Vader

Hello all. Checking in. What is everyone's familiarity with the theme? My lil brother used to watch Bo on youtube forever ago, that's about all I know of him. He seems kind of like an musical comedian?

Yeah... I'm not arguing this with you anymore at this point. You know where you messed up and you admitted to it, but now you're suddenly claiming that you didn't make a mistake. This seems to just be your thing this DP, so whatever. Whenever Owen comes on and posts his claim, I'll address my other reasons for sussing you.

People are suspicious of pushing inactives because if you are scum, it's essentially a free mislynch because you can always just make the argument of "well he's inactive."

Point taken, but you're overlooking the fact that I only really started pushing Wylted late in the DP when it became clear that it was either him or no one. I wasn't eager to lynch him specifically as much as I was trying to just get a lynch in general. My first choice had actually been Luna, for reasons I already explained, but I backed off when he got on and claimed.

Your suspicion of me is technically a wagon. The vote doesn't draw me off. Whiteflame is the the driver of my suspicion and you seem to hop on that wagon using weak role analysis to back it up.

It's not just Whiteflame. Pie also sussed you, more than any other living player, and asked us to follow up on his leads. I'm respecting his wishes. Also, I agree with you that it's somewhat unlikely that both your role and JoeBob's would both exist in this game, and I think JoeBob is more likely to be town. That makes you my most suspicious player atm.

Like I said, you're overanalyzing a very simple mistake that does not mean anything. Beginning or end, why does it inherently matter? You haven't given a good reason as to why it matters. Answer, it doesn't.

See, it’s pushback like this that makes me more solid in my sussing of you. You know you fucked up. You have said so - that your claimed year is several years off from the specific event. Timing matters because no one else has done that. Moozer could potentially have claimed the start of building the Colosseum, and if he had listed its competition date along with it, I’d be sussing both of you right now. It matters because it’s wrong, plain and simple, and I don’t think someone who had their claim in writing for multiple days and knows about this particular structure, as you clearly do, makes that mistake.

It's a theory obviously, but if Owen claims or flips an affil confirming investigative, you wouldn't sus out Moozer. I back tracked because he was the only one claimed, not because I wanted to confirm. Moozer goes more into my scum pile at that point. Pretty basic-ish mafia logic

So now it depends on Owen’s claim… but not since Moozer’s in your scum pile as the only affiliation indicative informational claim on the table. You keep flipping on this, since you said he was a town lean 20 minutes ago. Nothing’s changed.

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there is quite literally no difference in the beginning or end of construction that would deviate town from scum in a theme analysis

Not the point. The mistake in timing is the point, which you’ve already acknowledged is a valid reason to sus you. It was pretty flagrant, and your defense of it is kind of absurd. You seem stuck on a few side issues I mentioned that I’ve admitted were weak reasons to sus you. 

I still haven't seen any major behavioral read to indicate me as scummy.

Already mentioned the decision to sus Moozer as concerning. Just because you’re backtracking on that now doesn't change that. I do think both the people you’re sussing make sense based on where things are at and your claim at least.

I genuinely don't know why I am being sussed so hard for wanting Wylted to be lynched. It's usually beneficial for the town to lynch someone DP1, and it seemed like there was a really decent chance that he was scum, and he was clearly deadweight anyway.

Also, I only jumped on your wagon to put you at L-2 to help pressure you into claiming as soon as you logged on. I wasn't going to lynch you before you claimed.

you had been online, but not said anything, which I found to be very sus

So, what about my character made you think I had to be in this game? Luna has the fall of the Western Roman Empire, but you weren't considering him. You didn't consider any of those who had claimed their roles early. Why me?

Because you were active and since I had a townread on you, I figured you would be more help with the town because of consistent activity. No guarantee that Luna would be active.

Don’t love that you’re shifting your basis for choosing me as a target from character to behavior, but I’ll leave this for now as well.

It was the one of 537. I get them confused. Either way not like I was lying about what I am. In my soft I was in the right date range

You got the beginning of construction confused with the end of construction? I believe that, I just don't believe that, if you had this year in your PM and the specifics of whether it was the start or the end of construction, you would then proceed to confuse them in your claim. Much more believable if this was a fake claim that you'd confused.

It's one of the biggest and most well known structures in the Byzantium and was one of the crowning achievements. This is just wrong

I'll give you this, I was just throwing it out as a smaller reason.

Either way, I was protecting because of character.

So, what about my character made you think I had to be in this game? Luna has the fall of the Western Roman Empire, but you weren't considering him. You didn't consider any of those who had claimed their roles early. Why me?

You know what? I don’t want to dismiss joebob here either. Now that I think about it Vader kind of counter claims him since he has the potential to kill a mafia player by guarding correctly. Would earth put two killing roles in like that?

Construction ended in 537 AD. Don't think anyone else has the wrong year for their event claim, but hey, could be wrong.

The Hagia Sophia is a far lesser known structure

 out of either of our two informational roles (three if you count Wylted).