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@Speedrace
I also didn't think that I would so quickly get the vote. I thought Mharman and I were guaranteed votes. I was shocked when Intel also went Croc. Then I knew skittlez would go where the wagon goes
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@Speedrace
I thought Croc was the most consistent on what I was thinking on this game. I used the whole balance meta to get my point. He was also the most anti town player as well and most people were getting fed up. I tried to play up on that.
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@drafterman
How would go about DP3? I'm curious. Would you have went for someone else? I was pretty aggressive on most lynches if I'm confident in there.
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@Lunatic
Lmao. Only reason I didn't prime you was cuz I thought Speed was playing bad town before. Hence why I didn't prime you
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@Lunatic
Lol I've never played with a JK besides is ToS so I kinda didn't know the true mechanic, but a lot of it was BS
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@skittlez09
Nah I'd argue even with Croc's activity he still would've been lynched. I'd bet good money he'd say a stupid target (which he did) and we all would sus him
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The music I felt played in the background after I ignited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=fPO76Jlnz6c&app=desktop
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@Intelligence_06
I was an arsonist. I primed you in the night and then I ignited you during the day along with Mhar and skittlez
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Just goes to prove how bad/inactive town play hurt the town more than they do help the town.
But yes, after Intel and skittlez went for the VTL, I pretty much thought Mharman would go through with the lynch and claim the whole 1v1 tradeoff. I also think us not being in a PM helped. Since I wasn't aware, I scumread Speed from the start. My analysis was consistent with Speed. I knew I'd be lynched DP4, but it effectively didn't matter.
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@Mharman
As a Doctor, my role is keeping people alive
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@oromagi
- You say you claimed early but you claimed last
Having a cryptic message then saying your claim in DP2 is not full claiming I’m sorry
- Elijah Price was played by SLJ in Unbreakable but you said otherwise
When you look the character up, on my screen , it said two characters played him
- Speed claimed BLEEDER but you say that technically SPEED did not claim BLEEDER
Because he fake claimed his Bleeder then flipped Tracker. That’s not claiming Bleeder
- I never said I can't die. I explained that if I die by lynching my game ends but if I am killed NPx, I return > DPx+1
This is nitpicking words to make me look bad. You’re just manipulating town into trying to lynch me when I have been the most consistent player with my reads and scum tells
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@oromagi
I meant to say it differently than scummy, more like suspicious. It’s 11:08pm and I’m on my phone and not looking to reread posts
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@Intelligence_06
A watch is a power role no matter what way you put it. A lot of mods due a heal + rb > intellect type them. The fact that a cop exists is scummy. Notice how when the CC happened with Intel, Speed switched to Tracker when he was a Stalker. This means that Croc claimed Cop but might honestly be a role immune to Watching roles. It would only make sense. Also, don’t you think Oro has been tunneling me the entire game. Notice how he went from agreeing with Lunatics lynch to then turning the tables after he had no choice? Notice his role is avoiding lynched. He claims he can’t die in the night, but what if he wants to redirect the lynch in excuse of his role? I think he’s the second most likely candidate for scum
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I am logging off computer to finish a paper, I will get on phone later
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@oromagi
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But he still did a CC.
OK but I did not sus him, I had him as my top two scum reads, and had a scum read. I did not distance myself from him. I've been actively engaging in all players in this game who choose to be active. Where have I actively distanced myself from?
You also claimed last as Reincarnator. I claimed my character and role when told to do so by you. And don't give me the "well you claimed char & not role." I had doctor in there for a reason
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I misread, kid him was played by that person, apologies
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@oromagi
No I didn't. You buddied with him versus Lunatic in DP1. You switched after Speed was outted
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@oromagi
I've been in many, many games with both a COP and a WATCHER. However, MafiaWiki calls JK a RB + DOC. I'm increasingly convinced JK and DOC in a 9 man game does not make sense.
But is that how drafter defines it as. I don't have the experience but I've never been in a game with a Watcher and a Cop at all unless there is a GF and Ninja, and Speed did not flip as any of those. I have no reason to believe that in anyway is a Cop and Watcher feasible. I do have reason to believe a JK + DOC - Self Doc is good imo. I believe that a JK is also negative utility if someone outs as cop and screws over town because of it. A Doc does nothing besides heal and the odds of that being successful are theoretically low
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@oromagi
I strongly disagree with this theory. And I mean strongly. Bad town is not anti town, but anti town is scum
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@oromagi
NOTE: Elijah Price was also played by a different actor in 2000 as well.
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@oromagi
Because I insisted that Speed must die when Mharman tried to turn the train on you.
Because I full claimed in Post #7 before I knew theme
I did the same thing as well. So this is relatively invalid
Because I read and supported Intel's WATCHER claim
I did the same thing too, plus I had a scum read on Speed the entire DP1
Because if Speed and I were scum together we'd never claim REINCARNATOR and BLEEDER within a couple of posts
But Speed did a fake CC on Intel with Tracker, so he technically did not claim Bleeder
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@oromagi
So with your role, if you were to hypothetically die from the lynch in DP4, could you resurrect still?
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@oromagi
You were buddying Speed a bit in DP1 as well when in regards to Lunatic. You randomly turned on DP2 though. I've been consistently on Speed as a top scum
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@oromagi
Like I said, that's simply not true in any regards. 2 investigative roles in a game is a huge red flag to me. Why would you have two powerful roles at all. I keep saying that JK is not a big power role. You lose an action from a power role if any, and a doctor that can't self heal is relying solely, and I say solely, on luck.
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@oromagi
- Croc's play is always, consistently scummy and therefore not indicative.
How can you just keep him alive and not lynch him even when his play is bad. You allowing it to happen is giving him a pass
- But Croc first claimed non-SLJ because he looked up the actor who played the original Shaft.
- Even without understanding that the theme was SLJ, Croc nailed the claim- John Shaft is a good match for COP.
- Croc claimed COP halfway thru DP1 when only one VANILLA claim was on the table. A huge risk if he's not a COP.
- His COP of TUF NP1 is convenient but not that unlikely a choice.
- He would have had Speed for scum partner.
- Speed would have told Croc the theme and
- advised against COP claim DP1.
Again, do you not think maybe Speed purposely staged it that way
Also you are my second most likely scum. Why are you more town than I am.
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@oromagi
John Shaft wasn't even originally played by Samuel L Jackson.
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Total: 11-5
Thursday
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Browns: 17
Sunday
Giants: 17
Bears: 21
Rams: 30
Eagles: 18
Eagles: 18
Falcons: 20
Cowboys: 21
Panthers: 17
Bucs: 27
49ers: 30
Jets: 7
Broncos: 23
Steelers: 27
Lions: 20
Packers: 31
Bills: 24
Dolphins: 14
Vikings: 27
Colts: 20
Washington: 13
Cardinals: 23
Ravens: 30
Texans: 21
Chiefs: 40
Chargers: 21
Pats: 20
Seahawks: 23
Monday
Saints: 28
Raiders: 21
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@Intelligence_06
I claimed Doctor, not Bleeder. I doc'd you in the night
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@skittlez09
And why did he choose Lunatic out of all people. He is a lazy player who didn't give thoughts for that entire DP1 besides fucking up. It makes no sense he would just cop Lunatic. Speed had him as his "highest scum" even after the JK claim.
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@skittlez09
But why would there be two investigative roles though?
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@Intelligence_06
I think Croc should be the lynch.
1. You are an investigative role and Croc is an investigative role, I think that's too OP for a scum team to have
2. Croc's character is based off a sequel that occurred. I believe all our roles are original roles. I think that sets up his claim right
2. Croc's character is based off a sequel that occurred. I believe all our roles are original roles. I think that sets up his claim right
3. Croc might be the Ninja. Think about it. Stalker is a role discovering role and Speed claimed tracker. A Ninja is hidden from all tracking actions and he claimed cop. I think Speed strategically planned this out so that Croc seemed more believable
4. Speed was making a big emphasis on the entire premise on the OP between JK and Doc when it isn't OP. A Jailkeeper is basically an RB for what it's worth, but a Doctor is also a heal. I don't have a self doc (after asking with Drafter). This means that it's setup was intended to have these two roles
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So my town is Intelligence and Mharman at the moment
I mean Intel is town and Mharman seems more likely to be vanilla in this game looking at how the balance is going
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Looking at this overall. I am really concerned about Croc. His lurky behavior and the fact there are two investigative roles makes me very sus of Croc a lot.
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And I had Speed as my second most likely scum since the start behind Oro. I was right about his jumping to conclusion and him assuming scum don't know theme.
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@oromagi
Yes I agree. I meant Watcher or Cop. If Speed flips town then Intel is scum and Croc is town, but if Speed flips scum, Croc has pressure on him. I think Watcher + Cop is much more OP than JK + Doc, and I don't even consider JK + Doc OP
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Nvm he was on 6hrs ago, but still a possibility no doubt
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@Mharman
Don't rule out the possibility that Croc might not have used an action because inactivity
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@oromagi
I got no justification either for my role, but basic research made it so my role made sense
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I also think Croc is fishy. Two investigative roles is inherently sus no matter what you think. I think pressure should be put on Croc. I know he misread his character, but maybe there's a theme split we don't know about. Maybe it's remake vs original. I know SLJ is in a couple of remake movies. We are rulling out Croc for no good reason
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And I think Speed is lying. This whole fake claiming Bleeder thing is such bullshit. This is a stupid gambit that he tried to build town cred off of. No one is reading into that for one bit. Gambit and lying are anti town. Speed should be the lynch. No question
VTL Speed
VTL Speed
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@Speedrace
He claimed not SLJ but couldn't read after. And if he was the cop, why wouldn't he have died? Why would the mafia target a person a lot of people scum read versus not scum-reading
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