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@Lunatic
Also behaviorally he leans scum. I've never seen Pie so defensive about not giving out his claim when he is usually the one who is aggressive with claims as both. Makes me feel like he is scum and trying to manipulate town by playing against typical meta.
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@Lunatic
Which is why I am questioning that philosophy that I am putting into place. I am going with a safe lynch with Pie to confirm the following
1. The theme split is not Pokemon v Humans
2. Essentially town confirms Disc to a degree (as Pikachu is a protag)
3. Allows us to gather NP results on people we believe are suspicious.
It would also allows us to evaluate other claims since we now know some of those claims are fake.
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@drlebronski
Why do you want me to out my role if it is an important role you believe? Shouldn't I keep it quiet since I would be a prime mafia target?
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@oromagi
1. If Bron is telling the truth, I lose out on my role and are essentially an useless town confirmed member at that point. There are other ways of going about seeing dr affiliation. Cop results and any other investigative role in this game. Drlebronski's role is sus, but compared that to Pie's character and his overall behavior in this game, I tend to believe he is the more optimal target, since we have ways of seeing if drlebronski is scum or not,
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@oromagi
There are ways that we can go about looking at Bron besides lynching him at the moment
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Not willing to lynch Bron ATM, will be fine with Pie
VTL Pie
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@Wylted
I think oromagi is kidding, but if he's not, then he needs a sense of humor
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@oromagi
Fair point. Luna is leaning more town but I wouldn’t just rule him out yet
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I do think Narrator could exist. If the theme split is as basic at it is. Scum is Pie and Disc, however with such a clear theme split in mind, even if not given fake claims, there’s no way Pie or Disc didn’t figure it out and choose to claim Pokémon. I think Pie’s claim more sus, but I’m looking back at it and questioning the read I original read
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@oromagi
In all seriousness, I generally agree with your read on Lunatic with his claim, but my issues comes with the Cop. If he was not cop, the cop would’ve CC’d him by now. This means he is lying and there’s no cop or he is actually the cop. I tend to believe the latter so my read of Lunatic is fading
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@ILikePie5
I've been very adamant to not trust drlebronski's claim from the start since it's such a vague fake claim to make and have put him on my scum list because of it and yet you are applying this logic. If I were scum, why would I tell a noob to claim a vague character Enabler to make it seem like we are confirmed. Use some thought. There is literally no winning. I have a suspicion of drlebronski because he said Ash, and everyone knows Ash and it's quick and easy to assume Ash would be in this game and it happens to be I am Ash. I didn't out myself til I was the last claim like was told. In fact why wouldn't I tell him to just claim that Enabler with my fake role claim I make.
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Slight town - Wylted, oromagi
Null - anyone not listed
FOS - drlebronski, Disc
Lean scum - Lunatic, Pie
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@ILikePie5
If that was his intention, it was a failure to say the least lol.
Like I said, it's oddly suspicious, that's why I think scum is between either you or Lunatic. Do note you are still one of two people to claim Pokemons.
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Just read that Luantic is actually Officer Joy. While this makes much more sense, I don't buy it fully. Everyone had claimed every since I claimed Ash, and it could be very much possible that Lunatic saw Officer Joy hadn't been claimed and decide to change his claim to put more pressure on Pie. Though I doubt this is the case, Luna is a good mafia player and wouldn't put it past him. Still this does put more pressure on Pie because of his original claim that I already wasn't fond of. This also means that Disc starts to lean scum a bit more
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I'm not big into Pokemon like I used to be so not too familiar with the Indigo league. I had a shit ton of cards, but never followed the shows. Charizard does seem fake though
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Gonna reread this DP after my class and dinner.
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Let me make it clear that I don't necessarily buy the Enabler claim despite it relating to me. Ash is the MC and will be in the game. It could be a good fake claim to use and I used it in my game. I'm still sus of Lebonski
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@ILikePie5
I'd have to reread when I'm back at dorm but right now gut is telling me Luna is scum but have to reread
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@ILikePie5
Yep it is . I'm the man, the myth, the legend, Ash.
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@whiteflame
Others. In fact most people would assume that a certain person would be town by my claim, but I don't buy it
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@whiteflame
Because my character has been mentioned a few times in this thread
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@whiteflame
I'll wait until I am the last one to claim then.
Fair point with Luna, still have to read into it somehow overall and it reads more of scum and in DP1 as well, I don't think he is a bad lynch choice, especially for my reasons given
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Logging off for the moment. Going to be at class for most of the day today so won't be on much. Just some morning thoughts
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Whiteflame's character is odd. The Narrator as a character? That seems a bit suspicious in my opinion since most characters here are actual people or pokemon and not narrators.
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Suddenly this game went from a mafia game to a Pie slander. I'm leaning toward toward a Luna lynch at the moment. When he's town, fmpov, he usually critiques people over PM versus creating a post such as this. He also seems to also be going back and forth with Pie, discouraging town from looking into lynches actually versus gut pushing Pie. Needless to say, his vote of Pie for not wanting to claim when I have stated as town that I do not approve mass claiming is somewhat weird, especially in a game where people know the theme and can EASILY make up claims. I also have reasons earlier of why he was in my FOS and his banter with Pie is making me lean more scum.
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Like I've stated before and countless times, I am anti mass claiming. Giving scum more information to work with is ultimately bad and god for bid Ash is claimed, we may actually lose out on a key role if Ash is presumably town and a PR
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@Lunatic
Fair point. I might have taken the context of being weary as somewhat of a scum suggestion. Still that defense is still off. I don't think that I've ever seen you say to be weary of a few players in this game, which is why I still have an FOS on you.
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@Lunatic
I understand that but I am questioning the ability for you to decipher scum if in only 2 posts, you believe I can be in scum pile. If you were to say that now, I would take no issue into that statement since I had made claims that can warrant a read.
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Right now my lean scum in drlebronski with an FOS on Lunatic at the moment.
Everyone is null with a slight town lean on Wylted. While I disagree with Wylted's logic, Wylted as town is not fond of the Miller role and goes on the same shpeel as before.
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@Lunatic
I am going to be on high alert for pie, wylted, whiteflame, and supa.
You are on high alert of me with only 2 posts at the time of posting? Interesting read but fair enough to say the least
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@oromagi
OK, thanks.Let's note that this is unusual.An Enabler is linked to a specific role (such as Doctor), not types of role (such as protective); the Normal version of an Enabler is self-aware (and knows which role they enable). When the Enabler dies, all players lose the role that they are linked to, e.g. the death of a Doctor Enabler will cause every Doctor in the game to become useless.Essentially, an enabler is charged with the same level of self-protection as the ROLE he is linked to. How is a player supposed to know how to play his role without knowing the role he's linked to?I call this claim rather suspect and worthy of some kind of confirming investigation.
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I can somewhat believe drlebronski's claim, but I also find it hard to believe as well. I know that Enabler was used in one of the mafia games we played and it could be possible that scum gave it to him. I also think Ash is such a broad character to claim and the fact he is the MC means drlebronski could be trying to keep himself alive because Ash will most likely be some form of a power role
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I'm not really considering Wylted's logic. I get what he's saying, but to challenge the way most people and the most optimal way of playing on this site is not the best decision
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Hi everyone. Started college classes so been busy. The DP shouldn't have a lot of info, but better to reread than to not
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@Lunatic
Don't have a game at the moment. When I do I will sign up. Also I'm busy at the moment
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Was last scum. Poly claimed a pretty shitty role without telling me and essentially screwed us over. I knew I was gonna get lynched next DP anyway so I killed Pie. Thought my CC strategy worked, I can't control activity and a bad claim on the other side. Btw Disc was vanilla and Pie was a 50/50 bodyguard. I was a rolecop
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@whiteflame
You should sus me because I have a CC against Pie to a degree, in fact I'd be scumreading you if you weren't sussing one of us. Still, I think both of us can co-exist in this game but with me, you have to understand that CC'ing is a huge gambit for mafia to take because it brings more attention to you and puts you in the spotlight. As scum, I do tend to play more passive with my claims more than anything. I think the only time I've said blatent bullshit as scum was in live mafia where I claimed Medium and bullshitted my responses. Even that is not as much as a risk as doing a full fake CC.
Fair enough. I haven't check Poly's status but there activity is genuinely hurting the game
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