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@ILikePie5
No it wouldn’t, because I’m American by birth. I never said an individual can dismantle communism. I said it’s a group effort.
The group doesn't want to corporate. If I were Chinese, I would rather go to an anti commie country than risk my life trying to make china not communist.
Blue cities are already overcrowded as they are. Your spreadsheet is 100% inaccurate and contains flaws. There’s no way you fit a billion people in blue cities.
I said to send the undocumented to blue counties, not cities. The majority of blue county land is rural. Row 842 indicates how the immigrants can be in the US without overcrowding.
Liking the United States =/= disliking China. You seem to have a problem with theories based on mutual exclusiveness.
Liking the US over china is the opposite of liking China over the US. If people preferred China, they would move to China. But they want American small government.
Strawman. I said the people of China need to get rid of communism in China. I never said I support communism, nor would I want communism.
Well, having tough immigration quotas is copying communist China. Fuck China!
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@zedvictor4
Once again you have changed the original hypothesis and created your own......So let's forget about that.
How? I'm not wanting both parties to make their issues about race.
And if anyone is professing liberalism here....It's you.
How? I advocate for treating people based on their character and abilities, not their skin color. That's not liberalism. It's Americanism.
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@bmdrocks21
Perhaps we can start kneecapping repeat offenders
This violates the 8th amendment. kneecapping - Search (bing.com) also indicates that what you are proposing is terroristic. If you don't like ISIS because they are terrorists, you should apply that same anti terrorist mentality for what America does.
It might be if I proposed putting a limit of 0 on immigration for as long as the nation continued to survive, but I don’t.
The US population would fall if that happens. I don't want to encourage reproduction because kids are expensive for the state to educate, but if you want to reproduced that's fine. I don't think it should be encouraged.
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@zedvictor4
So if you have private Policing companies ....Would they be regulated or not?
Yes.
And if regulated, then by who?
The government, just like any other business.
And who awards the contracts.
The customers. It would work by customers paying $100/year for policing services from the company of their choice. Then if the customer gets murdered, raped, or have any other crime committed against them, they can call their private company number and the company can arrest someone with due process.
And just maybe, the poor conviction rate is not the fault of poor Policing, but perhaps has something to do with the legal system and it's private practitioners.
The poor conviction rate is largely because of the government being slow like it is with everything else. The private sector can do justice faster and better than the government.
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@ILikePie5
Are you really expecting an immigrant from China to organize a group within China to dismantle it's communism?Yes
This would be akin to you travelling to China to dismantle communism.
No individual can dismantle communism, so it's better if the anti communist Chinese came over here.
It would be easier, and better for the US economy if every single undocumented immigrant settled in a blue county.No it wouldn’t, because it’s impossible.
It's possible. I made a spreadsheet proving it.
Also, what makes you think immigrants will be anti-China lol. Most countries rely on trade with China
People move to places they like. If China was their favorite country, they would move to China. But more people move to America than any other country because America is the best country God ever created.
Immigration isn’t a mutually exclusive topic with respect to economic ideology
So you want to copy communist China? If so, your a communist.
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We should privatize the police; get the government out of the policing business and let private companies take over.
Left wing reason to back it: If the government police kill a black dude, there is no real action. If a private company does the same thing, they risk losing business.
Right wing reason to back it: Thanks to our government police, 40% of murderers and 65% of rapists get away with their crimes. The private sector can bring these numbers down a lot by eliminating the bureaucratic waste.
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@ILikePie5
So rather than changing their own countries
Are you really expecting an immigrant from China to organize a group within China to dismantle it's communism? It would be easier, and better for the US economy if every single undocumented immigrant settled in a blue county.
Essentially you’re saying we should accept billions of people (hint: we don’t have room for that many)
Billions of people don't want to come to America, but if 1.2 billion extra people entered America, our overall population density is still about half that of England, and I wouldn't call England that overcrowded. America won't overcrowd with a bunch of anti China undocumented immigrants coming here.
Communist big government China is tough on immigration. Capitalist small government America shouldn't be.
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@zedvictor4
And I would strongly suggest that the young respectable white guy would naturally lean towards the white neighbourhood.
What if that white guy has no idea what's a white vs nonwhite neighborhood (I don't know where the white neighborhoods are)? He may look for other aspects such as, "quality of town", "school system strength", "low cost of living", "low taxes", but not, "How white is this neighborhood?". Segregation is despised by pretty much every American.
And I would certainly consider the make up of my neighbours....As would you in a nanosecond, almost without thinking.....There's no avoiding obvious differences.Racism as popularly defined, is not about perception but about subsequent behaviour relative to perception.
If you care whether your neighbors are white or aren't, YOUR a racist. But I'm not. Racism is treating people different for being a race. I don't do this; I hope you don't do this.
So it's just white liberals and the KKK who are racist for the most part?
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@ILikePie5
Lots of reasons. Immigration wasn’t that big of an issue back then. Deporting illegal immigrants wasn’t controversial when Obama was President.But when Trump does it, Orangeman bad. We aren’t going to cooperate with them.
Obama got plenty criticized when he deported people. Biden also gets criticized for it. But it's possible that the reason Trump deported less people was due to states not coorperating.
Well maybe you should go to practically any other country illegal. We’ll see what happens to you lol.
Other countries don't have liberty and small government as their ethos; America does.
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@bmdrocks21
It's not goofy. Authoritarian conservatives and authoritarian leftists try to race bait everyone and most normal people of all races don't fall for it.
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@ILikePie5
Have you considered that various states actively prevented federal deportations under Trump? States like California didn’t notify ICE and wouldn’t hand them over.
Why would California do this to Trump and not to Obama? I thought people still got deported in California under Trump and Obama.
That might be a lurking variable, but it's still expected that Trump would deport more than Obama and Biden per year.
I don't think we should deport anyone, so I'm glad Trump didn't deport as many people.
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@FLRW
I have no problem with Trump bringing Slovenian strippers into the country ( and making them First Lady's).
Does Trump's big dick need all that pussy?
The Post noted it was unclear why there have been fewer deportations under Trump.
Because Trump was born in Queens, a borough that is 45% immigrant and he knows how to appeal to the GOP protectionist base.
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@ILikePie5
If you measure deportation numbers by the proportion of undocumented immigrants in the US that got deported in a year, Trump still deports less than Obama(Deportation Rates in Historical Perspective | Cato at Liberty Blog)
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The left: Trump is tough on immigration. This is horrible and racist. No human being is illegal.
The right: Trump is tough on immigration. This is putting America first and patriotic. Build the wall.
Me: Trump isn't even tough on immigration; he's deported less people per year than Biden and Obama. If you're going to praise or criticize Mr. Rich Orange Man, at least have your reason be accurate.
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@bmdrocks21
As White people are displaced as the majority of the nation and the people of other races are taught to hate White people (either by schools, media, or parents)
I live in an area where I as someone who is white is the minority when I was in high school. People weren't taught to hate white people. People may support BLM, open borders, or repealing qualified immunity, but that's not the same thing as hating white people. Don't race bait.
In all likelihood, I see a South Afria-esque future for White Americans, and I think they have a collective interest in not letting that happen.
The 1 White South African I met said whites weren't oppressed in South Africa to this day. It's just a White lives matter crowd that is as woke as the BLM crowd.
I'd point out that the White suicide rate is insanely high relative to most other groups.
Suicide is extremely rare among all races.
The opioid epidemic mainly affects White people.
Opioid Crisis Statistics | HHS.gov states that less people died from opioid use than from car accidents. This shows how rare drug overdose deaths are.
Don't make stuff about race.
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@bmdrocks21
Lmao, none of them get along. There are stereotypes about "dumb blondes"
There are those stereotypes, but it's not like there is an organization called, "blond lives matter" that seeks to end discrimination against blonds. Most black people aren't part of BLM. It's just these fringe woke people and their fervent opponents that are part of the identity wars.
men and women clearly don't get along
You sure about that? A male is more likely to marry a woman than a man and vice versa.
and short men/tall women get verbally abused all the time.
I'm a short guy and I can tell you that I don't get verbally abused for being short. If someone did verbally abuse me for being short, that's their free speech.
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@bmdrocks21
Multicultural/multiracial societies will never prosper because everyone will always fight each other based on racial and ethnic differences ^_^
Race is only a problem if you make it one.
Just as people with different hair colors, genders, and heights can get along fine without fighting, people of different races can do the same.
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@Bones
I've met people that claim Sanders is a centrist.
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@zedvictor4
So let's say that a young respectable "white" guy was offered a choice between two smart apartments, would he choose the one in the "white" neighbourhood, or the one in the Chinese neighbourhood.
I would be surprised he could tell the difference between the white and Chinese neighborhood on a map since I don't know the white and non white parts of NYC. For instance, if I moved to NYC (I live close by), I don't know what racial group is in what neighborhood; I may move where the rent is cheapest. I may move where I can build my own house so I don't have to pay rent. I may rent somewhere close to my job so I don't have to pay ridiculous tolls. I don't consider the race of my neighbors.
You might consider the racial makeup of your neighbors, so you might be a racist. But I don't. Just because liberals are racist doesn't mean conservatives/independents have to be.
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@oromagi
Exactly; if the political compass test is a terrible test, why do people treat it as relevant?
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@oromagi
The Political Compass states
It remains a mystery to us why Sanders chose to describe himself — incorrectly — as a socialist, and in America of all countries. His position is that of a mainstream social democrat
OIP.RpBTa9jXaYLxZg7-PNGfygAAAA (400×400) (bing.com) claims Sanders is a centrist.
1*6D_jbYoJ8o_LudVM20S1hA.png (1826×872) (medium.com) claim Bernie Sanders is a centrist.
But he's not; he's far left. I don't care if he's far left, but don't claim he's a centrist.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
How do you know?
Because one is a sample of the other.
It's amazing how many people don't seem to realize this. I've volunteered at places like that, almost everyone I've met would not be able to integrate with society if you gave them a house. Yes they would have a house, but they wouldn't get a job. If they were psychologically capable of holding down a job they would have somewhere to live.
This is less serious than murder. If America won't give the homeless free stuff, we shouldn't give even more crazy murderers free stuff.
As for this notion that it's expensive to shoot someone, come on think about it for one minute. The holocaust would never have happened if that was fundamentally true.
Bullets are cheap. Don't execute people for being Jewish; execute people for being murderers and/or rapists.
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Bernie Sanders on the Issues indicates Bernie Sanders is as far left as you can be.
There is nothing wrong with being far left. Just don't call yourself a centrist if you are.
The political compass test is a backwards far left test that makes anybody who isn't as left as Sanders on the right. They claim America has no left wing, but they make the same claim about Canada and New Zealand (2 countries most people would say are left wing). How is Bernie Sanders a centrist? What right wing policies does he support?
This is why a better political compass test can be found below that is much better than the most famous political compass test:
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@Dr.Franklin
American politicians should appeal to Americans irrespective of their race and shouldn't call out any race more than any other.
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@Reece101
So if a women uses a man to get pregnant by messing with the condom or lying about using birth control, she should be put to death too?
She's pregnant, so killing her would cause the killing of the kid as well. But if it wasn't for that, I would give the death penalty in this instance.
Will the teenager or woman be allowed to get an abortion then?
She wouldn't be allowed since it would be punishable legally. But her boyfriend faces the punishment for it.
The pro-life people should focus on preventative ways to stop unwanted pregnancies instead of cracking down on abortion.
Imagine if I said, "The anti rape crowd should focus on ways to prevent rape rather than outlaw it."
Rape absolutely should be prevented by reasonable means (tough punishment, encouraging guys that need to watch porn watch porn so they get their sexual urges out on the porn rather than a non consenting woman, but don't castrate every male to prevent rape). Only reasonable things should be done to prevent rape. Outlawing and punishing rape is one of those things.
Abortion absolutely should be prevented by reasonable means (tough punishment for men that cause aborted pregnancies, free birth control, but don't castrate every male to prevent abortion). Only reasonable things should be done to prevent abortion. Outlawing and punishing abortion is one of those things.
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@zedvictor4
The very fact that we are having this discussion tells me that you perceive difference.
I know the difference between a blond and a brunette, but I don't hate people for being either. A racist hates someone for their skin color. I'm not racist. The definition of racism is to be a narrow definition. Being able to tell the difference between white people and black people isn't racist.
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@zedvictor4
And being wrongfully convicted and executed is no justification for anything.
It saves money.
Money is make believe, and no one actually needs to be homeless, but that's just how a greed based system works.
If you think this is a problem, adopt a homeless person and give all your money to him. Money is not make believe.
So I will give all my money to a homeless person, if you will give up the system and go live in a remote cave and hunt and gather for a living.
No, your missing my claim. I want my money and I think money matters. You disagree. I don’t have to change ANY part of my lifestyle to adjust to my values. You on the other hand, if you REALLY believe money doesn’t mean anything to you, should give it to a homeless person.
But you won’t do this since you too realize money matters, and it matters a lot. $1/day matters to pretty much every single American more than the life of a starving child in Africa (if this wasn’t the case, the majority of Americans would sponsor children in Africa).
But this doesn’t happen because the vast majority of Americans don’t agree with your radical socialist agenda because they care about their finances way more than the lives of any stranger on death row that probably murdered.
Eat grass!
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@zedvictor4
By virtue of sensory ability, everyone is racist and/or discriminatory.
I’m not racist.
Social problems will therefore inevitably arise, in a society that naturally fragments into sub-groups based upon perceivable differences.
This is also false. America has never fought between black haired and blond people. We don’t have to fight based on race either.
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@3RU7AL
perhaps you're unfamiliar with the concept of epistemological limits
What are those?
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@Reece101
Even if she goes through with the pregnancy?
Yes. Causing pregnancy without consent is as bad as rape and worthy of death.
Women will be seeking abortion regardless, which in many cases will lead to internal bleeding/infection/death.
There are people that seek to do horrible things. If they commit these horrible things, a proportional penalty is needed. The female didn’t get pregnant from HER free will; she was pressured to have sex by her boyfriend.
Therefore the sluttish boyfriend deserves the penalty for abortion.
If you don’t want pregnancy, don’t have sex(I’m assuming your male). Females are victims of their sex positive boyfriends. Punish the male; not the female.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You don't know how many are false, all you know is how many were reversed.
The proportion is roughly the same.
But our murderers are treated better than homeless people. If you want a murderer to live in prison, your free to donate to a prison.
But if your willing to do this, it makes more sense to donate that money to a homeless shelter instead of to murderers and rapists.
Murderers and rapists should get killed to save money.
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@Polytheist-Witch
And everybody's known for decades it's cheaper to keep a prisoner for life than to put them on death row and pay for the appeals.
So make the death penalty cheaper; if someone is convicted of murder, they have 1 hour left to live, and then they get killed so we don’t have to pay for their death row living expenses.
I’m sick of America treating murderers and rapists better than homeless people. A homeless person would LOVE the free room and board that murderers get if they get it for free.
Murderers and rapists deserve death.
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The left: Police disproportionally kill people of color.
The right: Private schools disproportionally benefit people of color.
The left: Abortion bans disproportionally impact women of color.
The right: Aborted fetuses are disproportionally people of color.
The left: Systemic racism disproportionally impacts people of color.
The right: Single motherhood disproportionally impacts people of color.
Me: STOP MAKING YOUR ISSUES ABOUT RACE!!! I don't care what racial group gets more impacted by an issue. I care about it's impact in American society. Both of you guys want to play the race card and any non-racist person doesn't care what racial group gets impacted because that would filter in race. Don't filter in race for your complaints.
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@zedvictor4
It only takes one wrong conviction to make the system fail.
This is false. Over 30,000 people die from car accidents a year, yet we don't ban cars because that would destroy the economy. Small numbers of people dying is okay if the reason is justified enough.
And money is make believe....We happily waste billions on all sorts of trivial and unnecessary stuff.
If you REALLY believe that money is make believe, then give all your money to a homeless person. I'm anti war and anti corporate welfare.
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@3RU7AL
I can't. Despite that, If you don't want to define gender by chromosomes, find a different definition for gender. If your definition of a woman is, "a human without a penis", you would have to define a man as, "somebody with a penis". This means that trans men aren't men because they don't have penises.
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@Nyxified
Trans women are women.
In order to make this claim, you need a definition for the word, "women" that doesn't contain the word, "women" in it. Currently, the definition is, "Someone with XX chromosomes".
Also, I've seen some of your Twitch. You don't look nor sound like a woman.
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@3RU7AL
why aren't corporations run by democratic principles ?why can't people vote for their managers and executives ?
It lessens and maybe eliminates the incentive to start a business. What's the point of risking a lot of money and time and hard work only to create a business that can be collectivized by your employees?
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@RationalMadman
An eye for an eye for a rapist would be to rape them, not kill them.
I don't know how you would rape a rapist. Rapists like sex. If the rapist is straight, you could have a guy rape them, but what if the guy doesn't consent? Also, what if the rapist has HIV? ANy guy that rapes him would have to be HIV+ or get the disease. Also, what if the rapist enjoys the sex? Then he would rape more people just to get that promiscuious sex that he likes.
Why dud you fake quote me in your second quote?
I wasn't quoting you in this instance. I was asking a hypothetical question.
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@zedvictor4
You've got to prove it first......Beyond all doubt.
Correct. False conviction rates are low.
Rather than just create a judgement.Judgements are often biased, and have been wrong on more than one occasion.
Judgements might be biased and have been wrong extremely rarely.
Resurrection isn't an option.
I don't want murderers and rapists living off the tax dollars of their victims and their families.
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@RationalMadman
Eye for an eye... I think you got the wrong idea how to implement that on a rapist and a wrong idea about life if you think you've 'cracked the secret' to justice that was the most primitive way of implementing justice ever invented.
If you want the murderers and rapists to live, your free to donate to a prison. But if you ask the typical rape victim or the family of a murderer victim,
Do you want to pay for the living expenses of the man that raped you or murdered your child?
I think most of the people would strongly disapprove of this prompt. Yet the west's soft on crime justice system forces these victims to pay, adding insult to injury.
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@n8nrgim
would you support making criminals be slaves to the state, for the benefit of the victims? the slavery would be geared towards making money, to compensate the victims. if they chose not to be slaves, they could be executed. thoughts?
There are 2 possibilities to this scenario:
1) There are no jobs available for the criminals to do that are productive enough to pay for their living expenses and money for their victims. If this is the case, then you can't hire them because there is no work available.
2) There are jobs available for the criminals to do that are productive enough to pay for their living expenses and money for their victims. If this is the case, then you give these jobs to either people that aren't criminals (because they deserve the job and the salary more than the murderer) or you give the money to a low level offender (like someone who stole $500 to feed their family). I would like to give the slavery jobs to those that did low level offenses and if murderers took those jobs, they are taking a job away from someone that did a crime that nobody thinks should be worthy of death (like stealing $500).
I'm not sure if there are enough jobs for both the low level offender that should be rehabbed (like those that steal $500) and the high level offender (the murderer/rapist) but if there are, I wouldn't mind enslaving the rapist and the murderer as an alternative punishment. I just don't think such slavery positions would be available for the murderers and rapists without taking someone else's job. I know I wouldn't want my job to be lost to a murderer or rapist who I would rather have executed than causing me to be unemployed.
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@Barney
Factoring in the appeals etc., how much does it cost to execute one prisoner? Comparatively, how much does it cost to keep them in prison for life?
I wouldn't do appeals. You have one murder trial (whether innocent or guilty) and if they find you guilty, you die from firing squad. This costs about $1 for a bullet. Life in jail costs millions of dollars. Some innocent people would die, but the money saved is a tradeoff as life isn't priceless since it only lasts a finite amount of time.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You can have sex without responsibility by the method you just outlined of saying "not it". Every male (excepting the ones who are ready to commit) will say that, thus all consequences will fall on the woman; and they should.
The male has to state before the pregnancy exists to the female that if she gets pregnant, he won't take responsibility. If the female agrees to have sex with him nonetheless, the pregnancy is her fault. The guy in advance has to state that he won't take responsibility if she gets pregnant, and this has to be in writing as proof. Otherwise, it's assumed he didn't mention responsibility and therefore he would have to take care of the kid he chose to create.
Drunk people choose to be drunk people before they are drunk, children do not choose to be young before they are young.
Fair point, but drunk people still don't know any better when they are drunk, so having sex with a drunk person should be illegal.
If the difference between rape and not-rape is choosing to impair your own judgement it is obviously in the self-interest of the sex-seeker to impair their own judgement.
The sex seeker wouldn't impair their own judgement because nobody would want to have sex with them.
If you applied it to drunk driving, it would be better to be drunk and hit someone than to be sober because the sober driver is a murderer and the drunk driver is blameless. This obviously doesn't work out too well and that is why it is not policy.
If you applied a similar situation to car accidents, an adult with a license driving a car would be viewed as worse than a child with no license driving a car. I don't agree with this statement, but it's the same logic. When your drunk, you deserve the same rights as a child.
Your theory has another inconsistency:Sober adult + sober adult = not rapeSober adult + drunk adult = rapedrunk adult + drunk adult = not rapechild + child = not rapechild + sober adult = rapechild + drunk adult = ?In your simplistic and flawed theory drunk people are incapable of consent as are children, If we replace every "child" and "drunk adult" with "misinformed" and every "sober adult" with "informed" we get:informed + informed = not rapeinformed + misinformed = rapemisinformed + misinformed = not rapemisinformed + misinformed = not rapemisinformed + informed = rapemisinformed + misinformed = ?
I wouldn't group children in the same category of misinformed as drunk adults because the drunk adults still have some level of sexual awareness at least in terms of sex (just not enough to give consent). In my book, child + drunk adult = rape (drunk adult is the rapist).
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@Reece101
What if the guy takes the condom off because of reasons ranging from it feels better, to him wanting to get her pregnant, and the teenager or woman didn’t know? Would you consider that rape too?
Stealthing is as bad as rape and the guy that did it should be killed.
Also how would courts definitively decide who’s telling the truth?
Lawyers went to law school to figure out who's guilty and who isn't.
Are you against the morning after pill?
No.
You’ll be condemning many women to death regardless. Women will seek abortion either way.
I said a proportional penalty is needed for abortion, and the man would pay it because it's his fault the woman is pregnant. The penalty can be death or loss of kidney(to save another life) and sterilization (to prevent another abortion from happening). It also can be giving blood to save someone else's life. A proportional penalty for abortion doesn't have to be death.
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My reason for supporting the death penalty for the crimes of murder and rape are the following:
1) I support eye for an eye. Not everyone supports eye for an eye and this is fine, but I support eye for an eye as my reason to support the death penalty for murder.
2) I'm fiscally conservative. Murderers and rapists cost taxpayers too much money. Usually, the most popular alternatives to these crimes is life in jail (with a small portion of people advocating for rehab for the murderers and a larger advocating this for rapists) but this still calls for jail for a certain amount of time and that is an expense I don't feel conferrable forcing the rape and murder victims to pay.
America (like most of the small dick west) treats their murderers and their child rapists better than the homeless. If your homeless, you have no home. You often have no reliable food source. You can murder someone or rape someone, get life in jail, and then force the victims of the crime to spend their tax dollars on keeping you alive. This is crazy and not something I can support.
Now the death penalty is more expensive than life in jail because of trials
The solution to this isn't to abolish the death penalty, but to make the process cheaper and quicker. If your convicted guilty of murder or rape, you have 1 hour left to live and after that, the state executes you (not by lethal injection, it's too expensive). If a murderer murders:
Up to 1 person: Death by firing squad.
2 people: Death by electric chair.
3 people: Death by guillotine.
4+ people: Death by hanging.
Multiply these numbers by 2.5 and the same penalty is applied to rapists.
We will make more mistakes, but the amount of money saved is a legitimate trade off to saving lives as what precedence indicates.
If you ask the typical person,
Are you willing to spend $1/day to save the life of a starving foreigner?
Most people would answer no since sponsoring children is done by a minority of Americans.
Life in jail for 25 inmates (because only 1/25 inmates are innocent) costs about $100 million.
If society is unwilling to spend $1/day to save the life of a child in poverty, why is society willing to spend $100 million on saving the life of a falsely convicted murderer or rapist (if they are innocent)?
Our murderers and rapists are treated better than poor foreign children and that isn't something I support.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So you're just saying the default is responsibility
If you have sex, the default is responsibility. If you sell your sperm, nobody should be expecting you to take care of the kid that comes from it.
but you could also simply declare that you had no responsibility and proceed to donate sperm in such a way as to terminate your virginity.
Donating your sperm doesn't cause you to lose your virginity anymore than jerking off does. Having sex is what causes you to lose your virginity. If you sell your sperm, the sperm is someone else's responsibility now, not yours.
They do don't they, but there is no moral case for future crime. If the crime is murdering a baby; that is what can be punished. All actions risking that will be discouraged by that punishment.
A drunk person is like a child; they can't consent to sex. If 2 10 year olds had sex together, you don't punish them, but you tell them not to do it again. If 2 drunk people are having sex, you are supposed to prevent them from having sex (and it's more dangerous when drunk people have sex because of pregnancy and birth control isn't always taken, plus the birth control might mix with the alcohoul in a bad way). If a sober person has sex with a drunk person or an adult has sex with a 10 year old, the sober person and the adult are rapists and they need to be killed for the rape.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I think the bible says that those that go to shoel will eventually go to hell(Revelation 20:13-14 - The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and d... (biblestudytools.com)).
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@Reece101
Birth control should be free and abortion should be banned and punishable by a proportional method. I'd prefer it if it wasn't death, I think that's too authoritarian given the frequency of abortion. But a proportional penalty is needed for abortion.
An exception is rape (because if I hypothetically got raped by a female, I wouldn't want to pay child support). Similarly, if a female gets raped, she should be allowed an abortion and the man that raped her should get the death penalty.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm liking this conversation though. It causes me to think.
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