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@LucyStarfire
If this results in war so would waiting for them to nuke Israel which they would have done once they had full capability.
It's extremely doubtful anyone wants to get involved and be nuked themselves though
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@LucyStarfire
It wasn't war when Clinton did it. They pretty much have to take out shit and cry about it
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@Mikal
To top it off I’m sure they are hoping for a regime change and destabilizing Iran is the way to do it.
They know Iran will definitely nuke Israel in an unprovoked attack. They just aren't going to be allowed nukes despite continually rebuilding them and just praying we eventually vote for some pussy as president who is also naive enough to believe Iran will hold nukes as a deterrent.
George Bush did this as well by assassinations of nuclear scientists or paying them to leave Iran and come to the United States in witness protection like programs as well as literally hacking Iranian nuclear facilities to make them essentially self malfunction in a way that starts them at zero. Which honestly could have happened indefinitely but Israel turned the virus into a worm so it became easier to detect.
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I think we just bombed their nuclear facilities. It isn't war. Bill Clinton would do these all the time. Essentially drive by bombings.
Trump essentially has the same policies as Bill Clinton but with harsher rhetoric
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So what is the woman's game here? She doesnt even want him as her boyfriend, but she doesnt want him pleasing himself in any other ways either, but wants him to keep begging her for love he will never get from her?
Your first mistake is giving a shit what women think.
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AI girlfriends exploit nobody other than...... now whatever foreign actors have access to that database have tons of blackmail material on you including deep personal knowledge of your most fucked up kinks which unfortunately involves children and torture.
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@AdaptableRatman
I doubt Casey actually identifies as she, until told I will call Casey he or they.
I asked her directly and she said she and this is the Internet it's best to take people at their word
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@Mharman
that wasn’t enough, the claim checks out. Looked up the character. She seems rather unremarkable, outside of the unhinged things she said. Idk what’s role she could be other than “hated”
All feminists say unhinged things
"Sex is rape"
"Men should die of Covid"
"We should have equal rights"
Like shut up bitch . Make me a sandwich
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@Swagnarok
Can you (non-jokingly) summarize your politics? What do you believe? What reforms do you want to see happen in America?
I am a Paleo conservative. I would like to see a lot of reform in the criminal justice system via an abolition of things like plea bargaining and Alford pleas. The state should be forced to prove your guilt.
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@Greyparrot
That's a good one. Like bitch just make serial fish without the dyes. I don't give a fuck if they look brown. It doesn't effect the taste.
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@Greyparrot
What will big pharma do to stop RFK?
Create billion dollar ad campaigns disguised as unbiased third party organizations to brain wash the public into thinking all calories are equal and that cancer causing dies and food preservatives are necessary to keep food prices low and then throw shade at the scientists who have proven the dangers of those preservatives and dyes
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@ILikePie5
What are your thoughts on ICE
They are doing an incredible job, now that president Trump has empowered them to do so.
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@LucyStarfire
I already know your opinions. You hate gays, trans, muslims, non-white migrants and pedophiles.
I don't hate them I just don't treat them like children
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Ask me about my policy preferences or political views. I am working on being more direct and removing rhetorical flourish even if it costs me my ability to persuade .
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@n8nrgim
You have a point about the dead relatives actually and there seems to be something to that
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@fauxlaw
Some of those claim they cannot write a decent story without shrooms, alcohol, depression... If they can't do it on their own, that's just denying the utterly natural high that can be available by effort.
So your theory is that elaborate afterlife stories when people have NDAs are to be believed but nearly the same story in people who take shrooms which create the same reactions in the brain are to be distrusted?
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It can't replace debaters unless you use a local model to get around guardrails.
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@AdaptableRatman
I agree with strong emphasis on "usually"
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My only fear is that he is taking the bully victim narrative and transferring it to a god where God is the victim and he needs rescuing from things that offend him like vulgarity and selfishness
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@Mikal
The savior thing is the bully victim narrative. Psychologically he divides into victim and bully so he can feel like a savior. It's a feeling of power he is seeking. I probably can't break down his psychology too far out of fear of breaking some line that gets too personal
Watch for it. Every interaction he is defending an invisible victim. In this thread the invisible victim is a phantom 13 year old that could see Casey's photo. Reality is a 13 year old won't notice it in detail but he needs a bully and a victim to feel like a savior
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@Mikal
I’ll be the first to say no one’s perfect. But if you spit it out, nut up and take it back. People that spit out and then point fingers and claim to be the victim. Very little empathy lol
There is a pattern I noticed in people that really disgusts me and only because the most disgusting people engage in it. In fact you get whole blocks of certain groups doing it.
They know you are a human and have empathy so they also assume your niceness is weakness. It's a pattern prevalent in the ghetto where I was raised.
They will walk up to you and try to bully you or it is some soft robbing situation "give me your shoes" and then you punch them in the face and they are now victims. "You are bullying me" etc.
It's the same shit on the world stage. Whether it be 9 11 or some other terrorist attacks with extremely savage and disgusting acts. As soon as there is retaliation then they become victims.
It is extremely disgusting it's the bully-victim switching back and forth in the same person who is looking to feed off of real humans who have empathy and kindness.
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Maybe the alchemy of religion has just begun to work on his soul and the psychological fantasy of being some sort of savior will be replaced by the humility to know that only Jesus is savior.
He is at the beginning of his journey so I wouldn't judge too harshly.
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So like in the grocery aisle we might say "look at the sale on watermelons. Don't let Canadians know watermelon is cheap here, we'll have to find a new grocery store"
Or maybe we say "I would never cheat on you with a Canadian I don't care how big their dicks are you need to be worried about your brother or best friend"
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Also I thought we took porch monkey back. Is it a black thing again?
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@Lashwnda
Come on people, I know some of these slurs done slipped my mind. Lets brainstorm.
We need a comprehensive list for the new word filter. I know in public with my wife. When we bitch about blacks we just say "Canadians" so that we can continue talking about them even when they are near by.
So maybe ban any reference to Canada or canadians
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@MayCaesar
It's hyperbole and it's easy to try and ignore the argument by pointing to hyperbole thatatches the hyperbole of the left, but the left is essentially arguing that if farmers have to pay a fair wage than the economy will collapse and so are essentially advocating for abusive and exploitative practices that are easy to get away with when you are dealing with non citizens.
They are simultaneously arguing that the economy will collapse if farmers pay a fair wage and treat their employees fairly while simultaneously arguing that minimum wage should be like $20 an hour
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@21Pilots
Best name suggestion yet
How about DebateCraft?
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@AdaptableRatman
it looks like gore torture or rape is about to take place. It has no place here.
Casey is so sweet and innocent. That's hard to imagine
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If I don't know where that image is from I doubt a 13 year old would
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@Casey_Risk
Would you play peekaboo with a child and put your hands in front of your face sicko?
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@Casey_Risk
Dang man it must be corrupted let me see if I can find another face and hand
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@Casey_Risk
Because it's a face with hands in front of it. Would you let a 13 year old view this pic?
It's terrible. Seeing a face with a hand in front of it can be traumatizing
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It looks like a face with hands in front of it, like John Cena or something. Yes it should definitely be banned lol
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What do you make of people who do shrooms and hallucinate elaborate stories
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@Savant
Your argument is still utilitarian,
If your ethical framework is utilitarianism, obviously I would try to appeal to that I am not currently interested in a debate on it for the most part but I did want you to know you are either intentionally or instinctively using that argument so if you were interested at a later date you could research more into that framework.
If you were purely arguing based on principle it would be irrelevant to you whether the people there repair their economy.
It's irrelevant to me, but if I feel like it is true and relevant for you than it should be okay for me to argue for it, should it not?
Also earlier you said earlier sweatshops were unjustifiable, now you think it's not suffering enough? What? Every rich country started with people earning low wages. Even rich countries today are getting richer. If desperation was needed, ever country would plateau.
Here this is important to discuss.
Yes suffering a little can wreck your ambition. If you are fat and comfortable you aren't going to lose weight, but often people have to suffer more. They need the heart attack or to almost lose their kid because they can't run fast enough to push them from in front of a car. They need to actually increase their own suffering to avoid a fate worse than suffering, which is stagnation. So yes I am advocating for more suffering because I think the long term effects are happiness and or freedom.
Yes the rich countries will fall if they are not willing to voluntarily suffer. Its literally the history of why empires rise and fall. It was an unwillingness to suffer that caused Rome to fall, that caused the British empire to fall. America also will fall if we aren't okay with suffering.
You are pointing it out here. If illegal immigrants leave yes they will suffer but so will we and if we aren't able to deal with that suffering than we will keep seeking comfort because Karen is too good to work at a slaughter house for minimum wage. Or we want cheap shit so we will seek comfort and kill American jobs so we can have 3 televisions in our homes instead of one. So yes rich countries unwilling to suffer will die and a people willing to suffer will become dominant. Perhaps India. Indians are not afraid to get their hands dirty and bust their asses
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@AdaptableRatman
I am shifting on the individualism a bit. After taking a wider view of it, I think I was wrong. I see myself as an individualist and the left push for a collectivism of sorts so I though we were dealing with runaway collectivism but it's different they are not pushing for a welfare state or lawlessness as a result of a desire for collectivism they want welfare and degeneracy to be safe doing whatever they want with a fallback plan or without consequences. So it's perhaps not individualism that is the savior of mankind but in fact the problem. Places with strong communities don't have these problems with degeneracy and begging for handouts.
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@Savant
Okay, let's say you go to a place where everyone is paid a dollar a day and implement a $10 an hour minimum wage. Then all the businesses leave and everyone there starves. Is that a good solution that follows your principles?
As far as being a local politician no but foreign countries shouldn't trade with them unless it is a resource we can't create at home.
They can grow food and trade locally. Make shoes. They have the same resources as anyone else and can make things happen locally. I mean the Jews live in a desert and are pretty self sufficient.
If you make them reliant on $1 an hour they will never suffer enough to solve the problems that are keeping them from becoming a wealthy people. It's the problem with this sort of help in general. It takes away desperation which is needed for radical change. It's breads and circuses but a much more pathetic version and you are still thinking like a utilitarian in how you are analyzing this problem.
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@AdaptableRatman
Dude by your logic how would a child of a tyrannical Muslim family ever escape and change?
This is a fair question and one I need to consider. We have this thing happening where Muslims are immigrating too fast and it risks spreading radical islam everywhere. But how would one escape?
The answer is uncomfortable because I think it is massive efforts to westernize middle eastern countries and it's uncomfortable because I think it's the right thing to do but would be done the wrong way. So my answer is a strong effort to spread out cultures and I think it should be an effort by the United States government to spread Christian values even if they can't spread Christianity to those nations
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@Savant
Yeah, which is what people who want to blindly shut down all sweatshops don't really understand. You have to compare the system to the alternatives.
WTF I thought that would enlighten you to the problem with your mentality. I will give you credit, you are being ideologically consistent here. I think then we would have to shift the argument to our different axioms now that I know you are consistent. My argument was more about principles and you seem to have a more utilitarian perspective. When I do humor a utilitarian perspective it is extremely localized.
I will say that utilitarian things like you suggest of keeping sweat shops and illegal immigrants, I believe are short sighted and only help in the immediate future while more disruptive change would create more good long term as people would be forced to come up with principled solutions
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@AdaptableRatman
Wylted has said it is some axiom That your parents always care the most of anyone for you. That is a lie and ironically was not true for him, himself.
My parents probably did. I never said they didn't love me, they just weren't very good parents.
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@Savant
Not really. Other industries exist, often complemented by immigrant labor, and illegal immigrants are rarely doing the highest paying jobs.
Chinese children in sweatshops aren't taking high paying jobs either and the money probably helps their families survive. I am sure this also benefits the steel industry who helps build sweat shops
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@Savant
So we should deport the vulnerable population and send them to the country they don't want to live in?
They are vulnerable here because they are illegal aliens. They aren't easy to exploit when they have legal standing in their country. I am sure even with the exploitative practices they are better off here, but it doesn't mean their country is better off without them or that we should betray our own principles of treating workers fairly
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It's also kind of an admission that American workers would have more and higher paying jobs available if mass deportations happen when you claim that these industries will be wrecked because they have to pay higher wages and treat workers fairly.
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@Savant
A lot of the arguments against deporting them that are meant to appeal to conservatives is that American workers would cost more, insinuating that they are currently paid slave wages. So it does feel like they are saying that our economy depends on exploiting a vulnerable population with not much legal protection from employers. It's a response to one specific arguments that liberals make and it's us saying that we are principled and would rather the economy completely collapse than to rely on paying illegals below minimum wage.
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@AdaptableRatman
Most companies that want to be that intrusive will just require you to have a top secret clearance and if you go through the process of that the government won't ask for access to things like email but people swear up and down with TS clearances that it felt like the people interviewing them in the process were aware of email communications.
I anticipate the higher you go the more intrusive it would get in the private sector but I seriously doubt any company would ask me for access to my email account. If they did I just would find a different company unless the pay was insane.
Anyway it's hard to know where you end up. The degree is in cyber security but I probably have to start at the bottom like anyone else and the opportunities could be in other places like networking .
I want to attempt to get closer and closer to protecting medical equipment though. They are very vulnerable and a serious threat if any terrorist wanted to target medical devices or specialize in them
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@Castin
I did also offer a fair compromise by suggesting word filters. So that way we are protecting those sensitive to certain words while also not jeapordizing our ranking on google
Word filters also do not count as an attack on free speech unless you get more ridiculous with it than I am anticipating is likely. So any topic could be debated but you would have to choose your words wisely
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If op is saying that God has power over life and death while Satan is too impotent to have that power than why would anyone worship Satan?
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@fauxlaw
A prayer metaphor to build walls?
Well it's supposedly from Satans perspective so I could see how he would see prayers as walls that protect people from him.
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@Castin
It did drop that far. You were here with BSH1 and saw how active and superior debaters were. Do you not remember?
And as far as debaters are concerned it's hard to have good debates on a very narrow range of acceptable opinions. We also miss the opportunity to deradicalize people if they are chased off the site before they have time to get their premises destroyed.
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@Mikal
I appreciate that and if you guys ever wanted a cyber security expert to weigh in on some political things in the news such as the signal leak or Russian hackers I can provide an expert opinion or closer than what's easily available. By the time you guys get that organized I will have a BS in cyber security in 5 months.
My perspective is probably more moderate as well so something both sides can chew on because naturally the more nuanced a person's views are on a topic the closer they move to the center with it or at least realize how most sides are wrong.
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