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@WyIted
Just don't have sex bro
I will do this until I get the vasectomy.
Reducing the number of lives by preventing the existence of those life's is pro life?
The vasectomy reduces the number of aborted lives. The human race can still reproduce by men storing pre vasectomy sperm in a hospital freezer so they can have kids when they want instead of accidentally getting an unplanned kid.
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@Mall
That is a big sacrifice, but I can't tell a woman to do that because I wouldn't be willing to do it myself.
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@WyIted
Unless you want a promotion I don't see why you would get a vasectomy
Because I would rather endure 3 days of vasectomy pain than plausibly risk the girl I'm with having pregnancy pain for 9 months.
Pro vasectomy = pro life due to it virtually eliminating the need for abortion. Pre vasectomy sperm can be stored in a hospital freezer if kids are ever wanted.
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@3RU7AL
this is first and foremost about privacy
I don't understand how privacy applies. If I rape my girlfriend in a private area, it doesn't matter if it was a private area; the law should still go after me because I harmed someone else to a significant extent. The same would be true for abortion (although I don't agree with the death penalty or imprisonment for abortion; the penalty should be community service).
The right to privacy is for victimless things only.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Since your ethos as a leftist is being anti unwanted pain (AUP), this is understandable.
To try and make your argument more appealing to right wingers, stop saying stuff like:
We need to raise taxes on the rich and use the money to fund healthcare for low income Americans!
And replace it with talking points like this:
We need to raise taxes on the globalists and use the money to fund healthcare for American PATRIOTS!
Since, "American Patriots" is vague, you can define it as anyone who loves America so much that they want to live in it (so this would technically include undocumented immigrants).
The right is going to have to pick between being anti Medicare for all or being pro globalist (since they hate the globalists, they might just end up agreeing with you on Medicare for all). If you claim you are either pro UHC or pro globalist and lean into that, it would get a lot of people on the right to either be silent or end up agreeing with you (because they don't want to be seen as pro globalist).
Now, I don't agree with UHC because I'm of the LUSHOOTY ideology (Liberty Unless Significantly Harming Others Or Too Young). But you, as the AUP supporter would back Medicare for all for even the undocumented paid for by raising taxes on the globalists. I don't have too much of an issue with the globalists; I don't think they should be forced to pay for the health bills of strangers. But if you disagree, then it's understandable.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
There is different levels, but be specific. You want people to be successful, but not too sucessful.
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Another joke about the Jews:
There are so many Jews in New Jersey that the hockey team used to be the New Jersey Devils.
Now, it's the Jew Jersey Dreidels.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
An environment for success fosters a society where everyone can get their share of the American dream.
Here you define, "successful" as middle class or richer.
An environment for the successful fosters a concentration of wealth for the very few.
Here, you define, "successful" as rich but not middle class.
Pick one definition of, "successful" and stick with it.
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Pro lifers: Zygote Life matters more than Woman's Pain.
I'm not against them believing that and I honestly agree with that. But it's an unpopular way to say it. It doesn't matter. It's true.
If you disagree with this, then that's fine; but it means you want abortion to be legal and that's fine to believe that.
But I think if a woman doesn't want pregnency, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before she has sex with him. I'm getting a vasectomy before I have sex; I don't have one right now and that means no woman should have sex with me yet. Once I get the vasectomy, then mutual consent is important; it's horirble to defend rape.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Democrats believe in creating an environment for success rather than an environment for the successful.
This statement is contradictory.
But if you believe in helping and uplifting the poor, then GP is part of that (even if he votes against your party). So you insulting him by being a poor substitute teacher goes against your ethos. If GP had that job and was a leftist, then you wouldn't react that way.
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Whether it's the Gaza Strippers or the West Bank Wagina; Israel wants to stick it's big ... long ... Jewish nose inside of that Palestinian pussy; Palestine is getting fucked so hard. The Jews from Israel irrigate the Palestinian land, so they make that pussy luscious and wet. The Jews made the land in Palestine productive, so they turned Palestine on.
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@Best.Korea
I guess I do.
This is correct, and liking your own comments (which I believe you do) I think is immoral. I don't think you should like your own comments. It's obvious you like your own comment when you typed it; otherwise, why would you type it?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Let me guess. It was reported by an unemployed substitute teacher who lives all alone and used to get beat up as a kid in grammar school.
Don't leftists like you believe in helping out and lifting up the poor? Or do MAGA poor people get an exception to that?
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@Best.Korea
I know you don't believe that adding as many seconds to your life as possible must be done no matter what, but I know you care about being alive enough to not commit suicide.
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@Best.Korea
but its not like I care that much about if I live or die.
Then why don’t you commit suicide and end your pain? The reason is because deep down, you DO care about being alive.
I got banned before for arguing for map, but maybe now something changed so I dont get banned anymore. I dont know.
It was a temporary ban. I’ve seen several accounts get banned before without the consent of the owner.
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@Best.Korea
Freedom of speech lets me debate and argue for map.
This is correct, and it's why (since I am a free speech absolutist), if you want to make points in the DMs, then I don't report, block, or anything like that. But society doesn't believe in free speech absolutism. If there was a bill that went through the house, senate, the POTUS, and the supreme court approved it that made advocating for pedophilia a death sentence, then I believe most people would approve of the bill. You saw how quickly they cancelled Milo Yiannopoulos (even the pro free speech right didn't support him after he defended pedophilia).
DART is not a free speech absolutist site. I think it should be, but it's not.
Now, if society doesnt believe in freedom of speech, thats more of a problem in them, not in me.
You may make that argument, but might makes right.
Lets say we get into an argument. You say the sky is blue, society says the sky is green. You continue to say it's blue. Society insists that it is green. At this point, society burns down your house, they slice your dick off, they burn your corpse alive.
Who was right on the color of the sky? Because you are dead, and society won't get punished for murder.
You may say you were right. Who gets the benefits of being right? Society does, even though they are wrong about the sky.
Might makes right. If society says that saying the sky is blue is hate speech that should be banned but they still support free speech, then they get the benefit of being right.
You can think you are better than society all you want (just like a vegan can think they are better than meat eating society). You don't accomplish anything by siloing off society no matter how much you hate them. With the people on your side, you can accomplish anything. Without the people on your side, you can accomplish nothing.
If 90% of the population didn't believe in age of consent, then saying, "Pedos are bad" might be hate speech. In our current society, saying, "Pedos are bad" is a boring statement because it is so common place.
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@Best.Korea
Its not pedophile.Its map (minor attracted person).
The difference between these is connotation (similar to blacks vs n***ers).
"Pedophille" implies something wrong with being into kids and MAP doesn't have this implication.
I think pedophiles should work internally to treat their pedophilia and not tell anyone in their personal lives about their mental illness. I've seen hot women in my life and I've had the urge to do sexual things to them, but I turn off my desire at will because of my morality.
I don't hate pedophiles, but they should internally hide and suppress their sexual desires and try and find adults sexually attractive because the alternative is society would murder them over it. If there was some trait I had that 95% of society hated, then I would want to hide and supress that as much as possible. Like once I found out 95% of society hated me stating my political views, I try and suppress it. Now, Dad can literally bring up a story about Hunter Biden and I don't comment on it. But I know DART is fine for that, so I say it here.
People should blend in and assimilate on an individual level as much as they can.
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@GP
Or a penis behind 200 pounds of raw muscle sitting next to them in a vulnerable place.
These bathrooms only had one toilet in them each.
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@Best.Korea
You are correct, however, pure freedom is like pure oxygen; very bad. Pure freedom means murder is legal, rape is legal, people aren't forced to fund road infrastructure (so now you can't drive) and other stuff.
I like freedom and it should be expanded on many social issues (weed, guns, cutting back on war spending) , but there are limits to how much freedom I support.
2. Through taxes which forcefully take from those who work and gives it to those who dont, thus diminishing wealth of those who are taxed.
This tends to be the raising taxes on the globalists and they will regenerate the money quickly.
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@3RU7AL
I'm not referring to how you look naked. I'm talking about someone like this:
Passes as a girl.
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@Best.Korea
For your sake, change your brain. Find a way to become sexually attracted to adults.
What about kids makes them more attractive to you than adults? And yes; this is self imposed conversion therapy, but it's more compassionate than how society would treat you if you came out as a pedophile, so you aren't in a position to ask for much.
Your pedophille mind is inferior and you should change it so it's more like a sane and normal person.
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@Swagnarok
An easier solution to Israel Palestine; encourage all the Jews living in Israel to move to the US to escape the bombings from Hamas whether or not they are documented (because quite frankly; papers should be irrelevant).
What's the alternative? That most of them will be dead in less than a year?
There won't be nearly as many dead Jews if they move to the US to escape the bombings from Hamas and if they don't have to worry about getting sent back to the middle east where they would get murdered for being Jewish.
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@3RU7AL
Just make the bathrooms gender neutral. That solves it. At a place I worked at, there were cisgender dudes that went into the women's restrooms and nobody cared. If there was a kid in the bathroom, then most of the time it would be locked. If not, then the adults respect their space.
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@3RU7AL
The right has the chromosome standard for gender and this is majoritarian.
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@Best.Korea
That definition would mean car seats are chairs. I don’t think that’s fair.
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@3RU7AL
If your argument is based on if they pass or not, then fine.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Do you believe that most racists throughout history believe they are racist and freely admit it?
I believe most racists are dead, but if alive in their time, then the answer is yes due to the social acceptance of racism back then.
Well this would support my assertion that Trump supporters are morons then, right?
The ones that think Obama was born in Africa are probably ignorant, but not morons. You aren't a moron if you think Maine borders Massachusetts without knowing better. You are a moron if you have proof presented that Maine does not border Massachusetts and you stand your ground on that belief.
The MAGA MORONS accused election workers and the voters themselves of cheating in 2020.
Usually, from what I've seen is they accuse them of voting multiple times. This is a stupid claim to make. Every time I go to vote, they cross off my name based of the precinct I'm in and I can only vote in one precinct.
He mentioned these cities because they are in relatively battleground states.and because they have significant black populations
and because they have significant populations (race not mattering). It's easier to find 11000 extra people who voted for you in Atlanta than some small Georgian town.
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Lets say America has a civil war and Biden is in charge (so red America breaks away). Lets say the Biden administration does a genocide on MAGA cultists. Before that, Qanon destroys Manhattan on July 4. Lets say you are a left wing Irish person. You got 2 options: Stand with Democracy, or stand with Texas. What side would you expect that person to pick?
I would expect that person to stand with Democracy simply because that is their team.
So why a bunch of left wingers are cheering on hyper conservative Palestine because the people there are being genocided by a leftist government I don't understand. Vice versa applies to conservative pro Israeli supporters.
Israel is a leftist hellhole according to you guys. UHC, abortion on demand, hatred for Jesus (at least the Muslims see him as a noble prophet). The definition of a biological Jew is someone whose mother is a jew. Israel is feminist. Conservatives love Israel though.
The reason for the divide? Race. Israel is stereotypically white and Palestine is stereotypically brown.
The big issue of the day is an RSG issue; the left doesn't care about the Palestinian genocide anymore than they would care about a Qanon genocide as a result of bombing Manhattan. The right hates leftism until Israel is leftist.
If Israel was a black majority country, then do you really think the conservatives would send them foreign aid to deal with the problem? Ethiopia also has Jews fighting for religious freedom; nobody on the right even cares about them.
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@rodh7
So let's say that your dad keeps his canoe covered (idk man I don't have a canoe), kind of like using birth control, but you sneak on board anyways (birth control fails). Did he consent to the risk of you even if he covered his canoe?
Yes, because if he didn’t want to take the chance of you climbing into his canoe, then he shouldn’t have raised you. Kids make mistakes and the risk for mistakes are accepted when you become a parent.
If I have sex with someone who has an STD, I can't say that I consented to only having sex and not getting an STD. If I eat cake at every meal, I can't say that I consented to only eating cake and not gaining weight.
You might have a point, but this is different because everyone believes it is ok to kill an STD and to kill obesity by losing weight. But at the same time, no human being gets harmed with this treatment; people get harmed from the abortion treatment, but you should be allowed to get treatment if abortion didn’t kill a human being, but the converse of (if abortion doesn’t kill a human being, then abortion should be legal) isn’t necessarily true or false.
There's a pregnant woman who is experiencing morning sickness. We have two options: abort (the violent action) and end morning sickness, or give anti-nausea pills (the non-violent action) which could also end morning sickness. What should we do?
I would prefer the ladder if there was a 0% chance the mother would die without an abortion. But you are never 100% sure, and you probably can set arbitrary guidelines (the DUI limit being .08% is arbitrary and society is ok with it). I don’t know what HG is.
I would say though that I changed my stance on abortion; ban it unless a 1% chance or higher the woman dies without one; I accept being arbitrary is fine based on other arbitrary criteria (legal limit for DUI).
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@3RU7AL
You are making the “if they pass” argument.
have about a hundred randomly selected individuals look at a photograph of the person in question
I can find males by chromosomes and gender identity that most people would say are females.
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@3RU7AL
So if you look like a woman, then you are a woman?
That can be subjective, especially among 8 year old boys with long hair.
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@Moozer325
Because he’s a crazy Conspiracy theorist and a bigot, that’s why.
How would RFK be a bigot? I can understand the conspiracy theory part.
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@3RU7AL
People want to change that definition to include transwomen with dicks. We need to go back to the drawing board.
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@FLRW
Quantum theory is for physicists to know, not politicians.
How does it disprove god?
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@FLRW
True, but it's not like POTUSes should have to know about Quantum theory.
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@GP
Biden is a moderate guy. But he should learn that no matter what he does, MAGA world won't give him enough credit to vote for him over Trump and NeverTrump world actually will be pissed enough at him for them to go 3rd party.
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@GP
I wouldn't call car seats chairs. To me, it's just a car seat.
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@Savant
Good point. So then your argument would be, "When a high chance of preventing death, killing and letting die are equivilant. With a low chance of death, killing is worse than letting die."
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@IwantRooseveltagain
We do? Then why are so many people voting for and supporting Trump?
Because they believe Trump isn't racist. It's to the point where if someone says, "I don't think Trump is racist", then it's almost certain they are a Trump supporter. You can strongly disagree with this, but it's what a lot of the country believes.
They say racist things like Obama wasn’t born in America
That is a good point, however maybe Trump just doesn't trust the consensus (in this case, reality). Like, there was a long time when I was a kid where I thought Obama was born in Illinois and then I learned he was born in Hawaii. Like I asked my rural Missouri grandparents who are staying here (people that think Obama is a Muslim because Trump told them too but wouldn't vote for Trump because they think he's racist) and they said they just don't look stuff up; so whatever Trump says, they believe. If you geniunely believe Obama was born in Africa rather than the US, then you are probably gullable; not racist. Trump should do his research if he actually wants to run for POTUS.
all the voters in the cities (blacks) cheat in the election
This is a reference to election workers; not voters. A reference I don't agree with because I believe Biden won in 2020, but not a reference to black voters.
Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia…you know, where all the black people live.
All of these cities are in battleground states. Trump knows he has no chance of winning Illinois; he doesn't accuse Chicago of rigging the ballots. Same thing for Camden, NJ or Saint Louis, MO. He mentioned these cities because they are in relatively battleground states.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you using the terms moron and racist interchangeably?
I was because I assumed you did.
I would say all racists are morons, but not all morons are racist
Fair, but in this society we live in where virtually nobody wants to be seen as racist, how do you determine who is racist vs who isn't racist?
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Trolley problem indicates most people (myself included) would kill one person to save 5. This means it's acceptable to cause harm if you prevent more of it. This position is defined as pro intervention.
Homeless problem (is it better to refuse to give a homeless person food and let them die painfully or shoot them in the back of the head, ending their pain?) indicates that most people prefer painfully letting someone die vs killing them painlessly. This means it's acceptable to cause harm if you prevent more of it. This position is defined as anti intervention.
What is the difference between these 2 situations? The trolley problem requires less sacrifice than the homeless problem.
Low sacrifice = Pro intervention. High sacrifice = Anti intervention.
The abortion debate is certainly very high sacrifice, so it takes the anti-intervention position (it's better to painfully let someone die than to painlessly kill someone). So when people say, "How come pro lifers only want to prevent fetal death and not the death of foster kids?", well now you know why. They believe letting someone die (poorly funded foster care) painfully is not as bad as painlessly killing someone (abortion).
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Define chair in a way that includes all chairs and excludes all non chairs and I will use your method to define a woman.
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@FLRW
Because of the complexity of the world the minimum IQ for a USA President should be 150.
The average POTUS IQ I don't think is this high. It's better to not have a minimum IQ requirement; it's not like the typical person would vote for Napolean Dynomite in any primary regardless of what party he ran as. All presidents have had an IQ of at least 120 (All The US Presidents, Ranked By IQ (ranker.com)).
Your cutoff would have excluded 35 out of the 44 presidents we have had (including Lincoln; who everyone likes).
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@Best.Korea
So if you get to be outside and be seen by me without my consent, why cant my dick do the same?
Because that’s like forcing someone to watch only fans women. I have no ill will towards onlyfans women. However, people should not be forced to see them or be isolated.
Now you even want to control who has sex?
Nope. I want to control where they do sex. So consensual sex in your bedroom if you want; don’t force others to have to deal with it.
But you can wear clothes. Like, its not like clothes should be banned.
Kids are present and they should not be forced to see your dick. There are 2 types of dic pics; those that don’t get spread (I’ve taken several dic pics that I’ve never sent to anybody) and those that get sent to people without their express permission. The first is totally fine; the 2nd is sexual harassment.
but as a kid, if I closed my eyes, people would force me to open them.
I can’t think of any time when society forces kids to have their eyes open (except for maybe don’t snooze in class, which kids need to learn concepts). Just like it’s not good to snooze in work (which school is prep for). School is preparation for work. You are a worker droid, and worker droids made the iPhone possible. Short term pain brings long term advancement in our society.
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@Swagnarok
Every juror was predisposed to assume Trump's guilt; they may or may not have been actively selected to produce this outcome, given the geographic bias was probably enough on its own.
They filtered out the jury so much to get 12 apolitical people to be on the jury. Keep in mind, all juror members had to be approved by both the prosecution and Trump's lawyers.
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