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@DBlaze
I don't need to look anything up or prove anything.
You don't understand how to make an argument then. In order for your claim to be substantial it requires evidence.
The fact that someone did, what I would call, opposition research on who's supporters are smart and who's are dumb is what is nonsensical, and then reporting it to further divide the country is what makes me mad, and it should upset you too. These people are so far up their own asses that they have to do research to try and understand who these people are that did the unthinkable, which to them is voting for Trump.
No evidence given and since you don't think evidence is necessary guess this is your feelings then.
The minds of a group of Never Trumpers:How can people be so dumb? Lets do a dumb test and pick a state or an area that we know will work in our favor. Give them some survey questions and some basic elementary educational questions. Then we will ask them if they voted for Hillary or Trump. Then if the evidence supports our hypothesis, we will post it for all to see, and it will get reported by MSM. If it does not support our hypothesis, we just won't post it.
Evidence?
Whatever this test was is biased, just like the polls.
Biased doesn't mean it is wrong. The burden is on you to state this bias has changed the facts.
I know this because everything that never Trumpers do is skew things to make Trump look bad and further divide the country.
You don't know. If you did you would be able to provide information as in evidence to prove that you know anything.
They did this in 2016, and it contributed to their own demise, and they have not learned their lesson.
I am going to keep saying it even though you value feelings over facts. Evidence?
Here is the photo of the caged kids.
What does this prove? New source/s used this bad evidence to support their claim? This had nothing to do with the topic at hand and this shows you are able to provide evidence but are not able to provide evidence debunking the opening statement. So in this context you do value facts but when you can't find facts that prove what n8nrgmi is saying is wrong you don't care.
When I said self defeating, what I meant was, she defeated herself by saying that.
Okay.
She thought that most of the country would see things her way, but she was wrong in the electoral vote, which democrats are now trying to get rid of.
Evidence of any of this?
The electoral vote makes sense though, and just because they lost, they believe it doesn't make sense and are spinning things to try and prove it.
So basically let me say what you are saying and tell you why the way you are replying back is bad:
The electoral vote doesn't make sense though, and just because they won, they believe it does make sense and are sniping thing to try and prove it.
I simply copied what you said and changed a few words. Since you did not explain how the electoral college makes sense or provide evidence that the democrats wanted to remove it. I don't have to provide evidence to counter what you are saying because your burden is not fulfilled.
They said Trump would not accept the results of the election if he lost and chastised him for it, but guess who is not accepting it now?
Evidence?
Any way they can they are trying to undo the 2016 election.
Evidence?
Do you think republicans would have acted this way? Not on your life.
You don't have a leg to stand on with this. There are countless examples which just the last DNC president.
Now they are saying that they cannot charge the President because you cannot indict a sitting president
This is a complete joke. Nixon was impeached and he stepped because both Republicans and Democrats impeached him and if he did they would have removed him anyway.
while I think that is true for some weird reason..,.
Why?
Everything else I didn't address because I didn't know what you were talking about.
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@bsh1
How about change DART to DA?
Make it shorter or have separate forum topics.
Example:
Beginners guide to forums.
Beginners guide to debating.
Site Jargon/acronym
FAQ
Having it all at one place can be quite daunting to read and having it at different places can give people choices to pick what they want instead of reading the debating guide when they are not going to debate or reading the forum guide when they are not going to be on the forum pages.
I have more but I'll stick to that for now.
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@Outplayz
it's been in the works for i don't know more than 20 years of my life, all of my life, this is what i have believed. Before knowing what belief even means.
It doesn't mean it is actually true. Doing something for 20 years can correlate you know what you are talking about but is that know correct. I can know how to farm lets say on World of Warcraft and never used to use social media to find the best strategy. After lefts 14 of playing it I finally go to social media and realise WOW people collectively have found a better strategy to farming than I ever did. Basically you are the WOW player and social media is a medical profession whatever it may be.
Me personally, i would rather watch a movie like yours than watch someone like him.
Even if you don't want to watch Elon you have to understand how much more important he is compared to me.
Do you honestly believe... even if you find it insignificant, that others find it insignificant?
It is like saying 2 is more than 1 but wouldn't someone find enjoyment in 1? Yes they would but 2 is still more than 1.
What people don't grasp is my belief... you are critiquing the platform before understand the belief part. If i am an infinite being having finite experiences... what does that truly mean? If i live to 100... what is that to the infinite self? Nothing right? How many times can i live as Elon, how many times can i be Superman? How many times can i be the top of the top? In an infinite existence... would i never have the urge to just be something insignificant? I can answer all of these for myself... but my answers don't apply to you.
I am not talking about an infinite universe. I am talking about a finite universe. Who would you rather be me or Elon?
I don't think we know what the norm "truly" believes yet.
The majority of people believe in Christianity or Islam.
then it would be logical for people that are more evolved to come here when it's more evolved. Another topic that's hard to explain through typing though.
Don't think you said something disagreeing me saying false hope is bad hope.
I would have expected you to say the whole i'm god part
Must have missed that. Guess you must be a bad God because you are not the president.
My beliefs don't matter... it's all about who you believe you are and what character you'll play.
I can see what you are saying because I play video games but there are many hurdles in a persons life so this reduction is unfair to people that have an awful life and can't really play the character they want to play.
Everything rewarding comes with a great risk
That is a lie that people tell people. Something risky will lead to negative consequences down the line whereas playing it safe doesn't lead to consequences specifically because of you playing it safe.
you should work on getting over that fear of the unknown.
I am not fearful of the unknown but more so doing something then realising I don't enjoy it. I think that happens a lot and if I keep on doing more new things more likely than not I will get bored of that also.
But... as i hope you're realizing, i don't get to define anything for you... fun is what you define as fun.
Fun is what you enjoy.
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@Outplayz
Tim Pool and David Pakman are going to have a debate. Yes David is going to expose him like how he exposed Richard Spencer. Here is something that I think will occur with Tim Pool.
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@Outplayz
Don't be one of those progressives... how is that a bad word other than people decide to label themselves it that you disagree with?
carefully, often in a way that suggests that you do not like change https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/conservatively
Conservatism is always the movement against progression. Not trying to improve society instead remain the same. Sure they don't agree with it themselves but if they are doing well they don't want others to do well which is why they are not progressives. This is mainly due to their economic status but Religion does also have an impact even though I think Jesus advocated more on the lines of socialism or communism instead of capitalism but I am not a Christian who interprets their Bible in the way they want to.
If you've ever read the 48 laws of power... there is a specific manipulation tactic i he's using. Appear less intelligent than your mark, your mark will drop its guard. He's intelligent enough to have gotten a business going... so, i just wonder how much of it is a show.
It is not difficult for people to confirm their biases. You don't have to be clever to do so you only need to confirm their biases. Which is why he is relevant because of the people who just want to hear what they want. I don't know how he got to a position to own his own business but I don't think he owns one. He has a YouTube channel and he rents out I think areas to host shows. I am sure Pakman mentioned it in this video. If you wanted to know the person who I would consider the best left wing commentator even though he spends most of gaming would be the person Pakman is talking to.
Of course they will be required... i just want them to get paid.
They will. I don't see how even communism won't pay them so socialist policies would definitely pay them.
Doctors deserve their high pay
Well is a banker deserved screwing over people less fortunate than him in order to get a raise? I think you won't say he does deserve high pay but with doctors I think I am more so worried about the hours. I think they work for too long and the money is not really an issue even if it gets reduced to like 5k which I don't think it will but worst case scenario their pay might get dropped or private sectors that are still open would pay them more but a job at the public sector would be assured because a doctor is always needed whereas the private sector is for people who are well off in life and if they open up in a poor area they are not going to get too much business and would be forced to close down.
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@Outplayz
Yes... these two annoy the heck out of me, especially Tim Pool. Dave Rubin is an idiot for sitting in front of Shapiro and letting him talk down about him being gay... can't believe he calls someone a friend that won't be with him in his happiest moments.
Watch this to find out how incapable Dave Rubin is to find out people who are not completely radical in the bad way.
I did watch Tim Pool but then watched someone else. Realised liberals who spend most of their time being anti-SJW's who spend most if not all time ragging on the left and not even saying anything about the right are not really liberals instead people hiding their power levels as the conservatives they are. Tim Pool is one example. I haven't even heard him say anything bad about the right instead he constantly berates the side he is on. Sure he does show a minority of reasons why he votes for the left but his videos are based on attacking the left.
Yes. I also saw Kyle's video on this. I get my news from Yahoo mainly.
Wow. That is really old. I thought MSN Yahoo were pretty much d*ad but guess people still use it.
i've noticed there are more conservatives in the comments, there are progressive and other comments too. It's the new age newspaper that allows people to lambaste the article. It's pretty cool.
Those conservatives probably voted for Trump or too young to vote. I think those conservatives outnumber the progressives in the comments.
I'm curious how that has led you to think i have a big ego. Can you explain?
I don't think I am important to think I am a star of my own movie. I know that Jeff Bezos is much more of a star and for you to think everyone is their own main character pretty much removes the meaning of the word. If everyone is the main character no-one is. In movies there are only a select few whose stance matters with the story. It would be boring to look at people who simply stay inside all day or do their 9 to 5 job. I think you need to be knocked down a peg to think everyone is their own movie. Most movies would be pretty bad then and you should watch American Psycho. It is actually a really fun movie. Make sure you are watching it by yourself.
Also, how would you define a cult?
a religious group, often living together, whose beliefs are consideredextreme or strange by many people:
So basically don't go around having slavery legal or other far-fetched ideas that the norm does not agree with.
Wouldn't spreading a religious idea where people take control back while maintaining hope be a good thing?
False hope is bad hope. Sure it can make people happy but eventually a revolution will start like in past France where they murdered the Monarchy. The frenches well violent tendency has not stop when you have people in yellow jackets starting a revolution also. This was caused by Religion and example of false hope which eventually got bloody. Hope should be measured not something unattainable or making good out of an awful position.
So my ego can be both a positive and negative. But that's just side note in that i'm not denying it, i'm still curious how you came to that conclusion.
The movie part mainly.
Yes, i've seen American Pyscho... but i don't see the similarities to what you're saying. I don't remember the movie enough to remember details.
I advise to watch it again. His ego is based on material wealth. If he is not perceived well by others him internally doesn't matter. You are taking the position that everyone has the same movie as in they are all important but that is not the case.
I've had my YOLO moments and they've made me personally better. It's not a bad thing. But, that's not what i meant really anyways. I don't mean go to Havasu get totally drunk on a boat and screw a girl in one of the chambers... although i'd recommend that. I just mean don't focus too much on the future. Just imagine a plan, or make a plan, and push towards it. Just remember to have fun.. however you define fun.
Not a risk taker because it would be foolish to do something dangerous. I don't want to commit harm or potentially do so for a maybe I might know what I want to do with my life.
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@DBlaze
No they are not, they are stats from a sample size.... They are not like fact, like gravity is a fact.
From the sample size it is a fact that "Trump voters, on average, performed more poorly than Hillary Clinton supporters on a standard test widely regarded as a good indicator of intellectual ability."
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tell me how it is self-defeating.
I am comparing N8 calling half the country stupid to Clinton calling half the country deplorable.
He was parroting data which said on average a sample size of Trump supporters were less educated than a sample size of Hillary supporters.
Are you saying that what she said wasn't self defeating? It is one thing that contributed to losing the race for Presidency. And she said it during her campaign, not before.
Prove that this was a contributor.
How was that statement made by Hillary self-defeating and do bring in the definition of self-defeating as well?
That was an assumption based on his uneducated base position.A person can be uneducated without being an inbred who has no social skills. You basically made a remark that is not logical to what the person who made this topic brought up. Even this assumption is far-fetched.Why would anyone choose to measure that statistic?You can find reasons why the data is like that. That is why people try to find reasons in data. You make it seem as though every single data is not used to find out why this occurs.
You basically copied what I said and didn't reply. Are you going to reply to what I said?
Because that is what they do. They say things and report things that support their agenda. This applies to all MSM.I don't want to talk about generalisations when this is about one specific topic. Can you prove the data here was distorted?The left says they do not judge people by their beliefs, yet you are doing exactly that. Putting people in the dumb group. That is hypocritical.This does not matter too much but evidence?And what I am saying is your researchers are biased, and nothing they say should be taken seriously, including that "quote" above.Biased doesn't mean wrong. The burden is on you to state that this bias is impacting their research so much that it is distorting data like you said earlier on.This was just a side note, not proof of anything.1 out 4 paragraphs were dedicated to a "side note". You could have easily removed that if you are incapable of defending your stance but you didn't. Do you want to change what your anecdote represents?
You quoted me again without responding to what I said. Are you going to respond?
No I don't. I am saying I hope they do.
Where is the "hope" in what you said? You basically said "I agree, they will not stop, but sooner or later, people will catch on, and they will be, and have been losing a lot of viewership due to that fact.". You said "fact" as in not at the very least not "hope" which means you require evidence for it to be so. Do you have any?
It is not news, it is more speculation, some "news" outlets do it more than others.
Yes they are news. It is a a report of recent events (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/news) since the Barr stuff is recent events your claims that it isn't news is wrong therefore I require more than just no it isn't news or you can concede this point. I don't know what you are talking about after "It is not news" so I won't talk about it.
He is talking about a hardly comprehensive test that concluded "is considered a good indicator of general cognitive ability," the researchers note.This is not fact, yet he is taking it as fact, and spreading it around. I don't need research and people to tell me what to believe, backing it up by crap research projects, and statistics that have been skewed so people like N8 can spread this around and try to make people feel like they are in the dumb category. This is the same thing that Russia did, only the other way around. Might as well include him in the Russian interference.
Completely nonsensical. The claim wasn't that the cognitive ability was objectively good instead it is a fact on average with the sample size Trump supporters are less intelligent than Hillary supporters with that specific test. You can't deny that and if you do you are pretty much denying data to be factual. Then you state it is a "crap research" without proving it then you say "statistics that have been skewed" then you say "include him (n8nrgmi) in the Russian interference." This in no way provides a points for you because you are unable to point the flaws of the test instead make some claims you have not supported with no evidence.
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@DBlaze
It is a statement coming from a poll, a statistical poll that is not based on fact. Therefore, there is no evidence to support or contradict, that is why it is wrong for you to spread it as fact. I am not saying that what I say is fact, either.
So polls are not factual?
It self defeated Clinton, it did not help her to call half the country deplorable, it made them dislike her even more. If people were on the fence, this probably put many in the Trump category. I don't know why I had to explain that.
You said "calling people deplorable" is self-defeating. This does not in anyway address that. You don't understand for something to be self-defeating it would mean the person saying something contradicts what they are saying or doesn't help them. You have not told me the intention behind Clinton saying deplorable instead accepted as something that did not help her win half the country. You didn't provide evidence to state the intent behind statement and evidence of what occurred later on that made it self defeating.
That was an assumption based on his uneducated base position.
A person can be uneducated without being an inbred who has no social skills. You basically made a remark that is not logical to what the person who made this topic brought up. Even this assumption is far-fetched.
Why would anyone choose to measure that statistic?
You can find reasons why the data is like that. That is why people try to find reasons in data. You make it seem as though every single data is not used to find out why this occurs.
The analytics crew, or polling crew made a hypothesis and distorted findings or picked and chose ways to make that hypothesis seem feasible.
How is the data distorted?
The left says they do not judge people by their beliefs, yet you are doing exactly that. Putting people in the dumb group. That is hypocritical.
This does not matter too much but evidence?
And what I am saying is your researchers are biased, and nothing they say should be taken seriously, including that "quote" above.
Biased doesn't mean wrong. The burden is on you to state that this bias is impacting their research so much that it is distorting data like you said earlier on.
This was just a side note, not proof of anything.
1 out 4 paragraphs were dedicated to a "side note". You could have easily removed that if you are incapable of defending your stance but you didn't. Do you want to change what your anecdote represents?
I agree, they will not stop, but sooner or later, people will catch on, and they will be, and have been losing a lot of viewership due to that fact. They will soon go the way of the National Enquirer, reading things they want to believe to keep themselves entertained.
You need data to say how Fox and CNN will lose revenue eventually due to the spreading of false information.
CNN and MSNBC have been focused on Barr and Mueller non stop for 24 hours, and not reporting on anything else that is happening in or outside of the country.... unless it has to do with "Trump is bad"
What has this got to do with anything? They are the news and they are reporting on what is relevant. What have you got against that?
I'm sure there are dumb (gullible and inability to critically think) people on both sides of the isle.
If you agree with that why are you against the creator of this topic using data to find Trump supporters did poorly in an intellectual ability test compared to Hillary supporters?
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@DBlaze
Yes. You are saying that statement as fact It is more propaganda trying to divide us and you are helping them to achieve their goal.
Do come back when you have a detail explanation on how it is false or provide evidence that contradicts his.
It is like calling people deplorable, which was actually, in itself, deplorable, that didn't help Clinton at all.
You are making the argument deplorable is self-defeating. Do explain.
You think that all Trump supporters are hicks and inbred farmers that have no social skills. That is far from the truth as well.
Where did he say that?
You say, if a person voted for Trump, chances are they are less educated, and therefore dumber, that is hipocracy from the left at its best.
How else do you measure who is d*mber if it isn't the less educated of the two? You also make the claim it is hypocritical without saying how it is the case.
Just because someone was able to eek their way through college, does not make them intelligent. Being able to think critically, and not being gullible are signs of intelligence, it does not take a college degree to do that.
Researches have already noted this "is considered a good indicator of general cognitive ability,". The burden on you is to discredit the research, the research he took part in or find a better way of measuring who is d*mb. Nothing that you said substantiated anything.
I would think people that don't go to college, and actually get a job to support themselves have a pretty big advantage over students getting ready to graduate. Life experience can help with intelligence more than going to four classes a day and partying every night for four years straight, and listening to liberal teachers that most never had a real job in the first place.
Anecdotes in the face of evidence. That is not a counter to what he said instead gave an "I think" statement.
You are dividing the country by spreading these falsehoods. That is the goal of the MSM, and they are winning to keep us watching
CNN and Fox's goal is to make money. If spreading falsehoods and dividing the country makes them money then they will carry on doing so. If you actually had a problem it would be with the government not regulating enough or capitalism since those are the core problems.
making mountains out of molehills, and not reporting real news
Just like what you said earlier on not supported with a evidence.
just things that make you hate Trump and support the delusion that Trump voters are dumb.
If it makes money then they will.
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@Outplayz
That is one problem. The other problem are bad faith actors who don't actually hold the position they believe in. This can be Dave Rubin, Tim Pool etc. I used these two because they say they are on the left but always insult the left and never insult the right. When someone tells you like ice cream but never eat it even being offered it. Are we supposed to believe you like ice cream or maybe you are a liar?Yes, people just making up bullshit to bullshit i would consider dumb if they truly believe in it and expect the world should revolve around their model.
People see through that facet in our time.
CNN I think had a poll which has Biden winning but they actually cheated the results. They removed the youth out of the equation and only used the older generation. This meant Biden was winning but if they were actually using a representative of a state then they would have the youth in their too. Kyle makes a video about this:
Was it a choice? Accident? A bet? Someone else convincing them? First time? I have no clue. It's empowering in that it's up to you to figure it out, not me.
If you are not harming others or persuading people to join a cult then it is fine by me. I think you should still talk to a professional because from what I read it looks like you have a big ego. Have you watched American Psycho?
in my opinion, take advantage of your youth... in 10 more years you'll miss it.
Depends on what you do with it. I don't particularly abuse like people tell me to. I just to the same thing because I am not about to be damaged after my youth just for some YOLO moment.
That's what i mean when i say do it conservatively.
Conservatively is a bad word. Use gradually or as you are doing it people are not left behind while doing it or if they are people left behind the government still has their needs met with a different policy.
This interview was hilarious. I watch Youtubers from every side. Peterson is really funny when it comes to some subjects... liking calling out victim mentality. But against logic, he debate Kyle too... it's just funny seeing the extreme religious zealot side vs. common sense.
Yeah he is mentally not there. Racist against black people even though he is one and have white people on a pedestal like the "Great White Hope". I can't believe people haven't try to find him mental help because from what I have seen he is not acting this.
I'm worried about innovation. Also, if i could pick any human to be filthy rich, it would be doctors that save lives. So, i want them taken care of in the new system.
You need doctors for universal healthcare so I doubt they will be mean to them because they are required.
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@Castin
What about a public ban log that listed recent bans and offenses, but no usernames? Might be a nice balance between transparency and privacy. People should easily be able to put together what offenses go with which recently banned users, but you're still not displaying personal names on a public "wall of shame."Virtuoso has actually been in support of a public ban log for a while. But there's been concern that it would encourage public shaming, as you mentioned, and compromise the banned member's right to serve their ban quietly and return in relative privacy.
I guess I am for something like first user of the day was banned for X.
So basically their profile name is not mentioned but we have an idea what is not tolerated on the site. It is all good for the site to have rules but you would also need to know the application to understand how a rule can be broken and what are the lines.
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@Castin
I did, that's my bad. I forget some people aren't as familiar with these details.
Okay.
A public ban log -- something saying "A broke X rule and was banned" -- has been something we've gone back and forth on from the beginning, debating the pros and cons. The mods recently put the matter to a vote, iirc. It didn't win by a wide enough margin. I want to say like 55% of the votes were for a public ban log and 45% were against it.I would much rather we had one. I've grown weary of the cries of tyranny and conspiracy every time someone is banned without the reason why being plastered on a billboard or something. The unknown always makes people suspicious.
I am suer you already bsh1 doesn't want it because it would cause mobs or something so I guess you would have to make a convincing argument to him or debate him if you really feel like you have the better position if that is allowed. I would like a public ban log myself but guess it would be too much hassle for Virtuoso and bsh1 to deal which is why they are opposed to it and of course mobs starting to form insulting banned members or who were not permanently banned but I don't really see that problem when I insult people who don't understand what they are talking about.
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In that instance she is smart and people belittle here because they know no better or have low self-esteem but that is a far cry from people who I would even call d*mb. That would be people engaging in topics that they think they understand but have no idea what they are talking about. This would mean they are d*mb in that scenario but for other cases a person who accepts a standard like feeling over facts would generally be called d*mb because they would value their personal anecdotes over what is reality.She was smart in her own right.
Yeah. With all this Biden push... i think they're up to no good again. I personally wouldn't vote for the guy... well, i have to see his debates, but just listening to him on programs... i don't like him.
Did you see what Biden said here? I want to make sure everyone single who thought for voting for him and was young decided to tell him to go f*ck himself.
i think this life is no different than a movie.
The only thing I would like from you is not to start a cult, value reason over emotion in most cases and don't resort to Violence due to Religion being your reason to do so.
The struggle of finding your way in life is really key to growing up out of high school... i don't think we need a bunch of extended high schoolers running around.
I don't know about this. I still don't know what I want to do with my life and don't think I would know any time soon. More options might help but less options certainly won't.
I agree. With that said, i think a little caution from the conservative angle is smart to heed. If you have an "extreme" idea... implement it with some care and conservatively.
If you mean give people enough time to move onto the next system then I am for it. Not if you want a 100% of something but settle for 50%. What I think would be good is making sure when you implement each percentage you think about the people who it impacts and makes sure they are not left behind with each percentage added on.
Haha, you're a Kyle 'seltzer' listener! He is in my opinion one of the best progressive voices. They should listen to his advice...
Like his stuff but my personal best is Destiny then Pakman then joint Sam and Kyle. Don't really have too much like for Kyle or Sam but since I like Destiny and Pakman speaks with him often enough it really helps me understand left wing problems not some d*mb thing a right winger says when debating them with Destiny or with Pakman when seeing the news whether be d*mb right winger or d*mb left wingers.
I hope. I just wonder how it will work out in our country. We have to do it in a way to reward doctors and progression while helping people get care. This is one of the good extremes i'm worried about... bc we just want it now. And, that scares me... we need to go about it carefully.
I don't know about the reward part but the percentage thing I mentioned if followed by Bernie would work. I doubt people are going stop doing well as a doctor just because their profession went public.
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@Vader
You are celebrating it.
Guess you must be in town or if you only need a Burrito to celebrate it then I think a lot of people outside that place would be celebrating the event.
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@Goldtop
You can think that if you want, but he most certainly is a troll.
People actually think like this so to label him as a troll as if this isn't common and only tendencies of people trolling would be a lie. Are you saying all those people are also trolls?
Most trolls do.
You are using a different definition than I am.
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topicmessages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.
The discourse was about the topic at hand not what he decided to make it happy. Sure it was specifically about an event but the speaking about the Religion apart of it is not a change only speaking about something specific about the event like the Religious aspect.
You may need to get out more to other forums where there are good people who make good arguments. This place is not one of them.
I have seen enough that they make bad arguments since I would consider to be apart of a Religion a bad stance so making an argument for it would be bad because of what you are trying to talk about. Slavery can only go so far if you value human not being property likewise Religion since if you value equal rights Christianity is not the stance you should take. I am guessing you are Religious because I wouldn't find an atheist or agnostic defend bad arguments.
In other well run forums, people are given warnings not because they think someones post might be crazy (I have been banned here for saying exactly that), but because their posts are crazy and they must provide supporting arguments and evidence to substantiate what they say, or they eventually get banned. That's how well run forums operate. This place does the opposite, hence why good, sane people leave.
Where? You still haven't told me what these forums are?
Yes, that is why I understand how well run forums operate. Those here who are in power have no understanding of this and refuse to take any advice or help on the matter. They believe they know what they're doing, which is laughable, of course.
Well they are basing I think most of it from DDO and that was working until they decided to not moderate it any-more.
No one said anything about insulting others. That said, folks like Mo are insulting your intelligence, your honesty and integrity. But, maybe those things aren't important for some.
I think he genuinely doesn't understand he makes bad arguments.
That's damage to a person, not the site itself.
If doxxing does occur it looks bad on the site as well. It is like saying credit card companies don't have a problem when people are doxxing with their private information. This argument is bad one if you think the site does not get damaged when a doxxing occurs on their platform.
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@Goldtop
Where?I'm on other forums, I swing by here now and again to have a good chuckle at those who are still floundering with trolls like Mo. I keep wondering who here has less sense, the trolls or those who try to engage them.
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@Goldtop
I think he is not a troll instead genuinely believes what he says.You're absolutely free to continue banging your head against a stone wall and find out for yourself. But, wouldn't you rather be on a forum that has no trolls and instead folks who can discuss things intelligently? Your call.
Not even close, he represents the very worst of what that religion offers.
I know he is a bad representation of the Religion but Religion is bad so I don't expect good people making Religious arguments to make good arguments for it.
That's where you're dead wrong, they have no clue how to run a forum let alone identify the trolls who are bringing the forum down that has already caused a mass exodus of the many folks from ddo and elsewhere who could talk intelligently. They are all pretty much long gone.
You don't tell me how you are right just state I have to clue to run a forum. Have you run a forum before?
You must be joking, right? Did you see how long it took for them to ban Poly? Normal, well run forums would have banned Poly within a day or two of her behaviour here, not many months after the damage was already done.
He can't do that much damage and if you think insulting people as debates is damage then you must have a low bar for it. I would consider site damage to be doxxing.
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@Goldtop
Where and if there was why are you here?That will never happen. Isn't that obvious? Haven't you guys figured out how utterly disappointing this site is, how bad it's run and there are only a handful of folks who can speak without their jaws slacking? There are way better forums out there, this one is pathetic.
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I don't think you can say that. People change their mind and all we would have to do is found out how this happens.Of course not. Trolls are trolls, they don't change.
It's funny that Mo is your best candidate here, that he is the best this place can offer. Ever figure out why?*hint*Trolls are welcome here, sane people are not.
Best candidate to speak about Christianity I am guessing. I think that is because he has nothing better to do so he was talking to me. Kind of weird coming from a Christian when he should value nothing more than being a Christian but oh well.
Trolls are not welcome because there is moderation. Type1 got banned and I remember polytheistic-witch got banned as well.
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@secularmerlin
I think he needs to clearly lay out his standard for believing this and then have someone see the logical conclusion of what his standard can entail.
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@secularmerlin
Do you think someone like him can be changed?Indoctrination. By being told that a true believer does not need proof and that scientific knowledge is inferior to faith until he really believed it.
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@secularmerlin
How do you think he got to a stage of thinking like that?He simply has two interchangeable definitions for god which he is unable or unwilling to separate in his mind (or at least in his arguments).
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Next time when you think something is a good idea do provide evidence. I have done the same and I won't making a claim for until I can find a survey from this site or DDO that most people don't use Adblock.I don't have ad block. I don't know if most people do or not.
Anyone that doesn't would help contribute to DART.
There are other ways to contribute to DA other then with money.
People don't comment on the ads themselves.
What point are you making? My argument is that it distracts people from making comments or arguments so basically the more time a person looks at ads the less time they are spending on making arguments or comments.
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@Alec
What are you saying? I am saying the ads will interfere with a person's comment or debate argument. If all you got is "I don't think" realise you are not making a good argument.I don't think people will comment on the ads themselves in the forum.
It doesn't happen on DDO.
I use Adblock and I can't really find too many people even knew there was ads. So not a good example because most people on the site use Adblock and if someone did a survey on this site I am sure most people would have Adblock on.
They're not a good site, but one good thing about them is you don't see people commenting on the ads on their screen.
This is not what I said. I said they intrude a person's argument or comment if you are spending time on looking at the ad they have less attention on the argument or comment.
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@Alec
As of now my comments are not being interfered with ads on the left or right. Ads are created to be pleasing to a target audience. If they know their target audience well then they can simply drive the attention of a person debating, commenting to the ad instead of focusing on what they are trying to do. This reduces the sites standards because it pretty much says we don't care about you having the best site to voice your stances instead we want to milk this site dry.How exactly will putting ads on this site reduce the standards of the site?
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@Mopac
I have a reasonable standard to base that upon. Your standard is assumptions because you can't explain your side which is clear by your posts.You assume God doesn't exist, and that is why you are struggling.
There is no debate about the existence of God. The Ultimate Reality either exists or there is no reality.
That is what I thought. Incapable of understanding you need to explain your point or give evidence but you think you don't need to substantiate your point. That is why your stance is so bad. You don't realise how to make a good point and if you do then you are committing an unfair double standard. Have a standard for your Religion then another for other things in the world.
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@Alec
I know you think like a libertarian but you don't realise more money that is gained using something bad doesn't make the base of this site is happy. More money does come at a cost and by adding ads you are simply reducing the standard of this site to meet some aim of more money.
Your arguments for it are not good enough for it when development of extra ideas on this site are not required to make this site good because it is already the best debate site on the internet with only 1 person doing the platform development.
Next time can you bring in a better argument instead of "Anyone without ad block will see ads and generate revenue for DART so they can hire more mods as this site gets bigger. Then, it won't crash like DDO."
I did make the same argument but I realise it is a sh*tty experience for DA users and that is what matters at the end. Making the people who view this site happy not fill the Admin's pocket with money. If it was the case there would be ads but the Admin is not Juggle.
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Since no one mentioned them.
I celebrate the video games.
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@Outplayz
I agree. I don't like the state of healthcare currently.
It is okay for private healthcare but as you can see with pretty much all of Europe public healthcare is the better option. That should be the dominant one not private and not some middle of the road the US is funding healthcare but they are still owned by private businesses.
You're right, i said that wrong. They should be offended, but they shouldn't let that offense blind them to the bigger meaning of that statement.
Okay.
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@Outplayz
Agreed but people are called d*mb are called that in something important whereas if someone is intelligent at stamp collecting it is not really considered socially smart. That word can be unfair because at times it is made without knowing the person enough to really make that call but with Trump we have enough tweets and speeches to call him out on it.Even the dumbest person is intelligent at something
In regards to Trump, he's brilliant at marketing himself.
Agreed.
You're right, it's people like me that gave Trump the win... but the left wasn't innocent in that ordeal.
It wasn't the left so more so individuals in the DNC who might as well be Republicans screwing over Bernie. Pelosi is a problem. Cortez wants to fix the problem. There is a conflict of interest in the DNC whereas Republicans do not have that. It would be better for all of the left if people like Biden, Hillary and Pelosi were not part of the party again. They are stopping people like Bernie win which is what people actually want not Hillary or Biden who are centrists that don't want to solve the problem. Simply speak as if they are going to do something.
It really has to do with my religion...
What is your God's name?
The interview was just a suggestion and i thought i'd look it up... common, these chicks are hot. Had to see them in their semi-natural state.
I can't disagree with that.
Free college/university may only come down to college and a little boaster check if you want to go to Uni... it's not going to be college and university paid for... which is one issue i don't agree with Bernie on.
I am sure he is for free college but I haven't heard anyone be for free university. Regulation would be good to try and if that doesn't work then the university can go socialist.
That's why i see it as saying the extreme to hopefully get a version of it. But do i think UHC is extreme, no. Doing everything Bernie is saying, yes.. i find that extreme.
People think extreme is bad. If you said MLK was extreme then they would not think being extreme is inherently bad. If you said universal healthcare and free college is extreme then they wouldn't think it is inherently bad. I don't agree with you on it being an extreme because where would the commies or the anarchists go? They are what I call the extreme and Bernie to be a leftie.
I have to wait for the debates... but i think Bernie/Tulsi ticket would be awesome.
Here is a video on how Bernie would win and the debates wouldn't be a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkWttO505o 2:00 till the end.
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@bsh1
I think the phrase "Western Values" is typically associated with classic liberalism. Freedom, autonomy, and individualism are typically central.
Would it still be a western values if every single person in the west does not hold the same values?
Trying to offer a definitive definition of any of these terms is an entirely fruitless task, as any such effort would need to be not only exhaustive but unambiguous.
Would do you agree western values don't actually exist but are only values shared by some of the people in the west? Wouldn't it be best called Judeo-Christian values? Mostly Christian values because I don't know what Judaism did to be part of those values and even Christianity is borrowed from I think Persians which was borrowed from Aristotle. A lot of borrowing going on. That is what I am sure about.
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@Mopac
Individualism rather than personhood. While personhood has much to do with someone and how they relate to others, individualism takes the self distinct from others as being the focus. Personhood implies relationship. A husband implies a wife. A mother implies a child. An individual is by themselves.
Don't understand. You can be both whatever your definition of personhood is and still be an individual. Help provide for the family and choose a job you like and you haven't pointed out where this is the case.
A lawyer like engineer type view of things rather than an experiential view of things. You know a tree by chopping it down, counting its rings, examining its bark, etc. Contrast this with knowing a tree by planting it, taking care of it, watching it grow, living in round it, passing it to your children
Don't see how this has anything to do with western values.
Truth is looked at as something that is seen through proper education and logical reasoning. Believing the right things. Compare this with the idea that Truth is seen through purifying the intellect of influences and intentions that pervert it.
Didn't say how this is a western values so I assuming. Is everyone not in west liars, illogical and believe in the wrong things?
The west is mostly influenced by the Latin speaking church that eventually broke away from Orthodox Christianity and became Roman Catholicism. Scholasticism developed in the west, and when the protestant reformation caused many in the west to ditch the corrupt Roman church, it kept many of these western values that hhad a great to do with corrupting the latin church. No longer having the latin church limiting it, the protestant world became increasingly secular until the logical conclusion of its pride and over reliance on reason led to the outright denail of God, an embrace of nihilism and its less obvious forms. Having abandoned absolute truth, and embracing relativism, the individualism of the west gave birth to materialism and anarchy. The legalistic and engineering aspect gave rise to state enforced anarchy(Communism!), fascism, and consumerism. Truth being relativistic and individualistic and based on ones own reasoning became whatever one can get away with.
Not talking about western values instead you are giving me a history lesson of something I didn't ask for.
Western Christianity, being over a thousand years seperated from Orthodoxy has devolved into an anarchistic and unenlightened mess. Having failed to deliever what only true Orthodox Christianity can, the west has ditched God, whored after false gods even under the pretense of atheism, and has become thoroughly pagan.
No sign of western values.
We are fastly approaching a time, and indeed may already be there in some places in the west, where someone who maintains their sanity in this mad world will be seen as crazy for not joining everyone else in their insanity.
Most of this was a rant. I can't believe I read that.
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@Outplayz
Hey hey hey. I don't see how you addressed my questions. Doesn't matter too much. So basically yes the 1% for everyone is unachievable and people tell lies in order for the harsh realities of the world to not impact them as much. In a sense it does help in a short term but the truth in the long term if a person can cope enough to be alive for that is the better option. I guess another enlightenment would be okay but if they have a better fix to poverty instead of unions and universal healthcare then I am all for it.
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@Outplayz
I think we've reached an agreement.
Yeah
That is the freedom you have in the US. Freedom to be st*pid and still make it in life. Trump is an example of that if you needed one. Still d*mb but is rich so he must be intelligent at something while also wining an election as well. I don't think that same stance is shared by policies or people in Korea.I didn't come back to reality from the music industry until 28/29 years old.
For example, one of the members of Blackpink is from Australia.
Didn't know that. I would say that is a bad move but what do I know since I am not their number 1 fan who knows where they are from. I only listen to one song of theirs that I like.
i'm assuming they're making some money to want to stay.
I am guessing it is for the fame and perfection. I think the video stated the wages I think so it must be that. K-pop is better version of A-pop or W-pop.
I just wonder how much the girls from BP make. I can't imagine it's bad once you make it that big.
I can't find anything either about their salaries. You got to say that is fishy. I think they are being made paid much less than if they were stars in American but that is just a guess.
Hmm, i've been trying to figure out your political views. I wasn't too sure you'd agree so much with me.
My profile says I am a liberal but I think I would closely align with a progressive. Basically Bernie because he actually wants to fix issues. Warren, Yang and Tulsi as well but Bernie is first. Universal healthcare is a must and I don't think he opposes unions which is great. So basically I would be a leftie or centre leftie. Not a far leftie since I don't believe in communism or anarchism (think this is on both sides). I do agree with the critique of Marx against capitalism but do see capitalism is the best system for a country to have. So basically I would want Bernie to follow the Nordic model. A capitalist system with a high social security net. I am not sold on the government owning everything and then distributing according to every bodies needs since I haven't seen it work but maybe in the future but that is unlikely and we would be stuck with capitalism. As much as I think it is a problem it is a necessary evil until a better system arises.
Yeah, i think both sides are preaching to the extremes.
Depends on how you look at it. Do you consider unions, universal healthcare preaching to the extreme? Then Bernie is preaching to the extreme. Do you consider cutting taxes, pro war and don't care about etiquette? Then Trump is preaching to the extreme.
it always comes to the middle. That's why crap is moving so slow... we work so hard to stay away from the middle, but that's where we always end up.
The middle are for cowards. If you are a centrist or moderate I am sorry since I can't blame you for past mistakes but I would consider your position to be a bad one. Taking it to the middle was the reason Trump won. Obama didn't make the country better and Hillary was a repeat of it. If Bernie would have taken the place of Hillary then there was no way Turmp would have won. Obama and Hillary to me are in the middle which is the cause of a person like Trump getting into office. The DNC doesn't understand people want actual change not lies masqueraded in speeches which Obama was really well in doing but Hillary wasn't since she lost.
I think i'm going to give Bernie a go this time around.
Bernie bro.
I'd be happy if only his healthcare ideas and wage ideas make it somewhere in the middle... bc that's most important to me personally. Healthcare shouldn't be so expensive.
Healthcare is already at the middle. It is funded by the government while also being party of private businesses. The middle of the road healthcare hasn't worked and what Bernie proposes if European countries are an example then it would work. I think you must have an obsession to the middle. I don't think the middle should be the option for anything. It is like saying to two different individuals that have opposing viewpoints that lets do half of both. This in no way addresses both sides instead makes a middle which makes no-one happy because no-one got what they want. It will just make the country even more volatile which looks as if it has already occurred. I blame it on Trump, Hillary and Obama. Not really the main causes but an increase in volatility.
People shouldn't be offended at the "grab them by the pussy" comment Trump made... that should be a realization of the power money gives you.
Well if you mean instead of being offended they should have actually beat Trump in the election then yes I agree with you but just if you say to people don't get offended I can't agree with you on that. Rape victims can see this as Trump reducing what happened to them or at the very least reduces sexual harassment as an issue since if the president is doing it how bad can be it be stance that people can take.
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@Outplayz
i do think we are wage slaves currently. It's less racist but more so power based
Agreed.
I really want to visit Scandinavian countries too... i think they are doing something right too.
Too bad conservatives says socialism bad instead of seeing the pros to universal healthcare and unions.
Yes they do. The error you're making is comparing us to Korea. Korea is worse, i've conceded that... but, record labels do have elements of enslaving musicians.
Don't you see the problem here? You accuse me of expecting other countries to meet common decency then doing the same thing that I am doing only comparing enslaving musicians. Yes musicians can be enslaved but that is looked down upon. Harvey weinstein although not part of the music industry but he is apart of the entertainment industry. Everyone was annoyed when people found what he did. Korea has very little of that because the government shut down protest of unions. Imagine how much they are going to cover up a pivotal part of the economy of Korea.
They couldn't split up into other bands until the contract was up. In time, they fell apart, they lost interest... basically, that contract killed their dream. That's why they say in the music industry always have a lawyer with you when signing.
I am sure you can challenge unfair contracts and people who are under 18 can't necessarily accept contracts so I am thinking your friend was over 18 but did not realise how bad contracts can be. If that is the case I blame it more on the person not reading the contracts instead of enslavement because that person had a choice and he chose to be enslaved for longer than he wanted to be.
A lot of people. When you get that big... you don't have to stay in Korea. There are hundreds if not thousands that want to recruit these girls. They can also branch out into acting, and many other things that correlate with their celebrity.
Do you have an example of this?
Yes i caught that... but i doubt that means for the rest of their lives.
Okay then. These boys or girls are picked at an early age. Lets say 15. They spend the next 10 years focusing on this career if they make it. At 25 they will tend to drop in popularity because their looks are starting to fade and the luck ones tend to look younger than they actually are. Maybe they can go on until 29. This person has spent 14 years of the prime of their life working for awful pay and with that experience not helpful in jobs they can commit to jobs after K-pop. So basically they would have to start picking up a new course at the age of 29 so that they can carry on providing for themselves because of how much time was dedicated to be a K-pop star. 29 is what I would consider near the end of their prime so they can't rely on their stamina there youth has. Sure they can exercise but I am sure the capacity of an individual between 15-29 is higher than their capacity at 30-44.
This has happened more times than i can count
The drawbacks in America are not that bad compare to Korea which is why Americans are allowed to make more mistakes.
Actually, i think their model plus our freedom would be awesome.
I can agree with that depending on the work hours and how much control they have over private lives which I hope to be covered in the freedom part. That kind of effectiveness in music requires monopolies which I am sure exists in America but much more so since from the video all I heard was that they were only 2 leading music industries in Korea. I don't think it is the same in America.
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What are they?
When did they start?
How does the west share those values?
Evidence supporting your claim with an explanation would be appreciated.
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I don't have to prove that The Truth exists.The Truth is God.The Ultimate Reality.
So basically I am correct. You assume it to be true without a good reason. Tell me why you don't assume God doesn't exist?
You are not talking about my God.
Yes I am.
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@KingLaddy01
It is not really that much and I think made more people aware of this movie so it is a win for the director but that doesn't mean that movie is good. Having sonic look like sonic is a such a shite "victory" as if that means he will change the script as Jim Carrey to re shoot his scenes and create a better story. Not going happen. Guess video games movies are doomed.
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@Ramshutu
Here is a look at his sources. I would debate him on that but I would have to put effort into finding sources that provide my point. If you already have sources you should be fine because the points he brought up well lets just say they are shite. See his sources used if you don't think they are shite.
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@KingLaddy01
Who cares.
It is still going to be a bad movie.
Maybe people should have advocated for an animated movie instead of the joke that was in front of that link. Basically the plot there is a Sonic trying to run away from the Mask guy. Everything I saw was boring and even Jim Carrey can't make it exciting.
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@Mopac
There is no way you can prove God existing. You are assuming God exists because if you did have proof you would be able to show it to me. I am not asking much just simply any observable evidence but you can't even do that. You say I deny what you say but you don't say anything apart from God is truth or supreme being without explaining how it is the case.God is in everything so much as that something cannot exist unless it exists in truth.
God is not a concept. We use a concept to talk about God.
God is a concept like anything else. I can't believe you even are denying this. Even if we weren't talking about it God would still be a concept like how a chair is also a concept.
God is The Ultimate Reality.
Keep saying and leaving out the explanation like it isn't important.
The concept is like unto the fleshly nature of The Son. That which the concept points to is like unto the divine nature of The Son. 2 natures united in this single hypostasis or person of The Trinity.
Guess you must be speaking about the Bible. Bible is not a evidence but you don't care. You only care assuming things to be true. Tell me why don't you assume God doesn't exist?
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@Mopac
God is everything? So can you point to it?That is what "God" means. The Ultimate Reality. That is what we mean.
There is nothing to prove here, only that you accept what it is we mean by the concept.
Do you accept God doesn't exist by concept?
Otherwise you are making a srawman god.
I am working off what you said.
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@Mopac
It wasn't mocking more so an assessment of what is going on. I didn't make a claim that was based on you instead of what you said. Arbitrary might be. Depends on what you mean by it. I can call your use of 2 definitions of God a cop out and when using it, it is arbitrary because you can't exactly know how God can be truth or the supreme being.It is easy to mock what one is unwilling to understand until their arbitrary demands are met.
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@Mopac
Guess God is not proud of its own accomplishment or what Jesus did. Really makes you think what kind of person God is. Basically humble but still allowed a flood to occur. Really humble.God gives grace to the humble, but resists the proud.
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@Alec
Misspoke and trying to make a comment about the left are two different things. You are making two different excuses for Crowder.I think they misspoke. They were probably making a point about identity politics hijacking much of the left.
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@Mopac
Give up on trying to explain your side and expect me to simply believe what you said without explanation or evidence is too much for me. My way of doing things has worked and you haven't convinced me your way of doing things works.I am not paying attention to you anymore, as you are obvious not listening, simply being argumentative.
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@Imabench
Leaning isn't here so it won't be as active. Keep asking but he has other stuff to do.
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