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@Mikal
Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category
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@Mikal
Gotcha.I would say mine is more of a base item.
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Well after all that I don't have much substantive reads to give
Iron is slight town
JoeBob is slight town
Mikal is acting town ish but he's also very nit picky and a bit pushy, a bit more than I normally see from him, so null
Luna is still null. I think the pattern with You are (x) is so small and this game has been curated so well, I don't think Mharman makes his theme that. Catching a fake claim is the obvious reasoning for the push but unless I see some drastic behavior shifts I find it hard to lynch off that. His vote felt a bit OMGUS on Mikal but Mikal also said he knows Luna better than anyone else and I'm honestly slightly inclined to believe that, but it is also dependent on if Mikal is town which I can't be surely confident. Behaviorally nothing has pinged my radar
Pie is null. I think him barking up the tree with Iron is his natural skeptism and he does this as town a decent enough to where I think there's nothing truly suspicious
Whiteflame came in and nothing pinged me the wrong way
Castin is still new and hasn't done much so can't really give solid reads
Iron is slight town
JoeBob is slight town
Mikal is acting town ish but he's also very nit picky and a bit pushy, a bit more than I normally see from him, so null
Luna is still null. I think the pattern with You are (x) is so small and this game has been curated so well, I don't think Mharman makes his theme that. Catching a fake claim is the obvious reasoning for the push but unless I see some drastic behavior shifts I find it hard to lynch off that. His vote felt a bit OMGUS on Mikal but Mikal also said he knows Luna better than anyone else and I'm honestly slightly inclined to believe that, but it is also dependent on if Mikal is town which I can't be surely confident. Behaviorally nothing has pinged my radar
Pie is null. I think him barking up the tree with Iron is his natural skeptism and he does this as town a decent enough to where I think there's nothing truly suspicious
Whiteflame came in and nothing pinged me the wrong way
Castin is still new and hasn't done much so can't really give solid reads
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I feel like for someone relatively newer to mafia with theme knowledge, JoeBob seems to helping out town. He's helping with the theme analysis and putting substantive posts compared to what I've seen from other games. Right now feel like it's a slight town read but again I haven't seen him play in quite some time so my opinion can change. He also said his item is vital as well, not really fan of this but we'll see where this takes us
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Idk if that made sense but I think I kinda got what you were saying from context
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@Mikal
What do you mean by catgeory? Like is it a generic thing or is it a specific item?
I would say it's a specific item more than a category, but there is a category for it?
I would say it's a specific item more than a category, but there is a category for it?
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Don't really have any solid reads but I do have a slight town read on iron. I think there decision to claim is relatively towny. I think you risk way more not claiming than you do claiming. For one, with the role you have you can guarantee yourself a certain amount of results without being targetted (hypothetically speaking). The worst outcome is that multiple town protective come and heal you and then they all die lol (from what I know, I was in a call with mikal once and he talked about a bomb acting this way (I asked Mharm too as well to clarify)). Way to risky and I think iron played it right.
I don't know iron's meta tbh so can't really go off behavior alone. Any vets who've played with them can comment
I don't know iron's meta tbh so can't really go off behavior alone. Any vets who've played with them can comment
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I honestly see a bit of fluff between Mikal and TV tbh. I feel like I've seen this from Mikal as town trying to crack scum on little things to hunt for them. But then again there's been a lot of talk from him on slips and such. There is a real possibility of a 3p this game IMO so could he be some kind of executioner. Feels a bit weird for him to target Luna so quickly early on even from a hunch. It would be pretty bold to scum read him as 3p but want to keep reading
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@irontoaster
So that's interesting. I think you have to SOP claim there but I feel like this is extremely useful if town don't fuck this up. From my understanding of a bomb it's usually passive...so yeah this is a pretty good claim.
I feel like iron is likely town because this is the safe option. If you wanted to make a funny gambit you can randomly claim a 3x cop and then proceed to not elaborate and have mafia kill you. Would've been funny but extremely risky lol
I feel like iron is likely town because this is the safe option. If you wanted to make a funny gambit you can randomly claim a 3x cop and then proceed to not elaborate and have mafia kill you. Would've been funny but extremely risky lol
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Alright everyone. Work is gonna be busy this week so I don't know how much I can post mid day but gonna catch up to the DP now
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Hello everyone. Hope everyone enjoyed the holiday. Thanks to Mharman for not starting this game til the 6th. Was in Dc the whole weekend seeing college friends
I think I’ve only played Terraria a few times so theme knowledge is limited
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I’ll put my input into this
1) Yes
1.2) Savant or Mikal
2) No
3) No
4) Yes
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@Barney
You’re pretty close with that definition but this is based on a simulation that was conducted. Six sigma addresses concepts of Kaizen (continuous improvement) and getting as close as possible to 0 issues by using various different methods. If there are still issues that means there’s a deeper root cause there to understand. There will never be a perfect system unless you have robots automate everything (ironically what Toyota does), but that does not account for variances and such. Six sigma is more of a problem solving tool than a way to optimize the process to 0 errors, especially when there a large variance in the subject matter (I think a debate website constitutes as variance).
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@WyIted
Forget 6 sigma. Nobody builds a large business with it.
Toyota quite literally built there whole business model on six sigma concepts
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@ILikePie5
Not that I am aware of
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@Sir.Lancelot
Thank you as well!
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Precog'ing the response of "if you are in contact with the moderators, how come you didn't see those posts when they were deliberating?"
Respectfully, deliberating Holocaust conspiracy posts is not something I like to do on my birthday. I was out with family and friends golfing and eating sushi
Respectfully, deliberating Holocaust conspiracy posts is not something I like to do on my birthday. I was out with family and friends golfing and eating sushi
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I've said this to the mods so this isn't something that is coming out the blue to them, but I fully disagree with wiping the slate clean of that user before some users had adequate time to review the users posts. I think it's a disservice to the community as a whole to not at least have screenshots of the post, or an alternative is to give an adequate timeline of when the posts will be deleted so that people can be informed and actually look. I presented this to the mods and they were in agreement and we are looking on a solution
I can't speak of the user and the ban itself since I, obviously, didn't get to see the users posts
I can't speak of the user and the ban itself since I, obviously, didn't get to see the users posts
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@Casey_Risk
Yeah at that point I think I was set on either / or being the team at that point. Savant did a pretty good job setting up the fake confirmation which led me to be skeptical
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Also fuck I pinged as a scum read in DP1 with savant too. Should’ve stuck to my reads and not have voted Casey. Either way scum did a good job and setting up an either / or scenario so I doubt if Pie turned scum Savant was the lynch target. only way this happened if savant was lynch and I don’t think that would’ve happened. in theory pie voting Casey instead of savant, who lied about the results should’ve been a red flag I didn’t see but oh well.
Well played to both sides I really enjoyed playing this game
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@iamanabanana
All good. You played very well, it’s just a shame you ran into a hidden miller
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@iamanabanana
Honestly I’m going to have to agree. Thought I think a lot of it came from pie, which in theory he was scum so he was trying to get you mislynched, but I hate the idea of aggressiveness = scum mines that I’ve been seeing lately. You played the game the best of your abilities and even I could see you were probably town even before the flip.
As for you being aggressive, I literally town read you for being aggressive. I literally was one of like 2 people agreeing with you being town, so I’m questioning what you were seeing
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Damn it I had savant pinged the whole game too. They played that bus extremely well
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@Casey_Risk
It’s mafia so I took no offense at all. End of the day we were both town tryna to solve game. Probably should’ve just trusted my behavioral reads more than mechanics
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Should’ve been a bit more suspicious that Pie went for Casey instead of Savant when Savant false tracked Pie. Looks like I was half right about Savant. Gg tho
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Yeah I’m not convinced. I’d honestly rather be wrong than be right and no one listen
VTL Casey
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@Casey_Risk
And I met start first as in leads off voting, 99% he'll just bandwagon a lynch
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At this point I am not convinced at all that Pie is scum at this point. If I am wrong he played a hell of a game and deserves the win. I don't think scum Pie votes Casey first in a MYLO situation. Usually will wait until town makes a mistakes and then proceed to pounce on that. I'm more confident that Pie is scum but I think we should gameplan what to do and also not jump to any lynches in a desperate situation.
The team combos possibility
Pie/Savant - can't be a team due to the fake result and if Casey is town they both would've voted
Wylted/Savant - can't be ateam due to they would've both voted if Casey is town
The possible teams
Wylted / Casey - Wylted was pretty hard jumpy to vote Pie out compared to the others. Very possible he is the last scum team with Casey. They also have had limited interactions which is what I tend to notice from Wylted's scum play. He has also been WAY more quiet than usual, a deviation from how he plays as town
Casey / Savant - I literally laid out my whole reasoning for them
Pie / Wylted - A possibility but I doubt it. Wylted was way too jumpy to vote Pie and really not focusing on the arguments being made. I also think Pie is looking to interact with wylted in a way that seems to be preachy. Kind of what he does as town to some extend but not a hard town cause cuz he's done it as scum
Out of all the options I think the likely scenario is is Casey and Savant, I think we should take a hard look at Wylted as well with Casey because I don't rule them out of the picture just yet from a mechanic standpoint
The team combos possibility
Pie/Savant - can't be a team due to the fake result and if Casey is town they both would've voted
Wylted/Savant - can't be ateam due to they would've both voted if Casey is town
Pie / Casey - probably not a team. They both have conflicting votes on each other meaning one of them is probably scum and one is town. Scum aren't going at each other in MYLO situation unless it's a crazy bus play, which is not Casey's tendancy as scum
The possible teams
Wylted / Casey - Wylted was pretty hard jumpy to vote Pie out compared to the others. Very possible he is the last scum team with Casey. They also have had limited interactions which is what I tend to notice from Wylted's scum play. He has also been WAY more quiet than usual, a deviation from how he plays as town
Casey / Savant - I literally laid out my whole reasoning for them
Pie / Wylted - A possibility but I doubt it. Wylted was way too jumpy to vote Pie and really not focusing on the arguments being made. I also think Pie is looking to interact with wylted in a way that seems to be preachy. Kind of what he does as town to some extend but not a hard town cause cuz he's done it as scum
Out of all the options I think the likely scenario is is Casey and Savant, I think we should take a hard look at Wylted as well with Casey because I don't rule them out of the picture just yet from a mechanic standpoint
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The only argument that Casey really has is that I'm pivoting. So first it was a scum read because of my claim which they "never seen before" despite it being fairly common to a degree and on the roles list. Then it was a question of pivoting when I have remained pretty consistent on my beliefs. So what even is the argumen there?
Anyway going to the driving range for a bit so won't be online at all for the next hour
Anyway going to the driving range for a bit so won't be online at all for the next hour
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@WyIted
Again, Casey is trying to make it out like I'm just blatently disregarding the points being made. If that was the case I literally would have no reason to not vote Casey unless I was trying to draw insane town cred, which at DP3 is kinda pointless especially in a MYLO situation.
Pie could 100% be on some bullshit timing. I am not a huge fan of his behavior at this point in time and the obviously easy answer is that he wasn't an Inno Child. Even if he claimed his name was the letter G, it is very broad and could work for anything. Seemed a bit jumpy on some of the lynches in the beginning. But I wouldn't say anything he did stood out to me that isn't what he normally does.
Pie could 100% be on some bullshit timing. I am not a huge fan of his behavior at this point in time and the obviously easy answer is that he wasn't an Inno Child. Even if he claimed his name was the letter G, it is very broad and could work for anything. Seemed a bit jumpy on some of the lynches in the beginning. But I wouldn't say anything he did stood out to me that isn't what he normally does.
But again, how do we know he is lying? Maybe Savant is noob but in the case of a claimed inno child which he said was DP3, why wouldn't he target him to see if anything happened. Or better yet why wouldn't he target a claimed cop at this point to see a potential NK? And isn't really convinenant that Casey just suddenly got roleblocked after the only person they targetted was myself, which convienantly got redirected to Savant, which then convienantly let Savant to see pie vist casey?
Just a lot of convienance that everything worked out twice for them.
Just a lot of convienance that everything worked out twice for them.
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@WyIted
I mean if Pie is scum town are going to lose because the focus is obviously going to shift toward me next DP and from there unless we get some crazy result we are going to lose so idk. I think Pie has a pretty strong case for him but knowing that I'm town and how Dp4 will likely end if Pie turns scum, I'd rather just take an L with my reads rather than get lynched and get blamed for not being convincing enough
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@WyIted
I find it a major red flag that our only watcher didn't keep an eye on the Innocent Child or the Cop we had to see where the NK come from and instead targetted someone that was not town locked by any means and how that person was suddenly just roleblocked
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@WyIted
I'm not dismissing it. Again, I'm pointing out the different options there are at this point. It's damning but it is also damning Savant didn't target Banana or Pie at all instead just tried to confirm it.
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@WyIted
I want to hear your thoughts and reads. I personally am leaning toward Savant and Casey but if there's something that I'm not realizing lmk
And no one ever said it was L-1, that might've been DP2
And no one ever said it was L-1, that might've been DP2
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@ILikePie5
Noted.
I want to hear Wylted's thoughts first about the situation
I want to hear Wylted's thoughts first about the situation
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Role confirmation =/= affiliation indicatingWhy would scum have the ability to give people bulletproof vests?
They don't. You would be simply lying. Not to mention no one else can confirm they received anything because they were convienantly roleblocked
Pie is literally there claiming a DP3 innocent child and you don't watch him in case of a night kill of some sortsI just remember Pie claiming he was inno child and not saying what day. Looking back apparently he told Casey he was dp3. But he was in no way confirmed, so why would I watch him?
Because he would be confirmed DP3, meaning the game is a 2v2. Assuming Banana is still the NK it's a 2v2 with Wylted Casey you and I because Pie is inno. Less mislynch options to go to if you are scum. Plus if anything funky happened to Pie (like what happenend now), you can see who visited him and who's bullshit
we knew the NK targets would not be CaseyWhy not? I didn't know that.
Uhmmm, because Pie, an inno child next DP, and Banana, an un CC'd cop, are way more critical to town and who mafia would target for a kill. Basic 101 mafia lol
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Pie has a pretty damn good point as well about that random comedian generated. I am going the precog the argument Casey is going to make about "you could've just coordinated with your comedian buddy about the roles you wanted to generate," but then again why would I include a JOAT on there and criminalize my partner versus generating a pure town result. Would not make sense really.
Also the soft claim G makes very much sense with that role too. But I want to see the justification for that character to role
Also the soft claim G makes very much sense with that role too. But I want to see the justification for that character to role
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@ILikePie5
What was your justification for innocent child again?
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@Savant
you convienantly targetted Casey, who is by no means confirmedSince Casey was role confirmed to me and I'm the one doing the targeting, why does that not make sense?
Role confirmation =/= affiliation indicating. Pie is literally there claiming a DP3 innocent child and you don't watch him in case of a night kill of some sorts but you only choose the person who was role confirmed. Not to mention we knew the NK targets would not be Casey, this just seems like poor use of a role or you're bullshitting
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