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If you only made 2 or 3 choices and none of them made it past those rounds it's because your preferred candidates were not popular enough to win. That's the exact same thing that happens now, except now you only get one chance to pick a candidate that might win. You have yet to explain what the issue is.
Not really because most areas have a run off election between the top 2, if nobody gets a majority. This means that if their candidate isn't chosen they have a chance to reanalyze the top 2 candidates to see who is better.
Doesn't appear to be any citations in this thread.
I will give then in my next post to you
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@Barney
Yes they would which means they are basically scum confirmed if there is no quick lynch
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@Savant
Wow, that's awesome. Out of all the people he could have raped he chose you. You are very special, I wouldn't tell to many people though. If word gets out he may not have much of a chance to be the next president.
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So now your issue is that we would have to many choices?
Correct. More choices lead to less informed voters and outside of the political realm has been shown to cause worse decision making and there is no reason to think the political realm is some magical place where things work differently than with everything else
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@Double_R
It doesn't throw 53% of ballots in the trash, that's just nonsense. You're talking about people's fourth, fifth, sixed, etc. choices not being counted, which the current system doesn't even consider in the first place so I don't see what your issue is.
No, I am telling you most people just make 2 or 3 selections and their votes being exhausted when there are 6 or 7 candidates.
This is likely due to actually not having the time to thoroughly research a shitload of candidates.
As with any new system, there will be bugs when it is first implemented but if it is a good thing we will learn and improve as we do with anything else. There is nothing inherent to RCV in this example that couldn't be easily fixed.
Most of my citations were from Minneaopolis and St. PAUL Minnesota who have had RCV for over 10 years.
No, if you cared about finding a practical way to solve the problem then you wouldn't call it a pain in the ass when your assertion that there is no practical solution is challenged, in fact you would welcome that challenge. That's all I said.
It iisn't challenged though. It's just normally a bare assertion that it can have practical solutions without offering them.
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It Is not gay to have sex with Sean Connery
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I was wondering why despite conservatives saying they were so eager for the Epstein documents to be released they suddenly claimed up about it.
I thought one document was released like 6 months ago with a bunch of celebrity names all over it. Is there more documents?
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As a father of two 7 year old twin daughters, I am absolutely disgusted that Joe Biden would rape someone else's 7 year old daughter.
How dare they be a human sacrifice to Biden. I wanted to sacrifice my own daughters to the Biden God. I wanted Biden to marry my 2 daughters at 11 years old (both of them). I believe he respects women so much that I'm willing to put my own daughter's life on the line to prove my point (and it's not their choice; it's mine). The way men protect their daughters is by giving them to joe Biden; sure he may have underage sex with them (rape and pedophile are discriminatory terms to target the marginalized acting pedophile and rapist community that need our help during their systemic oppression) but think about it; Joe biden is rich. My daughters will never have to starve again because they have a millionaire protecting them and making sure they don't go hungry; they will have plenty of millionaire sperm to keep them full.
Now, I sincerely hope Joe Biden takes my daughters and protects them by filling their stomachs full of nutritious sperm (his sperm is so awesome that a mere 2 ml is enough to have their nutrition needs met for an entire week). Any doctor that says this is false is parroting false fake news narratives and we can't trust the government doctors on what's healthy for you. BIDEN's diet is so perfect that it condenses all of the nutrients my emperor God king consumes into an easier to digest jack off that will keep my daughters alive (I could feed them, but I am poor from spending all of my money on biden sneakers and biden cards and by buying land in heaven because God is real and only Satanists disagree. Whatever my pope says is correct is correct). My daughters may demand I get biden to stop, but I'm only doing what's for their own good; consuming the super nut of biden. My wife disagrees with this, and that's because she is a DINO and a crazy radical Maga republican. . She's breaking up with me over this decision (which is crazy because women shouldn't be allowed to divorce a man). Men's finances must be protected, we have to spend our money on helping Biden beat the deep red states because the millionaire doesn't have enough money to do it by himself! DINO Deep red State SCUM!!!
Biden is probably too busy to read this, so I hope he responds to this email by calling me at my phone number 420-867-5309.
Biden; please save my daughters with your glorious nuts and sausage!
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@Mharman
Dude I haven’t taken any high school math classes in years, so shit. I did last a stats class last year in college tho. I was decent at that.
I am doing stats class now
Why?
The math we do at a subconscious level is far more powerful that Calculus. Just look at the math required to catch a ball
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@FLRW
My wife just reads this and she told me to tell you that she does have are a very particular set of skills, skills she acquired over a very long career, skills that make her a nightmare for people like you.
I did say most, so she must be the exception.
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@Mharman
So I’m gonna try to listen to others more and keep things a bit simpler (Occams Razor and all). My gut tells me something’s off, I’m not gonna try to look for something that satisfies it, I’m gonna listen to my mind more.
How good are you at calculus?
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@Mharman
They all essentially seem to ben1x with Barney's being the exception.
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yeah so we lynch casey and we can 100% know who scum is, especially if any refuse to help with the lynch. It either town confirms somebody or scum confirms them
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@Discipulus_Didicit
so how many scum were on the lynch last dp? I assume you used it or no?
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I think I could beat the shit out of most women. Not to brag.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
good, I want to just lynch. I know it is safer not to but honestly why not just kick ass right here right now
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A response to some of the homophobes here who agree with the opposite side of this issue https://youtu.be/51P7HH8R1l8
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In the following video I do personally show a user how to improve their arguments using chat GPT. https://youtu.be/BOhFoul9WXU
Essentially though, chat GPT can be a powerful tool for improving debate performance and should be embraced. It is not a substitute for research or creative thinking but it will help none the less and gets you quicker more relevant results than Google usually does, and just like Google you still have to verify what it gives you is true.
Studies show that Chat GPT increases writing productivity, and has been conclusively proven to improve the quality of writing. https://news.mit.edu/2023/study-finds-chatgpt-boosts-worker-productivity-writing-0714
I would argue that new debaters are not using chat GPT enough. Use it. Use it often and, once it improves your quality to the point of being as good as those who are in the habit of writing higher quality debates........
Then and only then, may you find chat GPT to be a hindrance to your ability to write good arguments.
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@FLRW
first comment on the video. Good luck disproving this gentleman, whoever it is;
Matthew 19 12 ️️️ says God prefers same-sex marriage and confirms transgender people are born that way.Anyone saying otherwise won't be here much longer.Male or female is determined by gender located in the soul not sex characteristics.Male and female are called genders. Man and woman are called sexes.The bathrooms are fine for people that transition to use. But a man that transitions to a woman is still going to be naturally stronger and does not belong in women's sports. It's about being fair. I am Elijah of Malachi 4 the forerunner to the return of Jesus.JESUS was TRANSGENDER ️️️, a female man returning as a female woman in a lesbian relationship with a male woman.
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I am impatient but seeing as how town seems to be on the right page now with barney and casey, and I don't have to fear anyone fucking up if scum make the mistake of killing me, than I am fine with a VTNL. I will caution everyone to be very skeptical of results in MYLO/LYLO
Last question. Are we just assuming 2 scum and risking losing the game with a no lynch? Or do we know for a fact it is 2 scum?
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@Double_R
The only time this becomes a pain in the ass is if you have no interest in continuing the conversation, which would imply that you don't really care about addressing the issue you are purporting to care about.
caring about practical ways to solve a problem means you don't care about the issue?
Moving on... The claim is not so much that it would harm the political parties, but that it will change the political parties because they would be forced to adapt to the new reality that third parties would have a realistic shot of winning seats if RCV were in place. It essentially places more power back in the hands of the people rather than those at the top of their parties.
already disproven. If it scares 20% of people away from voting and throws 53% of votes in the trash then no no that is by definition a less democratic way to function.
It's not any different than the current system. They didn't count because there were too many candidates and the viable candidates were too far down on their list. It's effectively the same thing as when a would be partisan voter doesn't like their nominee and votes third party. The person they would have otherwise voted for is not recorded and therefore they lost their vote in that sense.
It takes about 100 hours of research on every candidate to get to know them. It's much easier to choose between which 2 people are better, but the average person doesn't have 1000 hours to vet 10 candidates and place them in order by preference.
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In this video, I outlined an argument https://youtu.be/UbbfZJwijzA?si=P8NSksMiQHw7JQst
Essentially I argue that women competing against trans athletes is 100% fair. Is there really any good arguments against my position?
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@Amber
I watched CNN for a few hours after it finished airing, which was probably their plan but they seemed shocked that Biden has mental decline.
After literally playing cover for him and making proclamation of his superior cognitive ability, even after the FBI report, they were at a loss for words over how his cognitive decline could have flew under their radar.
It was odd to watch and came off as insincere
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@Double_R
What about the criticism about how the one election where 53% of the votes did not count towards the final ballot.
How run offs are a better solution?
How it lowers voter turn out and confuses people etc.?
Two main critiques, first is that the logical concerns are why I believe it will never happen, but is not an argument as to whether it should happen. Is there are difficulties in implementing this then we should work on solutions. If RCV solves many of our issues as a society then it is clearly worth overcoming.
AS far as the logistical concerns being a problem but working through them. I see this argument a lot and it's honestly one of the biggest weaknesses of liberalism. Let's use an exaggerated example.
Liberal- we should feed every starving child
Me- here is the real world consequences of doing that and how they do more harm than good
Liberal- it's good you pointed that stuff out because that is all stuff we need to address so we can make it happen.
It's a pain in the ass to get around because ultimately a Liberal and conservative will be against children starving, it's just that in that particular instanceb(not claiming all) than the conservative is making the pragmatic point.
It's more of a problem in liberalism where policies are enacted on this basis.
I don't want to hold you to your previous statements because maybe your opinion has changed a bit, especially after thag video but as a thought expirement I want to bring it up. Don't be defensive.
Earlier in the thread I believe you insinuated or Said there were bad motives for being against RCV. Particularly is that it harms both the democratic and republican party.
If you acknowledge the logistical concerns, could it actually be that a lot of these people who you have assigned bad motives to, are just trying to protect voters and potentially be willing to change their minds if the logistical concerns were dealt with?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because she is scum bro. She is actually good as town.
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I feel like whiteflame is owed more town cred but that sense of justice doesn't help catch scum
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If Whiteflame and Casey are scum he doesn't want you to test the restless spirit because doing so kills his partner. Let me know what you think.
Yeah lol . I wasn't thinking.
I am going to make my case against Casey but Casey is obviously scum here and the last one is between barney and whiteflame and honestly I it's going to be tough for me to figure out because barney has just been posting fluff and whiteflame has been forced to stay in a reactive position.
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@Casey_Risk
I didn't know you before but I do now. You are very good. As town, you are very good. As scum, you will get there.
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I don't even feel like doing this but I want you guys to actually look at her town play. I will post when the kid is asleep but honestly she is quite good as town. She kicks ass. She clearly is trying to scum.hunt, she keeps an open mind and she is also very driven to make sure her actions help town.
Anyone who is familiar with her town game and doesn't scum read her her is not giving her the respect she deserves, but she is quite good and when the kid is asleep I will prove it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Here it is. I guess the logic is that if her lynch benefits town it would be a stupid claim so she tried to WIFOM people out of lynching by that logic
And here we go again with her lynch benefiting town. It's also just easier to claim lynch activated roles as scum because there is only one way you can prove the role
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@Casey_Risk
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Forget all that math bro, she is scum. It doesn't matter. We should perhaps no lynch here but I don't want to be dead next dp and then have to watch you guys talk yourself out of lynching here for stupid reasons.
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@whiteflame
Here is where I got the ideal of 2x
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11307-clash-of-clans-mafia-day-phase-1?page=8&post_number=235
Also pie mentions flavored cop a lot of times with no correction. My assumption has been that you are insinuating a weird mechanic with cop like you can use it on anyone who visits you or something odd like that.
If two town die at this point, even if one of them is the Restless Spirit, the game ends at 2-2. There is no vote. Unless there's some version of the role I'm unaware of, it does not extend MYLO.
Yeah I have a weird memory I can remember facts from a single conversation that was meaningless 10 years ago but ofte. Forget stuff from yesterday or 5 minutes ago. Not sure if that is normal and nobody talks about it or not. Now that you mention it, I feel a feint memory of previously making that mistake.
Given that we just saw multiple roles get roleblocked by scum, I think your views of what balance looks like in this game are a bit off. Scum basically got a free pass through NP1 to avoid any detection or protection. How do you think Luna would balance that?
Fair enough. I think I am trying to.just justify behavioral reads through other means since we tend to downplay behavioral reads here for some reason.
Casey is scum though..
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@whiteflame
Both extend mylo. I assume when creating games you would only want one role to extend mylo. Like you would not want a cop a watcher and a doctor all I. The same game. Plus what we all have customized roles besides barney who is just watcher.
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You guys do realize that Casey essentially CCed pie who is obviously town
And rhat now whiteflame has went from having a 2x cop or something to a 1x cop and he is now being CCed by barney. I don't give a shit watcher is weak cop
So Casey is scum and we can figure out who to lynch between barney and whiteflame next dp
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Fair. I am confident of my town read of you and mharman but not sure who to scum read. I have a theory but need Whiteflame to answer my question about whether he is x shot before we can test it.
I just know he is lying about his role which is the only reason I have any doubt of barney being the last scum
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It also appeared casey was engaging in the instinct to distance herself from Barney last dp, especially how she brings him up in her reads
"Barney is very slightly scum"
It comes across as trying to to piss off your scum mate. Who says that instead of just "slight scum" . Like there is a grain of rice seperating a scum read from a town read. It sounds simultaneously like distancing while also trying not to offend the person in a PM with her by coming at him hard
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@Discipulus_Didicit
if whiteflame is scum why is he trying to talk sense into me? Also I may still be willing to just lose the game by lynching him because he is still lying about his role somehow. It doesn't add up.
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@whiteflame
I am going to play minecraft and collect my thoughts. She is scum IDGAF. Maybe I come on here and double check my premises and make a case, but I am extremely confident here
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Mind explaining this to me? If Casey dies and they're town, then the number of players still goes down to 3-2. That's LYLO, regardless of her presence as a spirit, at least from what I remember of the role.
so scum whens when it is mathematically impossible for town to win. lynch casey. if casey is innocent and an NK goes through we are at
2 v 2
but we should have 3 votes needed to lynch I would think. which means we can still lynch one scum making it 2 v1 and then if the nk is successful
actually i am done writing that because it feels stupid now. Whatever let's just lynch casey. I guess I have to put a case together now given my math does not math like I thought it did
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@Casey_Risk
okay cool so just be very patient then and if you turn town than I am required to give better explanations for my reads, as is everyone else to help you form your own conclusion. You also do have some ability to lead town after death as your vote could force our hand a bit.
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@Mharman
give me the protection ability and I will protect whiteflame and we can get his results and it confirms you
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I will look closer at why Wylted scum reads you later given he is confirmed town at this point.
honestly given her claim, who care s why I scum read her. voting her off takes somebody off of the POE list and gives us another DP to figure things out
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@Casey_Risk
can you talk in the following dp or just vote?
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