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@Double_R
Your only attempt rested on the notion that choosing the lesser of two evils (giving free healthcare to murderers)
Giving free healthcare to murderers to prevent them from dying is the dichotomy; either give free healthcare to murderers or be the reason they die from action or inaction (I prefer killing them).
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@Double_R
Do you believe it should be legal to tell bomb on a plane?
No because that is not political speech. But all political speech should be legal to say.
All conservative speech can be argued to be hate speech. Should it be banned? No.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If .5% of Americans are ra**sts and 1% of immigrants are, then the immigrants are twice as likely to be ra**sts. But it shouldn't matter because 99% of them don't r***. Those that actually r*** should get the electric chair.
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I have a consistent, "trust the jury" ethos with if someone is guilty or innocent of something that is obviously wrong if guilty. I believe Andrew Tate and OJ Simpson are both innocent.
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I want to see who likes what comments. Right now it's hidden.
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@RationalMadman
I want to be stereotyped.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Plenty of murder happens in red and blue America. Most people aren't violent regardless of political beliefs.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
A juror in the Trump trial was dismissed because they once posted on line Lock him up!
Pretty much everyone in the US has a very strong opinion of Trump. If 12 people who thought like you are on the Court, then you would convict Trump of a felony if all he is accused of was speeding. If 12 people who disagreed with you were on the Court, then there could be undeniable evidence that Trump committed the R word to dozens of kids on Epstein's island and he would be let off.
Pretty much nobody is neutral on Trump, but they are the only ones who can make a good jury as they are impartial.
I think in this emergency, you need to find 12 orphans in a 3rd world country who don't even know who Trump is (and don't even know English), ship them to the US, and they would get to decide if Trump is guilty. These kids should not know of Trump's opinion on immigration or any issue that would have nothing to do with whether or not he is a criminal. At the end of the trial, they should be shipped back to their home countries unless some American is willing to adopt them. They would get taken care of by the federal government until the trial; that will be their reward for cooperating.
12 fresh slates; it's not ideal, but it's better than any American who has a strong opinion of Trump (the vast majority).
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@Best.Korea
People really shouldnt have free speech. If it was up to me, people would need to ask permission before speaking, kinda like in school just applied to society as a whole all the time.
If you want to live by these rules, then I will aim to (at least for a while) ignore all of your responses unless you ask for permission to speak.
But I don't want to live by these rules because I believe in free speech absolutism.
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@Double_R
That tells us nothing about whether or how much how you value X in isolation, yet you are presenting the argument as if it does.
I'm not saying it does. Like, 8 year olds don't infringe on bodily autonomy; everyone supports the right to life for 8 year olds. The R word saves nobody and it's a violation of bodily autonomy; everyone is pro bodily autonomy on the R word.
It's when the 2 come into conflict that people have to pick sides.
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@Savant
The undocumented immigrant should just murder someone. Then they will have their expenses paid for by whatever government imprisons them.
Usually they get deported if they murder (so they get the same penalty as an undocumented person that doesn't murder but still gets caught).
I'm a high slope guy; I don't like a no slope policy.
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@Double_R
There are many reasons one might be pro deportation, such as the belief that immigrants are stealing our jobs and/or pushing down wages, a belief in following our immigration laws, or even straight up bigotry.
So then this person wouldn't want the undocumented getting free healthcare.
Painting the anti death penalty position as wanting murderers to get free healthcare is just downright silly.
If one supports jailing murderers, then you need free healthcare for them.
like saying Pro-life really just means you want to control women's bodies, or pro-choice really means you want to kill babies
Anti-abortioners are willing to control women's bodies to prevent homicide and those that want abortion legal are fine with homiciding the unborn in the name of bodily autonomy. I don't like positive connotations with political ideologies; I want honesty. Positive connotations are too much like a politician; who tries to be agreeable instead of honest.
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@Mall
Their are people that are not illegal aliens, citizens without healthcare or medical insurance.This is not automatically indicative of heading towards a fatality.
People without health insurance are more likely to die.
Why are there immigration laws in the first place?Is it for the welfare and security of others?
Ethnic based collectivism and government control. It is not the government's job to provide money for people unless they have a useful government job. Claiming that immigrants make America more dangerous simply for being undocumented immigrants is undocuphobia.
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@ebuc
Perverted right makes right. sick-n-head thinking.
Keep on being a whiny irrelevant bitch to half the country.
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@ebuc
You aren't changing my mind bud because you don't address my arguments. You just have a closed mind on the subject, so I aim to do that with you.
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There are many combinations many people believe are contradictions (like pro life and pro death penalty, pro life and [insert really practically any position the right has on a non abortion issue whether it's guns, vaccine mandates, mask mandates, immigration, Medicare for all, free college (more educated people tend to live longer), you name it]), or , "Education not indoctrination (but we will teach PragerU in public schools)", "Actual Nazis shouldn't get fired from their job for being Nazis but if you support Palestine, then the government can legally fire you over it", "Being anti Israel is anti sematic, but being pro Hitler isn't" (Cadence Owens liked a post I think everyone can agree is anti sematic and the right likes her, but if she endorsed Palestine, then she's an unforgivable anti semite). I'm pretty sure we can agree that liking a post that stereotypes Jews as drinking Christain blood is way more anti sematic than not wanting the Israeli military to attack Gaza.
But here is why it is a contradiction to be anti death penalty and pro deportation.
If you are pro deportation, then you don't want undocumented immigrants getting free healthcare and having their living expenses paid for by the state.
If you are anti death penalty, then you do want murderers or similar getting free healthcare and having their living expenses paid for by the state.
It is a contradiction to treat undocumented immigrants worse than murderers. Murderers are worse.
They are ILLEGAL immigrants
The term, "Illegal immigrant" is synonymous with, "Undocumented immigrant" and the only difference is connotation. Those who see no problem with them being here will refer to them as undocumented. Those who do see a problem with them being here refer to them as being illegal. Use whatever term you prefer. I don't think it's wrong that they are here; so I use undocumented. I won't police your speech; you don't police mine.
I happen to believe the high slope punishment policy; the very bad crimes (murder; r***) should get death as punishment; the harmless crimes should get no punishment.
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@zedvictor4
I think that's a rumor; although I can raw dog with a vasectomy.
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@JoeBob
If I say:
California: We protect a woman's right to choose
Then it's obvious it's not the piece of land saying it; but their government.
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Egypt: HOW DARE ISRAEL oppress the Gazans. They are human beings. They need protection.
Me: What do you guys think about annexing Gaza?
Egypt: HELL NO! WE DON'T WANT THEIR GHETTO TRASH!
Me: But you want Israel to treat them equally to Israelis?
Egypt: Yes.
Me: But you won't treat them to Egypitians?
Egypt: Yes.
Me: Sounds a bit hypocritical.
(similar for Jordan vs West Bank)
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@Double_R
So you're advocating for outlawing sex?
Nope; just like I think it should be legal to do tobacco. I just think recreational sex without a vasectomy is a bad idea, just like smoking.
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@Double_R
GP will dodge the question because he is a coward. Me personally; I'm alright with starving kids so I can save money on taxes, but that's because I don't care about how popular my views are and I'm willing to defend my views even if it's unpopular to do so because I don't grift.
But if you want to get creative, then ask GP (because he blocked me) if he is fine with raising taxes on the globalists to fund free food for American Patriots (defined as anyone who loves America so much that they decided to move here, which would encompass illegal/undocumented immigrants).
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@ludofl3x
You know what, based on what I've seen, I think I agree. You should definitely get a vasectomy.
You are correct (as should every anti abortion man before they have sex with a person that can get pregnant), but I want to store pre vasectomy sperm in a hospital freezer if I ever want biological kids with my genes.
Explain to me why the probability over twelve years is 78% again.
98% efficacy for one year.
.98^12=.785.
I majoring in Stats; I know what I'm talking about.
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@ludofl3x
you are aware that there are options for birth control that aren't abortion and vasectomies, right
They aren't reasonably close to 100% effective. It's easily possible for someone to use a condom and get a pregnancy over the course of several years.
There is a 98% annual success rate for condoms if used perfectly. But people have sex for multiple years without wanting a kid. Lets say it's 12 years.
.98^12=78.5% chance of avoiding pregnancy all those years.
The odds of surviving a generic Russian Roulette round is higher than that.
I don't like playing stupid games, so I'm getting the vasectomy before I have sex with a woman that can get pregnant.
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@Double_R
Smoking is an action, that's not comparable to a physical state where you are sacrificing your well being and risking your health.
Smoking is an addictive action; recreational sex is an addictive action. Totally legal to do; but the moment the smoker harms someone else in the name of their addiction (or the pregnant person), then it becomes a problem that should be illegal.
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@Mall
Being against abortion but for vasectomy is conflicting.
It's not as vasectomies reduce the abortion rate.
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@zedvictor4
Don't be fooled into thinking that things will be quite the same after vasectomy.
Why?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So maybe then don't call yourself a label then that you don't care about the definition (and this may mean vote for the more pro freedom party on social issues if your name has the word, "Liberty" in it). Liberal and Liberty I imagine have a lot in common.
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If someone wants to smoke tobacco, then should they be allowed to do so? Yes.
Should they be allowed to rob you to satisfy their tobacco addiction? No.
But their body, their choice? Unless we accept that bodily autonomy is worth less than $8 for a pack of tobacco, and therefore, worth less than a baby's life (because a baby's life is worth more than $8).
If a woman doesn't want pregnancy, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before they have sex.
I'm anti-abortion (I think abortion should be punished with community service) and I'm getting a vasectomy before I have sex with any woman that can get pregnant.
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@Mall
Or it could be because minorities are more scared of the majority and therefore easier to manipulate. It's why Hasidic Jews are easy to manipulate; the GOP says pro Israel stuff and they vote red despite living a lifestyle conservatives would despise (being on welfare while having at least 7 kids on average, following a very left wing religion, etc). Larger groups are harder to manipulate. It's why Hispanics are becoming more conservative as they increase in number; they are becoming the new Italians. Jews will always be rare.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What does it mean to be fiscally conservative?
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@WyIted
I dont think I mentioned voting against them but what if you have pro rape views abd work hard towards rape legalization?
If you have the pro r*** views, then as a Civilian, I don't think our politicians would care and most don't even know you exist. But if you have those views as a POTUS, then I would vote against you, even if the alternate candidate is horrible too (lets say they believe burning living babies should be legal) because I would vote 3rd party.
Where do you find places for only 1k a month? I can't find a place for less than 2500 unless I live around black people
I was guessing, but lets say rent was $3000/month. Would you rather pay $3000/month for rent with no drug test or pay $0/month for rent with a drug test?
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@Mall
It is; but it's a parody of BLM.
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@WyIted
Maybe it's shit like buying a $5 stapler for $100 . Maybe it's cutting funding from DeI programs or eliminating regulatory bodies
This does not make up a big part of the federal budget so it makes sense to vote on other sources of liberty if you are libetarian (like social issues which the democrats tend to be more libetarian on with the exceptions for this being social issues where the libetarian stance produces more pain). Like I would consider myself more socially libetarian than socially left; but at least they have a standard (reducing unwanted pain). The right isn't socially LUSHO.
Me: What about unemployment benefits? If a dad is unemployed, then should his kids suffer from lack of unemployment benefits?Yes
At least you are honest. Just don't expect being alright with children starving and suffering that to be very popular to the party that cares about family values.
Me: So you want to cut government spending?Fiscal conservative (FC): Yes.Me: On what; exactly?FC: Bureaucratic waste.Me: Is it social security? Do you want elderly people to suffer more?FC: yes
Me: What about Medicaid or Medicare? Do you want poor and old people to suffer more?FC: No to the suffering but if we look at trends that took place prior to health insurance being a thing in the United states thanks to FDR than health care was much more affordable and doctors had no issue doing some amount of probono work.
If healthcare produced less death and suffering pre FDR, then it would have been privitized. Life in the 19th century was horrible.
Me: What about unemployment benefits? If a dad is unemployed, then should his kids suffer from lack of unemployment benefits?FC: his kid shouldn't suffer so hopefully he gets another job instead of laying around like a bum making his kid sufferMe: Do you want to stop paying interest on the debt? Do you want the debt to get bigger?FC: yes. Must don't pay the debt. If China has a problem with us not paying a debt than thy can take a nuke to their fucking face
How anti war of you; threatening to nuke China.
Me: Yeah; I think I'm going to side with the left on this one because I refuse to adopt a masculine ideology and want to suck the governments fat cock
Insults from the woke mob. You think Mark Kelly has a feminine ideology? But I think most men would be fine with increased government spending if the alternative is children starving to death; but they don't think it through like they should. If they do think it through and they can tolerate children starving to death, then fine; just acknowledge that.
But eliminating social security would turn the conservative elderly people into a group that votes bluer than the inner city.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Why ask me?
Because it's what you want to do when you call yourself fiscally conservative. What government program do you want to cut?
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@FishChaser
That would be wealth privilege and connection privilege; not Jewish privilege. A poor Hasidic Jewish person living in Kiryas Joel doesn't benefit from Hollywood connections.
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@WyIted
A lot work and just need to save up money to get into a home and some can't because housing prices are too high.
Then they can live in a cheaper suburb. I do think it should be easier to build in Manhattan; but Manhattan has no land to build.
You responded fast so did you consider my suggestions at all or are you in rebuttal mode and just interested in shooting down ideals?
It was entirely coincidence. I sometimes am in rebuttal mode and sometimes I am not.
I considered the suggestions, but they are left wing suggestions (except making it easier to build a home when this issue is up to local government and a suggestion I agreed with), so if you agree with them, then give the left credit.
Yeah you are just in shoot down mode.
That's my bad. I just have huge adrenaline rushes and that gets in the way of my thinking.
I have some leftist views. So what . As does Donald Trump.
That's fine; but you seem like a conservative guy. I got right wing views on guns, free speech, abortion, and vax mandates, but I'm left on Qualified immunity, government spending, the confederate flag, and immigration.
Policy makers.
How do policy makers enslave people who depend on them?
What happens when you depend on the government.1. Have a bad political view, they can remove your funding for that house they Gave you?2. Smoke Crack? If you have a large enough amount than no you didn't you are now a dealer and a felon, no subsidies.
I don't think the government will take away your house if you vote against them. My left wing Dad didn't kick me out for political disagreements and he actually has to live with me.
Not being allowed to smoke crack isn't slavery. Slavery is being forced to work with no compensation.
Here are some they may have1. Monthly drug tests to stay in government housing2. Must reside in state of housing for 2 years with evidence3. Must have less than 3 kids.
If I was homeless (or even middle class), then I would rather live by these rules than pay $1000/month for rent.
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@FishChaser
That is true, but society doesn't care if you are white, black, Jewish, or Gentile. These groups should stop playing the victim.
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@FishChaser
I don't believe in white privilige or black privilige or Jewish or Gentile privilgie. Stop playing the victim.
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@WyIted
Government housing is just another way to enslave the poor.
Who is enslaving the poor by this happening?
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@WyIted
1. If you support this, then you are starting to not sound fiscally conservative as this is more government spending.
2. Housing prices can be 50% of what they are now; the homeless won't be able to afford them. The homeless can move to a suburb where it's cheaper than San Fransisco. You should be allowed to build new housing in San Fransisco and loosen a lot of the regulations; but don't act like it will help people that are unemployed and have no money.
3. This is a left wing position; tax cuts for the poor.
4. Hundreds of millions is $.3 billion. $300 billion is needed to wipe out homelessness (about 1/3 of the military budget).
5. This point sounds very leftist.
You are sounding very leftist right now and it's fine if you acknowledge that; but just understand that.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You dodged the question. What do you plan on cutting to make your spending cuts a reality?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Of course it's going to be more expensive in urban Staten island. The federal government can build homes for the homeless in the suburbs. Better that than spending the money on wars in Ukraine.
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Believing in white privilege because whites are less likely to get in trouble is like believing in Indian privilege because the same is true for Indians relative to whites.
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Fiscal conservative: I want low taxes.
Me: So you want to cut government spending?
Fiscal conservative (FC): Yes.
Me: On what; exactly?
FC: Bureaucratic waste.
Me: Is it social security? Do you want elderly people to suffer more?
FC: No.
Me: Is it the military?
FC: No.
Me: What about Medicaid or Medicare? Do you want poor and old people to suffer more?
FC: No
Me: What about unemployment benefits? If a dad is unemployed, then should his kids suffer from lack of unemployment benefits?
FC: No
Me: Do you want to stop paying interest on the debt? Do you want the debt to get bigger?
FC: No
Me: Well, that's 82% of the budget (2021 Budget). What do you want to cut?
FC: Something else (and this something else may be important or not important, but I won't do my research on it because I'm going to assume it's unimportant even though it easily could be).
Me: Yeah; I think I'm going to side with the left on this one.
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If someone has no rights, then it means someone can shoot you, eat your body, and legally get away with it because you would have no rights.
Either you believe undocumented immigrants should get at least some rights or you support the right to cannibalize undocumented immigrants.
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@WyIted
Quick question. What happens to wages when there are more people competing for jobs than companies competing for talent?
What does this have to do with giving taxpayer funded housing (which I'm not a fan of; but would prefer to taxpayer funded war/genocide (for Ukraine in case you need the right wing virtue signal)?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I live in a blue state; the house I live in is a little more than $500K, but it's a moderately big house. $500K is above the median home price in most states (Median Home Price By State 2024 – Forbes Advisor).
But you (and all other fiscal conservatives) won't back this position because you have a party to stick too.
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