Vader

I feel like one of the info role has to be scum. I actually am sort of leaning Moozer. The only reason I could see him not using his role is if he's scum and tryna to get to L-1 to "fake" he got a guilty. Seems sus to me

So... you're sussing the only claimed informational role? I don't like Moozer's reasoning, but that would mean he's fake claiming a role without a specific name (Pie and I have put a name to it, but he didn't claim one) and the only one that indicates alignment so far (Owen or Luna might have one, not ruling that out). I don't buy it.

This is pretty stupid and I’m positive scum are on this train 

But I’m 537. The year which the construction of Hagia Sofia began. I am an Elite Bodyguard where if I protect the NK, the attacker dies as well

Interesting. Justification?

My NP1 results just say I've been turned into a townie

Alright, so it's possible you were made vanilla before you could use your role. Got it.

To be clear, I meant confirmed IF I still had my RB. What I mean by that is there would have been some indication that OK, he's telling the truth about RB. I didn't think I'd confirmed if made vanilla, but if it was a town who converted me I thought they would've spoke up, they get converted to a vanilla town so it essentially 80% confirms them unless it's a big brain gambit

That was confusingly framed in your previous response and you seem to be breaking that into two points now. I'm not sure how you could confirm that you had the RB if you apparently got no confirmation that either of your uses of the role were successful.

As for the latter point, I guess it was possible that Pie was a town Vanillizer since he hasn't claimed yet. In any case, I've become less convinced that you're scum with each of your responses, so I'm setting this aside for now.

JoeBob is in no way town confirmed at all. I think there should be some discussion because his role is pretty fishy and I am not as trustworthy with vigils. I think the role makes sense but the role gives me sus. There are also so many moments to choose from that it is not impossible to fake claim something in this game

I understand your perspective here since. If he's scum, he would know that you had been Vanillized and could sus you as a result. It does seem strange to me that, as scum, he'd give cover to both That2 and Pie with his fake claim despite the fact that neither had claimed by that point, but I can at least see why you might view his role as fishy.

That2's logic honestly works in the situation. I would mull it over but even if WF is scum, then you are playing as a gamble that you don't die...which now that I type that...

I'll admit, I would be interested to see how this would play out, but I don't think the risk is worth it. Going to give my thoughts in response to That2 regarding how this would play out.

He's my top read at the moment but I would strongly consider WF in the pile. I just feel like his Rock Paper Scissors role is way too much chance involved and if he is town, why didn't he SOP claim that, OK, if I'm lynched we both will die unless we pick the same thing. It also is such a neg town utility to it that I'm not sure why it wasn't SOP'd, especially if they pick the same and it hypothetically kills 2 town. I am frankily a bit sus

I'm not sure why you believe this role is an SOP claim. If your point is that it could result in the death of another townie, then Vig and Gladiator should be SOP roles as well, since they can result in the deaths of other town members. The only difference here is that mine's triggered on lynch and has a clear element of chance to it. 

I just don’t see WF as scum right now over you/Owen. If you’re certain Owen is scum, then I would guess JoeBob is the partner and they’re working with fake claims Luna gave them. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense why Owen isn’t expanding on his PM justification 

Counter argument to your point

Right now Vader is my best scum read. How would an experienced player not notice that they became a different role?

1. Do you think I would be paying more attention to my role PM if I was mafia or town?

2. Do you think if I were a scum RB I would willingly out my role as a RB and then not say who I targeted to role confirm myself and put the sus off of myself

2. why would you pay more attention to one more than the other?

1. I don’t think you’re a RB scum. you just said you were a RB but you’re not actually I bet

JoeBob is in no way town confirmed at all. I think there should be some discussion because his role is pretty fishy and I am not as trustworthy with vigils. I think the role makes sense but the role gives me sus. There are also so many moments to choose from that it is not impossible to fake claim something in this game

This is also fair, buts if you’re scum, then he’s Town for sure. It just depends on who I believe more. Right now I’m leaning towards you or Owen as the lynch.

I mean town lose if they lynch and it's inherently a horrible lynch. I had no reason to SOP claim my char in DP1 and comment on it.

Well this is WIFOM, but I see your point.

In fact if I had no visit on JoeBob, shouldn't that indicate me that I am even more telling the truth?

Not really cause you may have sought a mislynch on him to win the game. You only mentioned how you were a vanilla after That2 corroborated JoeBob

Why would I make such a stupid gambit to claim someone I didn't RB in the NP.

Cause it’s MYLO

Luna usually confirms whether an action was successful, so I thought he would have confirmed your night action if it was, regardless of whether your target could actually be RB'd. I'd still like to understand how you thought you'd be confirmed if you were made vanilla.

Right now Vader is my best scum read. How would an experienced player not notice that they became a different role?