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@Barney
The problem is no actual person is harmed.
95% of biologists believe a zygote is a human being.
Whereas enslaving women creates a massive harm to them, their families, and society.
Would you argue that forcing a deadbeat dad to provide for his kids is akin to slavery? Would you argue a conjoined twin keeping their twin alive without their consent is akin to slavery? If not, how could you argue that forced pregnancy is slavery?
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@SkepticalOne
Secondly, there is ambiguity in the term 'human being'. If we simply mean 'human DNA with a lot of potential' and not a legal status, then why is the legality of abortion in question?
The cite I stated states that 95% of biologists believe a zygote is a human being. Not just human DNA. A human being.
Finally, there are legitimate reasons why individuals who are undeniably people can be killed. Should we acknowledge self-defense kills human beings?
Yes, and killing stranger human beings in the name of self defense is based. Saying that a woman can kill the human being inside of her on the grounds of self defense is like saying a deadbeat dad should be allowed to opt out of child support payments of his own free will in the name of self defense. You don’t get to use self defense as an excuse to avoid taking care of the children that you chose to bring into this world. Adoption is different because the foster system consents to have your kid, although out of all unwanted pregnancies that are birthed, adoptions are rare (99% of unwanted pregnancies that are birthed are kept by the biological parents). Raise the kids you choose to create.
If you oppose legalized abortion, can you acknowledge this undermines the basis of human rights while endangering the lives and futures of individuals who have undoubtedly achieved personhood?
You don’t deserve a human right to kill your unborn child. Take care of the kids you choose to create. Just like deadbeat dads should be forced to pay child support no matter how much it stresses them out because they need to raise their own kids.
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@FLRW
If it was justified to kill people in the name of overpopulation, this would set the precedent to legalize mass shootings. I don’t want to do this and I’m assuming you don’t either. It is unacceptable to kill people in the name of reducing overpopulation.
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@RileyByng
Whether or not we classify it as a human is surely irrelevant, either way the end result is the same.
How so? If a zygote is not a human being, aborting them is okay. If a zygote is a human being, abortion is an unjustified killing.
Would you agree that the problem with murder is depriving someone of their future?
The problem with murder is it takes an innocent human’s life away without their consent.
That's how I feel about abortion, you are forcing someone to bare a child.
You are forced to bear a child in the same way a conjoined twin is forced to take care of their twin. This doesn’t justify the right to kill their twin over it (unless you believe a zygote is not a human which 95% of biologists believed they are).
Do you support abortion in the case of rape?
Yes, but have an incentive not to abort. My solution is rape victim insurance. Here’s how it works:
Every American female pays a penny a day to the federal government. In exchange, if they get raped and get pregnant from the rape, the woman gets $20k in restitution for what she went through if she is able to prosecute the rapist (because then women would lie about being raped to get abortions). If she aborts, she gets $13k (the remaining $7k goes to sponsor a poor American child, saving their life). Eye for an eye; if you take a life from abortion, you should be required to save a life by some other method. This money pays for her abortion and then some.
I'd be happy to debate you on abortion 1 on 1 if you want? In a organised debate we can avoid the mess of a paragraph I just wrote.
I perfer forums. In debates, both people are more committed to their beliefs so it makes it harder to change one’s mind on any issue. Forums are different.
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The claim that a zygote isn't a human being: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703 states 95% of biologists disagree with that. Trust the science, just like with vaccines and climate change.
If you support legalizing abortion, at least acknowledge it kills a human being. There are times when it is okay to kill human beings (murderers, rapists). You just need a good enough rationale. The main rationale used to justify abortion is, "My body my choice" if you are a female and, "Their body, their choice" if you are a male.
However, how far does this argument go? If there is a conjoined twin that decides, "My body my choice. My conjoined twin is causing me so much embarrassment and pain. My body, my choice. I want to kill my twin." do we let that twin kill their twin? Absolutely not (Although I have heard the never trump crowd say this is okay from my own personal experience). Normies will claim it's different because a zygote isn't a human being, but 95% of biologists believe a zygote is, so I have to believe that and apply the knowledge. Just as conjoined twins share the same body, a pregnant female shares the body with an unborn kid.
There is the occasional argument that people will make which is the fear that a kid will end up living a horrible pain filled life unless aborted. However, lets say that there was a child that got raped several times by their parent. Do you kill the child over that? No; under no pretext is it okay to kill somebody without their consent just to prevent them from having pain. This applies as much to a child rape victim as it does to an unborn baby (who will almost certainly live a less messed up life than a child rape victim).
Overpopulation doesn't justify killing someone, like ever.
So I would want abortion banned and convince states to do it on their own. Don't do a federal ban because that's how you get civil war.
Anyone is free to address what I have to say, but Polytheist witch and ebuc are trolls, so if they didn't comment, I'd appreciate it. If they did comment, I am making it my goal to not respond to them.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I would like it if we got rid of parties and politicians ran as independents. Parties diminish free thought and promote group think and this is bad.
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@Greyparrot
I don’t support giving anybody welfare because it’s too anarcho socialist. But you can have open borders and no welfare for the undocumented. Just look at the UAE.
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@Greyparrot
If a normie decides to donate to NAMBLA, the IRS doesn’t make it known. If a president does, it becomes known to the public if required to release their tax returns.
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I’m not a never trumper, but it is just my guess that he funded an organization like NAMBLA and that’s very unpopular with all major parties in America, so that’s why he is hiding it. I have no evidence to back this up. It’s just a guess.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Would you kick white males out of the democrat party? After all, you claim they don’t care about left wing causes. If so, that would also have to apply to Bernie Sanders.
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@Wylted
Not all murder is equal and the most acceptable form of murder that doesn't qualify as merely killing would be abortion.
What murders would be unequal? Killing someone in self defense is not murder; it’s self defense. Killing someone in war is taking orders, and the politicians that start horrible wars should be put to death.
I believe in outlawing abortion, but I don't think women should be punished for it. I think you enforce the law by punishing doctors exclusively.
If this happens, nobody is going to want to be an abortionist. Then, women perform their own abortions. Would you punish them like the abortionist (because they would be an abortionist if they performed their own abortion)?
Did you state this because you are calling to abolish people who have abortions?
I want the parents of aborted babies to be punished with 3 weeks of hard labor with the revenue going to sponsor a starving American kid; if you take a life from abortion, you should be forced to save a life by some other means. I also don’t call abortion murder, because if I did, I would have to advocate the death penalty for abortion (which I don’t).
The Mexican drug cartels would love that shit
The solution to this is to replace ICE with FCE (Fetonal Control and Enforcement). This organization goes after fetonal coming into the country and not undocumented immigrants. Given the vast majority of undocumented immigrants don’t bring fetonal with them, this I think makes better sense. The people that brig fetonal in the country that kills someone else should get the death penalty, but this applies to under 1% of undocumented immigrants.
so would spies from every hostile nation and terrorists who call us big Israel.
The people that did 9/11 were US citizens and now there are anti terrorism measures in place to prevent terrorist attacks that have nothing to do with ICE. Like if you want to go on a plane, we make sure you don’t have a bomb. No deportations needed; and this has prevented terrorists from doing damage in the country. I also would argue that deportations based on the fact that a small proportion of undocumented immigrants commit murder/terrorism (that they should get the death penalty for) is like wanting to ban AR 15s because of mass shootings the vast majority of AR 15 owners don’t do (but the ones that murder deserve death). Or it would be like banning pit bulls based on the 284 deaths per year they are responsible for. A free society has to tolterate some level of death to provide freedoms for hundreds of millions of people. If no amount of death can be tolerated no matter the amount of liberty it has to tread upon, then it means human life is priceless. If the government believes human life is priceless, then they can force its citizens to do some very authoritarian things to save lives (they could mandate that people give blood or adopt if it saves just one life). I don’t want the government or anybody believing human life is priceless. So if 10 people die from terrorism a year in the US because of the undocumented, but hundreds of millions of people get to move here, that’s a trade off of that is worth it. But the undocumented are less likely to murder than the native born, so the undocumented are safer to begin with.
"Because of science" could literally mean anything. It is a question of ethics which is certainly in the realm of theology and philosophy try to figure out.
Science confirms an African American is a human being. Therefore killing one is killing a human being. Certain African Americans (those that happen to murder or rape) deserve death. But if your innocent and African American, you don’t deserve death. People are allowed to wish you death for being black, but they can’t act on it.
Science confirms that gays are human beings. Certain gays (those that happen to murder or rape) deserve death. But if your innocent and gay, you don’t deserve death. People are allowed to wish you death if your gay, but they can’t act on it.
Science confirms that a zygote id a human being. No zygote rapes or murders, so none of them deserve death. People are allowed to wish for the right to kill a zygote, but they can’t act on it.
There are also certainly murderers who actually unlawfully killed who deserve empathy as well.
Do you have any examples?
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@Wylted
I am getting emotional reading this.
Facts don’t care about your feelings/emotions.
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@Wylted
I think I already stated that no they shouldn't be treated like murderers. They need empathy, counseling and options.
You don’t console murderers. You punish them, including your friends (even if they voted for Trump; drain the swamp).
I am pro life, but no women should not be punished.
Then you’re not pro life; so don’t call yourself that. Pro life means, “I would not get an abortion and I want abortion outlawed. Anything and everything outlawed gets a punishment. You might be personally pro life, politically pro choice. Call yourself that if it’s you. Outlawing abortion requires a punishment.
Have you ever taken a life? Many veterans have. Have you asked them how it feels. I have taken a life. There isn't a damn thing you can do that is going to be worse punishment than the psychological damage taking an innocent life causes.
Nobody important is calling to abolish veterans. Moreover, Soliders kill because they are ordered too. The politicians that start horrible wars deserve the death penalty.
Mine wasn't intentional and it was a person who had just committed a major robbery,
Self defense isn’t murder.
This is just like the immigration debate and where conservatives go wrong. No border jumpers do not deserve punishment, they are seeking a better life fuck you. They deserve empathy and love and if we kick them back out to Mexico we should help them even off of our own soil. You stop illegal immigration by punishing employers who hire illegal aliens not by punishing border jumpers.
I’m not a republican; I want open borders and I want buisiness owners to be encouraged to hire the undocumented so they aren’t consuming our too socialist welfare state.
Aren't you abfucking christian. You think Jesus would be going after women seeking help in a tough situation or do you think Jesus would punish the doctors trying to profit off of their unfortunate circumstances?
America is not a theocracy; what the Bible says on law doesn’t matter. I don’t want abortion banned because of the Bible; I want it banned because of science.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don’t know who Jason Miller is, but if he is responsible for an abortion, he needs to face the same penalty as anyone else who is responsible for an abortion (3 weeks if hard labor with the revenue sponsoring a starving American kid, getting that kid out of poverty). If you take a life from abortion, you should be forced to save another life by some method, with sponsorship being the easiest.
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@Wylted
Too me it's quite simple. Killing an innocent life is unethical while killing Ted Bundy is not killing an innocent person.
I agree that there is a difference between killing a baby and a murderer. But do you want to treat females that get abortions like murderers? If so, this means death penalty or life in jail.
. I am pro life and I don't think punishment should be punishable for the woman only doctors who perform them. It's murder but we need to have some empathy for the woman as well.
The post continued. You might have missed that.
As a matter of fact I see a lot of teenage girls who end up charged for murder for giving birth and throwing the baby in a dumpster. Though this is a disgusting act, I would even in those cases just give the mother a slap on the wrist. Maybe a 3 months jail sentence as well as whatever psychological help she requires.
If you kill a post born baby, you absolutely should be tried for murder and given the death penalty.
I had 2 friends who had abortions and they are unaware I am even pro life, because I just gave them a ton of empathy and was a shoulder to cry on.
People that murder don’t deserve empathy; they only deserve punishment. This punishment can’t be death or life in jail due to the frequency of abortion, but it needs to be proportionate to unjustly taking a life.
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@Polytheist-Witch
People listen to Beyonce and Liizzo too I don't think any of them should be compared to Liz Cheney.
I think Joe Rogan is more like Liz Cheney in terms of political relevance than Beyonce.
Joe Rogan may be pro-choice but he also has been involved in some stupid s***
"He only agrees with me 60% of the time".
There are plenty of musicians who are pure pro-life that I listen to their music because I like their music it has nothing to do with their personal choices as far as politics.
I don't boycott music based solely on political ideology. I boycott based on actions. If your the father of an aborted baby, I don't care if you support Trump (kid rock), I'm not listening to your music and I don't think people should.
I mean let's be honest Jimmy Page f***** 14-year-olds if I was going to hate Led Zeppelin I would.
If he actually did that rape and I believed it, I would boycott Led Zepplin and encourage people to do the same. But he's innocent until proven guilty.
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@oromagi
I don't think it is accurate to characterize the left wing as calling for censoring Joe Rogan.
I've met lefties who want to censor Joe Rogan in my personal life. Neither the left nor the right is free speech absolutist and it's a problem.
I don't think it is leftist to point out the harms Rogan's fake medical info does to his community- that's just stating facts.
I support pointing out Rogan's bad anti vax ideology. But there is a difference between using your free speech to counter something someone says and censoring those you disagree with.
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@Polytheist-Witch
People listen to him. I’m surprised you aren’t a fan of Rogan. He’s pro choice, just like what you want. I don’t get angry at people for their opinions due to free speech absolutism.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The unborn do not have rights, they don't have birth certificates
Neither do the undocumented. I want to change both of that.
you can't have life insurance
This is because due to the high chance of unborn death, no insurance company is paying for that. If 20% of born people died before 20, life insurance would only be available for people who are over 20.
they don't have social security
Neither do 30 year olds. Do you support the right to kill 30 year olds?
To compare the born who are citizens with rights and the unborn who are a potential citizens is stupid.
I disagree here.
You wanting to control women is disgusting.
Would you call it unjustified control to tell a conjoined twin that they can’t kill their twin?
I hope you pay for it in the afterlife.
Love your pro life neighbor as yourself.
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Liz Cheney: Disagrees with the right wing base on one issue (2020 election) and agrees with the right on everything else (abortion, immigration, weed, homosexuality, welfare, vaccine mandates)
The right wing base: Get this RINO out of here.
The left wing base: Liz Cheney is a good republican.
Joe Rogan: Disagrees with the right wing base on many things (2020 election, weed, abortion, homosexuality, Trump, welfare). Agrees with them on vaccine mandates.
The right wing base: Joe Rogan is based.
The left wing base: Joe Rogan is dangerous for spreading misinformation. Censor him.
Me: The right wing base should view Liz Cheney better than Joe Rogan because Liz Cheney is more like them ideologically than Rogan is. And the left wing base should view Joe Rogan better than Liz Cheney because Rogan is more like them than Cheney is.
But people don’t think for themselves and just listen to whatever social media they trust for all of their opinions, so most people don’t even know of this double standard.
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@Vici
The fact that if everyone who is the mother or father of an aborted baby got the death penalty, you would have to kill 1/6 of America. It’s not pragmatic, but it shifts the Overton window to something that I would perfer more (parents of aborted babies have to do hard labor for 3 weeks and the revenue generated from that hard labor goes to sponsor a poor American kid, getting that kid out of poverty). Take a life from abortion, save a life by some other method.
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@Polytheist-Witch
There's no guarantee that a woman that's pregnant is going to give birth to a live baby so there's no way to determine whether or not a life is actually been taken.
95% of biologists believe a zygote is a human being, so trust the science (just like I do on climate change and vaccines).
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@ebuc
Yeah how about some pragmatically practical logical common sense from all the nutters sticking their busy body noses into a pregnants womens bodily business without her consent?
I wonder how far this argument goes. Let’s say that there was a conjoined twin that wanted to kill their twin because it’s their body, their choice and the twin was annoying. Let’s also say that they thought it would be bigoted for anyone to critisize them killing their twin. Would they have a point? I think if you answer yes, you’ve lost all normie support.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Just be happy that right wingers are distancing themselves from Trump. The left has been fighting for right wingers to denounce Trump and now that they are starting to get their way, there are acting with moral superiority over it. Just be happy that there are right wingers that don’t back Trump anymore.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don’t care that Walker talks about a TV show. I care that he is a hypocrite on family values and abortion. I think deadbeat dads should be banned from political office and that the fathers of aborted babies should be banned from political office. So I hate Walker. But I don’t care if he is talking about a TV show.
Even if he raised his kids and didn’t pay for an abortion, he’s kinda an idiot.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The support Dems give certain groups of people is superficial for votes.
Are you referring to democratic politicians or democratic voters? Because if it’s politicians, then I agree with you, politicians will do or say whatever it takes to win an election. But the voters actually care about their issues even if it’s with group think(which I don’t approve of; I don’t think people should look at issues through a partisan lens as it undermines free thought.).
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@Polytheist-Witch
If women are going to be jailed or put to death for abortion so should the men who got them pregnant. DNA test confirmed 100% who the father is, the father should start paying, with their life if necessary.
I agree by default; although I personally think the penalty for abortion should be 3 weeks of hard labor with the revenue going to sponsor a starving American kid. Take a life from abortion, save a life by some other way. If only .001% of females have received an abortion, you could get away with the death penalty, but when 16% of females have gotten abortions, the penalty should be proportional, but lighter and I think take a life, save a life is how this can be achieved. Put the male through this penalty as well so collectively 6 weeks of hard labor is done, which generates $7000, enough to sponsor a starving American kid, getting that kid out of poverty. The left wants to reduce child poverty, and this can be one way this is achieved. The left is happy due to abortion being less stigmatized and the right is happy because you’re able to save lives without expanding the welfare state. I think the people responsible for abortions would just do the labor to get society’s respect. It’s a pragmatic solution I think. Thoughts?
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@Public-Choice
You also might want to change your name, because with a name like that, I thought you would be pro choice.Welp. So far I've won 70% of my debates lmao.
What do these have to do with each other?
Do you think the Nazis should have only received 3 weeks of hard labor? What about the people who handed over jews to be killed?
I’m unsure. I’m just courious as to how far this goes. For American Soliders who killed civilians in the Iraq war because they were ordered to, do they deserve the death penalty or life in jail? Personally, I think the people who initially gave orders to kill civilians (certain politicians) deserve the death penalty. But I think it would be unwise to get angry at Soliders for taking orders. Otherwise nobody would want to join the military for fear that they might be ordered to kill civilians and have to pick between being dishonorably discharged or getting life imprisonment for killing civilians. You may be fine with no countries having a military and that would be the ideal. But as long as other countries have an army, America needs one as well. If there is a UN law that outlaws national armies, few countries will abide by it, making it useless.
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@Public-Choice
I can respect your opinion for being consistent. But to play Devils advocate, 1 in 6 women got an abortion. You would be talking about jailing tens of millions of people.
That’s why I think the penalty for abortion should be 3 weeks of hard labor (both the male and female have to do this) and the revenue generated goes to sponsor an American kid, getting that kid out of poverty.
If you take a life from abortion, you should be required to save a life by some other method.
You also might want to change your name, because with a name like that, I thought you would be pro choice.
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@Vici
I can respect the honesty even if I don’t think it’s pragmatic.
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@Barney
That in rare cases a fertilization still occurs but the egg then fails at implantation, does not mean the mother has actively destroyed a fertilized egg. Rather, it is passed out of the body harmlessly.
The argument that from pro lifers is causing a fertilized egg to die is akin to killing a human being, since they argue that zygotes are human beings.
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@Barney
Let's not forget that to some avoiding pregnancy to begin with equals abortion.
It depends. If you avoid pregnancy with abstinence or just condoms, then it’s not an abortion. But birth control pills and IUDs sometimes cause a zygote to die (which pro lifers argue are human beings worthy of protection). In other words, a pro life woman that uses IUDs or birth control pills is a hypocrite or ignorant.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Considering the Republican stance on abortion and that basically if you're raped it's not a reason to have one they certainly don't oppose rape.
Wanting abortion banned when the woman gets raped is not the same thing as wanting rape to be legal.
And very few Democrats I meet that are male have respect for women either they just kind of do what they do and support them because they're the party that supports people. But they don't really like any of the people they support.
Are you aware this is a contradiction? If you support the party that supports people, how could you not like the people that the dems support?
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Mharman
Address the argument. If one really believes abortion to be murder, it has to be tried as such. If you disagree with trying abortion as murder, then don’t call it murder.
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Republican logic:
Abortion=murder.
Murder=Death sentence
Let’s say they oppose the death penalty. Then it is:
Abortion=murder.
Murder=Lifetime in jail
Therefore, it would seem that if you really want abortion to be classified as murder, that means the death penalty of life in jail for those that are responsible, from the woman to the man that got her pregnant.
They then say, “We only wish to prosecute the performer of the abortion to this degree.”
To which I would say, “If these were the laws, no abortionist would perform abortions, which means the pregnant woman would have to fill the role. So the same punishment would have to apply for women that perform their own abortions.
I’m not advocating this position. I’m just merely stating it’s logical conclusions.
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@sadolite
"Both parties believe rape and murder should be again the law." Even that is arguable.
As of right now, no party stands for legalizing murder or rape, so it’s a stance everyone agrees on.
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@RationalMadman
Wrong. Q is anyone who isnt binary gender.
I thought that was non binary.
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@sadolite
Oh wait there is something both sides agree on. They have nothing in common to agree on.
That’s not what I meant. I meant no single value connects all left wing or right wing beliefs. Small government connects all libertarian beliefs, but nothing connects all left wing or right wing beliefs.
But the parties agree on a few things. Both parties believe rape and murder should be again the law.
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@Bones
I don't think that appealing to their certain credentials alleviates their burden of proving what I see as being an incoherent and tautologically impossible definition.
I updated my definition of woman on the spreadsheet.
the problem with gender is that fully grown scientifically adept doctors are struggling in conjuring a definition which aligns with their world view.
That’s a problem. But is my definition a good definition? A lot of trans women act very feminine.
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@RationalMadman
Qs want to completely ignore what is masculine or feminine being attached to gender. Ts want to encourage feminine males to roleplay as females and vice versa.
Qs are anyone that isn’t straight. I can see the possibility that T is accurate, although I think this is a more accurate definition of drag.
I think LGB should be strinctly unrelated to T. Not allied, but also not opposed.
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@Mharman
@oromagi
I like the definition in post 8.
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@RationalMadman
Post 5. I respect lefties like you thinking for themselves.
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@Bones
You realise that including female in your definition of female is circular and non-informative?
Good point. But with all these scientists claiming that transwomen are women and that trans men are men, I have to at least acknowledge that if I wish to be accurate. So I guess my definition of women isn’t that good. I need to change it.
It would be like if I asked you to define water in a way a 5 year old could understand. All you can do is get water from a faucet and show it to kids to define water. If we expect 5 year olds to know the difference between men and women, you need a definition.
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@oromagi
Almost everybody agrees that Nazis must be tolerated.
I’ve met plenty of socialists (and socialism is unfortunately getting more and more popular) that want people they disagree with censored, whether it’s Nazis or people for misgendering because they believe Caitlyn Jenner is a man.
Nazi speech is more frequently limited than most other speech because Nazi speech is so agressive and persistent in its pursuit of incitment, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child porn, fighting words, and threats.
If someone is aggressively and persistently pro choice at a protest, it’s free speech as long as it doesn’t result in people getting physically attacked. Child porn is not used by Nazis. Fighting words are free speech. If you want pro lifers killed, as long as you don’t act on it, it’s free speech.
In 2022, Gallup has support for plural marriage up to 23%.
People that aren’t bigoted towards the polygamous are still in the minority, and nobody is advocating for censoring the majority who oppose legalizing polygamy. But eventually, when polygamy is legalized nationwide and enjoys 60% popularity, opposing polygamy would be classified as hate speech.
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There are people who argue that in order to ensure true tolerance, one cannot be tolterant of the intolerance. An example of this is when people claim that Nazis should not get tolerated because they are intolerant of Jews.
However, how far does this argument go? Like if I were to say, “Being Jewish should be illegal”, people say that’s hate speech that should be banned. If I were to say, “Being polygamous should be illegal.” that is also being intolerant, but it’s an intolerance that 83% of the US agrees with.
So what separates, “Ban Jews.” from “Ban polygamous people.”? If virtually everyone wanted polygamy legal, advocating for it being banned would be interpreted as hate speech to some. If virtually everyone approved of anti semetism, then it would be viewed as free speech by even those that didn’t hate Jews.
This is why I think free speech absolutism is the ideal.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1am8aMPQnpDifFbaMqpXHXGD6V72ly0Yvcvfd9ksFEko/edit. If anyone has any disagreements, let me know. I try and hear everyone out.
I also don’t understand why fully grown adults feel pressured to agree with the left or right on every issue just because they strongly agree with the left or the right on one issue.
As an example, let’s say your transgender. You are going to be very left wing on the transgender issue because it effects you personally. Fair enough. But just because you strongly agree with the left on transgenderism doesn’t mean you should be pressured to strongly agree with the left on abortion, guns, vaccine mandates, income tax, war, religion, or any other issue.
If the left decided to disagree with transgenderism while agreeing with everything else they say and if the right switched their stance on transgenderism while agreeing with everything else they are saying, the transgenders would vote Republican because the right now agrees with them on the issue, but all their other stances should stay the same.
Whether or not an idea is a left wing idea or a right wing idea should have no bearing on if it’s an idea that you personally back. This is why I try and not look at issues through a partisan lens and even if I agree with the right 58% of the time, I’m unafraid to give the left credit for the 42% of the time when I agree with them.
What common belief unites all left wing or right wing beliefs? I can’t think of any.
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@Polytheist-Witch
It's time men start sacrificing for low pregnancy and abortion rates.
I do support the development of a birth control pill for men.
But God forbid a guy go get a vasectomy and it not be able to be reversed.
If every guy got a vasectomy, then humanity doesn’t reproduce anymore. But if all the poor parents get vasectomies, it saves the taxpayers money and their genes get replaced by the middle class.
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@ludofl3x
Why should he get sterilized if the woman doesn't want his money or anything to do with him, and thereby becomes a drag on your tax dollars?
Why would the woman not want his money? If someone gets worse than hit (like raped), I’d assume they would want restitution paid for by the rapist’s hard labor.
Do you know how much it costs to have a reverse vasectomy in America on most private insurance plans?
Less than taking care of a kid for a few years. Less than the fees needed to get a kid by adoption. Huge fees for having a kid separate good parents from ones that can’t afford it.
Sex for recreation is pretty popular, dude.
Don’t make virgins like me pay for the effects of your recreation with higher tax dollars and don’t force a kid to pay for your recreation with an abortion.
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