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@Double_R
But we're not talking about any individual, we're talking about a blanket policy position.
I would assume if you are moving to a country where you don't know the language when you could have head to Spain, then you are fleeing for your life and will die if you stay in Mexico.
But someone who is against the state killing people and is pro deportation (assuming significant chance of death which there is) should be fine with life imprisonment for murderers with no food given to them (death by starvation). You aren't killing them; you are letting them die. But then, the death penalty is more humane than a death by starvation.
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@Double_R
I think I'm voting for Biden. I think his mental issues can be fixed with aderol.
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@Double_R
You're assuming people vote based on policy, which they absolutely do not.
In the general, they do. In the primary, they do not (both parties).
Most people have no idea what the policies of their stated candidate are (ask Trump voters what he plans to do)
Most Trump voters would vote for DeSantis over Biden (or even Nikki Haley over Biden). MAGA people like his pro ICE and right wing on RSG beliefs.
And swing states will oppose it even more fervently because they are the benefactors of our current system.
What about Swing states controlled by democrats? Wouldn't they want to lock in their power? Like, why wouldn't Virginia join the compact before Youngkin? They had the votes.
people are always going to act within their own personal best interests.
Maybe I should vote for someone that isn't acting in their own best interests; but the country's best interests (3rd party). Biden is putting party before country; something the left gets angry at MAGA politicians for doing.
Both of your examples are pre January 6th and more importantly, pre overturning of Roe v Wade.
The US public is over Jan 6 and Roe V Wade being overturned is something society knew the GOP wanted. Imagine a society where 40% of the population supports legalized segregation and one party (Party A) backs segregation. A lot of people would vote for Party B solely because they oppose segregation (and would vote for Party A if segregation was denounced by both parties); but if segregation is a big issue for 20 years, then if segregation gets brought back, then anyone who votes for party B because they never brought back segregation would have already been voting for party B while segregation wasn't reality.
Joe Biden was very popular until he started running
Fair point.
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@Best.Korea
They wont tho, as they have been consistently falling for past decades and even when government pays people to have kids
U.S. Fertility Rate 1950-2024 | MacroTrends states that they used to be falling, but not anymore (once a lot of people believed that the US fertility rate was getting uncontrollably low).
There are countries where women are forced into marriages and those countries usually have high birth rates, like Afghanistan.
And Afghanistan is a shithole; not a good example to be copied. People should not be forced to marry; it should be an option.
Freedom of individual is simply less important than society's survival, since if society collapses, then you lose individual freedom regardless.
But the premise is false because people want to have kids often because people have a high importence on their genes.
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@Best.Korea
Yeah, I think internet and porn also has effect.
Maybe. Although porn reduces the r*** rate and it is liberty, so I think it's good.
If not punishing rape increases birth rates, then its different.
Let birth rates go up on their own by women who choose to become pregnant in the first place.
Thats why I think if rapist causes pregnancy, then he shouldnt be punished as much because pregnancy is beneficial for society.
It depends on the pregnancy. Many pregnencies are beneficial for society, but people should not be forced to become pregnant in the first place.
Like (assuming you have XY chromosomes), you wouldn't like it if a woman r***d you. Assuming you have XX chromosomes, you wouldn't like it if a man r***d you.
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@Double_R
What people are doing is refusing to give a platform to those spreading such lies.
I think it would be better to just not promote it and promote people saying 2+2=4 way more. Let them say it; just don't promote it nearly as much with algorithms. It should be in the hard to find places on the internet. Like I can look up the KKK website if I want too; that doesn't mean I can expect to randomly find KKK stuff in my feed. Nazi talking points should be allowed to be said on the internet, but don't promote it; and promote other stuff.
Lets take an issue other than, "Is Hitler based?" where virtually everyone disagrees. Instead, lets take the issue, "Should abortion be legal for consensual sex?" 60% say yes; 40% say no. Promote all of the yes answers collectively 60% of the time when you promote abortion opinions and promote all of the no answers 40% of the time when you promote abortion opinions.
If there are 3 pro choice creators and 2 pro life creators who each make the same number of videos, then they all get equal promotion. That I think would be a better system.
And again, any attempt to change that is the opposite of free speech because people have a right to use their free speech to say "you're not spreading this garbage on my platform".
Publisher vs Platform. A publisher can censor speech because they are liable for the stuff they say. This is why the Daily Wire isn't forced to host Gloria de la Riva (socialist). A platform would have to have Gloria de La Riva on. In that respect, it's better to be a publisher.
But a platform isn't liable for the stuff they say; a publisher is. If you read something false on Instagram, you can't sue Instagram. If you read something false on Fox News, you can sue Fox News. Tucker Carlson got sued for grifting about the 2020 election. Here, it's better to be a platform.
Instagram wants the best of both worlds and that's what I object too. These companies should pick if they want to be a publisher or platform.
If there was a good answer to that question half the country wouldn't believe the election was stolen.
It's 25%; but this is the too far gone people. This group will vote Trump no matter what. But if Biden wins the 2024 election 75 to 25, that would be a major victory for democrats; I think they would win every electoral vote for the most part.
If you are truly open to hearing every perspective and every angle, and you verse yourself in understanding logical fallacies and other manipulation tactics, you make yourself as difficult to be manipulated as one can be.
Yeah; I do that. I used to watch exclusively right wing news, but I watch both and now I think better; about half my opinions are on the left; about half are on the right. I think Biden won the election, but I also don't want to fire tens of millions of Americans for refusing to get the COVID shot (but I would prefer it if they did; although less so now because COVID is killing less people than it was 2.5 years ago).
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@Double_R
The reason there are so few options is because there are only a few individuals out there that have a real chance of winning the voters over.
This I don't think is true. Someone that agrees with Bernie Sanders 100% of the time would win pretty much as many voters as Bernie Sanders would in the general. Someone that agrees with Trump 100% of the time would win pretty much as many voters as Trump would win in the general.
If only the blue states did it then that would increase the odds of a third party winning one or two of the blue states thereby handing the presidency over to the republican candidate.
Then maybe the blue states could have a similar framework to the National Popular vote compact; where the bill only takes into effect when 270 electoral votes agree to the bill.
Clinton was winning every poll heading into November 2016, we all know how that turned out.
The 2016 and 2020 polls both had the democrat doing better than they actually did. Trump outperformed the 2016 and the 2020 polls, and he probably will outperform the 2024 polls.
People think he's asleep because that's what Fox news tells them to believe
6 in 10 Americans Doubt Biden's Mental Capability: Poll | TIME. This includes many people that would vote for him over Trump; nobody says this about Dean Phillips or Cenk Uygur or Marian Williamson.
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@Best.Korea
as the birth rates are getting lower under current system.
Africa (poor people that don't spend too much time on the internet) has a very high birth rate. Europe and America (rich people that do spend time on the internet) has a very low birth rate.
The internet usage is relevant because the internet is saying things like, "The world is overpopulated" and this causes a lot of people to refuse to have kids.
If the internet says, "The world is underpopulated" and leans in on that message for a while, then more internet connected westerners would have more kids. It would have little effect on Africans with few people connected to the internet.
But if a man is a r**ist, then if they have a kid and are raising that kid, then the kid has a pretty high chance of following in the man's footsteps and committing r***.
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@Double_R
Right, so what is your issue?
A lot of people want to ban saying 2+2=5 (by randos that think it's correct) when in reality, they should point out 2+2=4. If a POTUS says 2+2=5 and they know they are lying, then they should be banned from public office (but if they actually believe 2+2=5, then they should merely get fact checked).
we live in a society inundated with people who do not accept being rational as a priority.
This is a problem, but how do you change this?
The only solution is for people to wake up and realize they're being manipulated.
How do you support accomplishing this? And how do you know you aren't the one that is manipulated? I'm not saying you are; but how do you know you are right and MAGA is wrong and not the other way around? Personal bias is mutual.
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@Best.Korea
People who choose not to have kids are literally destroying society.Society cannot survive if people dont have kids.
If nobody had kids, then you would be correct. But since about 95% of the US population wants to have kids, a few people can refuse to reproduce.
then maybe marriage is a better option so they can raise the kid together.
That's not fair to the woman.
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@Double_R
Again, the two parties loath each other, they're not working together on anything. Even if they were, the point of working with someone else on anything is so that both sides can benefit. Politics in terms of elections is a zero sum game. There is no such thing as working with your opposition for a mutually favorable outcome.
They work together on keeping 3rd parties out (or at least irrelevant). It benefits them; it harms everyone else. There are photos of Trump with Clinton. The 2 parties work together to screw over everyone else.
And even if we set that aside, the way to nullify third party candidates is to elect popular candidates. It is only when voters don't like either choice that third parties become a factor, so this "plot" would be self sabotage.
2016; Trump vs Clinton. 2020; Trump vs Biden. The politicians in 2020 are less popular than 2016; 3rd parties did worse. Politicians latched onto this and they are giving worse candidates to reduce the odds of a 3rd party coming to power.
"Elites" don't choose the nominees, the voters do.
The elites pick the menu and give recommendations to a relatively naive voter base. If someone orders food from a menu at a restaurant; did the customer pick their food or did the restaurant pick their food out of the available options? Lets say you want to eat a hamburger and a hamburger is not on the menu and you can't go anywhere else. Who decided that you didn't eat a hamburger? You or the restaurant?
The elites make recommendations and promote those recommendations. The voters pick from the options. The elites won't promote someone that is a threat to their power.
States decide how to run their elections, not the federal government.
So then blue states should do rank choice voting for POTUS elections and that sets the precedent for battleground states to eventually follow suit.
Wow, you're taking the most serious responsibility on earth and acting like it's on par with operating the fryer at McDonald's.
Just don't have the nukes fly unless we get attacked first and work with foreign countries to eliminate nukes.
The elites never chose Trump, in fact they all hate him.
That's fair; but in 2024 and even in 2020; the republican elites support Trump.
You said Biden underperforms which you cannot say because Biden hasn't ran since 2020, so you're just making stuff up.
He right now is losing the popular vote to Trump (2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. Kennedy vs. West vs. Stein Polls | RealClearPolling). Biden will probably lose to Trump in 2024 because people think he's mentally asleep. Dean Phillips, Cenk Uygur, or Marian Williamson would be demolishing Trump. Trump only lost in 2020 because COVID was bad then and he got the blame for COVID.
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@Double_R
Free speech means the government cannot stop you from speaking your mind. It does not protect you against criticism from the rest of society, if it did that would be the opposite of free speech because you would thn be taking away the right of others to speak their minds in opposition.
Yes; and the fact checkers can have their free speech when they post a fact check article saying 2+2=4 instead of 5.
A lie repeated often enough will be believed regardless of it's merit, it is not a solution to allow people to spew bullshit and then come from behind them to try and clean it up.
But then how do you figure out what is objectively a lie?
I would support outlawing any politician that lies about their policy positions from public office. All facts they claim are true should be backed up with a source (even if biased) and that publisher should cite their source and so on until you get to the initial primary source.
Don't say abortion should be banned if you believe it should be legal (or vice versa). If you change your mind, then fine; but then you should be upfront and say that you changed your mind and justify why you changed your mind if you did. Apply this to any issue.
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@Double_R
Fair enough. You believe in this context, there is a difference between killing and letting die, that it's better to let an undocumented Mexican die than to kill an American Citizen that is convicted of murder to some people.
I just think it's a crazy belief and I don't agree with the people with that belief.
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@Best.Korea
So you believe people that choose to not have kids should go to jail but people that commit r*** shouldn't?
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@Best.Korea
so those who dont procreate should be considered similar to murderers.
You are not attracted to women; you aren't even attracted to adults. I'm not knocking you for that since you don't act on it, but you will never reproduce.
Not wanting to reproduce is not something that should be punishable by death. Otherwise, we would have to execute you.
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@JoeBob
What about the weather is nice? It's cold in France; it feels like summer in Jamacia.
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@Double_R
If you're dumb enough to think democrats are ok with executing babies after birth, there is no debunking it.
If the left doesn't de bunk it, then they will believe it and your abortion position will get straw manned.
You got to fight against the right wing matrix. Maybe ask them, "What is a republican?" I got numerous people to basically denounce conservatism after they realized they couldn't answer that question consistently.
What on earth are you talking about? Who's censoring you?
I'm not saying someone is; but this was a point about how you can't censor speech just because you believe it's incorrect.
Lets say someone said something everyone for the most part believes is false (2+2=5). Let them say 2+2=5, but then have a fact check article stating that 2+2=4.
If someone says, "The COVID vaccines cause 2 million deaths.", then let them have free speech, and also have the fact checkers post a link that says how useful COVID vaccienes are.
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@Double_R
You can't seriously believe this. Not only does this make absolutely no sense, bit it's just factually wrong and I already explained why.
I think I do; I think the politicians of both parties are in bed with each other and they are screwing over the American people.
Correct, which is why I support ranked choice voting 100%. But that's not our system so until it is we have to deal with the system we have.
If Biden wanted to take down Trump, then he would do rank choice voting.
Please respond to the points I made.
I try too, but you write a lot.
None of them had a serious shot of winning the White House.
Only because they lost the primary because democrats think Biden is more electable (when he isn't).
people want someone who has shown that they can get the job done.
It's easy to get the job done if you want too if you have the votes; but politicians campaign on doing things, and when their party gets a majority of power, they don't follow through because the moment they fix the problem, they reduced a lot of the reason people come to the polls, especially if there is a concession from the other party. If the GOP became pro choice and conceded abortion to the democrats, then all the pro choice voters are going to have to pick a different issue to vote on (and that issue might cause them to vote conservative).
Just because I agree with you on some policy positions doesn't mean you're qualified to hold the nuclear codes.
All that matters with nuclear codes is you don't send any nukes flying (maybe unless we get attacked first); it's easy.
Right... Which means the "elites" didn't pick the nominee, the base did.
And who influences the base? The elites. If the elites said a year ago that DeSantis was beating Trump by 20 percentage points, then the base just follows suit. The elites decided on Trump first, they had that reflect the polling, and the base followed because the base of both parties are sheep.
The vast majority of democrats can't on their own name a single policy difference between Pete Buttigieg and Beto O Rouke. If the democrat elites decide that Beto will have a higher approval rating among them, then that translates down to the base voter since the base voter can't tell them ideologically apart.
the point is that if someone wants to take political office and make decisions on behalf of the people that they be accountable.
Except they won't be held accountable. If Trump shoots someone in public, then most MAGA people will still vote for him; if Trump gets his fat ass in a pool and saves a toddler from drowning to death, then most Never Trumpers will still vote against him (like about 95% in both camps).
The vast majority of voters have their mind made up on Trump.
If Clinton won in 2016 women would still have control over their bodies, as just one example.
I said similar policies. If Biden beats Trump in 2024, then abortion laws will still be up to the states unless a conservative judge dies (which I don't foresee that happening in 4 years). Even if it does, you would need the following to change abortion policy in the left direction:
1. At least one more conservative judge dies than liberal judge.
2. A democrat is POTUS
3. A House of representatives being majority democrat
4. A senate being majority democrat
Trump got lucky enough where he had all 4.
And if elected again he will take an axe to every political norm we have on steroids, because unlike in 2016 he has an entire movement behind him to fire every civil service worker in the federal government and replace them not with people who are loyal to the constitution, but loyal to Trump himself.
And Biden will let it happen by refusing to implement Rank Choice Voting, which would break up the MAGA cult.
Biden and Trump are in bed and the American people are getting fucked over.
If you understand anything about why the United States has always been the envy of the world, then this isn't a contest.
1st and 2nd amendments; along with a hyper individualistic spirit.
The polls are close right now but Biden is quickly overtaking Trump as people as starting to pay more attention
2024 General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. Kennedy vs. West vs. Stein Polls | RealClearPolling. It might change, but Trump is winning the popular vote (normally the thing almost always won by democrats).
Plus democrats have outperformed in nearly every election over the past two years.
Local elections are Generic Democrat vs MAGA Republican. In these elections, the generic democrat outperforms.
In a Generic Democrat vs Generic Republican election, it's roughly tied.
In a Biden vs Generic Republican election, the generic republican wins.
We have Biden v Trump.
Biden underperforms because people think he's not mentally sharp. Me personally; I think if you give him Anderol (which is fine), then he functions well. But public perception matters for who you want to face off against Trump to appeal to independent voters.
Dean Phillips is a Generic democrat. Dean Phillips vs Trump; Dean Phillips wins.
No matter who the candidate is they're going to get hit with an onslaught of attack ads and propaganda.
They got less to work with than with Biden; Dean Phillips isn't an old person.
People will believe anything they want and what they want is to believe their political opposition is worse than they are.
This works on the MAGA crowd; but not the independents.
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@sadolite
At least you are honest.
I'm a free speech absolutist as well.
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@JoeBob
Personality I would rather visit Paris then Jamaica.
Why?
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@Best.Korea
there is a huge difference between creating life and saving life.No, I dont think there is any significant difference.
If that was true, then it would be legal for parents to murder their 8 year old son (they merely destroyed what they created). You destroy your own artwork; it's legal. You destroy your own photo; it's legal. You destroy your own child (post birth to avoid abortion tangent); it's murder.
It should be illegal to murder your 8 year old child.
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@JoeBob
People like visiting white majority countries more than non white majority countries.
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@Double_R
If one values life above all else the rest falls into place perfectly consistently.
If one values life above all else, then they would be anti death penalty, but they would also be anti deportation because deportations produce death.
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@Double_R
If you believe Trump is saying false things, then debunk those false things.
You don't think a zygote is a human being; I do. Only one of us is right; censoring us because the government thinks we are incorrect is censorship.
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@Double_R
as long as these two remain relatively healthy and there is no political bomb that significantly changes things, one of these two individuals will be sworn in this coming January.
They will always be politically healthy as long as people refuse to vote 3rd party.
And because it is our reality voting for anyone else is nothing more than symbolic garbage that only benefits the candidate you least prefer.
Rank Choice Voting solves this.
Not only is this a terrible strategy for either side to purposefully nominate a candidate people don’t want
The democrat elites and the republican elites work together to give us 2 bad options and if we vote 3rd party, then they claim it's a "wasted vote". They rigged the last election against Ross Perot.
No serious candidate challenged Biden
What made Cenk Uyghur, RFK, Dean Phillips or Marian Williamson not serious? You (as a socialist) agree with Williamson and Cenk more.
the Republican base rejected all of their other options.
That's because they like Trump's vibes and the Non Trump vote got split. This led to the base eventually supporting Trump.
The presidential election is held independently in each state, the federal government has no say in how that works and even if they did Biden would have to get Congress on board which in today’s polarized climate would be impossible.
If Biden isn't going to get Rank Choice Voting done, then what's the point in voting for him? Trump wins and he takes away democracy. How is that much different than what we have now? We went from 2 parties to 1. If Biden wins, he can't get the GOP to agree to stuff, so what's the point in Biden being in the Oval Office?
Very similar policies will be passed with Biden vs Trump (except for abortion; which I agree with Trump more on than Biden).
To claim Biden is just as power hungry is an absurd statement based on nothing more than lies just like this one.
Then why doesn't he step down and give the VP position to Kamala, who then gives it to someone more electable to beat Trump, drops out, and then that electable democrat becomes the nominee. Biden isn't electable; he's losing the popular vote to Trump.
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@Best.Korea
It produces some harm, but most of the rape victims still want to live and still enjoy life.
If I get a knife and cut off all the fingers on your left hand, you still would want to enjoy life. It doesn't mean it's okay to cut someone's fingers off.
1. Letting woman get raped and saving a kid's lifeOr2. Saving woman from rape and letting a kid die,
I would pick #1; but that's not what's being compared as there is a huge difference between creating life and saving life. Creating a life is neutral; having kids is optional; getting a vasectomy is not the same as murdering a kid that doesn't exist yet because they weren't yet conceived. Saving a life is good.
Not having kids is not the same as murdering kids, and not having kids is much better than committing r***. Kids that don't even exist yet don't have rights.
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@Best.Korea
I'm going to go ahead and not justify the R word even if a kid gets created from it.
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@Best.Korea
He only caused her some harm
The R word produces a lot of harm to women.
but he produced more life as a result, so I would say he shouldnt get death penalty, because he didnt destroy life but he created it.
That's not a good enough reason. People should not be forced to create kids (if a kid's life starts at conception).
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@JoeBob
I don't think Jamacia is at war with anyone.
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@Double_R
How can one not want to give undocumented immigrants free healthcare (which would be implied if you want to deport them) and want to give murderers free healthcare (which would be implied if you don't want to execute them)?
Murderers are obviously worse.
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@Double_R
Opinionated speech is political by definition. Yelling, "Fire" on a plane is not opinionated speech.
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@Double_R
I don't see it like that; if the election was between Robert E Lee and Hitler, then I hope everyone would vote for someone else. I also think our politicians have noticed that the worse the democrat and republican candidate are, the higher percentage the democrats and republicans will get because the people that vote for Biden are voting against Trump and vice versa, and bad politicians on both sides create fear that cause people to do what is needed to prevent that bad politician from attaining power. I think our elites have noticed and as a result, they are giving us bad Biden and bad Trump because they know fear creates less 3rd party vote than hope.
If Biden wants to get rid of Trump, then he can implement rank choice voting so the "spoiler effect" goes away. But he won't do that because Biden is just as power hungry as Trump is.
I'm voting 3rd party.
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@Best.Korea
But he created life, so it seems unfair to kill him for that.
He's being killed for casing huge amounts of harm to the woman that he r***d, not because he reproduced. Consensual sex doesn't get you prosecuted, r*** should. If he r***d her and she didn't get pregnant, then he should still face death.
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My school says, "Racism is bad". Alright.
They also advertise trips to France.
Why just France? Why not offer trips to Niger as well? Or South Sudan (and not have to learn French)? Or the Bahamas (and travel somewhere close)?
Chat GPT states over twice as many Americans toured France (Far away, Francophone, expensive, cold) as Jamacia (Close, Anglophone, cheap, warm). Tourists tend to be liberal and young.
Liberal American tourists prefer White countries to non-white ones. I'm not racist; I'd rather tour Jamacia; but I don't like travelling, so I won't do either.
They like pretending they aren't racist as they are and if you call them out on it, then they get offended.
I prefer Tom Boui (white guy) (Poudii VS America’s Most Racist Man (DELETED SCENES) (youtube.com)). At least he is honest about it (and he's funny).
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@Best.Korea
Now, Bible tells us not to judge, not to seek revenge and to love everyone. That is what The New Testament is about.
Well, God is dead in American Society; and quite frankly; in western society too.
The West's religion is not Christianity; it is westernism, and westernism calls for outlawing pedophillia. It is not in the westernist religion to be all loving.
Here is the west's moral code: Anything the west does is good; anything not done by the west and also done by the 3rd world is bad.
The world is becoming more western because the west is the most successful region on this planet.
Western society wants to have all of their laws be western while also denying being racist.
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@FLRW
I've made original lyrics to songs before; it's not that hard. All Korea did was make a parody (a parody I largely agree with; but if you sing it, then it won't sound good).
Cory Marks is a great artist; but he doesn't have connections; so his music isn't super popular.
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@Best.Korea
That argument can be used to outlaw any prison sentences longer than 18 years old.
But it is better that a child is raised by a single mother than raised by 2 parents if one is a r**ist. A father like that would be a terrible role model for their kid, especially since a step dad would be better.
A ra**st as a male role model is going to fuck a kid up.
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@sadolite
I asked a yes or no question and you did not give a yes or no answer.
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@Best.Korea
A roast has to be actually true (which his was not).
If you roast Mike Pence by claiming he paid for an abortion, you didn't roast him; your roast is just incorrect and it makes you look stupid. You make that roast about Herschel Walker, and you sound more accurate; because if you want abortion banned, then you see him as a murderer, and everyone sees him as a hypocrite regardless of abortion stance.
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The Left: Help the Gaza Strip!
The right: Invade the Gaza Strip!
Me: Listen to the Gaza strippers. They ROCK!
Suburban Summer is Coming and Suburban Spring is here!
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OTI - Google Sheets. If anyone has a disagreement, then you can state it if you want too.
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@Best.Korea
ANAL is an acronym.
ANti Abortion Legalization.
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You want abortion banned because it kills an innocent human being. How many zygotes do you believe is equal to the life of a woman? If the answer is 1, then lets say a woman is pregnant and she has a 49% chance of dying without an abortion. Should she be allowed to get an abortion? If you believe the 2 are equal, then the answer is no because it's expected that more lives will die as a result of abortion than if birth continues.
The only rebuttal is the belief that a zygote is not equal to a woman, and if woman=human and zygote < woman, then zygote < human.
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I'm voting for someone who never thought their uncle got eaten by a cannibal after falling from the sky and someone that never thought George Washington conquered airports.
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@Best.Korea
Can you name 5 things you like about Hitler?
1. He was vegetarian.
2. He thought the sky is blue.
3. He was in good shape.
4. He helped increase the US population (by causing many people to flee there and head to America; the world's freedom outpost)
5. He made anti semetism less popular in the long term because he gave it a bad rep. Before Hitler, saying, "Jews drink Christain blood" was more acceptable than it is now because the Halocaust in the long run shifted the west's overton window from, "Should Jews be prosecuted for being Jews?" to, "Should those advocating that Jews be prosecuted be prosecuted?".
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@sadolite
I cant stand far left speech, I think its fucking retarded and evil. But I believe in free speech
Does that apply to all of the following:
1. Pro pedophilia speech (what causes Korea to get banned temporarily)
2. Pro BDS speech
3. Burning the US flag
4. Pro LGBT books (excluding child porn and similar) in elementary school libraries
5. Letting left wing teachers program kids into believing far left ideology
If not, then you aren't as pro free speech as you claim and most right wingers would want to ban at least one of those.
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Person A: it’s to protect marginalised people from the hate mongering that’s happening online.
Me: This argument can be applied to any form of conservative speech. I'm going to go with NOT banning conservative speech because of an allegation that it goes after marginalized people.
Person A: if conservative speech consists of fear-mongering against marginalised people, that says everything we need to know about conservatives :)
Me: That is the majority of what conservatives believe. But would you censor all conservative speech? Yes or no. Either it will be legal to say speech that affects marginalized people or it will be illegal to state conservative opinions. You got to pick. I pick free speech (I don't support banning books).
Person A: i would censor bigots, without a second thought.
Me: At least you are honest; you would censor republican leaners (about half of the country) because you believe they are bigoted.So then if you censor the republican party (whom you would believe all of their opinions are bigoted, so to you, they are bigots), then what would be the opposition to democrats? Is one party rule what you want where all oppression is minimized?
"Banning hate speech" is code for, "banning all speech we think is hateful, aka conservative speech."
Protect free speech! And republicans; until you eliminate all the anti BDS laws in your state that make you sign a pledge stating that you won't boycott Israel and until you guys support the right to burn an American flag and the right to sit for the national anthem to protest police brutality, you guys don't believe in free speech either; so spare me your fake outrage.
I'm a free speech absolutist, and very few people are.
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