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@Intelligence_06
Well I thank you for your recommendation
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@Intelligence_06
I wouldn't count on me being a forum mod. I think the mods are heading in the direction of less moderators
If I do get offered that spot. I'd happily take it
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@Username
I forgot to mention that conservatives support things like punitive justice/death penalty
I support the death penalty, but on very rare occasions, and it needs to be regulated
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@Username
One is that more government = less freedom - this is false. Say you live in a society where slavery is commonplace. Now the govt. bans it. This society is now more free despite government intervention.
That's a fair example, but that can be equally the same if power is given in the wrong hands as well. If we look at the Soviet Union, millions of people died in their care because of a strong national government
Libertarians do, but Conservatives don't. Conservatives are the ones who want to have the state increase it's prescence on our borders.
I'm a Conservative Libertarian I guess
Conservatives want to build up our military and often want to push it into other countries.
You take GWB and apply it to all scenarios. I have no problem with military. We have to defend ourselves from a threat in China, who is rapidly growing is there military and certainly becoming more aggressive in SCS. If they become #1, who knows what will happen
Conservatives were the ones who didn't want gay people to be allowed to marry until that position became untenable.
Biden was anti gay marriage when Trump was in support of gay marriage. The Liberals turned the tides and now want to blame Republicans
Conservatives are the ones who want to restrict your access to abortion.
I think abortion shouldn't be publicly founded. It is against my religion to get an abortion, yet our family is paying tax dollars for people to have abortions. That isn't fair. Abortions should be privatized with government regulation.
Conservatives are the ones who don't want to allow a doctor to assist you in your death when you are so sick that you don't want to live anymore.
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Conservatives fall all over themselves justifying Israel, a militaristic state that is pushing into the borders of another country.
I'm assuming Israel vs Palestine. Personally, due to the fact I've wanted to visit Israel to practice my religion, and Palestine want's to push religion away, I support Israel, but not for any other reason
Conservatives don't want smaller government - they just want to push the government somewhere else.
So you don't believe capitalism and democracy isn't a good form of government?
Your "giving stuff to the states = freedom" thing is false. Once again, decentralization just moves power, it doesn't remove it. The people in my country will have more rights if I don't let individual states restrict freedoms, for example.
The thing is that Liberals want the national government to operate stronger than the state governments. I disagree with this. A state is more equipped to handle to state issues versus the national government. There should be natl restrictions for states, but states need to power some more power than the federal government. Having a more powerful federal government is bad
I'm bothered that a common Conservative response to issues is to complain about the left, which I hope you're not doing here.
No. I have issues with Conservatives as well. I believe climate change needs to be addressed and not ignored. I believe that guns need to be more regulated. But for the most part, I believe the left is more wrong than the right side. I'm also a Libertarian Right, so...
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@Intelligence_06
He's always said he wanted to be a mod of the site. Don't we all to some extent?
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@3RU7AL
MEANWHILE, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO STRIP OUR CIVIL RIGHTS.
The left wants to give more power to the federal government
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@3RU7AL
Everyone wants power. It's about what they do with that power that matters
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You like Trump= racist, homophobe
Hold a Police Flag= racist, homophobe
Stand instead of Kneel= racist, homophobe
Not Politically Active= racist, homophobe
Hold a Police Flag= racist, homophobe
Stand instead of Kneel= racist, homophobe
Not Politically Active= racist, homophobe
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The left weaponizes liberalism into attacking you for what you believe. The left will destroy you if you do not believe their ways, play the race card, and do everything to disown and cast you for not believing what they believe. It's an American tragedy. Since when did not believing in something become a hate crime. Since when did holding a flag supporting police become a hate symbol. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a police lover, I think their system is ultimately flawed and needs reform to stop corruption, but showing solidarity isn't a hate symbol
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@Username
The left weaponizes government as a mean to become authoritarian and gain power. The more power to individual states, the more freedom is happening. There are issues, but radical left policies will cause suffering for more people
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@Intelligence_06
"The major figures in the community are corrupt and only interested in keeping their group of buddies happy."
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@Intelligence_06
They wished to remain private
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@Lunatic
The general age group here feels very young and immature so it's hard for me to form friends as I did on debate.org.
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@Lunatic
Nah I'm pretty confiden't. I'm watching a Mr.Beast video and having the site open at the same time
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@Lunatic
Have someone else unvote. My vote stays on you
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@BearMan
Wdym how I am not mafia? Because I claimed cop
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@Lunatic
First I thought it was real, but the whole thing with omg kinda made me think it was fake and just play on
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@Lunatic
2) it's a 12 person setup, the optimal formula is 9v3, a 9v2v1 is a disadvantage.How do you figure? 3rd party numbers count towards town usually except for the oddball mod who counts them separately.
I count them seperately, Speed does, and a couple I know too. Maybe it's a new wave thing
1) warren hasn't put any 3rd party in his games just from my experience in playingHe has a few times in live mafia. Point = Bad
Don't recall any
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@Lunatic
Yea lol, I wanna know the state and justification because I've never seen this role
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm going to safely assume Texas
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@Discipulus_Didicit
His strategy is to claim a role that gets him a guilty but allows him to lynch people and mislynch, and draw the lynch away by claiming to "want to help town." People will believe him from Civil War. That's my issue
So was the cop on Luna the smartest move? No. But it made the most logical sense with him being the only one that I truly sus'd
So was the cop on Luna the smartest move? No. But it made the most logical sense with him being the only one that I truly sus'd
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also like you said, if you don't claim Miller and then get copped guilty, then claim Miller, it is scummy af to not SoP.
His justification for his claim is this.
He wanted to stir the DP and get a lynch. Then he would get away with what he said by just claiming a third party. Then he'd just be like, LOL i won so I wanna help town. Keep me alive. He then expects people to just believe him. He was probably assuming no cop was gonna investigate him because of the flip, so he would draw the cop action away from him. I pursued it in the NP and got the guilty when he didn't properly claim.
He wanted to stir the DP and get a lynch. Then he would get away with what he said by just claiming a third party. Then he'd just be like, LOL i won so I wanna help town. Keep me alive. He then expects people to just believe him. He was probably assuming no cop was gonna investigate him because of the flip, so he would draw the cop action away from him. I pursued it in the NP and got the guilty when he didn't properly claim.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That's not the case though. Now WE know the claim is 3rd party. We didn't know that and there was no way of knowing that unless a cop investigated him. I did and it turned him guilty. Just now he claimed. I was the first to claim a result, and he made up the result
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Call me out all you want man, IDRC. I think you are the strongest scum read behind Lunatic. The fact that you are so open to have Lunatic alive is scummy
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@Lunatic
1) warren hasn't put any 3rd party in his games just from my experience in playing
2) it's a 12 person setup, the optimal formula is 9v3, a 9v2v1 is a disadvantage.
3) yes, but i believing you are lying just by behavior, and yes i am aware. i am saying you are lying
3) yes, but i believing you are lying just by behavior, and yes i am aware. i am saying you are lying
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@Discipulus_Didicit
We already knew he was not beloved princess because of croc flipping innocent.Croc flipping innocent is what told us lunatic was lying.Therefore your guilty did not tell us lunatic was lying, because we already knew that without your guilty.Therefore your guilty told us nothing.
Yet you still are willing to accept Lunatic's beliefs when he is a clear scum. You would let live despite the fact he's a guilty. Again, he could be lying. Why are you blindly believing what he says?
Therefore your action was wasted.I ask again... Would you cop a claimed miller?
I wouldn't
Why would you believe someone who lied and led a mislynch, and now just wants to be left alive to "help town"
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@Lunatic
I sent the link in the Discord if anyone wants to answer
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No. He claimed Beloved Princess in the first DP. So he'd come back innocent. It isn't until after I got the guilty he did his whole stupid shenanigan
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@Discipulus_Didicit
But you are actively agreeing on what he says is my issue and are going along with his tactics is my issue
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Supa just think for a second.Scenario 1: Lunatic is mafia. In this scenario you would get a guilty.Scenario 2: Lunatic is a TP. In this scenario you would get a guilty.All scenarios have identical cop results, therefore your cop results did not teach us anything, therefore you wasted your action.
A guilty means you are anti town, whatever your role is.
It shouldn't even be a discussion. You now want to give him town cred for manipulating town and then claiming "i'm siding with town" after he theoretically got his objective. It's absurd. There should no doubt that he is the DP lynch. He is anti town, lied, and got a guilty. It doesn't matter what happens. It isn't a waste of role because he could easily be lying
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I am going to be furious if we do not lynch Lunatic this DP and instead go on an unrelated lynch due to Disc and Lunatic's manipulation.
We should discuss other lynches, but for the love of god, Lunatic should be lynch DP
We should discuss other lynches, but for the love of god, Lunatic should be lynch DP
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@Discipulus_Didicit
How is that wasting an action lmao? If I didn't investigate him despite him being wrong, he would've said the same shenanigans now. But now there is someone pressuring him
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't he has anything to report per say. Maybe he's asking if you had information
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@Lunatic
I don't have a Facebook so I can't do that through there
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@Lunatic
If your telling the town that a cop who just got a guilty on you to “just be ignored” you are so clearly scum lmao
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@Lunatic
@Discipulus_Didicit
A default isn't a top lynch thought. Default is just, "ehh we have nothing, fuck it let's go for him cause ____"
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So here are the player list and reads for me overall to come to my analysis on who is scum
Water and I are town
That leaves these 8
2. Discipulus_Didicit
2. Discipulus_Didicit
It's either Oromagi, Pie, and Cookie. I think Cookie is gone from the pile. There lurking overall and sparse activity is usually a town tell for them
1. Supadudz
2. Discipulus_Didicit
3. Bearman
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
6. Speedrace
7. PressF4Respect
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
10. waterphoenix
Water and I are town
2. Discipulus_Didicit
3. Bearman
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
6. Speedrace
7. PressF4Respect
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
That leaves these 8
Lunatic is scum to me and practically scum, so we bold him
3. Bearman
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
6. Speedrace
7. PressF4Respect
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
I think Bear and Press are town just due to activity alone. I don't read Bear as having any scum things. I believe his lowkey attitude is a town. Also with Press being AWOL and him being alive, I think mafia is just trying to keep him alive so they can force mislynches if a replacement isn't there
2. Discipulus_Didicit
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
6. Speedrace
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
With role in mind, I believe that Speed is a slight town read. His role PM being similar to towns PM is a townie thing overall, he's still a null because he's Speed, but doing POE, I don't think he can be scum
2. Discipulus_Didicit
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
Then it comes down to Disc, Pie, and Cookie. I think Disc is the top candidate at the moment for scum. His hammer on Croc and his willingness to comply with a guilty player and an anti-town role is a strong scum tell IMO.
2. Discipulus_Didicit
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
8. Lunatic
9. littlecookie
It's either Oromagi, Pie, and Cookie. I think Cookie is gone from the pile. There lurking overall and sparse activity is usually a town tell for them
2. Discipulus_Didicit
4. oromagi
5. iLikePie5
8. Lunatic
IMO, it comes down to Oromagi or Pie. I'm leaning more Oromagi now. He says his role is up for interpretation but in my from what I seen, I don't think any role is up for interpretation in the first place. Mine, Water, Croc, Ragnar, Speed, and Lunatic's are all inherently based on the negative. The fact that one is up for interpretation seems a bit fishy.
I also think the town vs the town argument is not a good point to make
I also think the town vs the town argument is not a good point to make
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@Lunatic
I still think your bullshitting this entire thing. It just seems to convenient IMO, I know ur scum and I want to hunt down other mafia
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Seriously? Ignoring a cop guilty and a false CC over one time where Lunatic failed at his goal and said he'll help now. He failed that time. He's saying he won and he wants to be kept alive to help? And you don't sus that at all? WTF
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@Lunatic
You got away with with because you preyed on a noob. Croc is inexperienced at mafia and you could do that easily and be believed because you are also surrounded by 3 noob players and an AFK. I don't like that one bit
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Lunatic literally has no utility to town besides his "support." You don't even know if he's lying.
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