with a poor ending?
Don't play the victim here, you are very much the problem and not the solution.
Tell me which part of what I said laid it out I was the victim. I'll wait. 
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@Alec
There are racists outside of the KKK, but what counts as a racist? 
You have already agreed there are racists outside the KKK but don't know what a racist is?
In my book, someone has to say they are racist for it to count.
So is a murderer still a murderer if he/she doesn't say so? 
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DA and the fundamental issue of a debate website.
What I mean by leaving for something better is something that might or might not be a debate site. This can be gardening.

I personally think this site can never really be fun. If someone is having fun then they are not really using a debate site. When you argue with people it tends to get heated. That heat can turn into dislike and would reduce the level of enjoyment on the site.

Most conversation is a popularity contest. It doesn't matter if you were right. If people didn't perceive you to be right society will not have you as the winner. That is mainly the problem with any kind of conversation. You are doomed from the start given if you have no good way to appeal to the crowd or some standing that helps you win.

Doubt that would ever me mended the debate site part and the society part. 


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What's up with all the mass shootings & terrorism in USA?
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@Mharman
That's not what I did. I just read the list from top to bottom, not realizing it was in alphabetical order.
Why did you state something when you didn't check if you interpreted it in a good way?

That doesn't mean guns should be banned though.
Why not?

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@Mharman
ok I read that wrong.
Do you not see that as a problem? You instinctively thought the data would support your worldview instead of seeing the data without your biases. Of course it is difficult to remove all biases but you sure you are doing your best to eliminate as much when trying to look at data fairly?
That doesn't mean guns should be banned though.
Why not?
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Any good ways to find information other than google
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@Snoopy
Library has less information and is less accessible.

A class would be good. A specific one in mind would help Trent if you know it.

American politics is well something. It is best to see documents like what you said by yourself then see people applying it. If you like how the right are applying then be on their side. If you like how the left are applying it then be on their side.

A good debate wouldn't necessarily mean it will occur.

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@Alec
While homeschooling tends to be right wing, most parents aren't racist.  There are only 5000 Klan members and many don't have families. 
There can be racists outside the KKK. Do you agree with this?
There are about 3 million  homeschool kids.  The academic benefits of homeschooling outweigh the slim odds of developing a racist kid.
You haven't given fair numbers on how many racist parents there are. 

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What's up with all the mass shootings & terrorism in USA?
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@Mharman
Are you reading the data wrong.
In this link:

The United States has a total of (including homicide, suicide, unintentional and undetermined) 12.21 per 100,000 whereas Australia has 1.04 per 100,000. There is a massive difference there. 

If you were talking about just guns the United States as 120.05 guns per 100,000 whereas Australia 13.70 guns per 100,000. 

Can you clarify what you said in your earlier comment?
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@Trent0405
Thanks, just checked out "google scholar" and it seemed to filter out a lot of unrelated, useless, garbage you find on Google.
Make sure you know which one is the most reliable. I wouldn't know personally how to do this so ask others. I would ask first Virtuoso because I see him  use citations which often leads to people using Google Scholar. If that doesn't work simply ask blamonkey, Ramshutu. Ragnar or some other people on the top 5 of the debating leaderboards to be more informed on the topic. 

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@Trent0405
If you want to see lets say information about medicare polling.

Search medicare polling.
Try to find the most reliable site.
Use that.

You can use Google Scholar but someone else I am sure would know how to use it better. 

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DA and the fundamental issue of a debate website.
the most likely person to vote on a debate is someone who hates a debater debating in it. Prove me wrong, don't start denying this.
Guess I don't hate anyone I think.

Guess Ramshutu bad and debate sites bad. 

The best thing to do is leave. Not worth being near what you consider bad. Eventually you will find something else and maybe it will be better. That is my advice. I should leave as well but well maybe. I just been doing really little so that a transition is easier to whatever it is I'll leave too. 
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Right handed or Left handed?
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@Mharman
That wasn't true Christianity. I think your teachers were sinning here.
What is true Christianity? 
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@Mharman
I am going to say that there is a disproportionate amount of left-handed people on this site.
Maybe
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Right handed or Left handed?
Lefty. Woooo.
F*ck righties. I say we force them to use their left hand or maybe not. 

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Robots could take 20M manufacturing jobs by 2030, report claims
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@Dr.Franklin
No some people are screwed.

Capitalism is cool if it is useful. It is the most useful to the rich. Robots are going to be peak performance in making money. Therefore the rich would probably use robots. If they keep it then everyone else is screwed. Maybe it will happen or maybe it won't. I don't really care even though I kinda should given it could impact me but whatever. 
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Thoughts on these topics?
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@Tejretics
If it wasn't clear very rarely apart from foundational discussions there aren't two right answers. Instead the issue lies in what people value the most. If they both value the same things then there can't be two winners. If both have different values then I can see both of them winning. The problem I found is that different value debaters doesn't give a clear winner only people who share the same values.

The same values that really matters when assessing who won is that if they both share the same measurement to consider a winner. If they do the other values do not matter and there will be a winner if the debate actually finishes. 

Debates are about who wins and losses given the arguments. Since it is a popularity contest the winner won because he was able to gain the most votes or in the real world had the most cheers. Given this debates are not helpful in being informative specifically or a way to have ideas heard in an environment were you are able to interact with data without external influence. Sure you can't remove all external influence but people cheering is definitely a problem when trying to understand what people are saying or when seeing a similar votes to one side deciding who won which does impact your view on the debate.

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Are blacks the worst debaters
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@Mharman
Yes. Because who is to define what hate speech is? 
Moderators of the site.
This was obviously a dumb joke but he got banned for it anyways. 
What separates calling a black person the n-word from forcing them to call you master?
Who is to define what's racist and what isn't?
Who is to state there is a God or isn't? You state these questions yet you don't question them when it comes to other contexts. It almost like you are inconsistent in your views. Where are these questions levied at Religion and Republicans?
This is merely a restriction on free speech.
Like shouting fire in a crowded theater. What is your point?
People should have a right to say what they want to say, no matter how horrible it is. 
Why should that right be valued over someone use words to negatively impact people's lives?
They should not be forced to testify against their own beliefs.
Are you against the entire legal system?
A criminal doesn't commit a crime if they don't believe in what they are doing. 
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@Castin
My response is still the same.

Lol I'm joking, he's totally banned. So, so racist. So, so banned.
If you asked bsh1 who Average was and then asked him directly what was his ethnicity you would have found. I have evidence of him stating he is black as in Average.

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@Dr.Franklin
Guess you have actually lost your mind. There isn't much difference when you did give something to work with apart from now other right wingers can't defend bad arguments if they are not on their side. 

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@Dr.Franklin
It has nothing to do with iran,but ISIS
How about the first question?

Can you measure the force that is ISIS?
Example:
X amount of troops.
X amount of weapons.
I couldn't care about Russia. I'll be more interested when they actually do anything important or when you can't defend ISIS being a problem. 
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@Dr.Franklin
Let me copy my question again:

Same with Iran,right?, if we didn't send troops in Syria, the casualties would be at a million already
And that's US's problem how? 
If you didn't realize this section was about Iran and Syria. 

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@Dr.Franklin
Because we don't need ISIS threating more people and Russia getting more power
Can you measure the force that is ISIS?
Example:
X amount of troops.
X amount of weapons.

What does got to do with Iran?

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@3RU7AL
That is a lot to go through.
I don't want to spend time on it.
Agree to disagree I guess. 
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@3RU7AL
Manslaughter is the unintentional killing of another citizen.
Who said I have a problem with the manslaughter charge? I didn't. 
You said:
Most miscarriages are preventable.  (IFF) an embryo is a citizen (THEN) a preventable miscarriage is manslaughter.
If a miscarriage is preventable it is not a miscarriage.
Some lifestyle habits – such as drug abuse, alcohol use during pregnancy, and smoking – have been found cause early miscarriage and pregnancy loss in later trimesters. Optimizing your health leading up to your pregnancy could help reduce your risk of miscarriage. "Up to half of pregnancies are unplanned, which means women are often not best prepared for pregnancy when it occurs," Dr. Zobel says. "Most women do not realize that they are pregnant until a couple weeks after their missed period. By that time, the fetal spinal cord has already been formed and the heart is beating. Preparing for pregnancy by modifying diet and exercise, limiting stress, optimizing chronic medical disorders, and beginning prenatal vitamins is ideal for all pregnancies. [LINK]
If they don't nor have access to this information then it is not their fault. Fault lies with people who know what they are doing is bad yet they still do it. 
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@Dr.Franklin
Same with Iran,right?, if we didn't send troops in Syria, the casualties would be at a million already
And that's US's problem how? 

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@3RU7AL
De facto protection for abortion stems from a right to privacy. [LINK]
I am not advocating for the against abortion that leads to more privacy concerns. A slippery slope fallacy is still a slippery slope fallacy. Free speech is not actually defended in the United States because people are not able to simply state they want to murder someone but that hasn't led to other violations because of it. Republicans will have the power to do so anyway and by the looks of it they will remain in power given the next election cycle so they are still going to do it. I am not for that. Doesn't mean there can't be a system where the US has an anti-abortion stance yet maintain other privacy. 
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@3RU7AL
Fact: the rights of citizenship begin at birth.
Should it stay a right or are you going to cower behind muh law instead of making an argument?
It is an unpleasant choice that is less-bad than many of the alternatives.
Oh so you were triggered over my framing and still want to discuss. Okay. 
I appreciate your dime-store psychoanalysis.
Worth more than your cold takes. Muh hypocrite. Muh liar. Muh because the law said so.
I'm pretty sure it's a private matter between a woman and her doctor.
I have already shown a therapist example and you would have to show that either a fetus is not a life or privacy is more valuable. 
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@3RU7AL
Mostly because the rights of citizenship begin at birth.
Doesn't mean that right is just or should be upheld. Do you have something more to go on?
I'm pretty certain they call themselves "pro-choice".  Nobody is advocating for mass abortions.  Nobody wants people to have abortions.

They are simply arguing that it should be an option.  It is an unpleasant choice that is less-bad than many of the alternatives.
Clearly semantics or I don't know you are triggered by some framing. I am pretty sure that the majority democratic stance is if they need an abortion then they should have it which goes for every single abortion occurring right now and in the past. 
The Supreme Court’s decision finding a right to privacy arose in a 1965 case involving the right of a married couple to use contraception called Griswold v. Connecticut.  But the right has become responsible for court decisions supporting adult rights to sexual intimacy, to gay marriage, and to the rights of parents to make family decisions, such as whether their children are home-schooled or go to religious schools. The right to privacy also supports an adult’s right to decide their medical care, and an adult’s right to die, by rejecting medical care in certain circumstances. This medical care area also implicates the rights and autonomy of the physically disabled and the mentally ill. Further, the right to privacy can support artificial insemination. And transgender individuals have used privacy to argue that schools cannot ban them from certain bathrooms, and that government must generally support their gender identity choices. 
Where was the part that being against abortion impacts this again?
Most miscarriages are preventable.  (IFF) an embryo is a citizen (THEN) a preventable miscarriage is manslaughter.
Any evidence?
The definition states: the spontaneous or unplanned expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently.
So if you were proving anything you would be proving that it wasn't a miscarriage instead was intentional fetus killing or something.
It does not really matter whether a woman is pro- or anti-abortion. In states like Tennessee, with its freshly passed anti-abortion amendment, you can be arrested for having a miscarriage.
Am I supposed to be for this or something? I am not given the definition that is "spontaneous" or "unplanned". If a miscarriage is preventable it is not a miscarriage.
An alarming number of women are being arrested, prosecuted and jailed just for losing their pregnancies. In addition to anti-abortion measures, you can thank the advance of “personhood” fights for embryos, fetuses and even fertilized eggs for that. 
Guess more filler. What were you trying to show with this again?
Being anti-abortion = anti patient-doctor confidentiality.
If I said I was going to murder a bunch of people to a therapist and carefully laid out how I would do it. Are you telling me the therapist would not speak to the proper authorities regarding what I just said?
You would have to demonstrate how anti-privacy in this specific context is more valuable than a life either by showing a fetus isn't a life or anti-privacy is more valuable.
What happens inside a woman's body (sovereign territory) is her business.
What do you consider sovereign territory?
Why should what she want be valued more than what is inside of her?
Please provide an example of something that happens inside a woman's body that is NOT her business.
An abortion. It requires the business of lets say planned parenthood given the authority to do so by the government. Her business is only granted by the state. She wouldn't have it without the state and even if the state gave her the right she still has to use the facilities given by the government to commit to an abortion. If it was her business she wouldn't need the government to make it happen but she does.
Are you assaulting or murdering a person in a foreign sovereign territory?
Fetus. What do you consider a person then?
Here's the problem. [LINK]
A crooked system is a crooked system. Do you think I am for a crooked system?
Are you suggesting we are in danger of running out of children?
No. In order for there to be people to take part in a democracy we require people. 
Please dial back the hyperbole.  You are free to make as many babies as you see fit.
It wasn't hyperbole. It is what would actually occur or you think non-existent hyperbole then I can't help you.
Calling me out for the hyperbole yet you started it? Isn't that hypocritical?
You said: 
Suggesting that every embryo should be granted the full rights and protections of citizenship from conception essentially criminalizes miscarriage and eliminates all personal privacy.
"eliminate all personal privacy"
Hypocrite and a liar. 
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New main page
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@DebateArt.com
I can find some free pictures online if you want.

Oh okay.
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@DebateArt.com
Do you have a response to what club said?

It would be a good feature. 
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@DebateArt.com
What the hell is the icon suppose to represent on the top right? 

The bottom section is great. Icons looks appealing while also giving enough relevant information not too much to bore people to death. Don't know if the blue and orange are the best combo but it is better than other color combos. 

Just some nitpicks:

"DebateArt.com is the best online debating platform created with a single purpose to give anyone a chance to test themselves in debates and improve argumentation and eloquence skills."

Can your add in "with the chance to"... improve argumentation and eloquence skills? I think without that it is kind of misleading given that people like Mopac, Greyparrot, Pirates, Stephen etc haven't really changed so it isn't a given.

"In order to meet the highest standards of content quality, a team of community approved moderators work days and nights to make sure that intellectual intercourses stay intellectual."

In order to meet the highest standards of the site that are self-imposed, a team of moderators approved by me work tirelessly to make sure standards are applied equally to the best of their ability. 

One last thing. Have your name right at the bottom of the page. Like "if you have any further questions direct message me or create a forum post directed at me. My name is DebateArt.com"

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@Dr.Franklin
Guess you can't read. 
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@Dr.Franklin
There you are again,with these "games"
Guess you don't understand simple concepts. Come back to me with a rebuttal or you know actually understand what I just said. 

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@Dr.Franklin
Why are you playing these games, show me the wholesome evidence please
I said correlation is not causation. Do you not understand that?
That means you would have to show the death penalty does cause life saving but you can't which is why you ask me show proof. I don't need to for your point to be lacking. 
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@3RU7AL
Every human life is precious (after they're born).
Why make the distinction when they are born?
There is no "right to an abortion".  Nobody is "pro-abortion".
Do I need to quote democratic presidential nominees on right to an abortion to take my claim actually hold anything or do you realize how easy it is for me to do?
Every single relevant democratic nominee is pro-abortion as in they want people to have a right for an abortion given they support it.  
The original ruling simply affirmed doctor-patient confidentiality.  A woman and her doctor should be free to make private decisions about medical procedures and treatments.
Who says being pro or against abortion runs the risk of patient confidentiality? Can you demonstrate how it is actually impacted by either being pro or against abortion?
Suggesting that every embryo should be granted the full rights and protections of citizenship from conception essentially criminalizes miscarriage and eliminates all personal privacy.
Miscarriage is used to state something that wasn't the fault of the women occurred. We don't use it to blame women because of what they do not have control over.

"eliminates all personal privacy" Do you consider this an exaggeration or I am actually not seeing how everything is lost because of it?
Are you pro-privacy or anti-privacy?
Whether you are pro or anti abortion it doesn't impact the privacy. Unless of course you selectively frame the discussion like what if the women wanted to get an abortion but lacked the privacy from the state given the law that states any kind of asking for abortion will be reported? Bearing in mind being against abortion doesn't equal anti-privacy.
There's also a matter of jurisdiction.
Like with anything that is connected to law. What is your point?
What happens inside a woman's body is her business.
No it isn't. It never was it never will be. Whatever I do that has an impact on another does require you know the proper authority to get involved. If lets say I assault or murder a person. I require a jail about what I did given the states value of life. It might be just implied but the government does have a part to play in bringing in the new generation. If it didn't democracy would fail given everyone would be dead. 


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@Dr.Franklin
From a person who doesn't even know what it is required for an argument. 
I don't need to show counter evidence to show how bad your evidence is. Did you understand that or maybe like what you have shown in the past you don't?
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@Dr.Franklin
I don't need to state your point is wrong. 
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@Castin
I let it slide because it was not a personal attack on a user, and the wording of the CoC is pretty explicit that it must be.
Average12 in the debate I gave above is black. Master was used to state the authority and power slave masters had over their slaves. 

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@bsh1
Hate speech is treated as an aggravating factor when other violations of the COC are present. Hate speech is not itself a violation of the COC unless it is being used to personally attack a specific user or users.
So Hate speech is not attacking a specific group instead a specific indivdual?

If you didn't know he said to a black person to call him master. In this debate: https://www.debateart.com/debates/1179

Going to change your response or is it still the same?



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@bsh1
Isn't this against the rules? 

c. Hate Speech

Slurs or invective against an entire class of people (such as racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, transphobic, ageist, and ableist slurs, or slurs against religious, political, ethnic, or national groups) are prohibited when aimed against other users. Whether aimed against other users or not, hate speech is treated as aggravating factor in weighing moderation responses to other violations of the COC. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc., is not a legitimate excuse for hate speech.
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@Dr.Franklin
Correlation is not causation.
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@Snoopy
Dr.Franklin doesn't know what he is talking about. He parrots from his idols instead of actually realizing that in order for your claim to be true the data would have to support it. When you make the claim like the death penalty reduces homicides and your data doesn't support this. You know there is a problem with what the person is doing either parroting from idols or doesn't even know how to support his claim. Hopefully it is the first and I think it is. 
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DART Weekly Poll #1 - Superheroes
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@Vader
Q1
Which Superhero would you want to be?

Spider-Man

Q2
Which superpower would you want to have?

Teleport

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Marvel or DC?

DC

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Favorite Superhero Movie?

Sam Raimi Spider-Man 1

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Least Favorite Hero?

Green Lantern

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Favorite Villian?

The Joker

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Do you believe that the villains are sometimes right in the story?

In terms of their standard. Yes. In terms of socially agreed upon right and wrong then no.
Personally I think they do more harm than good so they are mostly wrong.

Q8
If you could live any Superheo Universe, which one?

New York in Spider-Man's universe
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@Wylted
Above. 

The first part. 
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