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@TWS1405
You are also not reading into what "95%" of so-called biologists are saying correctly, obviously.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703 is the link that confirms 95% of biologists believe a zygote is a human being. If you have a different interpretation of what they said, let me know.
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@3RU7AL
Welfare is too expensive for the governor to fund. We are in debt. I say the same thing about our bloated military budget.
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@ludofl3x
What about parents who are poor, but by choice want to have a child? Like two immigrants from let's say eastern Europe who've moved here. They have a child, get ready to live the American dream, and wham, the guy loses his job (we'll leave aside the fact that you think a minimum wage job is somehow close to enough money to raise a care for a child for now). Uh oh! Now he has to go on welfare. Should he get sterilized NOW, or does he get a grace period to find a new job?
He gets sterilized, gets a job in a year, and if he wants a kid, he reversed the vasectomy. Vasectomies are virtually 100% reversible after only a year.
Is the vasectomy government sponsored?
The vasectomy is. The reversal is not. If you can’t afford a reversal, you can’t afford a kid.
Two questions: does the man have to be sterilized? He is not paying child support. Does the WOMAN have to be sterilized? She has a kid she can't afford.
The man is abusive; he should get sterilized. The woman did what she had to do to escape him.
So I'm clear: if you get someone pregnant at 16 and can't pay child support (no minor can effectively pay child support), the government can mandate a MINOR gets a vasectomy, but the CHILD / MOTHER and her PARENTS cannot decide to have an elective abortion. Is that correct? Your idea is to permanently affect three lives, forever, rather than allow an abortion. That's your solution?
If you get someone pregnant at 16, your life is over. You need to dedicate your life to helping the kid you chose to create unless you set that kid up for adoption or have a family member take care of the kid. Abortion kills someone unjustly.
I’m not a big fan of bodily autonomy when it conflates with the taxpayer’s fiscal autonomy. My money, my choice. I’d rather give vasectomies to poor dads on welfare than pay for any new kid they decide to create.
I also don’t see the big deal with a vasectomy. So what if you can’t reproduce? If you want a kid and can afford a kid, you can adopt one. I also don’t even understand why people would want kids. They are expensive and annoying. I don’t understand why people want sex unless they want a kid. If you have sexual urges to get out, go to Porn hub. Nothing wrong with that.
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@TWS1405
I don’t want kids, so you would technically be correct. I’ll get a vasectomy soon enough; definitely before I have any sex.
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@Swagnarok
That doesn’t happen. The birth rate goes down a little bit, but it doesn’t emulate South Korea in the long term. Also if poor people have less kids, this leads to middle class people having more kids to help the birth rate. Kids that grow up in middle class homes aren’t relying on welfare to survive.
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@Swagnarok
The modern economy is as such that you can do 50 hours a week and still need welfare to help you raise one kid.
If your working most jobs besides minimum wage jobs, this isn’t the case. But people whose primary source of income is a minimum wage job shouldn’t have kids and shouldn’t have sex. It works out wonderfully for me.
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@blamonkey
My school year is starting in a week. I don’t have time. Also, your arguments from the last time didn’t make too much sense. Sorry man.
Plus, I try and not debate the same thing multiple times. It just gets tiring.
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@Polytheist-Witch
And we should just respect that those zygotes are humans they should have birth certificates, women should be getting welfare for them, you should be able to get life insurance on them. I mean zygotes have rights too don't they? Wait...
It’s impossible to get a conception certificate because it’s unknown. Females get welfare for their zygotes if needed, but people shouldn’t rely on welfare period. If you are on welfare, you or your husband needs a vasectomy to prevent you from being an additional burden to taxpayers.
A zygote has a high enough chance of dying while in the womb for a life insurance provider to not want to insure a high risk client. Life insurance is for people that have a low chance of dying. Otherwise insurance companies would go bankrupt.
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@3RU7AL
The government’s sole pourpose is regulation of its people. We are regulated so we can’t legally murder, rape, etc. Abortion is merely another regulation. But all regulations need justification. In the case of abortion, that justification is it kills an innocent human being. At least that’s what 95% of biologists believe.
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@FLRW
Child costs don’t justify legalized murder. If you can’t afford your kid, set that kid up for adoption. There they will get adopted by someone more willing and able to raise the kid.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Vasectomies aren’t 100% reversible, so it should only happen to men that have a kid they can’t afford to raise.
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@ludofl3x
How then are you against abortion but in the same breath proposing forced sterilization, apparently as a punitive measure?
Abortion and vasectomies aren’t the same thing.
Is the goal to reduce childhood poverty, death, maybe crime too? Not increase your tax rate (this isn't really how taxes work, but I think this might be how you are thinking they work) by supporting unwanted children via welfare, tax-based social safety net programs?
The goal is all of these things. Less children should be born to poor parents, so the solution should be to give vasectomies to guys if they have a kid without being able to pay for that kid.
What due process are you then inventing in order to accomplish this bodily modification, which is PERMANENT, in a fair and safe manner?
The same due process that goes with child support and welfare payouts. If you take welfare while having a kid, you should get sterilized so you don’t produce more kids society has to pay for. You can get the vasectomy reversed if you are off of welfare.
What if you're a deadbeat dad when you get someone pregnant at 16, then you have to be sterilized, do you have no chance to be a parent when you're ready?
If you get someone pregnant at 16 and you and your spouse agree to keep the baby, then your life’s mission should be focused on giving your child a better life. Deadbeats should be less selfish and start taking personal responsibility for their kid.
And doesn't that still ALSO mean prior to the person being sterilized, by definition, you are allowing each male ONE child they can't support?
They get welfare for their one kid if they can get a job where they are working at least 40 hours a week. But they shouldn’t have more kids. When the state gives you money in the form of welfare, the state has to make you as cheap as possible to give welfare to for the benefit of the taxpayers.
Wouldn't allowing bodily autonomy and elective abortion for women be cleaner? Because abortion accomplishes all of the things I think you wanted to accomplish. It just didn't eradicate them. It's also crucially NOT PERMANENT for the woman.
Abortion kills a human being. This would be like killing homeless people to reduce homelessnesses. The woman wouldn’t endure any forced sterilization. Just the guy would. Guys are sluttier than girls, so you need a stronger deterrent for men.
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1) Any man that wants to get sterilized, because that’s his right.
2) Any deadbeat dad. This is needed to prevent him from producing kids that he can’t afford in the future. I’m sick of my tax dollars going to fund other people’s kids and a sterilization would help minimize the welfare state by eliminating all future kids deadbeat dads produce.
3) Any dad that is raising his kid(s), but has been living off of welfare. This point is similar to #2. I don’t want to pay for future kids had by people that can’t afford them.
I think this standard should be implemented internationally. This would significantly reduce childhood poverty and death if the kids never exist to begin with. I also don’t believe in abortion. But if couples are going to have sex, it’s best for them to not reproduce unless they can afford it.
People say this is racist and I deny this. This standard applies to people of all races. Whether your white, black, brown, or other, you don’t get to be a burden on others in a free society.
People say this targets the poor, but I would argue it helps the poor because if poor men stop having kids, it is better for their finances.
In addition, the carrying capacity of this planet is only 2.5 billion people and the world population is 8 billion. We could all become vegans and have this rise to 10 billion. But society loves their meat (even though I want to be 100% vegan when I’m living on my own). In other words, the people with kids right now that can afford kids the least shouldn’t have any more kids. We have too many people and abortion is an unjustified killing. Therefore not reproducing is the only option for those with kids that can’t afford them.
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Argument 1: A zygote isn’t a human being.
Me response: That opinion goes against the opinions of 95% of biologists.
Argument 2: A zygote is a human being, but bodily autonomy outweighs the right to life.
My response: If that’s what you believe, then you would have to be fine with a conjoined twin killing their twin in the name of bodily autonomy. They are connected, so if bodily autonomy outweighs the right to life, then you would have to support one conjoined twin’s right to kill their twin. I have met people that defended that view and I think most normal people don’t. But if it’s not acceptable to kill your conjoined twin in the name of bodily autonomy, what makes abortion any different?
Argument 3: A kid set up for adoption gets messed up so badly it’s worse than death.
Response: The vast majority of foster kids get adopted within 5 years and the foster system makes sure the parents are competent and not child rapists or abusers.
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@RationalMadman
It’s a joke.
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If it’s okay to get rid of the profit motive in healthcare and make healthcare free for everyone because people need it to survive, what’s stopping Bernie Sanders supporters from advocating free housing and free food for everyone at the point of service? Are IPads going to be free then? People need technology to survive nowadays.
If everything someone needs to survive gets paid for by the government, people only need to work to buy luxuries that they want. But what if you don’t want luxuries? I really don’t want luxuries and 90% of what people buy isn’t luxury. If 90% of the stock market gets nationalized, then that turns us into the USSR.
If it’s bad to nationalize food and housing, how is nationalizing healthcare any different? Is the profit motive acceptable in EVERY industry if it’s acceptable with food and housing? I think it is.
I support price ceilings for essential goods where there is a monopoly control, but other than that, a 100% free market approach is ideal I think.
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@Wylted
I think republicans outside of the south generally share the same opinion as democrats outside of the south have on it.
I disagree. Republicans in northern counties are pro rebel flag.
They support the flag because of southern pride not rebel pride.
What’s the difference?
Conservatives generally want immigrants, but they want them to appear legally and in small enough numbers to keep America a melting pot.We even respect illegal aliens. We just think they should have a path to get here legally
The legalization process is too expensive and I don’t really see the point in it. Some undocumented immigrants can’t afford it. If the process becomes free, your shifting the burden onto taxpayers. It’s better to not have a process so nobody has to pay.
I understand why you feel that way if you never took the time to learn conservative opinions
I try to. But I’ve met conservatives that wanted undocumented immigrants shot, so some people are nuts. The majority of conservatives want the undocumented deported. That’s 3% of the country.
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@Dr.Franklin
What racial realities are you referring too?
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@Shila
If you believe aliens are just curious to see what happens when certain stimuli is produced, you must believe you are performing for aliens.
If you define performing as just living my life, I could see that.
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@Dr.Franklin
If you believe race matters, I fail to see how that’s not racism. This is the case with affirmative action and it’s the case with immigration. I’m not one that likes to call people racist, but I think your comment qualifies.
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@Shila
Virgin births are rare today because women take contraceptives to prevent that from happening.
Virgin births I don’t know how they could happen. You need sperm to create a kid.
This is why Christian men are against abortions. They believe it stops Jesus from return as promised, obviously through another virgin birth.
People (men and women, religious and irreligious), have a good chance of opposing abortion because they see it as the unjustified killing of an unborn child. 95% of biologists believe abortion kills a child.
That is if you believe like most Americans that Jesus picked America for his return. Abortion is legal in Israel. The first virgin birth did not turn out so good for the Jewish people.
The Americans who are religious have no idea where Jesus is going to return to.
I don’t like abortion being legal anywhere.
Remember Mary was a virgin. She was in no position to resist divine rape. But women today are better prepared against virgin births and divine rape.
Virgins can say no to sex, but Mary did not. She wanted to get pregnant by God.
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@Shila
Mary said something about letting God’s will be done.
But he lost all respect from me when he insists that abortion should be banned because it kills children and then kills children in Egypt. Imagine if non consenting children were expected to give their lives for someone else. He says it was to end slavery. This isn’t a consistent argument because the Bible supports slavery.
I think if God exists, he is a robot designed to slow humanity’s progress so his alien species could conquer the universe. If he didn’t want abortions, he would have given people condoms and birth control pills.
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@Shila
Mary consented to sex with God.
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@Dr.Franklin
That is what we have tried and have failed to do every single time. Bush tried it and failed, trump tried it and failed. It doesn't work. Latinos are liberal and the GOP just needs to accept it.
Bush and Trump deported the undocumented. Latinos are going to be pro undocumented. But if the GOP tries to win them over in other ways, the Latinos will gradually become more GOP. If the GOP drops immigration as an issue, they will get more Latino support. 51% of Latinos in New Jersey (blue state) supported Chris Christie because he dropped the immigration issue and focused on taxes and abortion.
For me it's not about politics. It's about saving the demographic balance of the nation. Remember we were 90% white in 1965.
Race doesn’t matter.
LMAO defend the corrupt billionaires in congress over american populists
Biden won the electoral college. The democrats (except for a few) aren’t curropt I think. The republicans are (which is why they vote for tax cuts for the rich despite their base not liking it).
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I treat the belief in white privilige the same way I treat the belief in God; not something to be believed without non anecdotal evidence.
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OCED? Are you even trying to be in good faith?
Well OCED are basically the western countries. There were countries besides Greece with a.l significantly higher unemployment rate than the US.
You being raised in a single motherhood home is your parent’s fault. Your deadbeat dad alone should be punished for it with hard labor and the revenue generated goes to fund child support(which should cost more for selfish deadbeats).
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@Ehyeh
I live in the UK, and we have essentially the same unemployment rate as America. Denmark, Germany, etc. all have very similar unemployment rates compared to America, and these are nations which "subsidize" unproductive adults.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/08/employment-rates-greece-oecd-2008-financial-crisis/ states the Us unemployment rate is less than the OCED average significantly.
What if you were a child of these single parents and couldn't go to the dentist?
I wouldn’t like the system, but I would hopefully know better than to force complete strangers to pay for my bills. Just like if I was a homeless foster kid, I’d like it if I was adopted. But I can’t FORCE anyone to adopt me. Consent means a lot. It is what separates theft from charity. It’s what separates sex from rape. It what separates adoption from taxes.
America is meant to be a place of freedom and equality
Freedom? Yes. Equality? No. In order to have equal outcome, you need to tax all above average earners at 100% and have their salaries subsidize below average earners. This leads to people not wanting to work.
You essentially throw single mothers under the bus over one bad decision.
I throw the selfish men who get them pregnant under the bus. If you can’t afford a kid, don’t have sex. If you have sex, your kid is nobody’s problem but your own.
A good society helps out their brothers and sisters and doesn't leave them to drown through a lack of empathy and entitlement. We should treat others as we would want to be treated if we were them.
A good person helps the poor. A good society doesn’t make helping the poor mandatory.
Even if you don't want to help single mothers because the mistake was theirs. Through doing that, you also punish a child whose fault it isn't theirs.
I’m not punishing a child as much as I just don’t want to help out a child. If you think this is a problem, your free to adopt. That’s your right. Just don’t force the taxpayer to pay for it.
When you're willing to pay thousands to kill people on death row or spend billions on space shit.
I don’t support the death penalty or space travel. The penalty for murder and rape should be designed to benefit the victim. My ideal penalty is the following:
1) Lifetime in jail.
2) Hard labor for their sentence, with the revenue partly going to benefit the victims. They can make license plates, fix roads, whatever generates money for the state.
3) Castration as a deterrent.
Rapists and murderers don’t deserve mercy.
As you said, only 1% of Americans work a minimum wage job. This is 7% where I live, and this is because our minimum wage is generally more livable. This allows less competitive, peaceful people to have a humble life. What's wrong with that?
Americans are more competitive than British people. This causes us to fight for higher salaries. Also, virtually all our minimum wage workers live with their parents, so they could get paid $1 a day, they still would live since their parents are taking care of them (I’m not advocating this position btw).
You're forced in America to have a car. If you don't have a car, you're fucked. Cars are very expensive too. I can just get the tram for free where I live.
It’s probably because you live in an urban area. I live in a suburban area; we don’t have a free train that picks us up by our house. Cars give you freedom; a train doesn’t.
We just realized we could achieve the same results as you with less effort. It's about smart work, not hard work.
I’ll eventually do smart work that pays more for being easier, but I’m only 20 now, so I can’t.
I personally am not attached to money; I find it vain.
If that’s what you believe, donate what you don’t need; that’s your right.
People could change the constitution if there was a big enough push for it.
Are you saying repeal the fourth amendment? If so, open up your home to the homeless.
Your politicians get their pockets filled by rich men to do their bidding.
To be honest, curroption has to be dealt with.
I don't know why you think democracies are so bad.
Because a pure democracy enabled slavery in Antabellum South. The white majority voted to keep voting rights and freedom away from the black minority. A pure democracy is mob rule.
People who move to America from Europe (i suspect i cant prove it) move to America for its people and cultural dominance
Why would someone be attracted to American people like that? Our accents make us sound like retards. But we got a good economy that the retarded Americans made. People move to America because of small government and big guns. At least it’s why people are fleeing CA to head to TX and FL. Don’t California my Texas.
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@Ua488168
If that’s the precedent, then abortion would have to be okay. I just need to read the article.
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@Ehyeh
Once more, you have the most billionaires on the planet by far, which raises your medium income substantially.
Billionaires skew the mean income, but barely the median.
You don't even earn more than me if you work a minimum wage in the US, than what i would in the UK! Why do you brag about the fact that Americans work like Africans and barely get any more pay than Europeans?
About 1% of the US workforce works a minimum wage job; it’s probably higher in the EU. The vast majority of American minimum wage workers are young enough to where living with their parents is feisable.
It is not a blessing that most people in America cannot choose their holidays; I rarely take vacations because I enjoy my job. It should at least be a choice, though. If you want to be a work dog than do that but don't force that on others.
It doesn’t get forced on others. If you want to be lazy, that’s your right. Just don’t force a company or anybody else to pay for your laziness.
More time to build a connection with God.
I talk to God at work. You can do both work and talk to God at the same time.
Its truly sad you feel that way when 1 bad decision (like having a child before you're 25) will essentially ensure that you live in economic poverty for the rest of your life, when your brain and decision making isn't even fully developed.
This is why people shouldn’t have sex until they can afford a kid. I don’t even think people should date unless the goal is marraige with such a person. I know I don’t date and if a hot girl asked me out, I’d turn her down. I don’t think it should be banned because that’s too authoritarian. But I don’t think it’s smart to date and have sex until one is married and fiscally able to have a kid.
Is that really a haven to you?
It’s tough for sure, but I wouldn’t want my tax dollars paying for the kids other people shouldn’t have had. I don’t want them aborting. People that have one kid when they can’t afford it should not be having any more kids and I would encourage such men to get vasectomies so I don’t have to pay for their kids if they produce a 2nd kid (because they wouldn’t produce a 2nd kid). I also recommend setting their kid up for adoption.
America is great but its still a shithole!
Are you aware this sentence is a contradiction? You can’t be great if your a shithole.
stop being complacent thinking America is the ultimate place, like you don't have people born into poverty. Like you don't have people suffering and blowing their goddamn heads off because they hurt so much! Like you don't have people not being able to afford to pay for their cancer treatment. Like people don't work 60 hours a week on two jobs just to survive.
You think Europe is better than America because of social democracy. I think America is better than the EU because of relative anarcho capitalism. How does one objectively measure which is better? My measurement is the number of people that merely want to move to the US or any country in the EU. America is a more popular destination to move than any country in Europe. We attract less tourists than some countries. But we attract more immigrants. The immigrants generally believe America is the better location to move to since they come to the US in higher numbers than any country in the EU.
Being in poverty is worse in America than in most of Europe. At least I can still go to the dentist.
It’s worse, but I don’t want to pay for other people’s health bills with high taxes.
There is better public transport in Europe. People don't realise how much a car costs.
Why should America make the switch to public transport?
You happen to live in a society which has agreed (through votes and elections) its worthwhile to have taxes!
I understand the need for taxes. I just don’t want an INCOME tax, a PROPERTY tax, and I don’t want taxes going to programs that subsidize the unproductive adults.
If you want to clean the boots of your corp daddies all day, that doesn't mean others should want that.
I don’t do that. My Chipotle job sucks, but I do it for the money. I’m willing to work harder than most Europeans and this makes Americans grittier.
I'm not lazy if I don't want to fill out paper work all day when I could still have a nice life with more holidays.
You are lazy if you don’t want to work.
Yes, we can. That's what democracy is.
Democracy is forcing me to adopt a homeless person? That is unconstitutional. Goes against the fourth amendment I think.
t is not even the most democratic nation on the planet. There are studies to back this stuff up.
A pure democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on who’s for lunch. A Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote. Republics are better than democracies.
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@Ua488168
https://www.wikihow.com/Not-Pay-Child-Support?amp=1 states child support can’t be unpaid simply because the parent doesn’t want to pay it.
Men and women need to take personal responsibility.
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@Ehyeh
Americas per capita wealth is high because of the amount of extremely rich people.
America’s median income is also higher than the EU’s; it’s probably higher than even the UKs. People in America are just more hard working than Europeans because Europeans are too lazy.
If the money is all concentrated in 1% of peoples hands this means some people are not going to be able to afford basic things.
That’s not the case in America. America has a middle class which is why Bernie Sanders will never become president in the US.
This is bad in Europe but even more so in America.
Our poverty rates are comparable.
In Europe we do just fine with our per capita wealth.
In America, we do better, mainly because gas here usually sells for under $1.2 a liter. I’m Europe, you couldn’t get gas that cheap.
we see it as worth the increased tax burden.
In America, we have healthcare; we just pay for it directly. Europe subsidizes the unvaccinated and the smokers.
That still doesn't deny the fact that geography is literally the only thing setting America apart from Europe.
Western Europe has better geography than America. Less warm summers and more warm winters.
Taxes in the EU are perfectly fine if you're willing to sacrifice some of your wealth for your common man,
Why should I sacrifice for strangers? How many kids have you sponsored? If the answer is 0, it’s hypocritical to demand others sacrifice for strangers when you don’t sacrifice with your own funds.
Its evident most people in the EU don't dislike this system, as the happiest nations in Europe seem to have rather high taxes
This is because Scandinavians lack adrenaline, common in ‘Murica.
When you're poor in America, its worse than being poor in the EU. When you're rich in America, its better than being rich in the EU. Its that simple.
Yeah, because Americans don’t subsidize laziness and unproductivity.
what's with the refugee comment? Many Americans preach the same stuff. you hold so much pride in your nation to the point you degrade your fellow humans simply for being born in a different nation
If you think that’s wrong, adopt a homeless bum from some random country. That’s your right. Just don’t tread on my economic liberty.
Essentially calling Europe a shithole.
Compared to America, any place is a shithole and in general, American immigrants hate socialism(which is why they move here as opposed to Spain). Also, the term shithole isn’t just for black countries; some whit countries are shitholes too. I’m not racist.
Compared to the states of Texas, Florida, Tenessee, and Nevada (America’s freedom outposts), every other state is either a crap place to live or filled with too socialistic income taxes. Make America Texas. Abortion banned and the income tax unconstitutional.
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@Ehyeh
You're just assuming people will steal more without guns.
I’m saying that if America banned guns, only criminals and gangs would have guns, so they rob people who can’t defend themselves. Gun control sounds like this:
1) A wolf bites a sheep and tears its teeth into the sheep killing it.
2) All the other sheep notice that it was teeth that killed the sheep.
3) All the sheep agree to take their own teeth out for their own safety and let’s say they can still eat grass.
4) THE WOLF STILL HAS TEETH
Replace teeth with guns, wolf with criminals/government, and sheep with normal people, and that’s what gun control is.
i was point out that when they are used they cause the most deaths.
And banning them won’t lead to less mass shooting deaths because people that want to murder will always find the guns that they need to commit mass murder. Gun control disarms only law abiding citizens.
I was talking about the reason why America as a whole is so economically powerful. Its simply geography. America has statically the most arable and best land on the planet.
California has better land than most of the country, but people are fleeing that shithole because of the failed policies. Hopefully they don’t turn their new states into the shithole they fled from.
America has one of the largest income disparities in the developed world.
Nothing wrong with that. What matters is per capita wealth. If one person has $1 million and another person has $5 million, that’s better than if they both have $20. But the ladder situation has less income disparities. What matters is per capita income.
Europeans are also taxed a lot more than Americans (in most nations) this is also in large part why Europeans have more robust social programs and developed public transport systems etc.
The taxes in the EU are insane. No wonder people perfer the states to the EU. If your a European immigrant to America, just remember your a refugee and not a missionary.
America has decent policy, but its mostly about the geography as to why its so economically and culturally powerful.
Western EU has better geography than America; less warm summers and more warm winters. But people still move to America.
There's such thing as taking personal responsibility and at the same time creating systemic changes to help people make better personal choices. Some people aren't as smart or educated as you, who made need more of a push through positive systemic changes.
If every single democrat adopted a homeless person, sponsored a kid in poverty, and put solar panels on their roof, they would be able to end a lot of the problems they bitch about.
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@n8nrgim
Texas is bussing them to NYC and DC. Maybe this will get the dems to finally acknowledge there's a crisis, and to find a way to stop it.
It’s not a crisis; but an economic boom. I’d like it if they were in my city. It would create so many jobs in housing development.
Instead of catch and release, send them back.
Or send them to NYC and DC; they want them; let them have them.
They need jobs which would be stealing from poor Americans.
Not going to happen because in addition to being a worker, every undocumented immigrant is also a customer. Workers take jobs from the economy, yet customers produce them at a proportional rate. America has the most number of undocumented immigrants ever in our history for the most part and for the most part, the lowest unemployment rate, even after the libs fucked up the economy due to COVID. The undocumented don’t cause the unemployment rate to rise.
They don't speak English or have our culture so it would be expensive to teach them English and get them trained.
Google translate and other translation software solves this almost completely. I’ve used Google translate with people that didn’t know English and it works well. It can all be done from the phone which the undocumented already own, so they don’t even have to buy anything. It’s also why I think we should teach something besides languages in school; Google translate is wonderful. But the kids would learn English on their own.
Makes more sense to chip in financially to get them in a country that speaks their language and shares culture.
Or let the taxpayers settle in Vermont. Vermont’s GOP governor wants more taxpayers in his state. Ship all the undocumented immigrants to NYC, DC, and Vermont. He also wins deep blue Vermont. Make ‘Murica Free Again.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don’t think I want to spend any time debating a guy who spells retarded as retarted. And you’re not suppose to use that term anymore. It’s an offensive term.
I have autism, so me using the term is like a black person using the N word. And I don’t care if people call me retarted. Free speech.
That must be some college you are attending kid. Is it a Christian College by chance? In the south?
I live in CT.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
It’s not illegal for a man to leave or abandon a woman when he gets her pregnant
This is false. Men have to stick with the females they get pregnant.
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@Ua488168
A biological father can’t opt out of child support just because he wants to. But a female is allowed to opt out of taking care of the kid just because she wants to.
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@Dr.Franklin
most latinos voted for the democrats in 1980
The solution is to get them to be GOP voters by appealing to their values. Deporting them is like killing all the black unborn babies because they will grow up to be democrat voters (the black unborn babies weren’t here for a long time).
Jan 6 was terrorism and it’s why I’m not voting for Trump despite being pro life, anti vaccine mandate, anti gun control. Accept the damn results of the election you crybaby.
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@Ehyeh
In an ideal world, Americans should not have guns, in my personal opinion.
Then we would get robbed a lot. Criminals will have guns and you can’t disarm criminals unless they are in jail (which they can avoid since government police suck).
Almost all the worst mass shootings in American history were with AR-15's. It's only a matter of time before others who want to wreck maximum havoc recognise this.
AR 15s were legalized in 2004 and the mass shooting rate started to skyrocket in 2012. The two aren’t connected.
This has little to do with your government, but more so geography.
People are fleeing CA which has some of the best geography in the world.
People want to move to America simply because the economy is good.
The economy is good because of right wing economic policies.
The UK would have an economy as large as the US's if it were the same size, as with most European nations.
The per capita income of the UK is 75% that of America’s.
if you're poor in America its worse than being poor in Germany, Scandinavia or the UK simply due to all the robust social services and welfare systems in these nations (something you probably vehemently detest)
The poor need to get better paying jobs to get more money. They also should spend less. I make minimum wage and I have $24,000 in assets because I invest and don’t spend. If you can’t afford a home, live with your parents if you can. It’s what I do. I’m 20. If your above 25, you should have a job that pays more than minimum wage.
If you care so much about poor people, your free to adopt them; that’s your right. Jus don’t force me to pay for it.
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@rayhan16
1. What was man created from.The first man (Adam) was created from clay or mud (water and dust)Adams offsprings were created from a clot (drop of fluid). Man was nothing before
You didn’t address 19:67, 52:35, of 96:2.
2. Compulsion in religionThere is no compulsion in religion. Muslims are not allowed to fight unless the enemy fights first. Self defence. Those who know the truth and rejected the truth will get a punishment in hell. However, these disbelievers do not believe this. This is not compulsion btw.
9:5 calls for killing pagans unless they convert to Islam and doesn’t say anything about it being only for self defense.
3. Who was the first MuslimAdam was the first Muslim as he submitted his will to the creator. The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was the first Muslim practising Islam to how it is now.
You didn’t address 7:143
4. Is Shirk Forgivable?Shirk is the worship of another entity to Allah. This is an unforgiveable sin if you do not repent. If a Muslim repents sincerely, Allah will forgive this sin In Sha Allah. However if you do not repent, then Allah will not forgive this sin and it is hellfire for that person.
Fair enough, but an eternity in hellfire for this is way too cruel. I don’t know how people can defend this.
The rest I’m not too sure about.
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@NerdWhoDebates
Would you like to do an actual debate on this?
I don’t have time or energy. Sorry.
Norway took people's guns for safety...was Norway wanting to do something they would be shot for?
No… but there have been countries that have, like:
1) Russia
2) China
3) The taliban.
There is also the possibility Norway becomes tyrannical. Any government can go tyrannical at any time. If Norway were to force people to adopt refugees, I’d grab arms over that.
Are you referring to police killing innocent people, such as George Floyd?
That’s an example. The government can’t be trusted.
I'm curious, do you agree with the people who stormed the capital on January 6th?
On their actions and motives to storm the capital; no. Biden won fair in square. But they are right on guns. They also bootlicking the government too much if it’s a right wing government.
This is measuring homicide rate, not gun violence statistics. Additionally, this only shows the next 5 years when significant legislation like that often takes longer to really take effect.
People that want to murder will always find a way to murder. I’d rather get shot to death than stabbed to death; I’m scared of being conscious when losing blood. I think legislation that would ban guns can have the homicide rate impacted by that legislation in 5 years tops if gun control reduces the homicide rate.
The argument that guns are necessary to fight a tyrannical government is outdated and nonsense, contradicted by the very fact that Americans were given guns by the French to fight the British. Not only that, but the current war in Ukraine and the wars in the Middle East show you get guns anyway during war times.
America was lucky enough to have allies. What if you don’t have allies?
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@Dr.Franklin
Jan6 was amazing, I agree
Jan 6 was bad. Don’t defend it. Biden won.
legalizing sex with married adults make sense because they are considerable more responsible than teens who do not have the financial and psychological means of raising a child.
This is a justification. If you believe in an inconsistency, justify it.
Sure I will give him credit on that.
Same.
Third world immigration is new, and it has single-handedly turned California from a state that Reagan carried to a deep blue state
Reagan won because Regean was soft on immigration (which Latinos liked) and his opponent said that taxes on normal people should go up. In other words, Regean was a likable republican and his opponent was a stupid democrat. But the solution would be to get the undocumented in the GOP, not to deport them.
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@NerdWhoDebates
What is it defining as a "mass shooting death"?
Banning AR 15s and background checks don’t reduce the homicide rate significantly (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/11yflOMimI67xOmbzx3E_f6x0MlweEgjkwUpmJ8Ww8Ug/htmlview#gid=0)
The alternative that allows citizens to still bear arms in this instance, is to give weapons to those wanting to defend themselves in the event of a war.
There can at any time be a war between American civilians and foreign countries or even our own government. America is freest when the government is most scared of enacting tyranny. Canada has hard vaccine mandates that cause lots of people to be unemployed. Europe has incredibly high income and VATs that make most people there lower middle class. A government that cares about liberty would privatize lots of things to make an unequal blessing in their country, rather than an equally shared misery. America’s commitment to small government and liberty is why more people (especially from countries that lack liberty) want to move to America than any other country. It’s why more people move to red states than blue states.
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@NerdWhoDebates
IF there is a way for a government to enact a mandatory buyback of assault rifles and be confident they got most of the assault rifles of their country, I would support an assault rifles ban.
That’s too authoritarian. The only reason a government wants to take your guns is because they want to do something to you you would shoot them for. The taliban wanted to enact tyranny in their country, so they took people’s guns. Guns make us free. The tree of liberty from time to time must be watered with the blood of tyrants.
Gang violence would be less prominent if guns were banned.
Gangs don’t follow the law. Criminals will always have guns. The only people gun laws effect are law abiding citizens (who need protection from criminals and the government).
Are you saying you believe undocumented immigrants should fight back against ICE tyranny with guns?
Yes. The tree of liberty from time to time must be watered with the blood of tyrants. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fear the people, there is liberty.
For instance, it has been found that gun violence is more prominent in less economically privileged counties: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2786452. POCs are also twice as likely to die from gun violence, and 14 times more likely to be wounded: https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue
Homicide is rare when the civilian does it and common when the governor does it. I trust we the people to defend themselves from danger over a government known for tyranny and war.
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@Dr.Franklin
But I would say that some people are less "reactant" to violence committed by their own side, and like to point figures instead. I am sure you have noted the difference in the liberal response between the BLM riots and Jan6.
Unfortunately you are correct. But conservatives like Bryson Gray defended Jan 6. I also know some lefties that defended the BLM riots.
It is not an inconsistency, being pro-life simply relates to abortion, not the death penalty
It’s an inconsistency; just like legalizing sex with married adults but banning sex with children is an inconsistency (but an inconsistency I believe is justified because kids don’t enjoy sex). If you believe in an inconsistency, justify it by means that have nothing to do with party affiliation.
The right will probably never give Sanders credit due to his other stances. One right cause doesn't negate the fact that he is an absolute clown.
If you believe Sanders is a clown on weed, abortion, taxes on the rich, you believe that. But if he’s anti war and you are too, give him credit where you agree. I do, and I disagree with him on abortion (not weed though; I don’t have an issue with 18 year olds smoking weed).
Yes I am absolutely willing to close down the borders, but I probably wouldn't force black women to get abortions.Immigrants will always vote democrat
Blacks vote for democrats more often than immigrants. So you support closing down the borders and possibly letting families die while in their shithole countries because they are future democrat voters, but you wouldn’t mandate blacks abort all their kids even though blacks are more left wing in terms of voting patterns than immigrants.
What if we open the borders in blue counties and build a wall around the welfare state? Problem solved; no more immigrants living on welfare.
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@Lemming
That only can help the government if the ships get taxed, which libertarians argue is theft.
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@Lemming
How does that generate revenue for the government to pay off the debt?
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@3RU7AL
If the private sector can deliver cheap nuclear energy, then they should have no problem delivering it in a free market. The libertarian approach to energy should be the free market, not a bias towards nuclear power.
The most feisable way to pay off the debt is higher taxes and lower spending.this claim is provably false
How else do you plan on paying off the debt?
more specifically, leftists believe billionaires shouldn't receive government subsidies (CORPORATE WELFARE)
Right wing libetarians agree. Right wing authoritarians don’t.
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@Ehyeh
Left libertarian is an oxymoron. Libertarians want low taxes on the rich because they earned that money, leftists think billionaire’s shouldn’t exist because they get triggered over the successful.
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