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@fauxlaw
From that logic, I could just say that the muscles push out the infant, just like mature teeth do baby teeth.
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@fauxlaw
Um.... they still fall out - you can pull your semantics games all you want - but they do fall out, it seems your objections are quite pedantic. They are all things that fall out and are considered part of your body.
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@n8nrgmi
It's good research (though your use of news sources is... questionable), but I would recommend a more structured and more obviously substantiated post. People like to deny arguments by all avenues, making your post needlessly hard to read just gives them another excuse
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Um... no - they can simply have that prior account deleted.. happens all the time - furthermore - Nope - teachers make students use cites (and make accounts anonymously) ALL THE TIME. And you wouldn't really know, seeing as you aren't actually iN school - even if it didn't happen, its a thing that SHOULD happen, and it would completely negate your argument that its "revealing their inner secrets"....um... so they can just.. not debate anything about that? Like - again - you're making it out and assuming the worst case scenario, when that is all it is - the worst case scenario. Your argument is absurd on its face.
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@fauxlaw
Mmm - let's completely grant that- teeth then? Hair? Skin? There are so many other examples I could list 'em for a bit - but here I am grandstanding that argument - and yet the examples do not diminish.
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um.... so they talk about stuff? Sure - then they could just keep their accounts anonymous, teachers do that all the time - its not that difficult - or- they can just make a new, anonymous account outside of the classroom- it really just takes elementary planning - which further assumes that everyone WANTS that privacy
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@fauxlaw
A non-sequitur, appeal to nature fallacy, and that's also patently wrong - choosing to have sex is not choosing to have a child bud, finally.... um is your argument that the heart isn't apart of someone's body cause it be distinguished and fall from the body... ya know, if you cut the connectors (kinda like you have to do with infants.. hmmm).
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@badger
Your joke is super great. Good job.
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@oromagi
Eh - yeah - at least two of those things are constitutional rights: Life and Liberty - also yes- I do think we should get rid of the second amendment, its stupid - through and through.
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@fauxlaw
Furthermore, regardless of if the mother had taken contraceptives - as others have said - cutting off life support for people is entirely allowed.... and legal - see the thing here is that the life support machine, is somebodies body - you do not have a right to use someone's body as a life support machine. Sorry bud. Furthermore, and I say this again, fetus's don't have personhood.
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@Bones
False equivocations much - we're talking about whether or not that mother consented to having a child - the situation of ALLOWING your child into the woods is an entirely different sort of action.
Let's do a much more sound (and simple) syllogism
P1: If you support women not being able to abort fetuses that they obtained without their consent, then you support rape victims having to keep the fetus
P2: You support the former notion
CON: You therefore support the latter notion
Very simple, if p, then q; p; therefore q.
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@fauxlaw
Let's grant the argument that someone is fully aware that even with a condom their is about a 15% that they can get pregnant (this is the high end by the way), do you also believe that someone getting rear-ended in an intersection is at fault because they went on the road? Surely not - by getting on the road you don't "consent to getting into a crash" you consent to going somewhere, doing everything you can (i.e. following traffic laws) to not get into a wreck. The same thing is applicable in regards to having sex, you having sex is not consent to having a child - that is an entirely different thing - no - you consented to having sex to feel good - doing everything you can to avoid having a child. The situations are analgous.
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@Fruit_Inspector
No - because the "biblical definition of good" is just "do as god says, not as he does" which is equivalent to a jackass dad who never comes home saying the same thing.
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What... that assumes that these people already have accounts? They could just use the accounts they have, or get a main one, I am legitmately confused about what the hell you're talking about
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@Tarik
I was doing this thing called adding nuance that you missed.
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@Tarik
Because that's the only field that "well-being" doesn't have a consensus agreed-upon definition. It's a rather simple thing.Because if you look up well-being in any dictionary that isn't medical, ya know what you'll get? Agreed-upon definitions.
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@fauxlaw
As I said, I think it would be really neat to have more classes have free reign here- it certainly helped me develop more skills in regards to thinking, reading studies, interpreting evidence, all that stuff.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Um... contributing to net well-being? I mean, that's a fairly easy question - and it has more to do with mental well-being than physical - but let's keep it simple: If a person intends to do something good and then does that good thing, you have a good intention and then a good outcome, okay, that's cool - but you can also have someone who intends to do something bad, but then does a good thing. Some would argue that their is no distinction between the two - but I would argue that the distinction is the intention - if Hitler were to save a thousand puppies, for example, would that be different from like, some good dude saving those thousand puppies.
Yes, but only for the individual - because you can be a "bad" person overall and still do good things (same thing vica versa) - so for someone who intends bad doing good can have negative outcome (it could make them more sure that what they were intending to do is the right thing to do, while in reality it was very possibly just a coincidence) or it can be a good thing (it could encourage that person to do more good things, and doing more good things will eventually affect your intetnsions.)
SO, intention affects YOUR well-being, while that is small, it is indeed well-being as well.
And well-being is really easily defined, Tarik can larp all he wants, we have a definition we can use - and one I use specifically, the fact that medical professionals can't come up with a specific definition is fine, cause we're not using the definition medically, much more philosophically, and in general.
Well-being it just to generally benefit your mental and physical state.
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@janesix
Experiences, the particular way your brain is composed, certain thresholds of biological life, the advantages of specific aspects of things - specific inclinations towards one advantage or another.
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@Sum1hugme
Again - I'm using it in a way a lot of people do - I've already explained why - because guess what : words change, but more than that- no - it is not "fundamentally different" it is merely changing what was already there- adding onto it. And yes- because not doing something good is different from doing something bad - you want to strip that naunce, too bad, its there.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Intent matters because that also contributes to the level of well-being - overall - intent does have a place in morals - but its more for classification than what you ought to do.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I think it is one of the definitions that are applicable - but I think that applying that definition of ought to every instance of ought is bullshit. It strips nuance.
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@Fruit_Inspector
No
"Pragmatism is a philosophical movement that includes those who claim that an ideology or proposition is true if it works satisfactorily, that the meaning of a proposition is to be found in the practical consequences of accepting it, and that unpractical ideas are to be rejected. "
If you think that "a net increase to well-being" is pragmatism, you don't know what pragmatism is.
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@Username
Begging the question and a god of the gaps - there is no evidence of such a thing, in fact, there is no evidence that such a "higher level of logic" even exists.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Well I subscribe to their being two - though I try to separate 'em as much as I can.
One is how SUm1hugme thinks of it - the You are morally obligated to do x - the other is the pragmatic one - you should do x, but not doing x is not necessarily wrong
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@fauxlaw
When it comes to magnets, opposites attract. This fact means that the north end of a magnet in a compass is attracted to the south magnetic pole, which lies close to the geographic north pole. Magnetic field lines outside of a permanent magnet always run from the north magnetic pole to the south magnetic pole.
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@Username
Just curious on some context - what exactly is the conflict that directly started the conversation.
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@Username
+Admittedly, I know very little about this conflict- only the scant articles and arguments about it. My perspective - both need to cease hostilities; however, certainly, Iseral should stop abusing Palestines - and they shouldn't have to be annexed to get that- that's a basic expectation. That's about it though - as I said - I have barely any knowledge here.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Go ahead, lol - I just thought it was interesting.
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@Sum1hugme
It would be interesting - I think a lot of kids in school would benefit from engaging in some serious debate, reading the debates, the forum section - it would be good I think.
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Just an observation - um - interesting I suppose. What do you guys think?
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@fauxlaw
Eh.... it does, but they are still roughly opposite - yes they do change (but do understand I was talking simplistically and not comprehensively) but they are typically fairly opposite.
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@Reece101
Dude - I explained about magnets to you - now please explain how I "added nothing" - cause right now you just seem like a pedantic jerk.
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@Reece101
What're talking about? I did add somethin' - just cuz its not what you want doesn't mean its nothing.
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@Reece101
dude - I was talking about geographic north - if you wanted to know why a magnet has specific poles why don't you just ask? So- magnetic fields emit off of magnets in a way that never cross, while also looping to both sides - so it forms a kinda circle around the magnet - you see- this current comes out of the north pole and into the south pole (thats the very very basic explanation) - and that's why south is called south specifically and north is called north specifically. Now - why they decided for south to be the bit that ferromangetic things are attracted to? You got me - that's like asking why they called desks desks, they just did.
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@Reece101
The people who made the compass - ya' know them? they arbitrarily decided - cause ta know that geographic north and the geomagnetic pole north are in opposite directions right? Like ferromagnetic stuff will point to the south pole, not the north pole of a magnet - if you don't believe me test it out with a magnet.
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@Bones
Personally, I think it's a great idea - it is a really good processor, better than most I've seen.
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@Sum1hugme
You did not touch the fact that you misrepresented the definition of ought in this regard - and I don't intend to waste my time with these huge back and forths - I refuse to continue with the shotgunning. Please choose a point and we can start there.
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@coal
Hormone treatment is not recommended for prepubertal gender-dysphoric/gender-incongruent persons. Those clinicians who recommend gender-affirming endocrine treatments—appropriately trained diagnosing clinicians (required), a mental health provider for adolescents (required) and mental health professional for adults (recommended)—should be knowledgeable about the diagnostic criteria and criteria for gender-affirming treatment, have sufficient training and experience in assessing psychopathology, and be willing to participate in the ongoing care throughout the endocrine transition. We recommend treating gender-dysphoric/gender-incongruent adolescents who have entered puberty at Tanner Stage G2/B2 by suppression with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists. Clinicians may add gender-affirming hormones after a multidisciplinary team has confirmed the persistence of gender dysphoria/gender incongruence and sufficient mental capacity to give informed consent to this partially irreversible treatment. Most adolescents have this capacity by age 16 years old. We recognize that there may be compelling reasons to initiate sex hormone treatment prior to age 16 years, although there is minimal published experience treating prior to 13.5 to 14 years of age. For the care of peripubertal youths and older adolescents, we recommend that an expert multidisciplinary team comprised of medical professionals and mental health professionals manage this treatment.
You're bullshit! I'm sorry what?! Excuse me sir, you have completely read this study wrong if that was your takeaway - lemme tell ya' something genius - these are not JUST trans people. I don't have the time right now, but if this is the type of dishonesty I can expect from you on every one of those studies then I might not bother!
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@ILikePie5
I mean, they're eh - haven't eaten there in a while - I try to avoid fast food if I can help it. From what I remember they had decent tasting food, haven't looked into their produce chain to much though, maybe I should.
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RMM
Yeeaaah - a big problem with cops in the first place is how privatized they already are - are at least how they are practically speaking. I mean - the lobbying in the US is gross.
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@TheUnderdog
Um... no - that's certainly not what happened to corporations, furthermore, a lot of people are OKAY with police murdering people - see the fallout of millions saying: "George Floyd wasn't murdered" after he was obviously murdered in public, further furthermore - privatizing police in the past (a.k.a lobbying from corporations) has let so many of illegal and corrupt businesses continue.
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@coal
Did you know that big foot, alien abductions and all sorts of other conspiracy theorists are also in confirmation with medical experts? The lack of A) even listing those experts, and B) any research into their claims is what caused conspiracy theories to go off the rail. THere's a reason that in terms of evidence, a testimony from an expert isn't worth as much as a peer-reviewed paper.
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@coal
Um... but-is the paper peer reviewed? Does it have an official methodology? Is the sample biased? No - I'm sorry but an unsourced "consensus" isn't near good enough evidence of anything.
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@thett3
Oh - hm - in the same regard as that debate my opponent forfeited?
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@coal
Looking into it... this seems to be a book written in 2019? Do you have any peer-reviewed sources?
(Title partially stolen from another work published in 1999 by an author called Charlie Mackay)
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@coal
So... just link it? I've never heard of that before, nor have I ever investigated anyone even vaguely of that name.
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