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@ADreamOfLiberty
We're pack animals (or troop animals I guess), so are dogs.
Speak for yourself; I'm a sigma male and shouldn't get killed for it.
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@Best.Korea
Unless you are a vegan who is slowly dying from B12 deficiency, I really dont see what you have to complain about about Kristi Noem.
I'm vegan; I don't complain about her as I think it should be legal to execute any innocent animal for food (exceptions being humans, other primates, and dolphins). I'm not going to die of B12 deficiency; I take a supplement.
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@Greyparrot
The real question is should chickens be treated better than dogs, since this particular dog was eating chickens....
I think dogs should be treated better than chickens, but I don't think this is the real question.
We kill pigs for taste pleasure; all pig nutrients can be obtained through different means. This is even if the pigs don't harm other animals.
You ask the typical American if it's ok to kill and eat pigs, most would not only approve, but they would personally do it.
You ask the typical American if it's ok to kill and eat dogs, most would not only disapprove, but they would say it's like killing a human being.
Pigs should get treated equally to dogs.
But seriously dude; if you want to talk to me, then unblock me.
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Killing pigs for food when plenty of alternatives exist: Pretty much everyone does this solely for the nominal increase in taste pleasure.
Killing a dog because the dog was destroying a bunch of stuff and the dog was untrainable: Both major parties condemn Kristi Noem for this.
Lets just treat dogs and pigs equally; pigs are smarter.
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The left: "Orthodox Jews are illegal settlers".
Me: I prefer the term, "Undocumented immigrant". No human being is illegal, including Orthodox Jews. The left wants to kick out certain white people from brown countries and the right wants to kick out certain brown people from white countries. I prefer letting people live in whatever city they want, whether it's a brown Guatemalan in Texas or a White Hasidic living in the West Bank. There should be international freedom of movement.
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@Savant
If China starts bombing Taiwan, you'll see a similar reaction, but if Sudan invades Chad, no one's going to care.
That's fair, but I don't like militarily helping any non NATO country.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
we shouldn’t trust anyone who is a dog hater, let alone a dog killer.
I don't care if the POTUS has any dogs. But if society bans killing dogs, then it would be like banning killing pigs.
And lets be realistic, if Biden killed a dog and Trump didn't, then I still think you would vote for Biden over Trump (because it doesn't matter; a dog is not a human being).
Fauci killed a bunch of dogs years ago; MAGA world freaked out about it because they hated Fauci beforehand and the left didn't care.
Whether you are Fauci or Kristi Noem, I don't care if you kill dogs. I personally don't eat any animal or even animal products and I've been vegan since 2022, but I equate killing dogs with killing pigs; I don't want to ban it.
P.s. look at Kristi Noem’s arms and hands in this picture. Was she once a man? Is she trans?
I doubt it, but it shouldn't matter if Noem thinks Noem is a girl or not and it shouldn't matter if transwomen are women. The GOP advocates that transwomen are men, not that transwomen should be barred from employment.
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@FLRW
I am not in the top 1%, so I would be fine with that.
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There are all sorts of genocides I've heard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides). Why is it just the Israel genocide that gets the most attention?
I don't want to claim it's anti semetism, but I don't know what else it would be.
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2021 US Federal Budget. I imagine the one in 2023/2024 is pretty similar.
Anyone advocating cuts to government spending, please tell me which item you would cut. If you can't do that, then you supporting cutting government spending is just, "supporting the current thing".
All government spending cuts will lead to an increase in the unemployment rate and most of it leads to more people dying (except maybe military spending for Ukraine, Israel, and other). It's alright if you back this, but just understand that before signing up to it.
Cutting taxes and cutting spending leads to cutting life.
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@GP:
Cool idea, so if every nation had open borders and say, Japan and China continue to have closed borders.... in 200 years the entire world would be culturally Chinese and Japanese. Not a terrible thing.
Every country should let anyone in their country, including Japan and China. That's freedom.
We should run this country like a business; businesses don't care if you are documented or not; they want your money to grow their GDP. We should run this country the same way.
But if you want to respond to my comments, then unblock me first; otherwise you don't want pushback (which goes against free speech, but I know you only believe in that for right wing opinions).
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@Double_R
If we do not believe in killing others, then from that point there is no other choice but to provide food and shelter to that individual.
When an illegal immigrant comes to our shores, we don’t have to incarcerate them to keep them out of our society. Unlike with murderers, we can send them back to their home countries. Since that is their home country, we are not responsible for whatever happens to them once they are there.
So the US government then rewards murderers and similar with free food and housing that they wouldn't give to the undocumented immigrant because there is a reward in being dangerous. I'd rather be in prison than homeless.
Do you believe the entire world should just be one big revolving door of people going wherever they want and governments should have no control over who comes in?
Like unironically, yes. Otherwise, it is bigoted to force people to live in certain areas based on where they are born. I use the phrase, "bigoted" with liberals since I know it triggers their fear based emotions and I use the term, "run this country like a business" to appeal to the MAGA people who like Trump for that reason.
The piece of dirt you are born on should not matter at all, otherwise it's xenophobic.
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@Double_R
How is being bigoted illegal in any way you feel should be legalized?
It's more like I'm defending the status quo. A lot of people want to ban, "hate speech" (which is code for conservative speech) and this is changing the status quo. I support the status quo on the issue of hate speech / conservative speech legalization.
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Most people hate Biden and most people hate Trump.
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@FLRW
I thought it was less expensive, but yeah; people shouldn't be forced to spend $2.2 million for 2 kids.
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@Best.Korea
Pedophiles can reproduce, but I wont reproduce since I have a freedom not to
Dude; if you choose not to reproduce but want to take away that choice for others, then that's being a hypocrite.
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@Moozer325
If a Ukraine is being cruelty invaded by Russia, I think we have a duty to prevent WW3, but as a world super power, we also have a duty to help the little guy out.
Replace, "Ukraine" with, "Israel" and "Russia" with, "Muslims/Arabs" and you sound like a right winger.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Where did I cite a "far right poll"?
I confused you for some guy that cited this poll:
They are a biased source.
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@Best.Korea
But I never want kids. Should I get thrown in jail for refusing to reproduce?In some societies, people who refuse to reproduce have all their property taken away and their family throws them out. A very old method, but one can see its point.
Well, that society is shit on that issue.
Forcing people to conceive is r***.
Birth rates in all free nations go from 0.7 to 1.7, the average being around 1.4.
This is because the world population is growing and people are alarmed by it, so people choose to do their part and not reproduce.
But given you are a pedophile (not an insult since you didn't act on it), but since you aren't attracted to adults, you won't reproduce, and therefore, if you advocate mandating that people reproduce, then you are a hypocrite.
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@zedvictor4
Religion I don't agree with, but being religious should not be punishable with death.
The issue is massive death toll and massive homelessness.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Hamas, communists, fascists, nazis, crusaders, jihadists... oh we're full circle since Hamas are jihadists
Pretty sure Israel was the only ones dropping the bombs on Gaza.
But Hamas is shit as well. Both of the militaries are shit; they are murdering innocent people all to make politicians rich.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You mean Kyle Kulinski.
I mean Pew Research.
Do they now? "Follow the science"
The science says a zygote is a human being, so it's what I believe. I'm not as left wing as you think I am.
They care about facts.So you don't have to (TM)
Incorrect. You cited a far right poll and I cited Pew Research.
Anytime they are wrong, they change their stance.Consider emulating "them", then you might be worthy of being emulated yourself.
If there is a good argument for it, then I will do that. But I'm waiting. And you said earlier your goal was not to change my mind, so you contradicted yourself in this thread.
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Gaza's population: 2.3 million people.
Gazan population that is left homeless by Israel: 80% of 2.3 million (Desperation intensifies in Gaza amid uncertainty of ‘safe zones’ | UN News).
Who fucking causes 80% of a country to be homeless?
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@Moozer325
I'm America first and anti war on the issues of US involvement in Ukraine and Israel; keep the US out.
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@Double_R
Listening to the oral arguments today and there were two things I really found jarring, wondering what your perspective is on these.
You already know what their perspective is going to be. If it helps Trump or hurts Biden, then the Dream of Liberties and the GPs of this site will agree with it and the Roosevelts and the Side walkers of this site will not agree with it. Vice versa applies if it harms Trump or helps Biden.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Then you are mentally disabled because I showed you a lie you spread in exacting detail and you did not care nor retract.
Or I got too lazy to check it all and if the argument is, "This bill just legalized self defense", then that to me doesn't make sense because Arizona already had self defense as legal.
My fact check is that you are:
I don't trust your fact check (which is really biased). I trust the experts (so not you). I trust people with PhDs from Ivy League Schools; the smart people (and they claim a zygote is a human being due to science and I agree with them, so it's not even entirely leftist). They care about facts. Facts don't care about your feelings. Anytime they are wrong, they change their stance.
College over chrisima.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The primary point is that his brain is broken and if that wasn't a problem they wouldn't be hiding it and the drugs they use to tease moments of clarity out of it.
Or maybe they ignore it because they've learned that MAGA world will always believe Biden has dementia. When Trump said Obama was born in Africa and he needed a birth certificate as proof, Obama did what he could and sent a photo of his birth certificate. Trump didn't change his mind, and despite that, over 1/3 Americans believe Obama was probably or definitely born in Africa (PolitiFact | Blog twists Obama statement about being first president from Kenya).
This 1/3 doesn't care about facts; they care about macho man chrisma (which Trump has). Biden has done numerous clips where he is mentally there; but MAGA world isn't interested in changing their minds. For them, feelings don't care about the facts.
Your brain may as well be broken for (apparently) not seeing the difference between prescription high-level stimulants and food.
Snowflake insult right here.
somebody asks Biden point blank if he's taking drugs to mental acuity and to provide a blood test before going on stage.
I'm fine with them asking him if he does drugs for mental health; but I'm scared of blood tests, so I don't expect Biden to be willing to give blood tests. I would be more fine with a urine test; but if Biden comes back clean, then I don't expect the MAGA world to believe he's mentally competent.
You spread lies, it's not good to follow your example.
I don't lie about politics; everything I say I believe is true.
Most would take it as a joke, and it's known that coffee does not temporarily alleviate symptoms of Dementia or Alzheimers.
If Trump had ADHD and was taking aderol to help with it, nobody should care. Biden should be held to the same standard.
But you are nuts, and this is another reason why liberty and modular independent government is so important. You're insanity should almost exclusively damage your own life, not mine.Because your insanity is a threat to my life, you are a threat to my life, and I need to prepare to neutralize that threat as it manifests through government.It is a great irony that you would mention Jan 6 as supporting factor for your insanity when that is a counter-attack made necessary by insanity like yours.You are lost to civilized discourse already, you can't dangle yourself as bait for compromise.
So much dribble from a snowflake. Yawn.
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@Best.Korea
People raised in dictatorship will likely have Socialist ideas, and many other you would consider anti-freedom ideas.
Define, "socialism". Because in many countries, not even education is socialist; they don't have public schools for many ages in many countries (and the US has a socialist style public education system). And weren't you a hardcore communist 2 months ago? If would be like Richard Spencer being a white nationalist, ceasing to be one, and 2 months later, he gets angry at British immigrants coming here based on the claim that they are white nationalists. It's almost projection.
Its not about them being wrong, but its about them being able to deny your society of migrants, something your society needs to survive.
Restricting freedom of movement into a city under any conditions is unjustified authoritarianism.
People dont move to USA just for values.
What else would they move here for?
But I never want kids. Should I get thrown in jail for refusing to reproduce?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So your argument is that you build up a tolerance for Anderol (just like heroin) that can't be re completed with more aderol the next dose and unlike aderol, food doesn't have a tolterance build up?
If this is your argument, then Biden can do a livestream debate with Trump. If Biden is mentally there during the debate, then it's safe to assume there is no significant tolterance build up for whatever drug he is taking (if any) to stay mentally alert. If Biden snores during the next debates, then he gets deemed upfit to be POTUS and his VP (Kamala Harris; whom nobody believes has mental decline) and the election is Harris vs Trump (which if Biden gets impeached due to mental decline, then treat the Biden vs Trump election as a Harris vs Trump election). I would vote for Kamala Harris over Trump (Mr. Jan 6).
If Biden admitted he was only coherent while on powerful stimulants, he would never have been unduly elected.
If Trump admitted that he couldn't mentally function without coffee, then none of his supporters would care. I would treat Biden the same way with whatever drug he takes to stay mentally there (if any).
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@ILikePie5
I read that and literally choked while eating lol
Where is the flaw in my logic?
If you can't function without sleep, then sleep. If you can't function without food, then get food. If you can't function without aderol, then get aderol.
It's a drug that's easy to get.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You didn't answer my question. Why would you want to fight so hard over the color of a car?
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@Best.Korea
People raised in dictatorships are more likely to support bad ideas, even if they move to USA.
What bad ideas? And how do you determine if an idea is bad or not?
also countries can restrict their citizens from leaving and deny USA of migrants.
Then they would be in the wrong as individuals should live in whatever city they choose.
Also, many enemies of USA might enter USA if 50 million migrants enter every 40 years.
This logic would be equal to a rural North Texan moving to San Fransisco because he hates San Fransisco values.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
No, my goal is not to change your mind. It's to debunk bad logic by identifying fallacies and pointing out absurdities.
And what's the point of that? Like consider the following car:
You say the car is blue; I say the color is gray. You use logic to prove this car is in fact blue. Why would you want to do this?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yes.
Now can you answer my question?
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@sadolite
Taxes
Tax policy stays roughly the same under Trump and Biden for most Americans. There are small differences, but it's not much.
endless accumulation of debt
You would have an easier time paying off the debt if there were higher taxes on the globalists. But this is more backed by Biden than Trump. Are you anti debt or are you pro globalist? Because if you are anti-debt, then you would want to raise taxes on the globalists (democrat plan).
an out out control southern boarder
74% favor legal status for those brought to US illegally as children as Supreme Court weighs DACA | Pew Research Center states that 75% of the US population is anti deportation, and therefore anti ICE. Given that the mainstream media overall is very pro ICE, you could say anti ICE people are the silent majority. About 25% are pro ICE.
But Pew Research is Leftist propaganda
You may say.
Here is another poll from Pew Research:
Americans’ Complex Views on Gender Identity and Transgender Issues | Pew Research Center states that 60% of the US population believes Caitlyn Jenner is a man.
So the majority of the US population that believes Caitlyn Jenner is a man are anti ICE.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
rofl aderol and food, what's the difference?What a joke the user base of this site is.
Do you want to insult my intelligence or change my mind?
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@FLRW
A new study on Fox News has shown that on average, Trump supporters who classified themselves as “mega fans” and joined in one or more caravans had an average IQ of 74.
I want to see the link to that.
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@sadolite
Alright, so I would assume you've conceded the, "Biden has dementia" argument.
What makes Biden a bad president?
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@FLRW
I appreciate that.
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@Double_R
Choosing the lesser of two evils is not an endorsement of that evil.
Correct, but if one wants to spend tax dollars taking care of murderers but not undocumented immigrants, then they think the murderer is more worthy of the funds.
First of all, we’re not responsible for illegal immigrants, we are responsible for US citizens.
So their belief would be that they believe US Citizens that commit murder should get their living expenses paid for, but undocumented immigrants who don't commit murder wouldn't? If that's their belief, then I think it is a bigoted belief because they would be putting undocumented immigrants below murderers.
Another factor you are ignoring is that when you deport someone that person has the freedom to decide where they go next. They can hide, they can run, they can face the threat against them. They are free.
They left because they knew they did not want to be in Guatemala.
When you imprison someone they are not free. You are locking them in a cell where they do not have a choice what happens to them.
And we have to pay for that.
If one believes undocumented immigrants should be treated worse than murderers, then to me, that's a contradiction. Judge by the content of character, not the piece of dirt they were born on.
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@Double_R
So isn’t it better to argue that conservative beliefs are not bigoted, as opposed to accepting as a premise that they are bigoted in order to accuse the left of trying to silence conservatism?
I would make that argument, but the left believes all conservative beliefs are bigoted (which I can see the argument for even if I don't agree). So it's better to legalize being bigoted; air on the side of free speech.
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@Best.Korea
Yes, for now. Population doesnt decline immediatelly with lower birth rates, since life expectancy is increasing which covers for lower birth rates, and you also have migrants.However, life expectancy doesnt solve low birth rates, but just means that you have more old people who are mostly burden on society.
Life expectancy goes up .2 years/year historically. The US population increases about 2% a year I think. But you can raise the retirement age to compensate.
In Japan, child births are almost non-existent. But people have freedom not to have children, and its unrealistic to think that all people wont use the freedom they are given.
They didn't feel like having kids, but the locals there got to decide between voluntarily having kids, having their population fall, or having more immigrants. I would prefer #3 for America; I don't want kids, so I would be a hypocrite if I encouraged people to have kids, and I do like more people in this country.
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@Best.Korea
Well, you can import population from countries that dont have freedom, but then you are faced with the problem of your population being replaced by people who maybe dont share your values, as they were literally raised in dictatorships.
What does it mean to have American values?
Plus, you need to import a lot, about 50 million to make up for current 170 million women's lack of reproduction, and you need to do so every 40 years.
What's wrong with that? I'd say if 1.2 billion people want to move to America, then that's 1.2 billion GDP producers in this country.
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@Best.Korea
1.78 is far below replacement levels, and any country which embraced so much freedom has never seen an increase in birth rates.
But I belive it will eventually go up once people realize that underpopulation is a problem.
Population of USA is about 340 million with 170 million women.
The US population is growing.
Having more old people is also bad for society because old people cant reproduce and just drain resources.
That's why you encourage young people to move here and Americanize.
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MAGA: He has dementia.
Me: He debated against Trump in 2020 and he was mentally sharp.
MAGA: That's because he had aderol in his system.
Me: So what? Trump can't function without food in his stomach. If Trump needs food, then he can get food. If Biden needs meds, then he can get meds. Nothing wrong with that.
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@Double_R
If I locked you in my basement without feeding you and you starved to death, I would rightfully be charged for murder.
If you locked me in your basement while feeding me, you would be charged with kidnapping.
Imprisonment is kidnapping, but society is understandably okay with it because it happens to bad people. But kidnapping and murder are comparably bad offenses; so one who is opposed to killing but ok with letting die and that also didn't want to give undocumented immigrants free stuff wouldn't want to give murderers free stuff and as a result, they would want to jail murderers and not give them any food; letting them die of starvation.
Deportation =/= Murder.
If you deport an immigrant, then there is a very plausible chance they end up dying in their home country. If I shipped you to Africa and just dropped you off and you weren't allowed to come back here and gangs were hunting you (which I assume is the case for many immigrants), then your death is on the government's hands.
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@Double_R
Why do conservatives love to conflate bigotry and conservatism to then turn around and play the victim?
Many on the left argue any conservative belief is bigoted.
Abortion bans? Bigoted towards women.
AR 15 legalization? Bigoted towards children of mass shootings.
Pro Nuclear energy? Bigoted towards Native American reservations where the waste would be stored.
Cutting government spending on welfare? Bigoted towards poor communities of color that need that to survive.
Against Affirmative Action? Bigoted towards blacks and Hispanics.
Pro death penalty (for murder)? Bigoted towards a group of people that is disproportionally black and Hispanic.
All conservative speech can be argued to be hate speech towards a group of people. Why else do you think most conservatives are white?
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@Best.Korea
1.78 is below replacement levels.
It's low, but I believe it will probably go up at some point from people willingly having kids; it ceased to fall and people like Elon Musk are telling people to have more kids. Also, since the world population is increasing, it's not like humanity is doomed. America can just accept more immigrants to create more population growth (and unlike children, adult immigrants don't need to be put in public schools for 15 years or so).
China was a shithole too worse than Afghanistan, but thanks to lots of population it became a superpower.
China had a 1 child policy.
Now, you are correct that more people -> more GDP. But it is more moral to just have increased immigration that to r*** women to produce babies.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The Arizonan GOP used to be anti-abortion legalization (ANAL). Now, Kari Lake is backing the PAL position (pro abortion legalization). So, she changed her mind. Now, politicians should only be allowed to change their minds if they state their reason for it.
Maybe (not probably, but maybe) Kari Lake genuinely changed her mind on abortion. If she did, then she should state why she changed her mind on it. Like, I change my abortion position all of the time; but I justify why I did every time I do. Anyone that changes their stance on any issue should do the same.
If a woman doesn't want a pregnancy, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before they have sex. That pretty much solves the issue.
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@Double_R
People have a right to do with their platforms what they will. You are free to disagree with them, but you don't get to infringe on their free speech by telling them what they must allow on their own platforms.
Good point, but then if DART decided they aren't going to allow left wingers on their page, then you would have to respect their rules and abandon your account.
That's exactly how it works now, so what's your issue?
The Nazi stuff gets promoted too much as few people believe in it.
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