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Please spell survey right before you make a survey poll please
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Well I just got a notification that it is for any DP/NP. I'm still willing to try it out but this gives us leeway
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UNVOTE VTL SUPA
MY 3RD ABILITY IS A DEATHPROOF IN DP1/NP1! My ability is confirmable this DP. Instead of Pie, we should pivot toward me to confirm my role. I also don't want to waste this ability by not getting targeted in the NP
This confirms that I am telling the truth about what my abilities are
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@whiteflame
I have a role that can confirm another role of mine in DP1, I need to just confirm if I can use it now
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@SirAnonymous
1) it would confirm pie if he does get modkilled which would prove he's lying
2) if pie is lying and the lynch goes thru, i will shoot pie in the night
i don't see the complexity in it.
2) if pie is lying and the lynch goes thru, i will shoot pie in the night
i don't see the complexity in it.
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@ILikePie5
My abilities are 1x Killing Joke (which is a 1x Vig), 1x Laughing Gas, (1x Jailer), and 1x The Escape (1xdeathproof during the night/day phase) Note with this I am not sure if it is passive for not with the Escape
Also, these roles are labelled what they are and classified in my PM. It does not specify what type of role they are
Also, these roles are labelled what they are and classified in my PM. It does not specify what type of role they are
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@whiteflame
We would vtnl if Pie actually DOES get modkilled.
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I am going to read behaviors once I finish submitting some homework, but I thought I'd my thought process in dealing with this situation
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@PREZ-HILTON
Realistically, yes, you have no reason to trust me because of TP. However, I as TP want to win the game and working with town is the best option to win the game
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@That2User
would the role by claimed work on himself for the hammer (would he be modkilled if he hammered himself)
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I am also not opposed to getting Pie modkilled as well with his role
1) he has a role that is essentially confirmable
2) if the modkill does not happen, pie should be the lynch
3) if pie does get modkilled, we can use that as our lynch and vtnl then. if the hammer goes thru, pie is our scum for lynch in dp2
that is what I am thinking to do
2) if the modkill does not happen, pie should be the lynch
3) if pie does get modkilled, we can use that as our lynch and vtnl then. if the hammer goes thru, pie is our scum for lynch in dp2
that is what I am thinking to do
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If mafia acted right, hey would not waste a kill on someone who is a Tp and can win with them. Scums objective is to kill town, not 3p who have the same wincon as them.
Sure I am actively going to side with town for the first two DP. But killing either Pie or I would not be optimal
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@whiteflame
Do not full claim at all. TPs are essentially joint win roles, so we should only be the ones to claim realistically for town benefit
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@whiteflame
I only claimed because it was a CC of a 3rd party to Pie.
I want to win with town because it is the most optimal way for me to win this game. I joint win town or mafia, but there is no reason for me to not win with town. So I am effectively a town JOAT because my allegiance is with town
I want to win with town because it is the most optimal way for me to win this game. I joint win town or mafia, but there is no reason for me to not win with town. So I am effectively a town JOAT because my allegiance is with town
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I’ll respond to all posts when my laptop is charged and back at home
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@Mharman
True but either way it begs the note. Anguish that your team sucks or anguish that you have a good team but proceed to fail in ever gaining a championship? I would rather have the first. You know your team sucks and expect nothing unlike the ladder where you expect do well but ultimately are continuous disappointment in the time it matters
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@SirAnonymous
I do not read Pie as town, but his response came off behaviorally as town. He still is slight scum for the CC and the claim itself
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My concern with Pie though is that we can not test his role because he claims he can get "modkilled," which means there is no way to confirm this. Is this intentional? The odds are so low but there are fingers. Behaviorally Pie reads town but in regards to his role it's extremely SOP/scummy. I am lost on what to do
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I am in class right now but Pie reads behaviorally town from his response to my CC, which means I think there is a possibility of 2 3rd parties. I have to believe Pie here because him suggesting a 6 v 2 v 1 and autoclaiming 3P when he knew it would be CC'd if he thought he was the only one.
Could he be scum and pulling a gambit? Absolutely, but the odds are so low I doubt it
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But... there is no reason to lynch anyone at this point. I joint win with any affiliation, so statistically speaking. I win with whatever affiliation is still alive so as long as I am alive so town is my best bet at this point of time
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While the possibility of 2 3P exists, Pie admits himself that the setup is a 6-2-1. Which now begs me the question, why would he claim that knowing that there is 1. I think Pie just baited me but whatever.
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@Earth
@Wylted
@Barney
@whiteflame
@SirAnonymous
pie is scum because I am the third party
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I am the Harlequin of Hatge (aka the Joker). I am a Survivor JOAT. I win with whoever has the majority of people on their side at the end of the day, so it can be with town or scum, but odds are I will be siding town statistically speaking and now that Pie is scum
My only goals are to create chaos and survive. I have 3 abilities which allow me do so.
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@ILikePie5
Countering this claim. I am the third party. I just saw his wincon is third party
VTL Pie
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So there is a third party in this game that is not jester? Interesting
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@thett3
These posts do not technically violate any sort of CoC rules despite the low effort they put into them so we can not restrict either of them
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@Mharman
I disagree. Wild's window is over. Twins are bad, and Wolves are not going to make it out
Detroit has a ton of potential for the future with their teams. Red Wings are a young team ready to blossom, Pistons are a young team ready to blossom, Tigers are a young team. Lions are bad but there offense hasn't been bad
Detroit has a ton of potential for the future with their teams. Red Wings are a young team ready to blossom, Pistons are a young team ready to blossom, Tigers are a young team. Lions are bad but there offense hasn't been bad
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@Mharman
My pick Minnesota.
1) Vikings are 0-4 in the Super Bowl, never won the big game are known for choking
1) Vikings are 0-4 in the Super Bowl, never won the big game are known for choking
2) Timberwolves have always been considered poverty despite the talent they had, literally celebrated winning a play in
3) Twins are 0-16 since 2004 in the playoffs
4) Wild are mediocre and have never been to a conference championship since 2003, owned by Chicago
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Not saying I was perfect in my play since my read was wrong, but I certainly had less flaws than you
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@RationalMadman
You are looking for someone to blame because you're emotionally weak and not going to improve. That's the reality of it. You cannot look at the game and go 'wow I was totally shit and that's true whether RM was RM or he was a player I enjoyed playing with more'.
Nothing about my gameplay was inheritently shit. I have admitted when my gameplay has been shit before so Lie 1
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3709-narcos-mafia-endgame?page=1&post_number=5I can admit when I am wrong. You can't admit that you let emotions take over that caused town to be disinterested in you and Pie's squabble because you tunneled him too hard despite Pie being completely right about the way the game should played
My job in the game is not to please you, my job is to pressure the enemies into mistakes and capitalise on those mistakes
When you act like a spoiled brat that won't listen to other and instead floods to forum with useless shit to get people disengaged and rush a lynch while playing anti-town, no one will listen to you and no one will agree with what you say because you actively sabotage town by going into a flame war and berating others
Pie has gone away from this feeling good that he outplayed the Town, not realising a major issue in how easily I read him on top of how invulnerable I was to being built a bandwagon on DP1
Pie played well because of you being an anti-town member. He capitalized on that, and he should be proud of himself for doing that. But you are to blame for him winning because you actively provided nothing to convince people in your point because you first said that everyone should claim PR, which is actively anti-town, then tunneled the entire game without even giving a lick of thought otherwise.
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@RationalMadman
I have won games as mafia, won games as townso what? You play practically every game, you get carried often enough to say that you won 2 games as either.
No I don't. I develop my own reads, that's why you think I am incompetent
have not had to be banned from games because of my behavior.I am surprised as you are the most dogshit lurker and blamer of others who kills the vibe of every game I've ever played with you.
This is real sweet. Kill the vibe? You killed this fucking game because your narcassistic, crybaby, and distracting demeanor. People encourage me to play in the games. You are banned from them because you act like a wise ass piece of shit where if someone doesn't go your way, you immediately are unreasonable. People loathe playing with you because of what happened. Town getting off put by your crude manner in which you play. Grow the actual fuck up and stop acting like you are something you are not. You got fucking lucky. You just tunneled Pie without warrant and were right because statically you had to be right about something with a 7 person game. You had reasoning in which you flooded the forums and were excessively toxic to others
You were right about Pie, but you presented yourself in a horrible, ignorant, and malicious way that disinterests the town.This is a lie. That is why nobody except you voted me, I towntold the crap out of myself and was probably the single least likely person to be able to build a bandwagon on DP1. Others were all distracted not by me, Supa but by you and your scumtelling, in fact I will @ 4 others alongside you to explain why they voted you and to decide which of us was worse this game so we can finally establish this LVP shit.
You were severely anti-town from my perspective and everyone in that game agreed because you forced us to character claim on DP1 which gave scum valid information to win, one of the reason why you are the LVP because you do not understand how you go about setups and mass claims. However, people do not lynch anti-town because they still town read them to which I disagree. A tumor is a tumor and if you are anti-town, you are actively contributing to the town downfall. I did not actively contribute to towns downfall because my behavior did not stand out and was anti-town. I'd rather be scum read than anti-town read because anti-town just means you are a tumor to your own team
I @'d Earth who didn't vote you but wasn't against doing it and lost the game for us DP1 by being as lazy as you were (though I admit the situation was so brutal and had I not read Pie so well, Mafia has near autowin actually if they don't go down NP1 so long as they recruit smart.Part of the process of town is convincing people of your points to have them voteAnd how well did you convince people to vote? Like how can you even dare say shit to me in that game? LOL!
By not mass posting the forums and explaining in depth about the reasoning. Also by not coming off as overly defensive of a lynch in DP1. Dp1 is all behavior and you tunnel'd someone for behavior in DP1 with no evidence and pushed everyone to CC. This bad logic made it so that no one took you serious
, which I have exemplified by having a relaxed attitude.Buddy, you were so incapable of getting people to vote who you wanted (which was me, by the way, you were the only person faulty enough at reading to think I was scum that game) that they voted you off day one and it was perpetually the bandwagon on you that Pie kept letting carry him to safety.
Because you were the spotlight of horrible play that town was forced to lynch me to have some form of success.
I get lynched early because I refuse to abide by metas that town/scum read me.You just said you know how to build a bandwagon well due to your attitude then admit this.I can stop there as nothing you said relates to skill or percentage being correct or townread. I have only ever been lynched twice in my memory on here:One was a game I was scum with a dogshit team in a situation that I was forced to cc the investigative PR and I actually won the CC, I was lynched the next day IIRC.Another was the poker game, where you ruined a near autowin final 3 by voting me for the other to hammer.
I have led mislynches on people as scum and have led lynches of scum. I also have led mislynches as well. I never once stated I was the best at doing any of these things. I know how to conduct myself (granted my wincon suggests something else) and I am able to stick by my values and gives reads based on my beliefs. Am I right all the time? No, no one is. I don't act like a narcisstic prick when I am right either
Edit: Oh yeah I was also voted that game Pie pushed on me DP1 for not claiming full when others hadn't even char-claimed.3 times, my bad, not 2.
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@RationalMadman
You probably have the worst rate of towntelling and correctly scumreading combined.
LOL
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6681-pokemon-indigo-league-mafia-dp-1?page=22&post_number=532
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@RationalMadman
I have won games as mafia, won games as town, and have not had to be banned from games because of my behavior. You were right about Pie, but you presented yourself in a horrible, ignorant, and malicious way that disinterests the town. Part of the process of town is convincing people of your points to have them vote, which I have exemplified by having a relaxed attitude. I get lynched early because I refuse to abide by metas that town/scum read me.
I am not the best nor ever claim to be and have admitted to the mistakes I have made while playing. You haven't admitted to shit and won't admit that your mass cluttering of forum posts caused town to townread Pie because of your irrationality making them believe Pie for acting more composed than you were. You derailed DP1 and were anti town for disinteresting townies and refusing to take a deep consensus into DP1.
Keep blaming others for your mistakes. At least I can take accountability for my screw ups
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@PREZ-HILTON
Town lost focus and only focused on the manner in which he carried himself, meaning that Pie would be townread no matter whatDumb for town to lose focus there. Just do what he says and stay focused.
Easy to say in hindsight
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At the end of the day, town had lost the minute RM had a fit of rage. Town lost focus and only focused on the manner in which he carried himself, meaning that Pie would be townread no matter what. Props to That2 for trying to get the lynch, but Pie had this wrapped DP1 when he put the hammer on me, which made me think he was scum, but when you are lynched there is nothing you can do. It was kinda of suspicious that he voted me without giving a true gage of my activity and that made me think he was scum. But Pie had that down the minute RM started to tunnel him
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