TheUnderdog

1. 8. 2020 electionIt happened? 
   
2. 15. Believe women, good or bad?I dont understand. 
   
3. 26. Ye WestI dont know much about him. 
   
4. 42. CRT I dont know what that is.
   
5. 49. HitlerBad. 
   
6. 52. SexWhat about sex? 
   
7. 64. Voting People should vote?
   
8. 68. Qualified immunity support I am not sure I know what that is.
   
9. 73. Wage gapBan luxury items, then I dont care what the wage is. 
   

You can, but you dont have to. Thats the beauty of arbitrary morality. It doesnt require any consistency.

Well, maybe. I am not sure who selected it.

With Forged documentation.  

You can obtain all them rights. 

You know how militaries get to kill civilians under excuse of protecting more civilians?

You get forced to be vaccinated under excuse of protecting others.

People operate with the data they know.

Or they operate without data at all

 if you see content that infuriates you, and you respond to it

In the past you predicted DeSantis would be the nominee and the country would be in a recession this year. You don’t seem to be good a predicting anything 

 We were talking about what voter suppression means, I was just using an example. You focused on your attitude towards that one example, not the topic.

Because then we would need a new label for every single deviation, which would number in the hundreds or even thousands.

 Libertarian means socially left while economically right, authoritarian means socially right while economically left.

Someone could easily be on the political left on every issue but be a 2nd amendment absolutist.

Tommi Lauren is as right wing as they come on every issue, yet she is pro choice.

Again, labels are just basic descriptions, they're not supposed to tell you where any individual stands on every issue.

First of all, shipping food to your house is more expensive, not everyone has that option.

 I could have easily used going to work

 or how about casting your ballot if you live in a state that doesn't let you vote by mail?

If you don't value the hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been saved had we done things differently then I guess not.

Curious... Suppose COVID mutated and became 5x more contagious with a death rate of 35%. Would you then support lock downs and vaccine mandates?

Half of the things you respond to I didn't say.

I don't recall dropping any relevant points, if I did feel free to bring them back up and I would be glad to address it and explain why I didn't the first time of done so intentionally.

You also seem to misunderstand libertarianism. Libertarians are leftists when it comes to social policy and are on the political right when it comes to economic policy.

Some Social issues the libetarians and the left disagree on:

1. Gun control

2. Vacciene mandates

3. Mask mandates

4. Testing requirements

5. Free speech absolutism

Some economic issues libetarians and the conservatives disagree on:

1. Free trade

2. Corporate welfare

3. Funding the Israeli military

4. Military spending

The idea that libetarians are, "Fiscally conservative, socially left" is incorrect.

Every important person in an industry, much less dozens of industries, colluding to promote the same ideology, purely for ideological reasons, and deny access to basic services to those who run contrary to such, isn't a natural product of free markets.

And yes, I'll admit free markets aren't enough to solve this. Everyone has an issue that they break with their camp on, and this is mine.

But since the bulk of human speech has migrated onboard platforms like Facebook Twitter, Reddit, etc., to the unnatural exclusion from said discourse of anyone who lacks access to these platforms, these companies deserve to be considered as powerful as governments in this regard and regulated as though they were governments.

Sure. If it can be proven in court that a black man (or a person of any race) was brutalized by cops and that he didn't create circumstances which justified their conduct, then let the appropriate remedies be taken.

"Healthy -at-any-size" is a far-left delusion.

They also claim a man can get pregnant and that there is no standard definition for a woman.

 Fat positivity encourages people to be 5 times the size of Trump. 

Trump didn't die at 30 from morbid obesity.

 A politician is more likely to be woke

Those people in the video all died at around 30 with the full blessing of the far-left "fat-positivity"

Irrelevant.

I was using college ID's as an example to explain to you what voter suppression is. 

There is no evidence whatsoever that illegal immigrants are flocking to the polls

New York City gives noncitizens right to vote in local elections | CNN Politics.

Your response:

New York city policy on local elections has nothing to do with voter fraud or the lack of evidence thereof.

Political ideologies are not defined in terms of absolutes. 

The party in power gets to decide, that's why we have elections.

Catching an STI because you chose to have unprotected sex is not the same thing as catching a virus because you needed bread and milk. 

Plus, STI's are not going to shut down the country.

so it's no wonder you constantly and consistently strawman everyone else.

Not on pourpose

It is clearly on purpose. If not directly, then you are at the least purposefully refusing to reflect on it.

A RINO is an ultra-center rightist who holds normal right-wingers in disdain. 

 But in the long-run he's helping them shift the Overton Window left, and eventually he himself will be dubbed a radical whose politics are outside the mainstream.

Additionally, see Parler, which overall was to the left of Gab but nonetheless was temporarily purged from the internet after January 6, because big tech stopped hosting the website and they had to find a new business partner.

The US is the only Western country where you don't have to fear being literally arrested and prosecuted for expressing an opinion as basic as "marriage is between a man and a woman", much less a more hardcore right-wing sentiment.

Nonetheless, "this violation of my rights is okay because other people have been violated even worse" is how you get fascism.

What would remain is a sad echo chamber between leftists of all stripes and a tiny handful of ultra-vanilla RINOs

 the same "demon of censorship" came to possess every sizable tech company all at once in the second half of the 2010s. 

If an otherwise racist likes there being black people in the US to grow the GDP, so be it.

What are you saying here? 

If college ID's are banned, then many college students will find themselves without the ID necessary to vote, meaning they will now have to spend their own time and money to get what they need.

There is no evidence whatsoever that illegal immigrants are flocking to the polls

You also seem to misunderstand libertarianism. Libertarians are leftists when it comes to social policy and are on the political right when it comes to economic policy.

 I supported vaccine mandates because we were dealing with a highly contagious disease, so your refusal to get yourself vaccinated (based on the available data at that time) endangers all of us. 

 First of all there is nothing about the fact that it's two men or two women which increases the spread of STI's, that's just bigotry plain and simple. But more importantly, you have to choose to have sex and you have to choose to do so unprotected. You can't catch an STI on line at the grocery store.

so it's no wonder you constantly and consistently strawman everyone else.

Following facts, logic and evidence is not treating scientists likes religion.

Yes, statements and beliefs that make no sense and are factually untrue.

while conservatives believe in nonsense

and make stuff up that aligns with their ignorance and their distorted worldview.

because liberals live in reality

This is a debate site, not a court of law.

Well I'm not black, first of all, that's really my picture in my avatar ; )

 If I pass a new voter ID law that says college ID's are invalid while hunting licenses are fine, we don't need a ferensic study to know that less college kids will vote while more hunters will, and we know which party that is going to help.

Advocates for these laws love to pretend that the way to examine them is by looking at how it impacts the individual, as if relatively rare cases shouldn't count in our analysis. 

Political positions are not a matter of randomness which we can evaluate via statistical probabilities, they are the result of how we see the world.

 Abortion, gay marriage & transgender rights for example are not random unconnected issues. If you believe in letting and supporting people living their lives how they see fit, you're going to be on the left on all of them. If your views are based deeply in religion, you're probably going to be on the right on all of them.

“The human life cycle, from zygote to adult organism”.

Letting and supporting people living their lives how they see fit.

Letting and supporting people living their lives how they see fit.

There's a clear link there, in one study they actually traced it back to the level of disgust they felt when viewing certain images, which upon further study was traced back to the size of the papillae on their tongues.

Studies have been done on this

As noted above, by being exposed to secondhand smoke, non-smokers are effectively smoking. However, it’s worse than if you were smoking tobacco directly, particularly if you inhale sidestream smoke. 

No one is litigating whether Trump supporters can vote

They are truly un-American and don’t deserve the right to vote.

 Voter suppression: Passing laws with the knowledge and intention that such laws will negatively effect a particular segment of the population's ability to vote more so than others as a means of assuring a favorable outcome.

 in your mind the question isn't what you think is right and allow your position on each issue to stand alone on its own merit, you believe there is a certain percentage of agreement with each side you need to hit in order to maintain your status as being above partisanship.

Left wing media? Reality has a well known liberal bias, right?

How many people do you believe actually paid 93% of what they produced?

That does not mean there is no opportunity cost for punishing hyper-productive people.

When the right loses, they say it's rigged.  When the left loses, they claim it's voter suppression.

Are you unable to discern truth from fiction?

I am against taking Trump off the ballot, but I also believe we need to follow the constitution, which clearly says Trump can't run.

So since you take issue with the ruling, what part do you disagree with? That Trump engaged in inserection, that the constitution bars him from running, or that we should follow the constitution?

Nice way to expand voting rights; by not letting people that disagree with you on Trump vote.

Voter suppression isn't debatable. The impacts of the laws republicans have pushed are tangible, measurable, and objective. Claims of election rigging are entirely made up.

  Has it ever occurred to you that in your need to feel above the Frey that you are every bit as biased towards equivocating as those you criticize?

Anything labeled as "free" is anything but. There are no solutions, only trade-offs.

That's fine, but again, it doesn't compete with the emotions invoked by the idea of having to hand over your hard earned money to the evil greedy government.

I pointed out fear is central to right wing ideology which is not the case on the left.

If even our own resident commieland was somewhat reluctant to attempt such an outrageous move as this, then it tells you the effort to disqualify Trump from the ballot is nothing more than hyperpartisan politics as usual.

Imagine being one of the millions of wack jobs that still supports this guy. They are truly un-American and don’t deserve the right to vote.

Compare that to "get your government hands off my hard earned money!". Right wing arguments are almost in every instance overly simplistic notions that appeal to our basic emotional instincts, so they're just easier to sell.

Right wing rhetoric centers almost entirely on fear; fear of the other, fear of the big bad government coming for your rights, etc.

While left wing audiences care more about optimism.

Maybe we can force illegal aliens to work to provide this free healthcare without pay.

You don't need guards for illegal aliens, just busses to take them back home when they get tired of living in a prison room.

A hotel room is more expensive to build and maintain than a prison room. A prison room is more expensive than a tent, but more humane.

If demand is equal to supply, prices again go up because anyone selling products at lower prices will quickly run out of them, and those who sell at higher prices will become the only sellers and will earn more money.

When supply exceeds demand, what happens is not that prices go down, but capitalists reduce production to reduce supply.

After supply is reduced and becomes equal to demand, we again have Problem 2.

Also, there is the cost of production effect where even if supply is higher, price cannot go down as cost of making a product wont allow it.

Therefore, we see that in free market, even the most ideal circumstances dont enable any reduction in prices in the long run.