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@Speedrace
I’d argue Avatar was definitely a swingy game, but Lunatic blatantly worked for town versus your team so that’s why you had a disad
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@MisterChris
I'll confess to being the reincarnation of Zeus. Bow down to your god
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@SirAnonymous
Yea it was mostly for you because you haven't been solid on any reads at all besides this one, leading me to believe you as light scum
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@Speedrace
@SirAnonymous
It's a pretty powerful and accurate justification. So you tell me
Also the messenger was to see reactions of people. You do it all the time? Why are you gonna scum read me now for it?
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@Speedrace
My justification is that I create a firewall around me in order to block enemies and can not be damaged when I'm in the wall
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@Speedrace
Yea so I lied as well. I was just getting a reaction from Sir and you (the self proclaimed "Master" of role analysis"). I'm a Bulletproof
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@Speedrace
So your VTL'ing off 1 thing only? How funny. Seems like your hunting for mislynches
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@Speedrace
Besides that, you hopped on a wagon lynch off piggybacking Lunatic without ever directly responding to me? Ok then
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I was about to type something nice until I clicked the video...I then deleted that comment
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@Lunatic
Not to mention the minute you push a read, BearMan and Speed hop on the quick wagon yet your tunneling me. Hypocrisy 101
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@Lunatic
Lol ok it's seriously not bullshit. It's valid and logic. I can't even think about things overnight without being scumreadNah the logic is shit, you agreed with me yesterday which is why you unvoted. You only re voted because you thought I was afk and wouldn't call you on the bull shit arguments, but here I am so let's do this. I only didn't respond because I figured you were wising up about it, apparently not though.1) He claims he is a pro but hasn't played in 2+ years. Metas and styles don't drastically change over time to where town believes it is acceptable to ask for mass claimMass claims constantly work in live mafia, and easily break the game almost all the time. His logic was actually right about that. The only reason I rarely advocate for mass claims anymore is because mods have been a lot more keen on giving fake claims then they used to be. Fake claims used to be pretty rare, but you almost have to do it these days because scum players are lazy and don't do research and just get fvcked. I can link you to a few games I've advocated for mass claims on this website. Asking for a mass claim is not inherently scummy. Also he was trying to create activity, like danielle said, so you can come in and respond to it.
Well I am anti mass claim and especially in a game like this. I think it's scummy from both sides especially in DP1. That's my belief. It is scummy because you out the town and have mafia able to understand role. I am always opposed to it and consider it scummy yet you are scumreading me off that alone? That's bad logic.
2) His passive aggressive response to people asking for more justification on Water. He claimed the same defense over and over when he asked for more evidence for him to read WaterEver heard of RVS? Your not supposed to explain RVS votes, it defeats the purpose. Water's response by voting him back was pretty scummy btw.
It wasn't RVS though. That's what your missing
3) After I interrogate him, he proceeds to OMGUS me because of it and gives no justification, leaving me to believe he was frustratedI think you sound more frustrated by the vote than he was. He was extremely calm under pressure, and even town read people on his wagon, that's the exact opposite of omgus.
No he wasn't. He literally voted me after I interogatted him
He probably voted you for the same reason I am, the fact that you are pursuing every stretch possible to pursue a lynch on the noobie, which is exactly what happened to me when I played on pattern. People love to dog pile the noobs, but let's be real here, this person isn't a noob. I am also like 75% sure I know who it is based on their playstyle too.
I wasn't pursuing a lynch until now after you are now deciding to manipulate the town into thinking using deductive reason based on the inconsistent evidence is a scum read
4) We are taking the position he is someone who knows the game but hasn't played. If he is acting nooby but has played, he is faking his noobiness to lead to town detriment. There's no way he believes that mass claiming is a good idea in any game he playedWanting to pretend to be a noob isn't scummy. I did it as pattern and was town. wylted did it with singularity, and wasn't scum read every game for it, even though we all knew it was an alt account. Why are you now just applying this logic toward ayyu?
Well I knew Wylted was Singularity from mod chat. You also said you are a noob. And yes I still think it's scummy and my ideas have evolved
In conclusion, Lunatic is basing a lynch train off me being consistent in my reads lol. Such bullshit
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It says that I am used as a source of light to guide Link by setting fires and I am one of the 3 potions that I can learn. Dins Fire can however attract people in the cave because of it's brightness. I am a 1x Messenger. I'm guessing that I attract people is me sending a mail, idk
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Well just gonna say I’m Dins Fire. I am a 1x Messenger.
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@Lunatic
Lol ok it's seriously not bullshit. It's valid and logic. I can't even think about things overnight without being scumread
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@BearMan
Why do you wanna lynch Intelligence?
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@Speedrace
I agree I don't get an Intel scum read. I think this Intel town play fmpov
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However, I will not be opposed to a VTNL if we decide to go that way
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Looking into with 8 hours remaining, I am going to leave my vote on Ayyantu. VTL Ayyantu
Despite Lunatic's response, this is not a easy lynch hunt on a noob. There are various implications and scum signs
1) He claims he is a pro but hasn't played in 2+ years. Metas and styles don't drastically change over time to where town believes it is acceptable to ask for mass claim
2) His passive aggressive response to people asking for more justification on Water. He claimed the same defense over and over when he asked for more evidence for him to read Water
3) After I interrogate him, he proceeds to OMGUS me because of it and gives no justification, leaving me to believe he was frustrated
4) We are taking the position he is someone who knows the game but hasn't played. If he is acting nooby but has played, he is faking his noobiness to lead to town detriment. There's no way he believes that mass claiming is a good idea in any game he played
His story and play don't allign. If he is someone who has played but is making assumption noobs would make means that he is possibly faking noobiness to get a town read
If he is an actual noob and is lying, for one he lied, but also it would make sense for him to try to attempt a mislynch. We know he's a debater on the site than an actual forum posters, so despite Lunatic's point, he's probably hopping on the vote in hopes he can convince town to get on Water (which didn't work).
Despite Lunatic's attempt of saying I'm hoping on bad reason, there is enough evidence and inconsistencies in Ayyantu's responses to suggest him as scum
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@Greyparrot
I agree to an extent but to Lunatic that's scummy lmao
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Really want to vote Croc out just cause of the 9/11 joke
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@Greyparrot
I've been pressuring him people literally had an FoS on me for doing it. It's a lose lose for me
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@Lunatic
I'd disagree. It remained the same. I was questioning him because I was confused about his behavior. I didn't shift my tone toward and in fact kept it the same. It's also pretty annoying when you ask his reason, and then says, "lol go back and read," and his only read is from a sarcastic VTLI find it kind of ironic you thought he was scum trying to push a mislynch when he was the only one on water, besides me at the time (I was clearly joking) but you are okay participating on a lynch wagon
I'm not on his wagon. I'm simply voting him. I don't have a problem taking him off because I find Bear and Sir FoS as well. In fact you're lowkey maybe shifting my view, but it's hard to shake that
on him with much more support.
Literally I was the first one to suggest he's scum with valid reasoning
If he was really scum going for an easy mislynch he would be on intelligence right now. The irony comes in when you consider that you are on him and the wagon is quite large, making you a hypocrite for doing the exact thing you are accusing him of doing as scum, but better.
Again no. I'm not on his lynch to be on his lynch. I have evidence to prove why he's an FoS.
Since my read has gone down to an FoS from talking, that means Sir Bear and Ayyantu are all FoS and potential scum so Unvote
I don't get what you're saying here. I have other option that I am considering, BearMan and SirAnon being my other peopleOpen minded in regards to your read on him, not other people. Scum have incentive to scum read multiple people too.
An FoS is not a scumread. A scum read is suggesting they are scum while a FoS is a sus moment, but not enough to contribute
I still don't get how I'm not being open minded. I've questioned other people as well and I'm not tunneling Ayyantu for a lynch, nor did I suggest we lynch him
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@Lunatic
Yeah but not only is your logic horrible, but your scum read on him seems to increase by him responding to you which makes you seem to double down on your read.
I'd disagree. It remained the same. I was questioning him because I was confused about his behavior. I didn't shift my tone toward and in fact kept it the same. It's also pretty annoying when you ask his reason, and then says, "lol go back and read," and his only read is from a sarcastic VTL
If you were town being open minded I feel like your pride wouldn't outweigh your ability to scum hunt.
I don't get what you're saying here. I have other option that I am considering, BearMan and SirAnon being my other people
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@Lunatic
Also I have never pushed for an Ayyantu lynched. I have voted him because I have an slight scum read on him, but I never said, let's lynch Ayyantu.
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@WaterPhoenix
Why are the scumread on Croc?
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@Lunatic
But the thing is he isn't a noob by his own acclaim, yet he's asking for a mass claim and trying to force reads in early DP. I know it's shaky but I can't shake it as him not knowing meta of town when he has played
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@WaterPhoenix
What are your reads?
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@Lunatic
I have a bit of an FoS on Bear too just from him saying his town reads are obvious. Do you read that the same way? Maybe I'm being paranoid lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I meant the memes
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Disc is a man of culture
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@Theweakeredge
Lol I love when people site the old testament versus new testament books. Also many Christians see Deutronomy as questionable. But ok then.
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Obvious town is not obvious lean-town.Obvious and lean are not contradicting adjectives.Obvious: 1: easily discovered, seen, or understoodLean: 3: to incline in opinionYou can be an obvious lean-town with perfect sense.
But you are not presenting easily discovered, seen, or understood. You are using the evidence you believe as evidence as a whole to match your philosophy.
Obvious is also subjective, not objective.
But it is not obvious and I disagree with this but I refuse to get into a debate about terminology
I thought everyone knew it was obvious, but apparently not. You also make sure to say I'm objectively wrong which is also false. If It is obvious someone is lean-town to you, it doesn't mean they are truly lean-town, it doesn't mean it's right, it just means that them being lean town is easily discovered, seen, or understood.
But obvious means it is known by all. This means it is not obvious but your opinion, therefore you are wrong
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@Theweakeredge
Never. Humans are the only reasons why death and suffering is associated with Christianity. God was a merciful and perfect god, who did not kill in vein
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@Imabench
How the fuck did people think Iowa would go for Biden...?
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#202 is supposed to say i don't think thats SOP
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@BearMan
You said this in a response to Danielle
I didn't make it up, I just said what was obvious lol
You are saying it is obvious they lean town? You'd be objectively wrong because it is not obvious since we do not know scum. You and I and everyone have different ways of beliefs to determine how we get to scum. How is it obvious they lean town? And even so you are comparing two opposites. Leans and obvious are direct contradictions. If it is obvious they lean town then how are they not town? The line doesn't make sense
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@Danielle
But what do I know - I'm over here voting for a claim when apparently the SOP on DART is to only cast day phase 1 votes for death. Weird!
I'd disagree with this. I think people put votes for claims, but are just more eager to lynch on DP1 based on behavior. I've seen a couple of games where once someone role claimed, pressure shifted to another player. So honestly I don't thats SOP for DART imo depending on the player base
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@BearMan
Well there could be another role that's similar to Tracker no one has CC'd
Speed is just your behavioral read which isn't obvious
Ayyantu is also a read. That doesn't mean they can't be scum
So you have a lean town on them
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I also have a slight FoS on Sir. He seems to be not really having direct reads at all and just seems to be looking for something to wagon on
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@Danielle
I know I've been a bit more on Ayyantu in DP1 than normal, but it's so hard for me to shake this as noob town when he has played mafia before but is suggesting anti town things. Idk
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@BearMan
Why do you assume it's obvious
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@Theweakeredge
The Christian God, which tells me not to murder under the 10 commandments proclaimed
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