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I think the team is Mhar and Pie. Pie usually pushes these scumslips and he seems to be avoiding Mhar.

Who says I’ve been avoiding Mhar. You’re the one rushing for a lynch in MYLO without talking through everything. Why?

Sure, if Badger wants to be lynched, whatever. He was my other (albeit kinda weak) scum read anyway. We should VTNL tomorrow for the better matchup of a 3v2 instead of a 4v2.

VTL Badger

Supa also claims wylted is playing tricks and that I am not a new player. Later, Supa claimed that he didnt say how I wasnt new. However, he did in post 37, 38 and 40.

1. The whole "Idk what to do" thing in Post #6, only to be followed up by a lot of comments that look like he's pretty sure of himself (a new example of this contradiction is found every time they post).

2. The immediate town read of you in Post #7 based on your research. I'm not saying that announcing research is inherently scummy, but it's not inherently towny, either. It's not something that we can use to evaluate affiliation. At first, I said it was only slightly scummy because it could just be bad/inconsistent noob logic, but then they go on to call out the illogical parts of Lunatic's sus on you, and then assert in Post #56 that Lunatic is scum because his instant scumread (as B.K perceives it, more on this in a second) on you is irrational. Yet, they ignore how their instant townread on you would be just as irrational.

So it's not really that B.K's poor logic is the problem, it's the fact that they give so much thought to the idea of logic, EXCEPT when they make a conclusion. With that in mind, the fact that they instantly called you "town" and than instantly called the one person who disagreed "scum" reeks of buddying.

3. The whole "testing reactions" thing (as he claimed in Posts #54 and #61 looked legit to me for a bit, until I noticed how he did it. When he set up his "test" in Post #10, Lunatic didn't even respond to the vote itself (instead focusing on you), and yet by Post #19 they were already calling Lunatic "scum." While they gave a different reason than their "test" in Post #19, he makes it clear in Post #56 that Lunatic's focus on you in Post #13 was a failure of his "test."

Not to mention the fact that Lunatic didn't even say you were scum; he only said in Post #13 and reiterated in Post #29 that you COULD be scum, based on you being a noob. Was it dumb? Yes. But it wasn't outright saying you were scum, as B.K claimed.

It's completely unfair to test someone's reaction, and then say their lack of reaction is scummy, especially when the person conducting the test is exaggerating claims of "accusation." Again, one could chalk this up to poor logic, but for the same reason from earlier, I don't think that excuse holds up anymore. It's basically a test where Lunatic was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

4. The idea in Posts #56 and #61 that Lunatic, Pie, and Supa are all somehow scum because they "baited" those three all into "uniting against" them. Ignoring the fact that they're basically claiming Pie and Supa also failed their "test," it is ridiculous to assert this game has 3 mafiosos, especially in Posts #65 and #69 after being told in Posts #62 and #68 how unfair a 5v3 would be. And of course, it's all to justify that idea that B.K somehow "baited" 3 players who made an observation that B.K might know a bit more than thought into failing his "test." It's all way too convenient. To me, it just looks like they're expanding their lynch pool.

For someone brand new to the game, this game is first a maths problem. For all the rest of us, it's solved. We know it's probably 6-2. We know it's never going to be 5-3. But BK doesn't. He would have known if he was mafia. I also really like the fact that it's earlier thinking he's outlining for us. He's not posting just to post. A new townie would have been thinking about that stuff at game start. If that's mafia, it's good. 

This is not true. Mod confirmed you are a new player and I am not saying you are not a new player. Please reread what I said

Could you clarify what you meant, then?

1. I claimed I was new because I haven't played Mafia for a while, and knew I would probably do some silly things. My comment to Wylted was a good-natured jibe because I thought it was funny he mentioned Korea and not me.

2. Because it wasn't really relevant? My past experiences with Mafia haven't been great, and my abilities are probably barely above amateur.

3. Generally I find an aggressive DP1 play a towntell, and I'm more suspicious of lurkers. For the record, I still have my doubts regarding Korea, but I don't think he's an experienced enough player to be so active while not giving away some clear scum tells.

4. When did Lunatic tunnel pie?

Supadudz:

Who do you read as scum right now?

Why did you drop your questioning of me so quickly? You were very quick to question, and very quick to drop. 

I'm new too...

anyway currently reading through previous archived mafias to figure out what to do

Also this isn't my first mafia game btw, but it is the first one on this site.