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@hey-yo
To them, non native and white are synonymous.
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@Best.Korea
Since some people obviously commit suicide, it follows that their life was torture and in their case, that torture was worse than death.
This is correct, but the proportion of people that commit suicide are very rare. Less than 50% of rape victims commit suicide, so murder is worse than rape.
When I said that child birth is torture, I meant that giving birth to children causes those children to be tortured in life, and in some cases, torture is worse than death.
It is very rare for a child to be tortured worse than death; otherwise the majority of children would commit suicide.
I didnt commit suicide (obviously), but I dont have any desire to live and I wish I was aborted.
Then what is stopping you from committing suicide? I would prefer it if you didn't commit suicide, but it's easy to do if it's a desire. Get a gun, get 6 bullets, put one in your head, if it fails, you got 5 insurance bullets. It should be a painless death if it's what you want.
The reason you don't do this is because you want to live more than you realize.
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The left: "No human being is illegal. Abolish ICE!"
Me: What if the US sent 200K Americans to Greenland, 700K to Iceland, had them live in these areas there for 5 years, and then they vote to get annexed by the US? If Greenland and Iceland turn them down, we call these countries Ameriphobic bigots, and then basically what happened to Hawaii happens to Iceland and Greenland. Basically what happened to Hawaii could happen to Greenland and Iceland.
No human being is illegal! America Fuck Yeah! God bless America!
Lets Diversify Iceland with people from different places with different perspectives (places like Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, Arizona, Utah, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia). Diversity is a strength!
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@Double_R
We can continue to live this life while giving back by maintaining the reservations.
Or you could just eliminate the reservations to expand the US territory. I know your position is, "Don't eliminate or expand reservations" and it's an ok position; but my standard is I think reservations should be eliminated.
But if you hate the fact that in 30 states, a rapist can sue for child custody rights, you really would only complain about that and make it thought of in the moment if you wanted to reduce that number, maybe to 0.
If one complains about the fact that the US stole Puerto Rico, that really only makes sense if you want Puerto Rico to be independent from the US.
If one complains about the fact that the non natives stole native land, that really only makes sense if you want America to go back to the Natives.
But if the left media was blunt about that for a while, the right is going to win at least 70% of the national vote because it turns out whites, Hispanics, blacks, and Asians in the US don't want to give their land back to the natives.
If you don't want America giving the land back to the natives, don't' complain about the fact that we stole this country from the Natives.
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@Best.Korea
Torture is worse than homicide.
Depends on how much torture. I consider taking the SATs to be torture. It's better to take the SATs than it is to be murdered.
Child birth is torture.
All the women in my life who have been pregnant at some point in their lives have told me it's the opposite (if they told me what their pregnancy was like).
But if pregnancy was worse than death, the majority of women who get pregnant would commit suicide.
If rape victim trauma was worse than death, the majority of rape victims would commit suicide.
Pain is temporary ; death is permanent; ride it out. Rape victims should not get raped, but if they get raped, they should not commit suicide to end their post rape life.
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@FLRW
So, isn't a Creator designing a person to die, homicide?
Define creator.
If it's God, yes. You can be a pro life atheist.
If it's your parents, no. They would extend your life as much as plausible, but they don't have the power to do that.
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@FLRW
No. Homicide is the killing of one person by another.
Nobody designed anyone else to die. There is a difference between killing and letting die.
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@Double_R
What irritates me about it is the blatant hypocrisy of those supporting Trump. These are mostly the same people who impeached Bill Clinton for lying about a blow job, but Trump was sent to us by God. Ok.
That's fair.
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@Double_R
And yet you have no problem being the beneficiary of said crimes.If I did have a problem with it, I would have to move out of the USOr, you could instead just be supportive of the fact that the country maintains these reservations.
In order to be consistently against the effects of Manifest Destiny, it requires completely moving out of the US and giving all of your land back to Native Americans.
I'm not doing that.
Native reservations should get absorbed into the rest of the US genocide free.
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@hey-yo
Is that map supposed to show land taken by whites? ..Also who or what are considered white?
It's not white vs non white. It's native vs non native.
The non natives took the vast majority of Native land and shouldn't have to return it.
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@FLRW
Aren't you designed to die? What's wrong with abortion?
Being designed to die doesn't justify homicide.
Mother to child dying from cancer: Thank God that I didn't abort you!
Such situations are very rare, but abortions should be allowed when the fetus will die at birth. It's similar to putting down a dog that is going to die soon and their life is just pain.
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@hey-yo
Please remember that the abortion debate is older than covid, climate change, and transgenderism. Skeptiscism in these newer debates/discoveries/etc. should be understood.
Climate change has been a debate since the 1960s I think. But I can understand the argument of, "Only trust established science that has been around for a long time".
Although this is not every conservative, why are we overlooking how the one time science does not cater to a pro-abortion/"left wing" political agenda - the science is ignored?See these questions can be flipped. But really amount to little benefit in dialogue or understanding.
They can. I'm not saying I'm a leftist. Although they tend to be scared of 9 months of forced maternal pain that is a result of abortion. I go after both parties over inconsistencies.
What matters is ability to have dialogue and come to a point of understanding.
Political parties make this much harder to do. It's like a Christain trying to convince a Muslim that Jesus is God or vice versa. At his point in time, very often political parties are like religions.
With religion, the argument is, "this is what god, (an all knowing entity) says, so he is correct on 100% of things". When you think you got your information from an all knowing source, you are going to believe it's 100% accurate.
Nobody believes that the democrat or GOP party is all knowing, so party platforms shouldn't be treated like religious gospel.
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@John_C_87
The person I tagged wasn't you; it was FLRW I think.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I for example would think that scientists on the topic of climate change, say the correct things, but fail to mention, why those truthful things are bad, and why pushing for certain policies would help with the situation.
So you believe climate change is real. Fine. The GOP party leaders don't think Climate change is a serious problem, contrary to what the scientists say.
As for transgenderism, I believe that the science actually helps the mostly conservative arguments.
How? A bunch of science articles I found state that transgenderism is legitimate and they define a woman as, "anyone that identifies as a woman".
As for COVID vaccination, it wasn't the science that deterred me, but the enormous evidence of corruption, lies, and political perversion of the virus.
The pro science position with the COVID vaccine is pro vaccine; whether you are pro or anti mandate is up to if you value public health or individual liberty more. But the COVID vaccine is pro science.
The left thinks the conservatives made the COVID as political as the conservatives think the left did.
I don't agree with COVID boosters, because the amount of political corruption involved.
The pro life movement has it's share of curroption as well. I've heard Jane Roe ended up being paid to say that she regretted Roe V Wade or something like that and to become a pro life activist.
I'm sure pro life science articles have had questionable funding as well, even if it's from .edu.
There will never be an article written about if a zygote is worthy of human rights based on scientific evidence that isn't funded by the pro choice or pro life lobby.
I don't agree with climate change, because of the lack of information
What more information do you need?
And I actually agree with the science of transgenderism, because it helps to prove the fact that it is a mental illness
The argument presented by the scientists is that transwomen have female brains and should transition into females if that's what the individuals want to do.
Damage is already done.
The damage with the car accident would be like the pregnancy with sex. you are allowed to undo damage if nobody else is being harmed.
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@FLRW
Restricting access to abortion goes against science, safety, and human dignity and portends a dangerous future.
How?
If you make claims, back them up.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Conservatives on abortion: The SCIENTISTS have all the answers! TRUST The SCIENTISTS!!!
Conservatives on COVID vaccination, transgenderism, climate change: Scientists are CURROPT!
From what I've noticed, when the science leans left, the conservatives claim it's because the scientists are part of the deep state. The one time when science brings about a right wing belief (zygotes are human), then the conservatives act like the pro science party.
If you want the left to agree with you on the abortion issue because of the scientist's findings, just be prepared to agree with them on all the other left wing stances scientists take (transgenderism, climate change, COVID boosters).
Just as you would get into your car, but you don’t want to crash, when you enter that car, you are consenting to the possibility of getting into a wreck.
But if someone gets into a wreck, they should try and get out of that situation.
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@Best.Korea
Many people have the definition of gender based on private parts.
But I believe most people that believe that gender can be different from sex believe that it's possible to be a woman with a dick. They define a woman as anyone that identifies as a woman.
So if John Cena decided to identify as a woman, he would be a woman (even if he continues to look as muscular as he does right now).
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@Double_R
And yet you have no problem being the beneficiary of said crimes.
If I did have a problem with it, I would have to move out of the US (and I don't want to do that).
If you tell a drug dealer to stop selling drugs and he ends up taking you out to very nice restaurants; you could continue to tell him to stop doing that, but then you don't get the nice meals anymore.
If one wants to return the land to the natives, that means if they aren't native, they should go back to wherever they are ethnically from.
I don't agree with going back to Malta, so the native genocide made America possible and nothing can be done to undo it, so no need to be upset about things that can never be undone no matter what.
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@Double_R
Fair enough; if Trump didn't call himself very religious to get votes, you wouldn't get angry at him for sleeping with a pornstar.
but when you brand yourself as a devoted flower of Christ and a fighter for family values
Ted Cruz does this. Mike Pence does this. They actually pass as the religious Christain types.
Trump is the Big NYC business man. He's a salesman; he's a New Yorker and he wore that on his sleeve. I heard from Trae Crowder that in some inaugural speech he never quoted the bible once in it.
It's like saying Rand Paul primarily branded himself as a pro lifer. Rand Paul is pro life, but the Rand Paul vibes are more "Gadsten flag" than "protect the unborn".
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@zedvictor4
If what you said is true, then every single human being would have every single STI that was in their race.
This is inaccurate.
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@Best.Korea
You keep roasting me on that topic.
I wasn't trying to do that. But I know you wouldn't be into adults. It would be at least tangently similar to someone being gay and me saying, "How would you like it if your boyfriend cheated on you?"
People keep roasting you.
My roasts are much more creative than, "Oh; you are attracted to kids, hardee har!".
An example of me roasting someone that is trans: Samantha Lux.
Samantha Lux is a straight transwoman (meaning most straight men don't want to date her). Me roasting her for being trans is not a roast I would make.
An example of a roast I would make is the following:
Samantha Lux made a TikTok post outlining red flags for her. At first, before she saw the red flags, she's like, "I'm a transwoman; I have no red flags." She didn't say, "few red flags". She said, "no" red flags. Now, I know she's witty enough to where she would have thought "Hey; if my boyfriend was a convicted murderer that is out of jail, I have to at least consider this". She doesn't think this is a red flag (or at least this is what I would assume). This seems understandable because since the vast majority of straight dudes don't want to date her, she's desperate. I don't roast people for being desperate.
But then TikTok gave some examples of red flags. One of them was, "sleeping with socks". Samantha Lux had this being a red flag for her.
If you have your boyfriend wearing socks to bed as a red flag, but you don't have your boyfriend being a convicted murderer as a red flag, I'm going to roast you on that.
My roasts are creative; I would not roast you for being attracted to kids.
However, adultery being legal means even if the other spouse isn't fine with it, then it's legal.Well, unless they are married and marriage contract bans adultery, I dont see whats the problem. People dont own people. Unless they sign a contract. Then they do.
Adultery is an extramarital affair without the consent of the spouse cheated on. If spouse A is okay with Spouse B cheating, it's not adultury.
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@Best.Korea
Adultery should be legal too.
If pedophilia was legal and your 8 year old partner cheated on you, you may be fine with it.
However, adultery being legal means even if the other spouse isn't fine with it, then it's legal.
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@zedvictor4
You cannot override innate physiological instructions with abstinence and marriage contracts.
You can; otherwise every human would have had various STIs before STIs were even discovered.
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The left generally thinks prostitution and adultury should be legal (I would assume adultery because it's legal in many states and the left tends to favor consensual sexual freedom).
If they are going to believe that, fine. But then don't get angry at Trump for sleeping with prostitutes while married; if he did do that, by the left's logic, it would not matter.
Something vice versa applies to the right.
I think prostitution should be legal as long as it also isn't adultery at the same time. I wouldn't want my girl cheating on me.
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@Best.Korea
The US government before I was born genocided most of the Natives. But people shouldn't be held responsible for crimes other people committed.
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@Best.Korea
As long as the state doesn't treat natives differently than non natives, that's fine. Like if a Native school needs funding, fine. But then the non native school gets funding as well.
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@ILikePie5
What do you mean?
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@Best.Korea
They don't want it, but they take government money to live and I don't like the idea of the US subsidizing places that aren't America.
If they want to be their own independent countries, fine (although I would not agree with this; I want the American state to expand). If they want to lose their reservation status, fine.
The Native reservations want the best of both worlds. They want to be treated like a part of the US when it comes to government aid, but their own independent countries when it comes to sovereignty and immigration policy.
That I don't respect. But if Native reservations were their own independent countries, then Arizona might have voted for Trump in 2020; so democrats might lose Arizona's electoral votes if Native reservations leave the US because then the blue Natives there don't get the right to vote in US elections.
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@Best.Korea
I mean, do native Americans want that?
If they did, then the reservations wouldn't exist.
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1. Trump is good because he runs the country like a business!
2. Woke is bad. We need to never surrender to the woke mob!
3. Big businesses are better than small buisinesses because they helped more people in order to be big and successful. It's a result of capitalism.
4. Big businesses are woke!
If they accept all but 1, then they don't think Trump is good. All but 2; they think being woke is good. All but 3, they don't like capitalism. All but 4, they don't believe big businesses are woke.
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In general, the countries that abolished slavery first tended to be white majority countries.
WHITE POWER! God bless Western Civilization!
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Me: Immigrants built America.
The left: Yey! He's so progressive!
Me: No; I mean like this:
Finish the job genocide free. Eliminate Native Reservations that keep Natives in poverty and living off the government; integrate Native reservations with their states. Don't deport any whites from Native reservations. No human being is illegal (and I'm anti ICE so I can say this)!
Tax cuts and economic growth matters more than preserving languages spoken by under 1 million people.
Encourage interracial marriage for those that want kids to make Native Americans and other minorities that pass as Native American or minority barely exist as time goes on.
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@Best.Korea
Trump confederate flag:
Trump is anti-confederate flag. He deserves credit on this issue, but would I vote for Trump?
NO!
He called the majority of Latin American immigrants (I call them "Southerners") rapists and drug dealers and he's deported a bunch of people (so you know; creating single motherhood over victimless crimes), he made it illegal to hire the undocumented (so "Affirmative Action" for American Citizens), he's expanded the size of government. He got us deeper into debt (even during the 3 years pre COVID).
He's not America first; he wants the US taxpayer to subsidize Israel.
He also lost the 2020 election, did Jan 6 with an election he lost, and raised the tobacco smoking age to 21 (which meant anyone currently smoking that is 18,19, or 20 is now going to suffer as a result).
He was too tough on COVID; with COVID, DeSantis ran Florida perfectly under COVID.
I liked DeSantis in 2022. Now though, he's hypocritical on some things, so I withdrew my support for him.
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@Double_R
I have no idea where you are getting that anti-tobacco is a left wing position.
One in Four Americans Support Total Smoking Ban (gallup.com) states that democrats are more likely to advocate banning smoking than republicans. Young people are less likely to agree with a smoking ban, but it's because young people tend to be more libertarian than old people (1 in 5 Millennials describe themselves as libertarian | YouGov).
There is no political divide in the country as to whether people should be allowed to drive cars.
So you would only advocate a car ban if other left wingers were advocating a car ban? Alright.
Everyone follows the herd to some extent, but it's better to not look at issues through a partisan lens.
AR15 owners are not a group in any political sense of the word.
Um... yes they are. But they are a right wing group, so they don't get treated as a group the same way blacks and Hispanics do.
Then talk to a Bernie or Bust supporter
Well, I'm doing that (I'm assuming you are a Bernie or Bust supporter).
The difference is that at least their sacred unchallengable ideology has a purpose beyond making them feel above everyone else.
I don't think I'm above everyone else. I'm trying to break up the cults.
Conservatives use the same logos to justify all of their beliefs.And they're wrong, that's why I'm not a conservative.
On some issues, maybe, on most maybe, but 100% of issues? Now you are just being a partisan hack.
If a Neo Nazi says women should be allowed to vote, it doesn't matter if a Nazi says it. Women should still be allowed the right to vote. You don't have to vote for the Nazi if they say that, but give credit where it's due while realizing that they are a Nazi and what they believe that caused them to be a Nazi to begin with.
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Some person: What do you think caused the civil war?
Haley: (Dodge)
Me: It's about (states rights) to (make their own decisions), primarily to enslave blacks! FUCK the confederate flag!
I'm a NORTHERNER! People here know I'm not left wing on guns, vaccine mandates, the death penalty, or the US debt, or climate change alarmism, or even reparations, but the confederate flag shouldn't be flying; most flags don't even belong in the museum. They belong in the fireplace, turning to ash!
Lincoln, the NORTHERN REPUBLICAN, put the racist confederates in their place and created Juneteenth!
God bless America and the Union.
Fuck the CSA!
The people that support the confederate flag make no sense to me on that issue (unless they actually are pro slavery, but don't have the guts to say it in order to appeal to normies).
I don't care if former confederate slates lean red, they were on the losing side of the civil war (and it's fucking awesome they lost).
God bless the Yankee and God bless America!
It is a contradiction to believe that Lincoln; the republican, freed the slaves in a war that you don't believe was about slavery.
I don't expect any SJWs from the left to give me credit on this issue because they are alright if I call myself a right winger (until I actually lean in on why I'm right wing; then their memory gets refreshed).
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@Double_R
This is really simple so let's try it this way: Does your decision to [insert issue here] directly impact the people you share in this society with?Get an abortion? NoMarry someone of the opposite sex? NoCarry around a loaded firearm? YesBuy/sell stocks? YesSmoke weed? NoHave sex for money? NoUse speech to defame others or foment violence? YesNotice how in every "No" above liberals are against government involvement while for every "Yes" above liberals support government intervention. That's what I'm talking about.
Conservatives use the same logos to justify all of their beliefs. They just think every question you answer no, they answer yes, and vice versa.
The no/yes combination is very arbitrary. Libertarians have a lot of no answers; statists have a lot of yes answers.
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Pro lifers: Science confirms life begins at conception! The Scientists can be trusted with all knowledge.
Me: Bruh; scientists can't even define what a woman is (that's what you guys say).
If you don't trust scientists with the trans issue, why do that with abortion?
(In the rare even that the person reading this is pro life and believes transwomen are women): Science is correct on both of these issues. Transwomen are women and protect the unborn. Trust the science (no matter what)!
Me: Don't many science cites say 2nd hand smoke can be worse for you than actually smoking?
Like, scientists often make claims that are not backed up by science because they have an agenda (reducing smoking by using people's kids as emotional strings). Now, I agree with this agenda (I hope smoking becomes less common), but only say things about smoking that are true (like it kills a lot of people).
Common sense sometimes outweighs scientific claims. Common sense claims that smoking is worse than 2nd hand smoke; some science articles claim the opposite.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If you are going to praise a republican, fine.
But keep in mind he's probably still pro Trump, anti abortion, pro deportation, pro constitutional carry, anti gun control, pro low taxes on the rich.
I mean, he's republican for a reason. Think about what that reason is before you decide to endorse him.
The MAGA Morons won’t be happy until all transgender people, and they are people, have either been hidden away or killed themselves.
Very case by case.
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@Double_R
Does your decision to [insert issue here] directly impact the people you share in this society with?Get an abortion? NoMarry someone of the opposite sex? NoCarry around a loaded firearm? YesBuy/sell stocks? YesSmoke weed? NoHave sex for money? NoUse speech to defame others or foment violence? YesNotice how in every "No" above liberals are against government involvement while for every "Yes" above liberals support government intervention. That's what I'm talking about.
I can think of some exceptions to that:
Does your decision to [insert issue here] directly impact the people you share in this society with?Smoke tobacco? NoDo vape? No
The left is more anti tobacco and vape legalization than the conservatives. If you believe the answer to the questions is, "Yes", how is this any different from weed?
Weed, tobacco, and vape all directly impact the people I share a society with about equally.
I also think that the question:
Does your decision to [insert issue here] directly impact the people you share in this society with?
Should get modified to:
Does your decision to [insert issue here] directly impact the people you share in this society with to a significant extent relative to the upsides of having this freedom?
Driving cars directly impacts the people I share this society with. 30,000 car accidents happen a year and cars pollute, impacting climate change. Does this mean we should mandate remote working when applicable? The liberals don't agree with this, because 30K car deaths a year isn't significant enough to ban cars when driving to work (when remote working is an option for many).
"A 2022 analysis found that states with permitless carry laws saw a 22 percent increase in gun homicide for the three years following the law's passage."
It's possible that could be because the US homicide rate in general went up by about that percentage.
No one is being "bigoted" against AR-15 owners, we're pushing back against the legal sale of AR15's.
Bigoted definition:
unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:
AR 15 owners are a group, and not letting them have what they want because of homicide the vast majority aren't responsible for is bigoted. But the left can be bigoted to whoever they want.
Why is heroin illegal? Because some people get addicted to it. Doesn't that mean we're punishing those who don't?
So then regulate heroin. Lets just say dudes like this should be allowed to use heroin:
Why do we not permit 18 year olds to drink? Because many 18 year olds are not mature and responsible enough. Doesn't that mean we're punishing those who are?
In order to be allowed to drink alcohol, you need to be financially independent, have parental consent, or have it be for medical use. In Belgium, their age is 16.
Why don't we allow foreign born citizens to run for president?
I don't agree with that either. Who would you rather have be president:
1. Donald Trump (someone you disagree with that is born in the US).
2. Cenk Uygur (someone you agree with that was born somewhere else).
If you agree with this law, it means you would prefer Trump.
For a conservative, I could ask an alternate question. Who would a conservative rather have as POTUS:
1. AOC (someone they disagree with that is born in the US).
2. Elon Musk (someone they agree with that was born somewhere else).
The right prefers Musk to AOC.
Nobody has a principled stance against immigrants being allowed to run for POTUS if it's an immigrant they agree with vs a native born that they don't agree with.
We're talking about the principal of the mandates, not the effectiveness.
There are 4 groups of people when it comes to the COVID vaccination.
1. Group 1. They will get vaccinated as soon as they are able too.
2. Group 2. They are the, "wait and see" group.
Everyone in group 1 or group 2 is fully vaccinated by choice. Everyone not fully vaccinated is either in group 3 or group 4.
3. Group 3. They will only get vaccinated if there is a mandate.
4. Group 4. They won't get vaccinated no matter what.
Groups 1 and 2 will get vaccinated whether there is a mandate; Group 4 will not get vaccinated whether there is a mandate or not. Really, the only annexable group is group 3.
But in order to vaccinate group 3, you have to fire group 4.
I believe out of the unvaccinated population, between 25 and 50% of the unvaccinated population is in group 4.
I don't want to fire group 4 to give group 3 shots.
First of all, do you even know what cult is? Hint: At minimum it requires a figurehead. "The democrats" is not a figurehead.
MAGA is a cult, and so is Bernie or Bust.
Then next time you do that you are demonstrating your inability to see past your own nose and so this conversation will abruptly end.
Every conversation you have with a hardcore MAGA person (not me, but a hardcore MAGA person) you won't change their mind and they won't change yours (because you are both in equal and opposite cults).
I'm the one trying to get people out of cults. You will never be able to change a MAGA person's mind on abortion (because their party tells them to be anti-abortion) just like they won't be able to change your mind on abortion (because your party tells them to be pro-Roe V Wade).
You need to know how other people think.
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@Double_R
If you want, feel free to pick just one and I'll be happy to break it down and educate you on what you don't understand about left wing viewpoints.
Lets try this one:
Diversity is a strength! We value all different sorts of perspectives in the workplace! We need to make sure the Trump supporting community and the hunting community doesn't get discriminated against in the workplace! We need to work on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion for redneck Trump supporters, who face marginalization and systemic oppression due to the never Trump majority!
And if you claim, "Trump supporters aren't oppressed", you can believe that, but the Trump supporters think they are oppressed.
Just like BLM says, "Blacks are oppressed" and the all lives matter crowd says, "No you guys aren't!"
2 sides of the same coin.
I got this rule to where if you have conservative voices on YouTube with millions of subscribers, conservatives aren't being censored.
And similarly, if dark skinned people (Asian Indian Americans) can outperform every other ethnic group in the US fiscally, then you don't get oppressed for having dark skin. But I dare the RSG left media to tell Indian Americans to check their privilege for being Indian.
They probably won't because Indian Americans are often immigrants from a poor country (and the left sympathizes with poor countries) and Indian voters vote the correct way (How Will Indian Americans Vote? Results From the 2020 Indian American Attitudes Survey - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace) states that they are a D+50 ethnic group).
If Indian Americans were a republican voting group that could swing elections, the left would throw them in with the whites.
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@Double_R
Who gets to be the one writing the bill?
The person who is the 1st person that wants the bill to be passed.
What if nearly everyone is on board with it but most are objecting to one small piece of it that could be improved?
Then whatever that one small part is, remove it, get the rest of the bill passed, and then make a separate bill addressing that one part that then the representatives argue over if it should be included or not.
There is absolutely nothing about banning abortion that makes it a collectivist idea by this definition
It's good for society if abortion is banned because the unborn are a chunk of society comparable in size to transgenders (if the unborn get classified as people).
nor building a wall
The wall could be argued to be good for the American Citizen.
nor funding Ukraine
Giving money to Ukraine is like giving money to Kuwait to fight off Iraqi Imperialism; it's not America first; it's interventionist.
Nothing about the legalization of gay marriage impedes on my rights or well being as a straight man.
Gay marriage? No. But premarital sex (whether done by gays or straights) makes life harder for those that wait until marriage (whether queer or non-queer) because more premarital sex leads to way more STIs being spread which then leads to higher health costs through tax dollars that would be paid for by the virgins until marriage to pay for the lifestyle choice of those who did not choose to wait until marriage.
I'm LGBT, but I'm waiting until marriage because I think with my head, not with my dick.
Legalizing the carrying of automatic weapons in public by anyone, does impede on my rights/well being sad an individual because it makes me less safe everytime I leave my house since the potential of my life to be ended at any moment objectively increases.
If the left wing media believes this (where you get all your opinions from), why don't they criticize Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine for having constitutional carry? If constitutional carry made life so dangerous, then surely Vermont would be a bloodbath. I don't think it is. But if the left wants to trash Northern New England, I'm happy for the right to accept their electoral votes.
There is nothing about the immigration status of the murderer that makes their actions any more or less harmful to society. It's just an excuse for bigots to be bigoted.
It is just as much of an excuse for bigots to be bigoted (with the undocumented community) as it does for mass shootings to be an excuse to be bigoted towards the AR 15 owning community.
But your party owns your fucking mind, so no matter what argument I make, I won't change your mind because you are in a cult (just like 100% of socialists).
If there was a pattern showing that crime is disproportionally committed by illegals them you would have a case, but the reality is the opposite.
The undocumented are either more or less likely to commit murder than the native born (I've seen contradicting numbers on it). Lets say hypothetically, they were 5x as likely to commit murder. Doesn't matter; people are individuals. That would mean if .1% of the US population committed murder, then .5% of the undocumented would commit murder.
But the 99.5% shouldn't be getting a murder charge for a crime they didn't commit and shouldn't be punished with tough on the border policies for murders they did not commit. People are individuals.
The same applies for gun owners.
But your party's media will tell you the opposite and you believe the party's media over a consistent standard.
No genius, it doesn't. Again, (in cases where the data supports it) an unvaccinated person is more likely to both carry and to spread the virus. That's the entire point of vaccines and is the literal definition of less safe.
The unvaccinated are more likely to carry the virus, but it's such a nominal difference in percentage that it's just being very melodramatic.
That's why we have adoption
If a pro lifer said that in the context of the abortion debate, you would be saying, "BUt THe FoStEr SysTEM is MeSSEd uP!".
But I guess it works with the belief that fiscal autonomy isn't as important as the right to life.
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@Double_R
Have you ever thought that maybe the reason why our two political parties are so prominent is because they reflect the voters and not the other way around?
That's fake news!
I can use logos from either major party in the US to get them to advocate a position they don't believe it. I will exclusively focus on the left (because you are a left winger):
1. FaceBook is a private company! They can do whatever they want wrt making their company profitable! We should reduce taxes on rich corporations like Big Tech as a reward for them censoring MAGA misinformation and protecting our democracy!
2. Diversity is a strength! We value all different sorts of perspectives in the workplace! We need to make sure the Trump supporting community and the hunting community doesn't get discriminated against in the workplace! We need to work on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion for redneck Trump supporters, who face marginalization and systemic oppression due to the never Trump majority!
3. We need to protect women's bodily autonomy! Rapists violate a woman's bodily autonomy more than anyone else! We need to repeal Coker V Georgia and Kennedy v Louisiana and protect our girls from rapists by beheading rapists!
4. Blue states are awesome! Cut federal funding for Redneck Trump states because they have policies we don't agree with! Blue America is the Best America!
5. We need to help the poor! Increase federal funding for Redneck Trump states, which have a disproportionally high amount of people of color and African Americans! Black Lives Matter!
6. We support a woman's right to choose! A lot of immigrants coming to this country are anti-choice and misogynistic. Build the Wall to protect women's reproductive freedom!
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@Double_R
This isn't real life and it will never be because it does not take into account basic human nature.
It's because people are subject to peer pressure, and it's not good to have peer pressure.
You envision a world where a bill is brought to the floor and everyone just votes on whether they like it.
That should be the world we live in.
Democrats have made their positions clear and I already gave you some insight into what ties left wing viewpoints together.
The democrats are collectivist is what you are saying; they focus on what's good for collective American society over the individual. Banning abortion is a collectivist idea. So is building the wall. So is not funding Ukraine (or Israel).
Collectivism is nationalism.
The number of individuals impacted is completely irrelevant to the point I made.
The unborn are part of society.
Well first of all, this is objectively backwards since illegal immigrants are less likely to commit any kind of crime than American born citizens. That means statistically, the more illegal immigrants become a part of the population the more the crime rate goes down.
That might be true (I've seen conflicting reports). But if collectivism is the goal of democrats, it means if even one undocumented immigrant commits a murder, it means every single undocumented immigrant needs to be put through more tough measures.
This notion of us being less safe because an illegal immigrant came through and might kill someone is just silly.
Just like the notion that we are less safe because an unvaccinated person comes through and might kill a vaccinated and boosted person by giving them COVID is comparably silly.
But keep on cheering for your party!
I believe bodily autonomy outweighs the right to life up until the point of viability
Viability is when the kid can survive on their own (which doesn't happen until the kid is about 18 years after birth). After birth, they depend on the parent's fiscal autonomy to stay alive; before then, it's bodily autonomy.
Is it ok to make your kid homeless because you decided to not take care of them?
Yes. People's freedom to earn $80*10^6 at the cost of one person's life is morally justified. But $8*10^12 vs 100*10^6 lives (when those 100*10^6 lives would end producing $8*10^12 a year in a world where COVID doesn't exist) would be justified.Gibberish
How is it gibberish? I try and write in terms of modified scientific notation because otherwise numbers can take up a lot of space.
You do not need to be in the 0.1% to know that the thousands of people filling up your local hospital waiting rooms as well as the refrigerator trucks being used to store dead bodies because the morgues are full are real.
Alright; well 1 person dying in order to preserve $80 million of economic growth is an acceptable sacrifice as economic freedom means some people will die. But I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful control, and that mentality made America the greatest country God ever created!
I care more about my money than your life and you care more about your money than my life. Otherwise, you would have no problem donating all of your money to help homeless people.
Economic freedom means some people will have to die. Cut the losses!
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@FLRW
That's because it helps the party you want to win elections.
If you are going to advocate that position, you got to make it harder for your party to win as well.
The GOP isn't stupid enough to agree with getting rid of the electoral college because they know their party will have a harder time winning in that scenario.
You got to give something to get something, otherwise the GOP won't agree to it.
Maybe raise the voting age to 21 in exchange for abolishing the electoral college. Let the GOP make a counter offer.
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@FLRW
Why not 13? Why not 10? I see all these very political 10 year olds at the place I work.
But I think trying to change the voting age in one direction or the other is with the goal of giving one's party an advantage, so I would rather keep it at 18 (or maybe raise it to 21 to 25 under the condition that the electoral college gets abolished nationwide).
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@Best.Korea
You have at least 40 Left wing beliefs, 25 right wing beliefs, 1 preagmatic response, and 13 Other.Among your other beliefs 9 of them require more information or you misunderstood the issue.
So you are at 41 Left wing beliefs, 26 right wing beliefs.
This is for my reference.
41+5=46, 26+3=29,
46 left beliefs, 29 right wing beliefs.
That's surprising. I thought you would have hat at least 68 left beliefs.
I was wrong.
I guess based on this sample size, you do come to your own conclusions even if I don't agree 100%.
I need to repeat this experiment on a lot of people though to see if the results are an anomaly or reflective of society trends.
Tagged people can see that this is a concession on my end.
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@Double_R
All you have to do is use Google. Here, I'll start. First search result...
The source claimed that non-whites were more likely to not have Voter ID. This could be because non whites are more likely to not be Citizens, and non citizens don't have ID. One of the links they listed said the difference was only by about 1.7% points (so non white people in the US are less than 2% points more likely to not be Citizens than white people) and plenty of non-whites vote in elections. They tend to have lower turnout because non whites I think tend to care less about politics than white people (and this is fine).
But if a non white (or white) person is a citizen who didn't have their right to vote taken away due to felony offense, they are allowed to vote.
Political parties exist because getting things done requires finding like minded people to team up with
There shouldn't be teams; it should be 535 independents in DC and when one representative comes up with a bill, the politicians then vote on the bill through their own lens rather than their party's lens.
It's as of you are incapable of understanding the concept of a generalization. Here, maybe this will help:
If the political parties are going to generalize (democrats backing social libertarianism on abortion and immigration but not on vaccine mandates or gun control and vice versa for the GOP), then the democrats aren't as socially libertarian as they claim to be. And there is nothing wrong with that; but just be honest.
I don't trust the political compass test for where people stand on certain ideologies; I trust ontheissues.org (OTI) more for where a politician generally stands.
The political compass test claims Biden is right wing; OTI claims he's left wing.
On the issues shows their work for how they arrive at their conclusions; the political compass test does not.
I therefore trust OTI over the political compass test, but I really don't even trust the OTI because guns are a social issue and OTI treats them like an economic issue because the republicans and the libertarians agree on that issue.
the philosophy behind almost every left wing viewpoint is that we value the concept of society. Your right to carry around a loaded firearm makes everyone else around you objectively less safe because you could at any instance decide to end the life of anyone around you.
Oh yeah; it's really dangerous to live in gun friendly areas like Vermont:
Vermont had constitutional carry before any other state did.
I dare the left wing media to trash Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine (blue states with decent gun laws). If they get good enough at it; they may give the GOP 11 more electoral votes and 5 to 6 senators.
Your decision to not get vaccinated (if the science sport supports it) endangers the people around you because you have made yourself a more likely vector for the virus to spread to others.
You can say the same thing about immigration; by letting people come into the country unvetted; you are putting people in danger by exposing them to a very small chance that they will get murdered by an undocumented immigrant (at this time in society, the undocumented are killing more people than the unvaccinated in the US).
Now, I want to abolish ICE; 100%. But freedom is dangerous, but I prefer it to the alternative if the rate of death from exercising freedom is small.
In this issue we have two lives essentially battling for one body, no one else is impacted so government really doesn't have a role to play here because the well being of society at large is not at stake.
800K abortions per year (assuming a zygote is a human being) is a Seattle sized population.
is that where one ultimately lands on abortion will depend on whether they see a fetus as a person. I don't, so arguments relying on that premise don't resonate with me.
You have 2 possibilities. They are:
1. I do not believe bodily autonomy outweighs the right to life; my only argument for being pro choice is I don't believe a zygote is a human being but I think abortion should be banned beyond the point when I think a zygote is a human being.
2. Whether a pregnancy contains a human being is irrelevent; I am a bodily autonomy absolutist for pregnency, so I support legalized abortion up until the moment of birth because I believe in, "my body, my choice".
Which option do you pick?
If you believe #2, then this argument can be used to justify legalizing stealing money from someone to use tobacco. Using tobacco is bodily autonomy, but stealing money from others to fund your tobacco adddiction harms them by them losing $5 against their will.
I'm pretty sure the life of a baby is worth more than $5.
Everything we do is a balance between protecting our lives while protecting the quality of our lives.
Yes. So a lockdown that cost $8*10^12 in order to save 100*10^3 lives ($80*10^6/life) (COVID killed 1*10^6 people, but since 90% of them were elderly people that can quarantine on their own without economic consequence, they have other ways to survive; like this woman I know who's 92 takes Quarantine rules very seriously even in 2023 and she doesn't force it on anyone else, so that's fine and practical for people that are scared of COVID to do) just doesn't seem justified to me.
Then it's not a question of whether we believe in lockdowns, only a matter of at what point do they outweigh personal freedom.
Yes. People's freedom to earn $80*10^6 at the cost of one person's life is morally justified. But $8*10^12 vs 100*10^6 lives (when those 100*10^6 lives would end producing $8*10^12 a year in a world where COVID doesn't exist) would be justified.
No, everyone most certainly wouldn't. Facts do not always matter, especially once something becomes politicized. Even as COVID was ripping through red counties and killing people by the thousands, many still didn't even believe COVID was real.
That's because COVID had a 99.9% survival rate (and many people didn't get vaccinated because they assumed they had natural immunity because many people that got COVID had natural immunity). If COVID was like the Bubonic Plague, then anti vaxxers (with respect to COVID) would be about as common as Russian Roulette Players (defined as playing Russian Roulette at least once in their lives).
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@ebuc
I would be fine with some people being deported. Please share your list.
Politician A supports deporting every single undocumented/illegal immigrant, even if their only crime is coming to the country without papers. If they make American Citizen kids, they get separated from their kids.
Please share your list of who should be deported and we can look for common ground.
Person B is anti deportation under to exceptions and he thinks the penalty for an immigrant raping/murdering should be the same as a native born citizen doing the same crime.
Not any MAGA morons. And of course, they exist at varying degrees of MAGA and moronic.
Even Kid Rock? He's pro choice.
Vote Democrat and avoid Trumpet ---or other MAGA moron--- as dictator.This is a no-brainer for those on side of moral and intellectual integrity.
Even if that Democrat is John Bel Edwards (governor of Louisiana; pro life)?
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@Swagnarok
This is an introduction to Programmatic Civicism, which is my highest political ideology.
This is not an ideology (except for advocating for Brazilian style crime policy (Brazil abolished life imprisonment and the death penalty; so they believe in rehabilitation); Programmatic Civicism is a lifestyle choice.
Attending Alcoholics Anonymous is a lifestyle choice; not an ideology.
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