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@oromagi
This would throw a dent into the entirety of Pie's theory since there would be Movies v TV Shows, but you are a combination of the two, so how would that be possible for theme split. If everyone is either movie or tv then you would have a character matches both, but in a different series. That would make no sense. I am going to ignore Pie's theme split theorizing
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Right now I have a slight lean scum on Pie. He's being more active, which means he's either a PR or Scum
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@whiteflame
As someone who hates pursuing claims in DP1, too soft claim a power role is ultimately claiming you have a role and you would've been dead either way. In forum you will be pressured for it
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I have some grammar errors in that but I hope you get the jist
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I am going to unvote
I have some pretty steady reasons.
1. We know that Lunatic has put in multiple entity characters in his games before according to drafter's recollection, which I verified to be to be true. Which means this wasn't a 1/2 minded attempt to fake claim
2. We know the risk of claiming a character that is an outlier that could be scum read. Speed admitted to this in the first post he made, suggesting he knew his character was an outlier and wanted to claim it in the same way an SOP claims due to the oddity
3. I do not think that Lunatic bastard modded the game to where there would be 2 characters from the same form of entertainment that are on opposite teams. The theme and characters are so vague and unknown, to have the same show for opposite teams would be considered bastard in my opinion for this type of game, where the characters are too vague to resort 2+ characters from the same show
3a. The more ideal thing for Speed to do is claim Scar, as it will draw less suspicion to his character, hence making it easier for him
3b. I personally think Speed did not look back 1 and 1/2 years into mafia within 6 minutes of the DP starting just to see if group entities are in the game so he could claim did this.
Furthermore, if Speed is scum and he did this, I would praise him, but I don't think that is the case
Ultimately, I think there's too much to risk with Speed claiming the oddity versus claiming Scar if he is scum and I don't think his scum teammate would allow that to happen depending on who he is with.
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@coal
This is an insightful question, and one I have been wondering about myself. If scum have characters that overlap fictional universes with town, then scum fake claims would be too obvious.That said, so far, everyone has unique fictional universes. I'm not seeing other Lion King characters on the list, unless I missed them.Further, speed's claim does stand out because, at least as far as I can tell, he is the only claim for multiple living things (multiple hyenas) as opposed to singular characters. But if this claim was fake, it stands to reason that speed would have recognized that issue and gone with a singular character from another universe. Scar is the obvious choice for a town-sided role within the Lion King universe.So, if Scar is in the game, I am comfortable lynching Speed.
This is what I am trying to say about Speed's character. Thank you for actually bringing inside versus others
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@Elminster
I talked about how I said death. Please refer to that post. I'm not going to explain it again and have this conversation
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@Elminster
Plus I’m miller so there probably is a cop in this game so unless he’s CC’d there’s no way he’s lying imo
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Nvm. VTL Speed
I’m the Miller, meaning there is probably a cop. If there’s no CC of that claim, that means he’s telling the truth. If there’s a healing role use it on Whiteflame tonight
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Unvote. I’LL be active later but I need to get lunch and I’m typing this on my phone in my car. I think Whiteflame is a better lynch imo
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@whiteflame
I don't understand how role claiming makes you less useful
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@n8nrgmi
I like how the minute I made a post about it you specifically make this thread.
You are delusional if you believe America does not have a lot of welfare programs.
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@whiteflame
Just full claim your role if you're gonna soft claim power role lol
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Whiteflame is a player that likes too push claims in DP1, and now he's saying he doesn't want too. Contradictory to his playstyle. Top behavioral scum read is Whiteflame and the fact his refusal to claim & his noobiness makes it seem like he is struggling to think of a character to fake claim. I am more confident with Whiteflame being scum than Speed, but I have no problem lynching either
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@n8nrgmi
the only welfare that exists, is food stamps
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@whiteflame
So if you do not want to claim you are soft claiming a power role then I assume
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Ugh now that I'm reading I'm now starting to think Speed is more town, but his behavior is still scum. He's trying to justify me not being a villain and then backpedals on his logic
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@Speedrace
Well, to play the other side. It's inverse mafia and Luna said it's a fairly easy theme, so you are a smart person and probably could pick up on the theme. Only thing that is throwing me off is that you claimed an outlier so quickly
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@Elminster
He also doesn't know the theme split, so it would be hard to fake claim.
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@Elminster
That's a fair point, but in the first post of the game to outright say that he is a group of people to me feels so odd. Why wouldn't he wait. And also if Speed is Mufasa, why would there be a Scar on the other side? I'd think that'd be sorta bastard for a game not themed off of a certain genre of shows. I also am not going to put it past Speed that he is big braining this play, so I still think lynching him is the best option this DP.
I'm basically asking do you think Lunatic would put 2 characters from the same movie/TV show on opposite sides
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@ILikePie5
I agree, but he was so quick to jump with the justification of hyena versus claiming Scar. If he was actually Mufasa, and there is a Scar on the town side, wouldn't that seem sorta bastard? Idk much so that's why I asked Mikal (no offense to you). I just don't see the point in so early on saying your claim is a group of people as scum knowing it'd be an outlier and you would probably get lynched
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To be clear, I'm still on Speed is scum. He's a vanilla and pushes no risk to lynching, but his role just throws me off.
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@Elminster
Only thing with Speed that's throwing me off is that if he is scum is why if he was actually Simba, would claim the hyenas knowing it would be an outlier. If he doesn't know the theme split and was from early on saying his character was a group, why would he claim that versus claiming Scar. While yes, the risk of being CC'd is a viable option, but I don't think it'd be proper modding to include 2 people from the same show as opposite factions
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@ILikePie5
I think Speed is trying to desperately grab at straws to try to defend himself. He is now trying to switch what he said so he can change what is claimed to be the theme split of this game.
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@Speedrace
You literally said that LOTR isn't even a show. Was your true intention trying to prove it's antagonists vs protag
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Speed is now trying to flip the blame onto me. I recall a time he did this when he was scum after I pressured him
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@RationalMadman
Only thing is I don't support isolationism. It's ultimately human instinct to get the best out of anything, but I don't think isolating ourselves from the world is beneficial. I do thing that immigration should be easier and the process can be easier and immigrants benefit our economy. I am very much Anti-Isolationism
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@RationalMadman
Most of the African countries of Right Wing descent are Extreme far bottom right, my stances is very moderate libertarian with a slight lean right
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@RationalMadman
Which is why I believe that basic regulations are not bad, but ultimately more regulations hurt more than they do benefit
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@RationalMadman
Core Conservative.
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What drafter said is true. As an outlier. I believe he should be lynched.
VTL Speed
If he is telling the truth, Speed is just unfortunate that he got an outlier. Life isn't fair
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@n8nrgmi
If you are going to call a group of peoples belief, "clowns," then you should stick to Twitter, a site where you can milk likes off your fellow Liberals versus a site for engaging in discourse.
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I dislike the merit of Speeds claim. For one, he didn't have a fake claim, so he was probably looking for a fake claim to counter that. The hyenas are multiple animals which is so odd for me in general because different animals can have different personalities. It's a weird claim and it's an oddball.
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@RationalMadman
Yes because corporations themselves have no power in dictating the laws of the people. Government has that power and at any moment can overthrow us if they obtain enough power. I ultimately trust corporation more than the government because ultimately I believe corporations work more for the people than government does
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@Sum1hugme
"Libertarianism is a family of views in political philosophy. Libertarians strongly value individual freedom and see this as justifying strong protections for individual freedom. Thus, libertarians insist that justice poses stringent limits to coercion. While people can be justifiably forced to do certain things (most obviously, to refrain from violating the rights of others) they cannot be coerced to serve the overall good of society, or even their own personal good. As a result, libertarians endorse strong rights to individual liberty and private property; defend civil liberties like equal rights for homosexuals; endorse drug decriminalization, open borders, and oppose most military interventions."
---Plato Stanford
For me, that alligns with my beliefs. However, I am opposed to open borders, thus making me lean right. I also believe that government should not fund any of these things and should be privately funded with some regulations
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@Sum1hugme
Do not listen to RM.
Libertarianism means that there should be less restrictions on the markets and legislation. Bottom Right Libertarians believe that they shouldn't tell others what to do, but also shouldn't be paying taxes for things they won't use. We believe the government needs to be more hands off. While Democrats want more government regulation, Conservative say to not trust the government. Libertarians say that government can be trusted, but need to be hands off in their affairs. If you are Bottom Right, you think that government regulation is bad for the country if you are an extremist
Libertarianism means that there should be less restrictions on the markets and legislation. Bottom Right Libertarians believe that they shouldn't tell others what to do, but also shouldn't be paying taxes for things they won't use. We believe the government needs to be more hands off. While Democrats want more government regulation, Conservative say to not trust the government. Libertarians say that government can be trusted, but need to be hands off in their affairs. If you are Bottom Right, you think that government regulation is bad for the country if you are an extremist
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@RationalMadman
I wouldn't consider myself a Core Conservative. While I do have some of those beliefs (such as less govt regulation), I do not identify with Core Conservatism. I also don't think we should lower taxes on the rich, but we should instate a flat tax where if you make over a certain amount, then you are unable to receive tax cuts. I believe a Progressive Tax is harmful to our society. While I do think the US itself should have the most priority, we should focus on other allies to help them. But I allign with the New Era besides the govt trust. I believe immigrants are beneficial, and while my religion considers homosexuality a sin, I do not believe it should be illegal. However, I do not support taxes that make it so we have to pay for abortions, gender switches. I believe that government dipping their fingers into these violates the constitution. I also don't have a problem with basic regulation, but overregulation is harmful
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As I witnessed the election and everything play out, from Trump to Biden and how poorly they are handling everything in the situation, I find myself drifting away from a political party. I find myself drifting to the bottom right of the compass
I am becoming more Libertarian
To put it simply, I trust corporations more than I trust government. Corporations themselves are the people with the biggest impact. With the recent fiasco with Robinhood, my outright anger at Robinhood and anger at AOC for dividing the party when there is bipartisan agreement, I lose faith in both parties. Thus is where Libertarianism comes in. Corporations think for themselves by using the people to compete. In short, corporations are the people who help understand the consumer more than the government. Government sits on a pedestal of authority, only to work with corporations themselves and them claiming themselves to be the sole masterminds of equity. It's deplorable. It's on both sides too. Ultimately, Libertarianism stands for the freedom, and less government control, and less of a government influence. There are ideas and beliefs of Libertarianism that are ideal, and are ultimately the best way to balance the corporations and people. It should ultimately be corporations taking the decision, while the government stays behind and only suspects. Adding restrictions to obtain more authority is one step closer to fascism. While then there is the argument that corporations are corrupt as government, corporations are not entitled to be "righteous." Governments have the intent to be righteous and work for the people, where ultimately they benefit themselves. The government should set base guidelines and investigate when needed too. I agree that some restrictions and laws (monopolies, freedom of invest, etc.) should be preserved, the less the better. Free market strive when properly managed.
The two party system itself is failing at it's core. Democrats will shove agenda and propoganda down the throats by shoving money at public schools to sponsor their agenda while Republicans will be sneaky and greedy, trying to take advantage by asserting dominance. These parties work for themselves and restrict the freedoms of the people. Libertarians are free people.
Invest your money in whenever, be able to cut hair without a license, etc. It's ultimately about freedom. You can have opinions, as long as the freedom you have isn't taken away. Of course, I remain bottom right, but I slowly have gotten more Bottom Right. I believe abortions should be legal, but not sponsored by the govt so that people who don't believe in abortion have to pay tax. I believe markets should be free with minimal restrictions, I believe that immigrants are beneficial and should have easier paths to citizenship and there needs to be reform. However, I don't believe the minimum wage should be increased. I don't believe social security is beneficial to developing an ideal society for unemployed.
So in conclusion, I've changed throughout my time. At first, I thought pure conservatism was beneficial, but as time raged on, I realize the freedom is the most beneficial, and Libertarianism is defined as freedom
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@HistoryBuff
Basic regulation, but ultimately, too much hurts the economy. You can never have a truly free market, but the freer the better
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@oromagi
You've admitted that left is ultimately dominant, but doesn't that mean the corporation will cater to those people more, thus causing an inherent bias to occur
I also think Conservatives need to use social media more to boost their platform, one thing about Trump is that he used Twitter effectively
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@Danielle
Wokists are flooding over the platform, so they are going to pamper to the left. Simple Economics that I have no issue with. People can be fucking stupid and companies will milk that (eg: Banning Trump). But to imply Twitter is not a biased site is simply illogical. Their small manuerism with censorship of DJT, but refusal to take down criminal tweets besides a fuzzy definition of DJT's in herently showing a bias. If Twitter were to censor people complain, there would be a lawsuit
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I need to reread behaviors and such, but I think right now we are taking too much of a theme dive for DP1. We all know what the theme should be, so even if mafia were given fake claims (which I know they weren't relax), they know what the theme is now based on our talk and can now come up with fake claims
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