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@disgusted
1. Didn't know him well but he committed suicide
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It would be enough to pay off some of the debt so Germany wouldn't be on their assIf the Greek debt goes down from about 343 billion Euros/$391 billion(https://commodity.com/debt-clock/greece/) to $338 billion Euros/$385 billion, that won't be enough for Germany.
Germany will take any payment at this point. It would be enough fmpov.
Although Chios does have economic potential, I as POTUS would offer $10 billion in exchange for Chios and Milos. The US can build a nuclear power plant in Greece if that's part of the deal.My offer:Greece Gets from the US$15B dollarsNuclear Power PlantDefense vs TurkeyUS Gets from GreeceChiosMilosAbility to set own Mestiha farms up to sell in US
Read above why the 3rd option doesn''t work. You can sell Mestiha, but you can not have farms in US because the soil only works in Chios
Chios and Milos aren't that big and their population is small, so I don't want to pay too much for the islands.
Fair. But they are supported off of tourists and are a big time power house. Milos especially. They make most profit off of tourism. Chios not so much, but it is an economic powerhouse
New Proposal
Greece Gets from the US
$200B dollars
Nuclear Power Plant
Defense vs Turkey
US Gets from Greece
Chios
Milos
Ability to sell fresh Mestiha in US/make Mestiha farms in Greece
Receive a 1/4 of Milos tourism funds
Plus I don't know the exact amount, but in the summer time. Milos make a shit ton of money. It is the best place to go in Greece according to Forbes. Very wealthy
I would propose another offer taking place between Greece and Buulgaria:Greece gets from Bulgaria:-$4B a year for 20 years. This brings down the Greek debt to $300 Billion, maybe Germany would stop complaining.Bulgaria gets from Greece:A panhandle from Greece owned Thrace in order to be able to access the Mediterranean without passing through Istanbul. This brings down the Turk economy to some extent since they are getting less influence through their Istanbul port.
Counter Offers
Greece Receive
-$300B a year for 5 years to pay off all debt
-$1B for 20 years after debt is paid
-one military base and nuclear power plant must be built in Thrace to defend vs a Turkish attack
-Full Protection over Turkey
Bulgaria Receive
All of Thrace and the all the funds from coal mining can go straight to Bulgaria
CO2
Greece Receive:
-$5B a year for 20 years.
-Protection from Turkey
-Nuclear Arsenal
Bulgaria gets from Greece:
Panhandle of Greece Thrace that does not include the big cities, just the ports and the ways connecting to Turkey
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@Alec
Just letting you know Mestiha doesn't grow in the US. Only in ChiosAbility to set own Mestiha farms up to sell in US
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@Goldtop
I read that in an article
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@Alec
That would be the only option I would consider is selling an island or two.How much money would Greece get for selling an island or two? Not enough to pay off their debt.
Depends on the island. It would be enough to pay off some of the debt so Germany wouldn't be on their ass
Even so, it would have to be a land that Greece does not care about.Do the Greeks care about their Thrace territory? If so, why? Bulgaria could buy it on a mortgage to help pay off the Greek debt while providing Bulgaria with coastline to the Aegean sea. Both parties benefit. Bulgaria gets coastline to the Aegean sea that helps them bypass Istanbul/Constantinople for purposes of trade, and Greece has much of their debt paid off from the selling of the Thrace territory, about half of it.
Komotini and Kavala are in that regions and those are big cities they would be losing. Especially in the mining industry. And also? Why should Bulgaria get access to Istanbul? You know who rules it first right? The Greeks before the stupid Turks got their hands on it. Agia Sofia was a Greek Church. I am sure it isn't a bad idea as I don't believe Greek-Bulgaria relations are very good. It wouldn't be a bad idea. But I think Greece should get some sort of military arsenal plus cash too.
If Greece sold an island to America but in exchange, America had to provide an increase in military tools to fend off TurkeyHow much money are we talking about? And what island are we talking about? If I were POTUS, I would offer $6 billion from the US gov funds in exchange for Crete. Like you said, Greece has many islands. I'm fine with America defending freedom worldwide. We already do that for other places.
If the US was to offer money for the islands of Milos and Chios in exchange for protection vs Turkey and developing a nuclear power plant owned by Greeks to defend Cyprus and 245B dollars, I would do it.
Chios is worth big time money. They are the only island in the world to produce Mestiha. This is one of the rarest items in the world and can be sold for a lot of money.
Here is a trade offer I would propse
Greece Gets
$124B dollars
Nuclear Power Plant
Defense vs Turkey
All Mestiha profits would go into Greek Economy
US Gets
Chios
Milos
Ability to set own Mestiha farms up to sell in US
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@Goldtop
You think the Democrats do better? The only reason they want the Latinos in this country is because the wan't their vote in 2020. All your party does is lie to impress party officials and appeal to the public. The economy sucked under Obama and middle class we're fucked because we were paying bums and gangs on the South Side of Chicago to shoot each other up with welfare. Welfare and food stamps is the biggest sin in this country. Look what Trump did. He reduced these things and the middle class has been working hard and has increased. No one even noticed that African Americans have had the lowest unemployment rate since Clinton did while Obama had the highest? Why, Obama gave handouts. They lie and manipulate to the public
Border officials want the wall. I believe it's stupid and won't solve. But to be fair, why can't they apply for an immigration visa themselves? I mean the Chinese and Indian high skilled immigrants and low skilled immigrants did it. Surely our system isn't that broken
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@Goldtop
I believe I do. Most Nihilists tend to be depressed, have anxiety, and value destruction
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@Goldtop
I give Trump a 7/10 for his presidency. He has decreased taxes for the middle class and the workers such as lawyers, etc, have made more money under Trump
I hate his tariffs and wall
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@Goldtop
His doctor literally said it? How is it sketch?
And I have more brain cells than a Nihilist does. They tend to be crazy and need an asylum as they turn out crazy. You match the description *thumbs up*
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@Alec
That would be the only option I would consider is selling an island or two. Even so, it would have to be a land that Greece does not care about. Even then, Greece is a national of 1000 islands. Those people could vary in what they want.
If Greece sold an island to America but in exchange, America had to provide an increase in military tools to fend off Turkey, I would take that deal. America could build a nuclear power plant on the island. That way, Turkey does not get any ideas about Cyrpus
Now that is a smartish solution
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@Goldtop
Never said that. Are you on shrooms because your very delusional?
Sure Goldtop, sure Goldtop. i YaNk My BiG pEnIs To OrAnGe FaCe KiLiNg GaYs. This is the stupidest thing you said in a while.
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@Goldtop
It is still child abuse FORCING a child into chemical castration. Look at Michael jackson and Joe jackson
It is more abusive than practicing a religion
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@Goldtop
I am going to reverse your dick into a pussy and make you lose all your hormones against your own will? That isn't abuse?
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I didn't fail miserably. You are just a fucking airhead and never responded to any of my points and called me a liar and hypocrite and tried to convert me.All you can do is lie. Pathetic.
I speak the truth. You speak myths
Well it took a lot, but you are officially my number #1 most hated person on this site. CongratsAnd, you just showed yourself to be a liar and a hypocrite who claims he was taught to love everyone. Pathetic.
I have
Actaully, it didn't take much for you to show your ugly side, and wow, is it ever ugly.
No bc I can't deal with dumbasses like yourself
If this is how you debate irl, probably would never win a round in your life.I handed you your ass, dude. You have no concept of debate. All you can do is lie and say really stupid things.
Debate me then. Start one up this Sunday and we will see who wins
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I won't continue to argue with you anymore at all when you ignore the bible and what it says.I know what the Bible says and it is you, the alleged loving Christian who ignores it. We already proved that with your MASTURBATION thread in which you show yourself to be a hypocrite. In this thread, you rant against gays by cherry picking some verse that tells you being gay is a sin. Yet, you sit there chocking your chicken every day in spite of what the Bible says. You are a hypocrite.
I never said I don't sin. And please find me a forum where I speak out against them. All I am saying is chemically castrating your son when he doesn't want it is child abuse
You don't understand religion and never willI understand religion far better than you, junior. You don't even understand what you're doing and how much of hypocrite it makes you look. You're absolutely clueless.
You don't even practice it so how can you know better?
I tried reasoning with you and explaining the versesWhat about the verses that deal with masturbation? Notice how you ignored them? What other sins do you commit every day while railing at others for committing sins, Mr. Pot?
I commit sins, but I confess my sins and I am forgiven and work not to. I confess them and haven't mastur in a while
without a religious compass, we would all die and rape and murder would be justifiedAnd now you come round to show us your stupidity. You clearly live in some fantasy world because that is not even remotely based in reality. And while you may have a "religious compass" you certainly lack a moral compass.
I don't kill or rape because I believe I will go to hell if I do. If that didn't exist, then no one would care about after they die
Referring to people who constantly repeat the sin with clear knowledge and have committed and confessed 100s times and have not made an attemptYou mean, exactly like you and your regular pattern of masturbating....Masturbate ----> ConfessionMasturbate ----> ConfessionMasturbate ----> ConfessionMasturbate ----> ConfessionMasturbate ----> Confession
You don't know my life and what I do to stop it
I provide bible passage that said to love each other you dip shitThen, you turn around and tell me how you hate gays. It's not about the verses, hypocrite, it's about whether or not you follow them, which we can plainly see that you yourself do not.
That means you sin. Then you confess and are forgiven
Nothing you say or do with ever go through my head.So, you wish to remain wilfully ignorant, hypocritical and deluded.
If that is what you define as religion then yea
You are just describing yourself
It is not your moral right to convince me to turn Athiest when that is not true.Yet, you seem to think it's your moral right to cast judgment on others with Bible verses yet ignore the Bible when it comes to what you want. I don't care for you to atheist, I simply would like you to start using that dormant organ in your head, stop hating gays, stop being a hypocrite and stop lying. But, I know you won't do any of that because your mind has been rotted by religion.
Do you honestly think I will listen to you
Yep they are full blown retardsIs that how a loving Christian behaves? Lol. Hypocrite.
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@Goldtop
I didn't fail miserably. You are just a fucking airhead and never responded to any of my points and called me a liar and hypocrite and tried to convert me.
Well it took a lot, but you are officially my number #1 most hated person on this site. Congrats
You're constant need to barge into my life, your unwillingness to listen to my argument, and your only rebuttals are calling me a hypocrite? If this is how you debate irl, probably would never win a round in your life.
You take all the toxicity on this site and double it
You're constant need to barge into my life, your unwillingness to listen to my argument, and your only rebuttals are calling me a hypocrite? If this is how you debate irl, probably would never win a round in your life.
You take all the toxicity on this site and double it
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Too many people have different views. You can not really define religion as a principle as belief will believe what they want to believe. A fight convincing someone not to believe because of your own reasoning will cause insults and negligence. Not calling out the person in the thread as it applies to a lot of people.
Plus people who don't know religion assume falsely about it without reading the holy texts and the libtards look at the media and how they portray religion versus what these books say.
It is religion in government that causes these things
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No it is not because religion does more good than harm. A child is uncapable of making the decision whether he wants to stay reilgious at 18. It is up to the parents to show him religionAnd that makes Hinduism and Islam and Jainism and Catholicism just as true as yours. You people just don't get how your justification for the rightness of your religion is EXACTLY the same justification that ALL religions use.
Ok.
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Our religion does not encourage that. Orthodox Christianity is a peaceful religion. Please check your stuff before?The IPSS who supply everything you know about the god you worship tells you that your god endorses rape, slavery, genocide, infanticide and human sacrifice and that is your religion.Where do you get conflicting information
We don't believe in IPSS. We use the bible and no other source of religious values and I provide text to prove we are peaceful and do not condone these. The 10 commandments prove
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@Goldtop
No you just say I'm stupid and throw it out there like a pitcher in baseball
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Artemir had been growing steadily. It was mostly peaceful and more people were influxing in sharing their knowledge and belief. Bsh had decided to flex his hammer and hammer more people off the island and let their kingdom rot without anything else in mind. Things were going pretty well and all the island celebrated the New Year. But new year meant new challenges.
BuddaMoose had gone missing for some time, the current most powerful kingdom. His kingdom crumbled and it started to fall hard. It was a mad dash toward the top, where a young RM came hoping into the race. The best lawyers and kings in the land, we had won 50+ battles and was rapidly expanding his army. When Budda fell, he took the reigns of the spot. He had now been secured in a GOAT status, collecting his second gem in his quest for the Artemir stones.
Rumor was when a member collected the 6 stones or killed the king, they would be cemented in the hall of fame, and have a say in what is to come.
There is only one way to achieve all the stones without killing the king
-Be the top lawyer
-Be the king of bureaucracy
-Own both titles
-Allow your worst enemy to be banned
-Become a master at one certain talent
-Dethrone the current moderator
He had collected now 3 stones on his quest.
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Later in the day, we see Lunatic, Vaarka, SupaDudz, and thett discuss in the secret lair that no one knows.
"What are we going to do about RaMos? He has 3 Artemir Stones already!" asked Vaarka
"Our colonies alone will not be enough to stop RaMos. He will soon take over Artemir." replied thett
"I guess there is only one way to handle this," remarked Dudz. "We must form one union and combine our armies."
"How can we do that when we have different ideologies." asked Lunatic.
"Our states run the overall government and laws retaining to our state. We will combine troops and military arsenal to take him down. More and more people are against RaMos. If we can get them on our side, we will stand a chance." answered Dudz
"We would CRUUUUUSSSSHHHHH them!" replied Vaarka
"Fool. We can not underestimate the strength in RaMos. We need a mod str.."
"HEY HO HO" replied Bsh
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@thett3
I can co write a script for you or give you ideas. Just let me know
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@thett3
Ok fair enough. It would be way cooler for this to happen.
RM and Kanye rap battle and RM takes down Kanye. Kanye so depressed resigns from the presidency putting RM in charge of the country of America. That is when SupaDudz comes in and says "HOLD ON A FAT MINUTE." RM realizes it is SupaDudz and then SupaDudz explains the beef with them(which is up to you to decide). Then SupaDudz exposes RM for changing into a woman in order to win and take down the president in a rap battle because of how better he is. That is when the ultimate Sicko Mode vs Mo Bamba rap battle happens
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@Goldtop
I won't continue to argue with you anymore at all when you ignore the bible and what it says.
You are fucking stupid and are not worth my minutes living on the planet Earth. You don't understand religion and never will.
Believe what you have to believe. I tried reasoning with you and explaining the verses, but your too stupid or ignorant to listen. I will only answer points that have something for them to be argued.
Until your ass reads them, I will not respond
Your church is part of society, dummy. Your church is teaching you to be an asshole.
It only consists of 2% of society and is losing it's valye everyday because of people like you who denounce the church when in reality, without a religious compass, we would all die and rape and murder would be justified(unlike the bible WHERE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS PROVE IT IS A SIN)
You see, you've already become a full fledged asshole threatening people with hell.
Was not referring to you. Referring to people who constantly repeat the sin with clear knowledge and have committed and confessed 100s times and have not made an attempt
The only evidence you've provided is your hatred of gays and your massive stupidity.
I provide bible passage that said to love each other you dip shit
It is concerning, you are being taught to hate others, to lie and be an asshole, all because of your church and what they're teaching you. You're young and have your life ahead of you, yet are making extremely bad decisions by listening to your church. Years from now, you'll think back on this and realize just how much of an idiot you were. Too late, then.
No it is not. I am some kid over the internet and you are some dude over the internet. Let me be clear. Nothing you say or do with ever go through my head. No offense to you at all as I would apply the same logic to people on this site as well that I have no clue who they are. It is not your moral right to convince me to turn Athiest when that is not true.
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