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@MisterChris
You don’t find is suspicious at all how he was so quick to VTNL DP1 and then jump on my lynch
Cmon I know you have had a bad game the entire time by scumreading Grey but cmon. He’s literally forcing a no lynch. I’ve been consistently on lynch trains and boosting activity. All you have is my role, which I said isn’t solid evidence
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@MisterChris
I literally was tracked to no one and nothing happened. I’ve been active this entire DP trying to engage town right now. Oromagi has gone AWOL after voting me and then hasn’t done anything and let’s the clock run down
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@WaterPhoenix
Yea. You have to use it this DP anyway and now that we were pushing a mislynch on me he goes dormant. Really has some scum tendencies behaviorally that got pushed down the drain because of my role
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@WaterPhoenix
Gonna switch my vote. I think oromagi is scum. I've stated why Oromagi is scum. Also now notice oromagi is falling back now that a mislynch train in being headed. If you use your vote on oromagi I'd switch my read on you. I think you should put it on oromagi
Unvote VTL Oromagi
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@WaterPhoenix
or you vote someone else. But your probably gonna vote me because it's gonna be the easiest mislynch
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@WaterPhoenix
Because you have too vote me now. The minute I called it out now you are gonna use it to lead a mislynch
And you had a 1x role. If you used the 1x role that DP and died, it wouldn't make a difference because you didn't have that role
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@Speedrace
Someone using actual logic versus dismissing. We fucking lose if Water is scum
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By the way I hate to push this card about me to try and defend myself but if you look at games with pie where i drew some sus on drafter for switching his meta but then pie asking for the meta because i felt it was scummy asf for someone to remember something long ago, i scumread tf out of drafter the entire game becuz of it.
Just know that my vote will probably stay on Water or Oro
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@Speedrace
Please give me your thoughts about WaterPhoenix and his role
I have a feeling you could be behind this as well. Please give some thoughts because you've been quiet this game to a degree
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I'm actually banging my head how you guys are not realizing that if WP is scum then town loses the game
It's most likely 5v2
It's most likely 5v2
We mislynch
4v2
NK happpens
3v2
Mislynch and lose
5 people left, it takes 3 to lynch
First scum hammers an innocent townie
First scum hammers an innocent townie
1/3 - townie
WP uses double vote to hammer and win game
Scum win
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WaterPhoenix didn't claim because he had the role and wanted to save it as longer as possible. WP as town would've used the role early on thinking that it is town confirming himself. It's clear that someone that has mafia experience is guiding him to do that or is giving him pointers
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Also note that I have also been trying to push activity constantly this game. As scum, the optimal strategy is too let the clock wind down and see what happens.
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If Water used this maybe in DP2 where he could've used it on someone, it would be different, but WaterPhoenix is saving his role til a MYLO where he can guarantee win the game.
Pie didn't even have roles that are common or usually based on affiliation. He used his own role list. A Judge is typical not what is described but that was WP. Do you really think that Pie couldn't make something like a Double Voter as scum and a Detective as town? Just think.
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@MisterChris
OK. We're low on time and I have to make a decision, so I'm gunning for Supa.
- SCUM is most likely between SUPA and SPEED based on POE. Refer above to my theory as to why.
Your theory is just looking at vote counts in DP1. That's not a theory. You were also on the lynch for the same reason I was on it. By that logic I could scum read you.
- SPEED is an un-cc'd TRACKER, while SUPA claims ROLE COP, a typically SCUM-oriented role.
Also note the surplus of 1x roles in this game. Oro is an even (or odd) night cop. There would an extra investigative that can confirm someone's role and give a lead. If someone claimed watcher when speed is tracker, I'd be sus of that, but oro has a limited cop and same with me
- SUPA has ignored my theory and tried to detract attention from it repeatedly by leading discussions on Oromagi and Water. I feel that TOWN Supa would rather stay focused on what we know for certain.
Your theory is not a theory. I have an actual theory which you denied which are feasibly possible. Water has a double voter. If we mislynch here and Water is scum, scum win because we go from 5v2 to a potential 3v2 where WP has a double vote. You just brushed this off and said nothing without considering. I am trying to tell you that you are being tunnel vision and are making bad reads this entire game. Please rethink this theory
VTL SUPADUDZ.
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@Greyparrot
I'm gonna bet WP is gonna put the hammer down and mislynch, then they get to a potential 3v2 and then WP uses double vote then scum hammers and then scum wins.
Chris is having such a bad game. He literally scum read you for ur meta.
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I'm fine with Water and Oromagi as lynches fyi since they are my top two scum
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@WaterPhoenix
if we mislynch today and there is a nk it's 3v2 hypothetically
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@WaterPhoenix
But now your at 5v2, where if we mislynch and it's 3v2, if you double vote a town then scum wins. It was better to use it earlier and I was waiting til when you revealed to it. I think you are scum just because I think it is a non affiliation indicative role that you planned to use for your advantage
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@Earth
@Greyparrot
Why wouldn't he use it though. He gets a double vote. We mislynch here tonight it's hypthetically a 3v2. It takes 3 to lynch.
If he puts 2 votes on a mislynch and then scum hammers it's gg
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Unvote Vtl Water
By logic and Water's role, he didn't even try to confirm himself at all. I actually think Water is much more scummy than oromagi now because of this
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I actually think Water is scummy as fuck now. He jumped from me to oromagi's train (I think Oro is scum but note if Water flips scum I think Oromagi is cleared). Water was trying to force a mislynch on me and put me at L-1 before the Dp died down and someone unvoted. He tried to get a mislynch off because if he were to mislynch, it would be hypothetically a 3v2. From there he'd use his double vote on me and then the other scum could hammer.
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Notice that WP actually didn't use his role til endgame as a 1x.
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@Earth
@oromagi
@Speedrace
Water could actually be scum. Unlike Chris, there's actual mafia utility in Double Voter versus the pacifist.
Think about it.
Think about it.
Why didn't Water claim it early on? Why didn't he test the claim from early? Why is he now wanting to test the claim when we are getting close to the endgame? Because it would be easier to force a mislynch.
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I'm just thinking about that Water's role isn't actually affiliation confirmed. He could still be scum. Hmmm
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Pretty sure Mitch McConnell said to get the vaccine
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@Lemming
So your gonna force them into facilities?
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According to Justin Trudeau, ala the biggest liar and hypocrite, he instates that if you dare travel outside your country and get COVID, you can not quarantine in your house, but you have to go a government facility in the country and cannot return?
Stop praising Canada for stripping away human rights for health purposes. People can quarantine on their own when they have COVID. I stopped the spread when I had COVID by staying home and not going out. Why strip humans of their liberties because they got a sickness? Is this seriously how you treat your people? By punishing them for getting a disease so they can't see the ones they love and are forced into facilities.
What a disgrace of a country. Poor Canadians
Stop praising Canada for stripping away human rights for health purposes. People can quarantine on their own when they have COVID. I stopped the spread when I had COVID by staying home and not going out. Why strip humans of their liberties because they got a sickness? Is this seriously how you treat your people? By punishing them for getting a disease so they can't see the ones they love and are forced into facilities.
What a disgrace of a country. Poor Canadians
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@WaterPhoenix
GP isn't confirmed, but he is a lean town for me
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@WaterPhoenix
Yea this is true. WP was the one I investigated and he got the same role he claimed.
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@WaterPhoenix
It's not his role, but it is someone else that saying gave him this message an ability. I'm calling bullshit on that. That would mean he bullshitted the cop too.
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POE for me it's Oro and Earth. I'm fine with either. It was them by POE from the start and this affirms my suspicions
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@Earth
Why did you choose me?
I don't buy this
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@WaterPhoenix
If we lynch scum today. It's hypothetically a 4v1 so we have 2
If we mislynch today, it's hypothetically a 3v2 so we'd have 1 either way. Inactive town on a 3v2 would cause scum to win. It's essential scum is lynch because scum could win next DP is a mislynch happens. oromagi knows that
If we mislynch today, it's hypothetically a 3v2 so we'd have 1 either way. Inactive town on a 3v2 would cause scum to win. It's essential scum is lynch because scum could win next DP is a mislynch happens. oromagi knows that
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@oromagi
I don't know why PIe said this but why would I make it up?
To get a mislynch. I don't know why
If I was SCUM, I'd feel like I was ahead of the game with two no-lynches and two PRs NK'd. I certainly would not feel the need to make up some improbable tale. Because such a claim would be idiotic as SCUM and at best buy me a lynch on the guy we were most likely to lynch anyway.
This is all WIFOM fmpov. There isn't a role that just gives someone a task and get a reward such as that
I understand it does not seem like normal rules and is pretty unfair to you as SCUM but I can 't control that beyond just reporting the facts.
As town, I'm telling you that it is incorrect. It seems like an extreme stretch to do but I do not rule it out. Plus it is not telling you I'm scum, but only that lynching me would result in that role. How do you know that it isn't 3rd party? I feel you are being too naive to lynch me. You've been on my train vouching for my lynch and it just seems to convenient that this role comes in and puts an incentive on me to do that
Let's also note that with 3 unclaimed roles, I am claiming COP with a WATCHER bonus. What are the odds that there would be a COP or a WATCHER to CC me if I weren't?
But you get a watcher bonus, not become a full proof watcher. There can be a BP in a game along with a vestmaker. Do you get it permanently or temporary. If you are town, it is not worth killing me and going into a probably 3v2 because it doesn't guarantee me as scum
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@WaterPhoenix
I think you are town. If oro flips, it is Grey and Earth fmpov.
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Oromagi is lying about his role without a doubt
1. He can either win tomorrow if he mislynches. If another VTNL happens there a chance that he doesn't win tomorrow
2. There's no role that just openly gives a role to someone for lynching them
3. That doesn't implicate me being scum at all. If it is a custom Pie role (which I think it is), if it were to ONLY target scum, it would be a bastard modding.
I don't think it's 3 though. Knowing I am town, it is probably not 3
I don't think it's 3 though. Knowing I am town, it is probably not 3
I am leaning to oromagi lying so he can easily win by forcing a mislynch. Even if there is a role, it is probably not scum guaranteed
Oromagi and Earth are my scum team right now. Let's lynch the liars first
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@WaterPhoenix
This isn't damning. This is practically lying. It is a hypothetical 5v2. If scum get a mislynch the game goes to MYLO. He is actual trying to bait you. Stop
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Bro what? Oromagi is so lying. Why would a mod actively say this?
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I think oromagi is scum for a couple reasons
1. suggestion of basic theming
- If we look at Pie's theming then we can see that he does not simply make those types of simple themes
- Suggesting a simple theme could be him wanting to spin a mislynch on someone
2. uncertainity of chris
- he draws uncertainty to chris's affiliation trying to open up the pools of a mislynch
- scum wants to draw a mislynch. they can do that by opening up the lynch pool or narrowing it down to two people with then leads me to this
3. contradicting behaviors.
- oromagi early on leans toward a vtnl despite having not much information on the game
- with the same amount of information given, he then tries to lead a lynch train despite being agressively on the vtnl side
it's also by poe. chris is town, speed is lean town, grey is a town lean, earth, wp, and oro are the ones i have in my scum pile by poe
if i am wrong about grey, i will apologize to chris, but i just can't see grey bein scum
i just feel oromagi's behavior is extremely conflicting when it comes to his votes and the way he votes
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@Speedrace
Fair analysis. I indeed visited no one since I used my role already. I have a lean town on you at the moment since you are un CC'd and I think with balance in mind. I think a tracker and then a 1x vig and a 1x detective would balance it evenly.
I would think that scum would not have a counter to tracking. It would be a direct counter to a role that might only be the no 1x investigative.
I think oromagi is my top lynch choice at the moment
VTL oromagi
I would think that scum would not have a counter to tracking. It would be a direct counter to a role that might only be the no 1x investigative.
I think oromagi is my top lynch choice at the moment
VTL oromagi
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I'm also gonna say that I don't think that this isn't the typical role with Judge. I thought it would be the one where you would choose 2 people and see if they were the same affiliation. As much as this was a huge blow for us, if he would've claimed earlier it could've lead to his mislynch because it is not the name that is typically given
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