Tradesecret

The stolen body hypothesis posits that the body of Jesus Christ was stolen from his burial place. His tomb was found empty not because he was resurrected, but because the body had been hidden somewhere else by the apostles or unknown persons. Both the stolen body hypothesis and the debate over it presume the basic historicity of the gospel accounts of the tomb discovery. The stolen body hypothesis finds the idea that the body was not in the tomb plausible – such a claim could be checked if early Christians made it – but considers it more likely that early Christians had been misled into believing the resurrection by the theft of Jesus's body.

iss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

I am following Jesus’ inspired words in CORRECTING YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY once again:  ”As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.” (Timothy 5:20)

YOUR QUOTE IN POST #55 THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE VERSES THAT I HAD SHOWN, LOL: "good verses to focus on. Question though. Who is Jesus talking to? And in what time is he talking about?"

Well, let's address your Bible stupidity again, Jesus was only talking to His creation, the JEWS, since He ONLY came for the Jews (Matthew 15:24), get it Bible fool?  In what time He was talking about had  to be when He started teaching which was about 30 years old (Luke 3:23), therefore, since Jesus was approximately born in 4BC, that would make Him 30 years old which was the time He stated the passages shown above that you had no idea existed in the first place, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you ignorantly did in your Bible ignorant post #55! H-E-L-L-O? LOL!

It matters not for the rest of your Bible ignorant post #55, because the FACT remains, ONLY A FEW OUT OF MANY of Jesus' Jewish creation will see heaven as I proposed at your expense. Furthermore, since you are a 2nd class WOMAN, you will never see heaven because there will be no women in heaven to begin with, PERIOD!   

Miss Tradesecret, furthermore, QUIT STALKING ME whenever I easily correct your outright Bible stupidity, where you in return STALK ME in your vain attempt to "try" and get out of you being Bible Slapped Silly®️ by me regarding your Bible ignorance and stupidity as shown in this post, and in this thread alone!  DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT OUTRIGHT "LIES" IN SAYING COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WILL BE HEAVEN BOUND IN "CONTRADICTING" JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS WHICH SAY ONLY A "FEW" WILL ATTAIN HEAVEN, WILL BE ...?

and not asking personal ones [questions].

 I think the only single personal question I have asked you is whether or not you spoke Russian too?  Unless you can show different

Any of your own personal information has been given to this forum on the www of your own free will.   Your most recent offering concerned your "mentor in Moscow". #311

 The only way for the forum to know you have stopped stalking is if you actually start asking and answering REAL theological and religious Questions 

 Just recently I asked you a theological question based on what you told us your "mentor in Moscow" had disclosed to you;

Tradesecret wrote:  I have seen many people attempt to locate it [the Garden Of Eden] and honesty none have been very convincing. 

So what evidence did your "Eastern Orthodox Academic in Moscow mentor" tell you that caused you to believe his account? What was the material he provided that convinced you he was correct as to the location of The Eden and all other scholars and arachnologist were wrong?

This was your response;

#314

That is for me Stephen. You are not my student.

So why do you not " actually start and answering REAL theological and religious Questions"   you hypocrite?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR LYING QUOTE IN YOUR POST #39 TO UNDERDOG: "That's correct. It indicates that so many people go to heaven that their number can't be counted. It never says anything like this for the people who end up judged. So at least I have a figure. You are just pulling an idea out of their air."

WRONG AGAIN Miss Tradesecret, what's new, NOTHING! There are NOT so many people going to heaven like you stated, especially where they cannot be counted, and where you have a figure, which you do not! LOL!  You're funny. :)

Jesus stated: "Many are called, but few are chosen.” (Matthew 22:14)

Jesus stated: "Someone asked Jesus Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And he said to them, “strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able." (Luke 13:23 )

Jesus stated:  “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." (Matthew 7:13-14)

Miss Tradesecret, as you stated before that I am allegedly stalking you, this is not true because of the simple fact that you are so biblically ignorant and stupid, that I have to continually correct you as Jesus would want me to do in His name, whereas this to you is stalking! NOT!

The only way that you will not be continually corrected by me and the membership in allegedly stalking you, is for you to not be so Bible dumbfounded as I have shown you to be above, and elsewhere within this Religion forum, get it?!  Since that is absolutely impossible for you to do, then expect further corrections to your outright in being the #1 Bible stupid and ignorant fool in this forum!

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT IS DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE, WILL BE ...?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR RUNAWAY FROM YOUR EMBARRASSING GENDER AS A WOMAN IN YOUR FEEBLE POST #330!: "As I said above my dear ignorant fake creepy stalker,  my profile is none of your business. And it is all of mine. I can change it at my discretion - especially if I believe that creepy old white men like you and Stephen will attempt to stalk me and use it for whatever "sick" reason you can think of."

Miss Tradesecret, as you stated before that I am allegedly stalking you, this is not true because of the simple fact that you are so biblically ignorant and stupid, that I have to continually correct you as Jesus would want me to do in His name, whereas this to you is stalking! NOT! Your profile page is Jesus' and my business because you as a woman go directly against Jesus in 1 Timothy 2:12, AGAIN!!!

The only way that you will not be continually corrected by me and the membership in allegedly stalking you, is for you to not be so Bible dumbfounded as I have shown you to be above, and elsewhere within this Religion forum, understood?!   Since that is absolutely impossible for you to do, then expect further corrections to your outright Bible stupidity and ignorance within this forum! Simple math at your expense. 

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT USES "CHILD LIKE LAME EXCUSES" LIKE MISS TRADESECRET DOES TO RUN AWAY FROM BIBLICAL AXIOMS, WILL BE ...?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR QUOTE TO STEPHEN THAT COMES BACK TO BITE YOU, LOL!:  "Stephen,  do you think I am Ethang? LOL @ you. What if I am? Prove it. You are so lame. Let's say for the sake of your own speculations it is true.  How are you going to prove such a thing? I'm not by the way."

Dear, dear, Miss Tradesecret, who removes one foot to insert the other, your statement to Stephen in where you want him to PROVE that you may be the equally Bible dumbfounded and stupid Ethang5, is equal to the FACT that I can prove you to be a WOMAN as your profile so signifies herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy 

The above FACTS are embarrassingly barring that your profile after you were a woman first, now shows your gender to be "other," https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret and where your continuous  banter is that you are a MAN!  This revealing proposition of yours can only prelude that you had a SEX CHANGE from a woman to a man which is ungodly as Jesus so states: "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them;  male and female he created them."

Therefore, as Biblically shown above, do you actually think that you can show yourself as an ungodly TRANSGENDER person when Jesus created you as an image of Himself, male and female he created them? NOT!  As if this isn't embarrassing enough for Jesus as He watches you (Hebrews 4:13), you slap Him in the face by obviously not accepting His chosen gender as a female for you at birth! BLASPHEME!

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT HAD AN UNGODLY SEX CHANGE IN GOING AGAINST JESUS IN GIVING YOU THE WOMAN GENDER AT BIRTH, WILL BE ...?

Nope. It shows you to be the contradictory, self aggrandising, narcissistic, compulsive lying bible dunce that you truly are. Reverend Munchausen.

And when or If you keep giving me genuine cause to remind you of what you are;  I will, at every opportunity. So, keep em'coming. 

You are just a glutton for punishment aren't you Reverend Munchausen.

I'm really NOT sure what your problem is.

I have never understood why after me only being here for just a few weeks you decided I was "the slime of Satan, disgusting and ugly#24 and dumb as fuck#161", either.

  I was taught to memorize the Bible from a young age. 

Yes you have told us enough times. But you must have forgotten that you had.

I started to learn different languages in school - French, German, etc and then NT Greek.  After school I attended at seminary where I studied OT Hebrew and Aramaic and NT Greek.  

French too!  That's a new addition to your ever increasing foreign language tool box. This comes  on top of your recently disclosed  capabilities to " conduct and prosecute court cases in the Bengali language of   Bangladesh".  

As for knowing my bible frontwards and backwards, so what? Many people do. It doesn't mean that I can remember every verse.

You see this is where your bullshit fails you and often.  If I was to make the claim that "was taught to memorise the bible from an early age and I knew the bible backwards" as you have often done Here> #52 here> #190 & here>#191, I would, at the very least, be able to recall a verse when prompted.  You on the other hand fail this simple memory recall and often. Would you like an example? Do you remember forgetting that "Lot was righteous in the eyes of god, do you remember that  you said:

Tradesecret wrote: I can't seem to recall anywhere in the Bible  where Lot was ever held up as a paragon of virtue or righteousness. Can you[Stephen] think of anywhere in the Scriptures where Lot is help up as being a model for Jews or for Christians? I can't and I would never hold him up as so. #4

THIS ^^^^^^^^  from the man the makes all those claims about his wonderful amazing memory. The whole of that thread and conversation was about LOT, and should have been enough to prompt your amazing memory.

  But who was it that had to remind you what Lot's standing was in the eyes of god? LOT, one of the most famous biblical characters in the whole of the Old Testament and that children never forget once they hear the story of the total destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah! LOT who's was the only family was saved BY GOD from the total annihilation?  Well it was me , wasn't it you bible dunce; HERE>>

Stephen wrote: 2 Peter 2:7 "and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" . 

You see Reverend Munchausen, this is where your memory should never had failed you. Especially after the very clear prompt that should have served your memory well. But failed you and miserably. 

There are a lot of verses and ideas in the bible.  It doesn't mean literally that I can say it from my memory.

But you should be able to when give such blatant prompts as shown in my example above.

  You are a bible illiterate dunce. And you have shown to be so on a regular basis. Recently you told us that "god doesn't order the killing of anyone#306". That is a profound claim for one of your claimed academic standing and status to make about the bible. But who was it that had to remind you again that god does in fact tell others to kill others and often? Well it was me again wasn't it , you bible dunce

Then there is another recent claim of you telling us that "god has no favourite" #39?  Again, your amazing and extraordinary memory of the bible let you down once more didn't it. Who was it that had to show you how wrong again you were, well, Reverend Munchausen, it was me ... again.

But it means I have a pretty good gist of the narrative and where things are and how to find them.  I do read my NT twice every year. I do read my OT once every year.  So what? 

Even more reason to have a better recall than most people. THAT'S WHAT, you bible dunce.

I never said a Russian gave me information about The Garden of Eden.

 Neither did I . I asked you if you spoke Russian.

I said a Greek Orthodox academic in Moscow did. 

Nope you didn't , you didn't mention the word Greek. stop trying to backpedal. This is what you wrote, exactly:

Tradesecret wrote: Nevertheless, there was an Eastern Orthodox Academic in Moscow - (one of my mentors)#311

And you mentioned "Moscow". And there are RUSSIAN orthodox academics too. But you didn't think of that did you, thicky?

  I never said I knew Russian. 

And neither did I. That is why I asked you if you did HERE>>#313

You just a  little middle aged white man -

 That won't be the first time that I have been called EXACTLY that on this forum. And it was by your other persona, Ethang5.. Your mask is slipping Reverend Munchausen.

Stephen I NEVER said I have memorized the whole bible.   And you can't produce any thing else.

 Oh FFS stop with your bullshite. 

 It is clear in the extreme that you have claimed to know the bible "backwards and forwards in many languages from a very young age". NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU ATTEMPT TO SCRABBLE FOR A GET OUT AND PACKPEDAL ON SUCH  RIDICLOUSE AND ASTOUNDING CLAIMS THAT YOU HAVE MADE.

HERE>  This is what you have claimed, you bible dunce:

[A]

Tradesecret wrote:"I have been taught to memorise the bible from very young. I have read the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and the NT twice a year. "#52

 So your attempts to play on words doesn't work.

You then  pressed home YOUR point of  YOUR amazing memory of the bible by adding this:

HERE> 

[B]

Tradesecret wrote: I know my bible backwards.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1347-another-classic-intercessory-prayer-and-efficacy?page=8&post_number=190

While further adding:

HERE> 

[C]

Tradesecret wrote: I  know the bible backwards - and frontwards - in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic 

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1347-another-classic-intercessory-prayer-and-efficacy?page=8&post_number=191

"backwards!" ?  That takes a special and extraordinary memory  in anyone's book.

The fkn truth is that you do not know the bible AT ALL!   I truly feel for those poor students of yours that you have the audacity to charge(rob) their Universities to lecture them on all things theological.

Tradesecret wrote:   No, I don't charge students,  I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them.  #20

The Brother asked me a question. I gave my opinion - which I based on some material that someone provided. 

Who, your imaginary "Russian Academic mentor"?  What was the material he provided that convinced you he was correct as to the location of The Eden and all other scholars and arachnologist were wrong?

MY best bet for the location of the Garden of Eden is the Ukraine - around the Black Sea.

So for all of your years of being "tutored under all of those biblical scholars and church fathers" they didn't tell you that, for few centuries now, The Eden has  been accepted to have been located in Iraq, once known as Mesopotamia,(the land between two rivers) and the birth place of civilisation according to scholars? Or has your extraordinary  power memory let you down again?

Tradesecret wrote:"I have been taught to memorise the bible from very young. I have read the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and the NT twice a year. "#52

the flood 

It was a localised flood-as devastating as it was. You need to read your bible more often than the three times a year that you tell us that you do.

Tradesecret wrote:"I have been taught to memorise the bible from very young. I have read the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and the NT twice a year. "#52.....I  know the bible backwards - and frontwards - in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic 

Nevertheless, there was an Eastern Orthodox Academic in Moscow - (one of my mentors)

🤣🤣🤣 Speak Russian now do you or are you really Russian?  You just cannot help yourself can you Reverend Munchausen.🤣🤣🤣

I have seen many people attempt to locate it and honesty none have been very convincing.

So what evidence did your "Eastern Orthodox Academic in Moscow mentor" tell you that caused you to believe his account?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR LYING QUOTE THAT YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN AGAIN IN POST #306!!!:   "I tell you what Brother - I am not a woman"

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, STOP!!!  GOD DAMN IT, STOP!

1. Your profile page was first shown as you being a WOMAN herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy

2. The actual FACT that you identified yourself as a WOMAN FIRST as you said in this  post herewith: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7337/post-links/319346 

3. The mere FACT that you comically now say your gender is "other" in your recent update of your ever so weak profile still digresses to you being a WOMAN, unless you had an ungodly sex change! https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret 

4.  You substantiate yourself in being a WOMAN in your removal of an image that you had before as a MALE,  giving credence of you being the only thing left which is you being a WOMAN!  Dear, which pictured woman on your NEW moniker is you? LOL

Miss Tradesecret, Jesus and I are truly sorry that your inept mental capacity doesn't comprehend that you cannot remove your ungodly womanly status, no matter how much you throw your girly toys around the room, and hold your breath, because of the FACT that you are logically a woman as shown above, understood Bible fool?!  ENOUGH of your cry-baby tactics!

NEXT 2ND CLASS PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET IN DENYING THEIR GENDER AS SHOWN IN BEING A WOMAN, WILL BE...?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR ONCE AGAIN DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE QUOTE IN POST #305:  “Surely you can read. Go and read it yourself.  Genesis 2.  What is the purpose of the Garden of Eden if the earth is a perfectly suitable place for humanity? It is God's home on earth.  … Where did Jesus tell the thief he was going to meet him after he died? In Paradise. What is the Garden of Paradise? Heaven.” 

ROFLOL!!!!!!!! OMG, Miss Tradesecret, you did it again in making the forum laugh loudly at your perceived knowledge of allegedly the Garden of Eden is Heaven!!!  LOL!!!!  Seriously, you should be a comedy writer for Saturday Night Live here in the USA! 

If your Bible stupidity says that Eden was Heaven, then where were the other "heavens" located as Genesis 2:1 specifically states?  “Thus the heavenS and the earth were completed in all their vast array.” (Genesis 2:1). BEGIN:

YOUR QUOTE OF LAUGHTER ONCE AGAIN OF WHERE THE GARDEN OF EDEN IS LOCATED NOW: "I put it somewhere in Ukraine.  Perhaps that is why Putin wants Ukraine."

STOP IT, PLEASE, STOP, please understand that we can only take so much comedy laughter from your complete Bible Stupidity at one time, okay? No one knows where the Garden of Eden is located on earth, NO ONE!  This is includes searching the headwater area of the 4 rivers, where Eden was allegedly located nearby in Genesis 2!  

Let Jesus and I address your outright Bible stupidity AGAIN herewith upon where heaven is ACTUALLY located:

The location of heaven mentioned in the Bible IS ABOVE! When the people built the tower of Babel, Jesus said, "Let us go down" (Gen. 11:7). After our serial killer Jesus spoke to Abraham, "he left off talking with him, and Jesus went up from Abraham" (Gen. 17:22). Jesus said to Moses, "And I am come down to deliver them..." (Exodus. 3:8). David in praising Jesus said, "He bowed the heavens down, and descended" (Psalm . 18:9). Isaiah’s prayer said, "Oh that You would rend the heavens, that You would come down..." (Isa. 64:1). The Lord Jesus Himself said, "And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven" (John 3:13), "for I have come down from heaven" (6:38, 42).

When the Lord Jesus ascended, the Bible says, "A cloud took Him away....And while they were looking intently into heaven as He went..." (Acts 1:9-10). Stephen, when he was about to die, saw the Son of Man standing to welcome the first martyred servant. He "looked up steadfastly into heaven" (7:55 KJV) and saw the Lord Jesus. The apostle John saw a door opened in heaven, and he heard the voice like a trumpet speaking with him, saying, "Come up here" (Rev. 4:1). When the Lord descends from heaven, all those believers who love Him "will be caught up together with them...to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thes. 4:17).

There are many more verses that can be quoted, but these few are enough to prove your ungodly stupidity of the Bible where you comically say Jesus' heaven is earth bound, NOT! LOL!

Miss Tradesecret, heaven is ABOVE, and not land based upon earth as you DECEIVINGLY want others to accept, understood Bible ignorant and stupid fool!  Yeah, you do at your embarrassing expense once AGAIN!  LOL

NEXT TOTALLY BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET IN LYING WHERE HEAVEN IS LOCATED WILL BE …?

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

1.  “And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” (Jeremiah 19:9)

YOUR OUTRIGHT DECEIVING QUOTE #285 TO JESUS MAKING HIS CREATION EAT THEIR CHILDREN SHOWN ABOVE!!!: "When people choose to be evil - you know - things like eating their own children ...."

Your deceiving and conniving 2nd class woman in LYING towards Jeremiah 19:9 in that it was JESUS that caused them to eat their children, and not the people in question like you stated!  You are a sickening LIAR!!!

2.  “And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.” (Exodus 12:29)

YOUR QUOTE TO THE ABOVE WHERE JESUS KILLED INNOCENT CHILDREN OF THE FIRST BORN, EVEN OF CATTLE!!!: "Yet God did exactly what he said he would do. He delivered his people from slavery. And whatever happened to the Egyptians is on the king's head - not on God or Israel. "

Barring the FACT that Jesus is a serial killer, because the end result is Jesus KILLED the innocent first born, Jesus has many powers as being our Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate (2 Peter 1:3), therefore He could have accomplished taking His Jewish creation away from Herod in another peaceful way, but He didn't because Jesus loves to be a brutal KILLER as shown throughout our Bible, period!  

3. “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.”  Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. (Isaiah 13:15-16,18)

YOUR DISGUSTING QUOTE TO THE ABOVE JESUS' KILLING NATURE OF INNOCENT CHILDREN IN HAVING THEM DASHED TO PIECES!!!: The third passage doesn't mention innocent children. You might mention it because you want to believe that children are innocent. That however is an assumption."

Miss Tradesecret, tell the membership in how a child that knows not from their parents Jesus' killing revenge is not innocent, and a zygote or fetus of a pregnant woman is not being innocent when Jesus commanded the BRUTAL murder of this life within the womb and  children as shown in the passage above!  

Besides, you conveniently forgot to answer my simple question herewith: "have you ever wondered in what an innocent child sounds like when Jesus says they are to be DASHED to pieces? Maybe it is like a watermelon being thrown upon a large rock in a SQUISH THUMP sound? Yes? What is your opinion in how this sounds? Dear, are you once again too SCARED to address Jesus' outcomes in killing His creation? LOL!

FIRSTLY; show the membership in the JUDEO-Christian Bible where it says that the Garden of Eden is "HEAVEN"as you comically propose!  BEGIN:

SECONDLY;  where is the Garden of Eden located today since it existed in the first place?  BEGIN:

THIRDLY;  yes, the woman was in the Garden of Eden, BUT, it was an afterthought of Jesus to put her there, remember Bible fool?  Jesus created animals first as a helpmate to Adam (Genesis 2: 18-19). Subsequently, Jesus saw that a helpmate for Adam was not found in animals, therefore, Jesus put Adam in a deep sleep and took one of His ribs and then created woman for a helpmate! (Genesis 2:20-21) When Jesus performed this act for a help mate for Adam,  this is the beginning of the woman being second class to man, as if Eve as a woman creating the "Original Sin" wasn't bad enough!  

See [ A ] & [B] above.

Compulsive lying narcissist have no conscience and care not if the lie is believed or not, Brother D.

I have said many times: To People with narcissistic personality problems the believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count with the narcissist is whether his tall tales about himself helps him rebuild the façade of his greatness while struggling to be relevant. #186

That's not very helpful.  Why not try and understand the world from the position that everything is real rather than an illusion?

Because typically the word real is associated with materialism, and thinking of things in a physical fashion.

I don't understand.  Is the mind real or an illusion? How can something be both real and an illusion?  I thought that a thought was just an idea not a reality. 

That's why when talking about any concept touching on the concept of non duality, it is often better to just call things an illusion. Thoughts are real. The universe is God's thoughts.

Why would a divine want to hide any reality? I don't understand "made up of mind". And again - non-material masquerading - sounds negative and deceptive. Not positive and enlightening.  

Things being "made up of mind", is a hard concept to explain, as it is to understand. For practical purposes, living in a non physical reality does require the perception of a physical universe, so it is easy to manipulate out environment. Just Google "all is mind" or something and see if you can get a better explanation. If you don't, I will find a better way to explain it later.

In a bizarre way it sounds like you are recommending we embrace the negative to pass through the negative or illusion to get to something positive which is coming from a divine mind that is itself negative and deceptive. 

I would say embrace any pain or suffering you feel, so that way you don't repress it. Repressed negativity has a way of staying with people and feeding into more negativity. 

It's a tough concept to explain. This is why this esoteric wisdom is often given through imagery, particularly through understanding the qabbalistic tree of life. 

All is mind. This means that the world though an illusion is still real. Reality is the thoughts of God pouring out. 

It is both real and non physical. To call it an illusion is to reveal that it both hides the divine reality and that it is made up of mind. Non material, masquerading as material existence. 

I will agree it all sound very contradictory out of context, 

Of course it sounds very contradictory.  IT IS CONTRADICTORY! You are running around in circles. 

Ok. But disagree. Now what bible dunce?

I don't believe I have ever denied being an atheist.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7417/post-links/319370

And yet

"I am not an atheist"  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36386

OF course the context helps.

That's correct. Do my beliefs make me an atheist or a theist/believer? 

READ THIS AGAIN YOU CTRETIN!

  I was christened as  a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language.  But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious.  I believe the Old Testament to be an historic record of  sorts of the Israelites. I believe the Old Testamant  to be much more honest and truthful than the New Testamant.

The New Testament  to my mind is on the surface a  collection of ambiguous half stories about a man that believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had attempted to reunite the" lost" tribes of Israel  i.e. those that had fell away and of which many were now Hellenised  in attempt to free 'god's chosen people' from the Roman yoke.  He failed miserably and was put to death for crimes against Rome.

And all this has been my own personal stance from the day I came to this forum.

I have also said many times, I find it impossible to dismiss the bible and many biblical accounts out outright and out of hand, as I have attempted to put across in many of my of my threads. <<<<< CUT OUT AND KEEP.#29

Indeed  I believe that what  Christians today call god/s were very much human.  As the above explains. The ancient Mesopotamians (from where the Israelites lifted much of their history) referred to these beings only  as "lords" not gods of which there were many. You see thicko, the word god is a relatively new word in the scheme of things. 

I am an atheist although many thicko's such as your self  believe atheism is a religion on its own. 

Do my beliefs make me an atheist or a theist/believer?   Its one or the other.

Revelation 7:9

This indicates how many people go to heaven.  It does not state how many go to hell.

Nonsense.  Bootlicking is sucking up.

Like sucking up to God.

 If Hell is God's idea by the way - it is just. 

Just because someone comes up with an idea does not make it just.  Satan is also one of God's ideas.  I'm assuming you don't call Satan just.  If God does something I like, I praise him for it.  He does this with abortion, immigration, and sex and I praise him for it.  But if he does something I don't like, "like burn ANYONE in hell forever", then I'm going to criticize him for it.

There is a difference between spiritual and non-spiritual offences. The fact that you don't see sin against God as a particularly severe thing is emblematic of what you think about sin.

The only offenses that should exist are those that cause a victim.  Anything victimless ought to be legal in a free society.  Many sins are victimless (like not going to church on Sundays and using God's name in vain).

God does not punish people in Hell for rape or murder. Rape and murder are fruits of a much worse situation. Rebellion against God.  

God punishes in hell for rape and murder.  How does not going to church on Sundays lead to rape and murder 100% of the time?

 It stands to reason that an eternally perfect and just God has his own standards which are going to be very different from ours.

It's not justice to burn someone in hell forever under any circumstances.  Punishments must be proportional.  

But any offense against an infinitely powerful entity is worthy of infinite punishment.

This is false.  Biden and Trump have a lot of power.  Insulting either one of these figures should be unpunished, even if you say it to their face. Insulting God should also be unpunishable.

Bootlicking is about trying to win the superior person's gratitude.

Bootlicking is letting entities in power get away with whatever they want.

No  I did not contradict myself.  I said most people wont burn in Hell.  To contradict this - would mean that I would say that most people will burn in Hell.  I did not say that.  To claim that Hell is justified by God does not contradict that most people go to Heaven.   Do you understand logic?  

Maybe I misunderstood your argument here.

I will agree it all sound very contradictory out of context, 

I don't believe I have ever denied being an atheist.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7417/post-links/319370

"I am not an atheist"  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36386

Just when you thought Nicola (wee cranky) Sturgeon  First Minister of Scotland couldn't get more stupid and creations, she offers this to Witches from days of yore.

"Today on International Women's Day, as first minister on behalf of the Scottish government, I am choosing to acknowledge that egregious historic injustice and extend a formal posthumous apology to all of those accused, convicted, vilified or executed under the Witchcraft Act of 1563."

Nicola Sturgeon apologises to people accused of witchcraft - BBC News

So it appears that there aren't  more pressing and immediate problems for a first minister of a country to be concerned about when  the last Witch murdered in that part of Britain was over some 350 years ago. 

Will it now follow that the ancestors of Scottish Witches murdered by renown  witch-pricker John Kincaid be looking for reparations from Kincaid's descendants?

You couldn't make this bollocks up!

OUR QUOTE ABOUT THE FAMILY: “Do you deny that the family unit is valuable? Are you ever going to answer that question?”

Of course I do!  I didn’t answer at first because I didn’t want to embarrass you even further with your Satanic spin doctoring to literal passages. Since I did address your question now, then the following is brought forth herewith relative to one’s family and what JESUS SAYS to do if they try and take you away from Christianity, to wit:

JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS STATE: "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

I love Jesus as a “mans man” in the fact that we have to accept Him telling us to KILL our family members if need be, praise His ever loving and forgiving nature!

Tell us Miss Tradesecret, are the following biblical axioms “idioms,” or your laughable  “covenantal deaths” like you say other passages are at your wish, where Jesus did the following brutal and disgusting acts which are only a FEW OF MANY shown below in having INNOCENT CHILDREN KILLED IN BRUTAL WAYS?!  

“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” (Jeremiah 19:9)

“And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.” (Exodus 12:29)

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.”  Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. (Isaiah 13:15-16,18)

Miss Tradesecret, have you ever wondered in what an innocent child sounds like when Jesus says they are to be DASHED to pieces?  Maybe it is like a watermelon being thrown upon a large rock in a SQUISH THUMP sound? Yes? What is your opinion in how this sounds? BEGIN:

Miss Tradesecret,

Addressing your severely wanting post #268 AGAIN. 

Jesus’ inspired words in offspring cursing their parents are as such:  “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)

YOUR ONCE AGAIN IN REWRITING THE BIBLE RELATIVE TO JESUS’ LITERAL WORDS ABOVE: “Again you seem to be having trouble distinguishing between literal language and genre.  That's ok but you do need to go and learn the difference.  Literally an idiom.   Go and ask Jesus. He will tell you that "must surely die" in Hebrew is an idiom. Translated literally from the Hebrew it is "dying you shall die". 

Firstly and foremost, where do YOU get the authority in your Satanic gobbledygook shown above to rewrite the scriptures to your own liking and taking them away from their actual PROVISIONAL forms for the Bible times? Tell us!  BEGIN:

Once again you slap Jesus in the face when He proffered: “Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.” (2 Peter 1:20). GET IT BIBLE FOOL?

What you are essentially and Satanically saying, is that for thousands of years what Christians have read LITERALLY within the Bible is wrong!  Whereas to YOU, they need a decoder book or a crystal ball as you have shown to read the Bible correctly in your Satanic way of thinking, NOT!

NEXT BIBLE IGNORANT FOOL LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT SATANICALLY CHANGES LITERAL DISGUSTING BIBLE NARRATIVES, BUT NOT NICE LITERAL BIBLE NARRATIVES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, WILL BE ...?

YOUR MISCONSTRUED AND LYING QUOTE IN POST #268 !!!!: “Again - I am not a female. I identify as male.”

1. WRONG!, you first identified yourself as a FEMALE:  https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy 

2. Secondly, then you embarrassingly identified yourself as an “UNKNOWN!”: https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret

3. Thirdly, you now address yourself as a MALE in your quote above!  WTF? 

As shown with the above FACTS, you don’t know what the hell you are in your gender at any given time which is blaspheme to Jesus the Christ in His initial creation of you as a WOMAN first!

Uh, we all can see that you did not have the nerve to address my post listing all of your “current excuses" to RUN AWAY from questions that you cannot refute and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, nor biblical axioms as well that you have to spin doctor or re-interpret through your ungodly Devil speak in your Satanic apologetic books.

Would you like to include an excuse #11 to your ever growing list in why you RAN AWAY from your revealing excuses post by me as shown in this link: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7337-how-do-you-know-the-bible-is-true?page=11&post_number=265

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR EMBARRASSING UNINFORMED QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: “BTW - there is no such thing as a second class woman.  In fact I am not even sure what that is.”

I have already addressed this question with you before, therefore, how many times am I to take the time to do it again, and again, and again?  

LAST TIME WOMAN, MAN is first class, woMAN is second class to man as shown herewith: “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is man.” For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8)  

Now, if you are still having a hard time in understanding this biblical axiomatic verse above, I can get my 1st grader neighbor named Timmy to come over and post to you at a grade-school level to possibly help you finally comprehend this proposition, understood Bible fool?

Miss Tradesecret, seriously, just how embarrassed about your complete Bible ignorance are you willing to take within this forum?  LOL!

NEXT BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT IS CONFUSED UPON 1ST AND 2ND CLASS GENDERS WITHIN THE BIBLE WILL BE ...?

YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: “literally a vision.???? I love that Brother.  Whatever does that mean? Let's apply it to "literally a parable".  If a parable talks of killing people - does that make the person telling the parable a murderer?“

Jesus and I are truly sorry that you can’t understand such a simple proposition, but what did we expect as you being a woman!  Again, John saw a VISION (Revelation verses 1, 3, and 7) that was in heaven of a woman first, and then said women was upon earth with a dragon. John DID NOT see any woman whatsoever that is heaven full time!  Why, because as Jesus’ inspired words so state, there will NEVER be women in heaven subsequent to their demise, but only MEN!  I am sorry that your inept Bible knowledge doesn’t know of this biblical axiom, but as usual, your Bible ignorance is without bounds as I and many others have shown ad infinitum upon this Religion Forum!  

Addressing your question if a parable talks about killing people, and does that make the person telling the parable a murderer, YES, as an accomplice that aided and abetted and commanded the murder to be done, as Jesus did herewith:   “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27). Therefore today, Jesus would be charged with First Degree Felony Murder! 

I thank you for reminding us of this Jesus FACT above,  good girl Miss Tradesecret! 

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

You keep telling us that I am an Atheist, that I am a fraud, a fake Christian and such, whereas this purports that you have NEVER in your life met a TRUE Christian like myself that follows and accepts ALL of the Bible!  

It scares the bejesus out of you that anyone could actually follow the entire Bible as written, without ungodly rewriting it like you do (2 Peter 1:20), and mostly because I accept that Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate was a brutal serial killer as shown in the Old and New Testaments, so be it!

In turn, I can support my FACTS that you are still the #1 Bible stupid and ignorant runaway fool from biblical axioms within this forum!  

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN 2ND CLASS WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT HAS TO CALL ANOTHER A WRONGFUL POSITION TO HELP THEM TRY AND CHANGE COURSE TO THE DISCUSSION TO REMOVE THEIR BIBLE STUPIDITY WILL BE ...?

If I produce any evidence that you told people on this site you were a theist, You are prepared to apologize.....

 I am an atheist, you clown. I have nothing to apologise for.  I don't believe in god and I don't believe Jesus was a god. But you can make up your own mind. I personally don't care. 

Did you miss this?>>#29

Stephen wrote:  I was christened as  a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language.  But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious.  I believe the Old Testament to be an historic record of  sorts of the Israelites. I believe the Old Testamant  to be much more honest and truthful than the New Testamant.

The New Testament  to my mind is on the surface a  collection of ambiguous half stories about a man that believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had attempted to reunite the" lost" tribes of Israel  i.e. those that had fell away and of which many were now Hellenised  in attempt to free 'god's chosen people' from the Roman yoke.  He failed miserably and was put to death for crimes against Rome.

And all this has been my own personal stance from the day I came to this forum.

I have also said many times, I find it impossible to dismiss the bible and many biblical accounts out outright and out of hand, as I have attempted to put across in many of my of my threads. <<<<< CUT OUT AND KEEP.#29

"I am not an atheist , ploy. I believe , just like you, that there was more than one. I believe in gods plural as you do."  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36386

But I do believe these beings - "lords" / gods existed. So I would say that actually makes me a theist. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/927/post-links/41322

My position as many people in the church is that most people in history will end up in Heaven and that only a minority of people will end up being judged in Hell.

What biblical verse proves this?

The Book of Revelation tells us that the number of people in Heaven is number without count.

Where?  What verse?

and it was speaking in general terms to those people in Jesus' time and more or less to a time prior to the incarnation

This interpretation requires evidence.  Jesus did a lot of future predicting.

Yes, I have seen the numbers in the West suggesting christians are reducing in number. But have you seen the numbers in Africa, and China, and Asia, and South America? Exponential growth is still occurring.  

How is the popularity of christainity (which I think is decreasing) relevant to the proportion that burn in hell forever?

I think you will find that Christians generally say - that EVERYONE - christian or non-christian deserves judgment from God - for all have sinned and fallen short of his requirements. That's why Jesus is significant. Because he is the only one who did not deserve judgment because he alone did not sin.  Since Christians hold to the view that God is good and just - we take the view that since we know the punishment for our sin and do it anyway that - we have no excuse. And we have no defense.  Noone forces us to sin - we choose to do it ourselves - knowing full well it will have consequences. 

Agreeing with God's horrible view of burning in hell forever for a sin is bootlicking.

If Hellfire is the punishment - why is it so severe and harsh? In normal legal systems - the more severe and heavy the punishment - the greater the value of what is being protected.

In our legal system, even the worst of the worst of murderers (if your country/state has the death penalty) is a relatively painless death and torture violates the 8th amendment.  If we don't burn murderers at the stake for murder (when they die after a few hours), then it is even more horrible to burn someone forever for not keeping the sabbath day holy.

We value life as a rule so someone who takes away someone else's life is given a punishment appropriate to that - which is mitigated only by circumstances and intent. We value the sanctity of the marriage which is why rape, and adultery and other forms of sexual offences are given heavy sentences (at least historically).  Incidentally, one way to show marriage is not valued anymore in the west is the fact we don't in many countries have punishment for adultery. 

Rape and adultery should not be punished with an eternity in hell.  Rapists and murderers deserve to be shot, but this is less severe than an eternity in hell.  Adultery committers should be whipped 30x in the presence of their spouse, but not burn in hell forever.

And the answer is interestingly, even on most legal books the most serious offence- treason. Go and have a look at the various legal systems around the world. One of the few offences which still carries the death penalty in most cases is treason. 

Our justice system doesn't burn people alive who commit treason.  However, God burns people forever for even trivial sins if they are unrepentant.

In Thailand - treason is expressed simply saying something negative about the king. 

Do you really want the justice system to emulate anti first amendment Thailand?

I suggest to you that sin - is treason against God.

God is as thin skinned as the monarch of Thailand; not someone to be emulated.

Nope. It is not bootlicking.  God can do anything he chooses to do.

Letting God burn your relatives in hell forever once they die is bootlicking.  Otherwise, what is bootlicking?

How about you go and create your own world and make the rules.

It is impossible for a human to create a world.  But if God is going to create us just to torture the majority of our species, then that's an evil god.

I also noticed that you contradicted yourself.  First you said that most people aren't burning in hell forever.  Then you claimed that burning in hell was justified if Mr. Sky Wizard deems that you should burn in hell forever.

I suggest to you that sin - is treason against God. It is the most vile and offensive thing.  And we do it knowing the consequences - and still sinning  anyway. 

Treason is held in such high regard in terms of seriousness not because it is vile or immoral, but rather because it threatens the state itself. Nothing can threaten God, so this analogy does not work.

I reject your assertion that there is no offence that deserves judgment in Hell.  The bible clearly indicates there there is an offence and that all of us have broken it.  You might not like the rules - that is a different matter altogether. How about you go and create your own world and make the rules.

Hell is eternal torture for a finite crime. That makes it infinitely unjust. Logic 101.

If I created your own world I would create far more just rules, which is the point here. If I can see the imbalance here why can’t God?

So that's a NO, then. You cannot explain your own bullshite.

Ok . Off you trot.