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I do not like oromagi's claim whatsoever. For one, I think Innocent Child claims are scummy as hell but I can't see how Julian Lane would be a innocent child
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Millers should be a last resort lynch unless we find a better candidate worthy of lynching.
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@Polyglot
Noted. Seems true to a degree, nevertheless the role is scummy.
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Injuries are a part of the game and a great team with depth can lose it's players and still perform well.Yeah the same way luck is a part of the game, and apparently the Nets don’t have that kind of depth because they traded it all away to stay top heavy (which backfired against them because of the injuries to Kyrie and a compromised beard) as for performing well the only real performer for the Nets was KD and even he couldn’t carry that load by himself, maybe prime LeBron could but KD ain’t that dude.
Preparation is key then. It should go as a lesson to many teams that forming superteams by trading away your key role players is a short term goal with very little payoff if things end up not going well
Teams like the Lakers and Nets stand no chance in the league for the future.I said nothing about the Lakers but since you wanna bring them up then the only reason they weren’t in the finals was the same reason as the Nets, injuries.
The Suns series between them was already 2-2 and was already close even without injury
And must I remind you Bucks were getting blown out down 2-0 before Kyrie got hurt and they lost game 5 (a game they should’ve won BTW), so if a healthy Lakers and Nets squad stand no chance in the league for the future that couldn’t be any more true for that lucky Bucks squad.
Again, sports is a game of next man up. How come when Giannis went down against the Hawks in game 5 or 6, the Bucks still won? It's because the Bucks aren't front heavy and have depth at every position and when the time is needed, they step up. You are also really undervaluing the Bucks roster as well. Middleton was great this series, Lopez was doing well, and Tucker was solid and even Jrue was good in his defense against guards. They didn't have the big name starts but they definitely had a solid core that could win a game or close a series if someone were to go down
Also put some respect on the Lakers Bron and AD literally made that franchise relevant again after a long playoff drought in one of the most difficult time periods
By trading away the young core to New Orleans and by throwing money around at big name stars for them to stay because they are a big market team? Sorry the Lakers were always relevant due to the history and location. Even if a team is bad (such as my Bulls), they will still be relevant due to their history)
(considering the aftermath of Kobe and the pandemic) so don’t give me don’t stand a chance because one thing about the Lakers organization is they know how to attract talent so who knows what free agents they pick up or what trades they pull off (I mean they got AD didn’t they and look how that turned out championship).
They know how to attract talent because they can throw lumps of money at big stars because they're a big market team.
Versatile teams with inked in stars are teams that can go the distance.If we’re talking next year then the Bucks don’t fit that criteria they got lucky this year plain and simple, although I do respect Giannis performance in these playoffs he deserves it but his team is not better than a healthy Nets team.
We wait. I don't think that Nets team is stable for a whole season
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I would agree with this statement. Living in a more stable community in Chicago, it is really noticeable the drastic different between black Americans where I live versus in more crime ridden neighborhoods here. Black Americans I meet at my school typically do well, go to university, aren't involved in any violence, and are doing well for themselves. However they know people that live in more poverty strucken neighborhoods performed worse, were involved in a lot of crime and gang related activity and such. I don't believe that intellect is an indicator of whose smart based on race, but based on living conditions
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It was a good mafia game overall that brought back mafia activity and such. Glad to see it
I disagree with some of the reads that happened (defensive=/=scum tell), but it was a great win for town
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@Tarik
With all respect, wtf are you talking about.
Injuries are a part of the game and a great team with depth can lose it's players and still perform well. Teams like the Lakers and Nets stand no chance in the league for the future. Versatile teams with inked in stars are teams that can go the distance. The Warriors are an example. They were a solid depth team until they added Durant, in which they fell apart as they added more star power. Giannis got hurt versus the Hawks, but were still able to finish the series because they had tremendous depth at each position. Sure the Nets didn't have their star power, but you have to adapt to that.
Injuries are a part of the game and a great team with depth can lose it's players and still perform well. Teams like the Lakers and Nets stand no chance in the league for the future. Versatile teams with inked in stars are teams that can go the distance. The Warriors are an example. They were a solid depth team until they added Durant, in which they fell apart as they added more star power. Giannis got hurt versus the Hawks, but were still able to finish the series because they had tremendous depth at each position. Sure the Nets didn't have their star power, but you have to adapt to that.
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@coal
Basic. Expensive coffee that 1/2 the time is ice. Nice study spot though if it isn't busy
7/10. Pass for now
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Correction, his logic against me was pretty stupid, his point on badger were good
I'd be weary of Luna but wouldn't consider him primary scum
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Lol overnight lynches love those
My role had no purpose. Last message since I have time is please look into whiteflame this game. Oro is likely town.
I'd sus Lunatic for his pretty stupid logic but he did lead a lynch versus badger.
Earth and Wylted could be scum
Poly could be scum as well but are neutral.
If I had to guess scum, it would be whiteflame, Poly, or even Chris
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Gonna be on my phone chilling so I'm calling it a night. Gonna try to read more in the morning but these are base reads
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1. Drlebronski
2. Whiteflame
3. Wylted
4. Oromagi
5. Greyparrot
6. Earth
7. Lunatic
8. SupaDudz
9. MisterChris
10. Polygot
Eliminating all confirmed town
1. Drlebronski
2. Whiteflame
3. Wylted
4. Oromagi
6. Earth
7. Lunatic
9. MisterChris
10. Polygot
I think drleb is town. He's nooby and thinking as a noob town. He asks question that seem nooby as well
2. Whiteflame
3. Wylted
4. Oromagi
6. Earth
7. Lunatic
9. MisterChris
10. Polygot
oromagi has done too much activity to be scum. He looks for theme analysis (town oro thing to do), sticks with his initial reads, and is aggressive about roles. He's slight town but again haven't seen oromagi play in a while so my metas might be rusty
2. Whiteflame
3. Wylted
6. Earth
7. Lunatic
9. MisterChris
10. Polygot
Wylted seems too far off in his own element to care that much about the game, it could be scum but it's also townie as hell from Wylted
2. Whiteflame
6. Earth
7. Lunatic
9. MisterChris
10. Polygot
These 5 i consider to be potential scum. Gonna remove all neutrals, which is Poly, Luna, and Earth
By default it leaves me co-mods, White and Chris left. These are not confirmed and I also do think Chris is behaviorally town ATM, so for me, I think whiteflame is my best option. I'll look more into it but it struck me odd that he went from lean town to then deciding to vote me when he had other people prevailing. I don't know his scum style or whether or not he busses, but he seems to hop on the trendy lynch at the moment and stick with it while going AWOL
Vtl whiteflame
Gonna put pressure first on whiteflame
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@drlebronski
You'd be right, but the only person who claimed before Badger is Greyparrot, who is role confirmed because he magistrated you.
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@Lunatic
However that ate game read on badger was EXTREMELY contrived and actually makes little sense.
I don't know what you want me to do about something being contrived? I can't just swear up a storm. Ahh scummy as fuck go fuck yourself fuck that. This is how I play the game and have been playing yet you never pointed this out
My read on badger was because of his derealing of posts to steer off topic, hesistation to claim, and jumping back and forth on who to lynch, all of which he did.
It seems like he hadn't read a single thing that occured in the day phase yet is acting as if he had.That combined with telling town not to hammer until a claim happened seemed like he was wanting to wait for badger to get back on and come out with some game saving claim that he could use it an an excuse to derail the lynch into a no lynch.
I didn't check how much time we had left, but rushing to lynches is stupid and I think is a bad idea and that's what I said. You can read multiple games where I said the same thing as town. Stop acting like I was derailing the train when I hopped on it lol
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@MisterChris
Nothing I can do. Don't feel like doing the research about the battle and I really didn't get the impression that my battle was a Strengthener, but it seems like what Lunatic is saying alligns with what my justification is. Pie has never been a good justification maker tbh
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I find it weird how whiteflame had me as a lean town but was very quick to vote me out of the blue
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I'd agree with Lunatic's analysis on Oromagi, but I also have to look at what he's doing for town. He's been the most active overall and tries to crack the theme of this game. I really don't see this much effort from Oromagi as scum unless he changed his meta.
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@Lunatic
I said the reason, but I'm not going to use a limiter role when no one has claimed a role yet.
Even so, balance wise, A 2x Strengthener makes sense with a 2x Roleblocker. You need one to counter the other
Even so, balance wise, A 2x Strengthener makes sense with a 2x Roleblocker. You need one to counter the other
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@coal
Favorite place to drink coffee?
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@Lunatic
Mine is along the lines. The stuff doesn't add up to the actual justification
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@MisterChris
Tbh my justification is not the best strengthener.
I actively outsmarted the Romans by placing skilled cavalries in front of nobles so they'd run away and fooled the Romans into thinking they had control. Because of my ability to outsmart a stronger Roman army because of my superior tactics, I am a 2x Strengthener.
I actively outsmarted the Romans by placing skilled cavalries in front of nobles so they'd run away and fooled the Romans into thinking they had control. Because of my ability to outsmart a stronger Roman army because of my superior tactics, I am a 2x Strengthener.
Not a fan of it, but I get what I get
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@Lunatic
I didn't. I said it somewhere last DP. I essential did not want to waste my role when I don't have the claims of people so I know who I'd protect.
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@Lunatic
I am talking about your response to me. You said "I was progressively scum reading him unlike you, which gut read him" This was kind of a snappy remark considering I led the lynch on the guy. Alsoit dismisses literally eveyr behavioral read I put into him after the initial read, which I told you at the time was only supplemental to his reaction.
I mean it's true though. Snappy sure but you can't argue because you had a gut instinct from the start
Then at the end of the phase you said "Lunatic is more likely town than scum looking at it behaviorally, but do note that Lunatic is also being more "engaged" with longer paragraphs does not write him off as town".So here you are admitting that the read was behavioral and a significant amount of effort was put in to the badger read, yet the second I ask you a question about something relating to your read on badger you got all snappy. Why is that?
You did not have behavior analysis before I made the post (or when I read the post). I said it because it's true. Longer paragraphs =/= town
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@Lunatic
i didn't vote Wylted because of it, but I was confused because I had a wincon
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@oromagi
But if scum have a roleblocker, it would make sense that as a counter that town would have a strengthener to counter that. Mechanics 101
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@oromagi
2x Strengthener. If I target someone in the night, there action goes through no matter what (unless they are killed). Said person is immune to all blocks, redirects, etc.
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I just realized that badger was a Roleblocker. This might render my role useless now
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@oromagi
My justification has a positive connotation despite the Roman loss
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@Lunatic
Depending the time we had and what he claimed, I would’ve kept my vote on him unless it was really convincing since I behaviorally read him scum
I wasn’t defensive when I responded to oromagi. I pointed out a mistake he made in the post and I have simply responded to what you saif
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@oromagi
That’s your meta and I respect that. I simply disagree with it. That’s how life is. In fact i town read you for it since it’s what your town meta is from my experience playing with you. We can agree to disagree on what meta is best.
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@Lunatic
I was catching up the DP after there were multiple post over time. That's a reason I voted him as well because of it. I wanted a claim from him and I voted him because of it. I've said that rushing a lynch isn't good and we should take our time and make an analysis. Since he never claimed, he got lynched. Simple. I was progressively scum reading him unlike you, which gut read him
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@oromagi
My meta has been to not force claims when they aren't needed. Especially in a Pie game where he does not have vanilla roles. There's no need to force claims at all
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@oromagi
- His stating that he did not use his power NP1 could be legit but if scum who refrained from kill, he might feel to explain why he didn't move this turn but will move in future
My role has a limit to the amount of times I can use it. It also is a role that I need information to go by (roles, char, etc.). I don't want force people to claim unless there is pressure to do so, so I waited on my role until there is more role claims given
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@oromagi
That wasn't a defense of badger after the FoS of badger, it was of lebronski and it wasn't a defense, it was saying that what Wylted said is true but it isn't a scum slip
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I didn't use my role last night. I needed more information in order to use my role properly because I can only use it a certain amount of times and to use it at NP1 would be silly
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@MisterChris
That's a silly reason to have a vote. It's a pretty minor lie and doesn't effect the game
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Looking at some of my reads I think there's a bit of some tells
1. Badger is going back and forth with a wide variety of people he is willing to lynch to do the same. He seems to throw these ideas willy nilly and also seems to "derail" the thread by disinteresting town with long ravings and ramblings to distract inactive town players from winning the game. I am willing to put pressure on him right now
VTL Badger (NO ONE SHOULD HAMMER BADGER UNTIL HE CLAIMS HIS ROLE)
2. Lunatic is more likely town than scum looking at it behaviorally, but do note that Lunatic is also being more "engaged" with longer paragraphs does not write him off as town
3. Oromagi hyperanalyzing the theme is somewhat typical Oromagi play, so I am not too concerned about it
4. Drlebronski has some interesting takes and some suspicious moments, but a lot of it can be written up for being a noob in all honesty
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@Wylted
Not a scum slip, but a good notion to point out.
Sus is used as a term in Among Us for someone who is the imposter in a game. He could be making a reference to that without knowing our connotation.
But the fact he randomly starts reading badger as scum but without reasoning to it and is not voting is a FoS
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@drlebronski
And I was just responding to that claim?
Why do you doubt I am scum? Give me reasoning behind it. It seems like you are overly confident in me being town
Why do you doubt I am scum? Give me reasoning behind it. It seems like you are overly confident in me being town
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Getting a slight scum read on badger. I think he's just rushing to get a lynch and not putting the effort. I can't say if that's his typical playstyle but it's scummy as fuck
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@Wylted
That's a pretty stupid reason tbh. I mean I can't be screaming shouts and cusses randomly at people. I hate to play this card but I can't just scream vulgarities now since I am a mod. I'd actually agree I'm more punctual, but also my playstyle has changed a lot
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@badger
You aren't wrong but aren't right either. OMGUS can be two different things.
1. SCUM caving under pressure
2. TOWN letting emotions control them
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