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Yeah ask me to fuck off and then make threads for my attention when I go, saying welcome back, join my mafia game, even trying to remove me from HoF and tag me in a post about a guy beheading his father over political standings in your frenzy of nonsense.
Let me make this clear. I don't like you. I also know 2 things.
1. Your presence is good for the site
2. Yoy are a narcissist
Knowing the 2 things I got your attention so you would come back because I care more about the site than I do about pwning you
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Like it or not the people of this site also break down into factions and obtaining a majority if the vote means making most people happy.
I think the meep is an improvement and it has written into the COC that it can be adjusted and the main point is to protect the spirit of the COC which is written into it.
Anyone who could create a better meep probably could not get mod buy in or a majority of the factions to agree to the new COC
So kindly fuck off
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The mods need flexibility to a certain extent and thy need to be on board with changes to the COC. So no I wasn't about to handcuff them in the meep proposal
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I am an antisemite
Why do I feel like I am the only one supporting the jews defending themselves from hamas between us?
And you are conflating hamas and Palestine and defending hamas in the process. I assumed that was your stance but I could be wrong and hope I have not misattributed the belief to you
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Ironic as Wylted was the one pushing hardest for his ban the whole time.
His daily behavior is a bankable offense. The meeting explicitly bans personal attacks but expands the definition of free speech.
The meep had the dual purpose of increasing freedom of speech and decreasing personal attacks and disrespect to foster a more welcoming environment.
I won't comment too much but while I was still I the mod chat it was agreed that certain behavior was problematic. WA a bankable offense and should result in a permaban. There was no follow through
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What happened with the rules changing?
Last I heard the change won the vote. Who vetoed it
According to the new rules I led the charge on. Defense of pedophilia is not a bankable offense.
I am trying really hard not to attack the mods here but the rule changes did pass. They also left room to negotiate changes to the rules within the community, and did not handcuff the mods overly. However the rules explicitly stated freedom of speech should be respected.
Once of the reasons I stopped actively being president is lack of follow through. We also discussed how a certain person had bankable behavior every day because of how they made personal attacks on others and that person is still consistently displaying the same behavior and is welcome on the site.
So I am looking to build an alternate community at some point if things don't change, but we have what we have here.
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@Mharman
I imagine thoughts vary from rabbi to rabbi
Yeah I can imagine it does. Just like each grand wizard if the KKK likely has unique thoughts and views. What concerns me though is some commonalities among what they believe not stating obvious facts.
I'd like to remind you that you are not a mind reader. You can imagine their thoughts all you want, but you are not reasonable to judge based on your imagination.
I feel like I am smart enough to figure out people's motives and read them pretty well.
But there is no worthwhile evidence to suggest genetics make an entire group of people less moral. Every fault you can find in a people has a cultural explanation.
I don't know if cultural explanations should mean we just ignore unethical behavior. It's useful into manipulating that demographic to display ethical behavior but it is certainly not an excuse to do unethical things. I also don't think you can entirely dismiss genetics as a factor. Genetic predisposition does have an impact on personality
If you are saying it would be beneficial for Jews to reform aspects of their culture
What else would I be saying?
To advocate for the eradication of a people, based on some conspiracy theory that they are seeking to eradicate other people, is wicked
Nobody advocated for that. However I wonder what your opinion would be if you replaced conspiracy theory with fact. If 10000 orange people came from the sky tomorrow and you knew for a fact they fully intended to murder all of your people. Siblings parents you etc. Then would you think genocidal orange people would be appropriate?
I will never understand people who miss the irony of blaming genocide on a group of people who are in the millions, each diverse in their own personalities, ideals, and beliefs within their greater culture
Why?
Are you one of those people when somebody chastised thr Russians for invading Ukraine, you believe that every individual Russian is being blamed?
It's useful to examine group behavior and we realize this when we speak of countries (sometimes) . If somebody does that they are speaking of the zeitgeist within the population or the egregore the people create. It isn't a statement against each individual.
That will only result in a future people blaming your people for genocide, and proceeding to commit genocide against them.
Utilitarianism would be the answer. You know innocent people would get caught up in the genocide but do a cost benefit analysis on whether society is better off without them or not. The sane type of Nigilism commonly found on the left.
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It's not themed nor will it be themed. I have no issue naming the game though.
I have 2 modes since I am a perfectionist. Spend 6 months coming up with a theme or half asking it.
Chat GPT has shortcuts the process a bit but ultimately this is a test game to see if mafia is salvageable
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The son of an Israeli diplomat who recently came into the public conscious when a video of him circulated where he ran over a cop on purpose, was recently beaten for having the wrong opinion on sausage.
I am requesting that the site collectively send letters to this guy to get him to debate me on sausage. We can use a dummy account to translate his arguments from the letters or somebody can just use their account to post his words.
I will post details on how to send him letters on my lunch break if you guys are too lazy to do the research yourselves. But we need to ee what this argument was about and whether his argument was so unbeatable that the only rebuttal is to punch him in the face
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Somehow the Right Wing working class think their party gives the slightest damn about them but especially as far right as Trump's Republican Party would be in his second term, they'll get fucked over gutted and left to dry, whether union or not (unless law enforcement union or white collar union or a union Trump's crooked buddies can bribe and run from almost the inside).
.This would be a lot easier to believe if it werent for the fact that when trump was in office food was cheap, gas prices low and rent affordable and biden being in office has harmed this.
Your argument that biden is better for the white working class because he supports the defend the police movement and grooming children in public schools just falls flat
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@rosends
You clearly don't understand who Ovadia Yosef was, what he taught,
His teaching was that non jews were the slavesof jews https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2010-10-20/ty-article/adl-slams-shas-spiritual-leader-for-saying-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews/0000017f-db45-d3ff-a7ff-fbe547cd0000
what pilpul means
My understanding is it is jews arguing over how to interpret the words of holy texts. It's why a lot of them try to trick God into thinking they are riding in a boat by putting a bottle of water under their driver's seat. If I am misunderstanding it my bad but I thought it was getting pedantic when arguing over religious text.
and why people went to his funeral.
My assumption is that they agreed with his teaching that Goyim should be enslaved. If they went to his funeral for other reasons besides support for the racist teachings than I am curious. As to why?
Maybe you should start by asking general questions to address your knowledge gaps instead if letting random websites give you soundbites that you mistake for news
There is no response ses to those questions when you Google it or ask jews. I pm whiteflame with questions about this shit all the time and he never gas a defense or answers. He is just like *shrug "I don't believe that stuff or even know who that rabbi is"
I am also literally posting on this forum which has like at least 5 active Jewish posters so I can get answers in the one place where Jewish people can answer those questions without my question getting banned.
And just for future reference every single one of my arguments is a question. If I say 1/3 of jews attended a funeral of a racist . Than the inherent questions are
Why did they attend the funeral of this guy that I know of as a racist?
Was he indeed a racist?
If he was a racist against goyim, was he only a racist or was that only a piece of who he is and should diminish from other things?
I don't normally have strong beliefs. When I post stuff like this, I post arguments not questions. I post arguments because normally I do sense something wrong with them and I am looking for somebody to disprove me.
I am not here to promote an ideology. I am here to make arguments that are hopefully disproven so I can deal with my own cognitive dissonance
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@rosends
Amalek is descended from Edom which is connected to Rome so Amalek would be from a "white" group, but since we don't know who Amalek is these days, we do not advocate genocide against anyone, "white" or otherwise
That's really hard to believe since when I look at the early life history if the biggest names in promoting open borders into European countries they all seem to be Jewish with very few exceptions.
Same thing with the top academics who promote wome pursuing careers and pushing back having babies until they are like 40. Academic papers read mostly by whites.
The LGBT movement also promoted highly by Jewish academics seems to work well at sterilizing white kids. Seriously look at the biggest names in promoting the ideology among academics.
A lot of things seem like they are working together well to create low reproduction rates in whites and replace them with hordes of immigrants who are taking countries that were 90% white and making the 60% white. Assuming the same rate of success we can expect they will be 2% white in 50 years.
I do actually read public facing news organizations of jews because I want to learn more about them . There seems to also promote this insane belief internally that they can only survive in a multicultural country that societies that have too much group cohesion and who love each other are too much of a threat so they need to mix people in to destroy that social cohesion. They Don't use those words.
So you can say that some scholars believe that amulek is of Rome, but the overall behavior and the attacks on society as a whole to ruin social cohesion by top academics who do influence public discourse and top down policies seems to point to an attempt to destroy something else.
Obviously not all jews are in the know but there is a top down force among the leaders to accomplish a particular goal, and if there isn't than they are behaving in a way that would indicate there is.
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@Sidewalker
Probably because while you are out there making anti-semitic rants, they are out there accomplishing things.
I don’t know that a 2 minute distraction would be to blame for any failure
While you are making excuses, they are making a contribution.
Are you claiming that black people have less power than jews because they are lazy and make excuses while Jews actually make a contribution?
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@Sidewalker
Probably because while you are out there making anti-semitic rants, they are out there accomplishing things.
While you are making excuses, they are making a contribution.
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@rosends
Did you know that there was a rabbit in Israel who taught that non jews should be slaves to jews. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Rabbi
There is Pilpul that this guy doesn't represent judaism. However it is recorded that 1/3 of Israelis attended his funeral.
For context if 1/3 of all Americans attended the funeral of David Duke. 100 million people. If 100 million people attended his funeral what do you think that says about the average belief of Americans. Remember if 1/3 attended there were probably another 100 million who just couldn't get the day off of work and also endorse his beliefs
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@Sidewalker
All it would take to solve the problem is a law protecting them in that case,
Sure maybe. You never know what a mew law will do. You only know its intention . If we have a model that works and is proven to work, why not go back to that?
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@Mharman
There are at least 2 accounts that were banned as my alts that were not my alts. Including one guy so woke he was claiming that robots were racist
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@rosends
Early in the video amulek is described as being white people of European descent.
Some of the movement of jews do support that they are trying to eradicate whites. The media brainwashing then into having out group bias, a jew creating the Christian religion to teach them to be passive and weak.
The flooding of non whites into white countries who are hosting to their host nations countries and ways of being?
There seems to be a pattern of behavior here that is harmful to every non Jewish group but particularly whites
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@cristo71
Amalek seems to be the general label Jews give to the enemies of Jews and the Jewish homeland.
Qt least one one the rabbis in the video said that amulek means white people particularly of European descent
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@Mharman
No, not any more than any other people group tries to commit genocide.That is the wicked state human nature; there is not a nation or people on Earth free of guilt.
This is just what the preachers they listen to every Saturday publicly state. Imagine their private thoughts.
I reject the notion that every group of people is equally evil. It's absurd on its face. We know that both genetics and culture diverge around groups and even a random distribution of people around d these groups would still end up with statistics that cluster
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@Sidewalker
Jews are .2% of the world population, we're talking 15.7 million vs 8 billion, even with their space lasers, I don't think they can eradicate non-jews.
They just operate in a lot of positions of power such as half the cabinet of whoever the president ends up being and they have a disproportionate ownership of media and the means of production.
Why do you think if half of the American government is Jewish that Jews wouldn't hold as much powers as non jewsbecause non jews outnumber them?
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I had a friend send me this video as evidence that the Jews are planning to eradicate non jews' particularly those of European descent. It makes sense with the immigration laws they seem to support among other popular policies among them, but not sure what to make of this evidence my friend gave me
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@ebuc
I think humanity could do with a lot more of your type and lot less of MAGA-M's
Imagine getting to 80 years old and then being like
"Shit let me just vote for the party of people advocating young boys cut their penises off and open borders to flood the demographic makeup of the country to the point it will give us 3rd world mindsets and a 3rd world country in response to that"
Imagine thinking this mindset will somehow improve the country. Part of me does hope the leftists win to punish people like you, so you can watch your mixed race grandkids have their penises removed and be feminized for the amusement of perverts that you enabled, while eating a diet of entirely soy and breathing the smog in your government issued housing pod.
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@FLRW
We found that past suicide attempts were more common among depressed patients with a religious affiliation (OR 2.25, p=.007). Suicide ideation was greater among depressed patients who considered religion more important (Coeff. 1.18, p=.026), and those who attended services more frequently (Coeff. 1.99, p=.001).
Best korea cited a study on children and you attempted to debunk that study by presenting one on adults.
It's weird. older religious people value life more and you think they would value it less with a belief in an afterlife but it appears untrue. However children of atheistic parents kill themselves more often. My guess is the nihilism that can be prevalent in atheism makes the kid feel life is pointless.
It is also possible that atheistic kids have a shittier social circle and are surrounded by less supportive people in general and it results in higher suicides.
It is also possible that church plays a similar role as psychology in improving mental health or some combination of the above things to explain the discrepancy
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I do need to challenge the following statement
"Free market requires zero generosity"
It's not really generosity if it's required that you give to the poor now is it?
I would say socialist policies typically harm generosity. Before the laws that FDR used to control the economy there was no such thing as health insurance. Health insurance was a way for companies to get around pay caps the government was imposing. We don't need to get into how insurance created a buffer between the consumer and medical prices and how that drove prices up. Instead this is about generosity. Prior to that government intervention nearly all doctors took on probono clients. This was their tithe to the community. A good 25% of their work was their tithe to the poor and it was subsidized by high paying clients.
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There's less theft than in socialist economies. Again look at how much is stolen and how much people struggle in communist regimes in general. People in Venezuela and North Korea pretty much have to steal in order to survive and so many people are in poverty that there really is no room for generosity.
You can make bare assertions all day that capitalist nations like the united states or japan or switzerland have more theft and poverty than the most socialist nations like North Korea and Venezuela but since conventional wisdom as well as the economic freedom index which measures how capitalistic an economy is disagree with you, than it will take a bit more than bare assertions to prove your point.
I also think if pushed hard enough on this topic you will likely start back pedaling soon and advocating for a mixed economy, and since mixed economies by default are considered capitalistic you'll just be sounding like an idiot.
Do you really want to go in circles where you start by saying socialism helps the poor more and then when I show the mass starvation in the USSR, China when Mao was in charge and North Korea, and then you start back pedaling to admitting that capitalist economies are superior but through the guise of pretending like you think mixed economies count as socialist ones?
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@Mharman
I think I have had enough accounts for a themed game. SAD
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One of the 10 commandments is though shalt not steal which violates socialism automatically. We also have the issue that Jesus taught people to be generous. That is literally impossible if the government r is stealing your momey
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Signups will likely be closed on the 6th. If I have to makeay adjustments to the open set up I will announce it in the dp1 thread
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@Mharman
Gotcha
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@Mharman
I think 48 hours for DP 24 hours for NP is appropriate for a small game and forces action faster. I can't stand games where there is no time pressure. This game belongs to whoever is playing so I am open to discussion about how to make it enjoyable for the most people, even if it means abandoning my personal philosophy or adjusting it
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@Greyparrot
Are you in or out. I think you said recruiting was out of the question but did not state if you would participate?
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@JoeBob
WyIted, How would that work though? If you need to recruit someone in order to play then the person you recruited needs to recruit someone, etc. Unless I am wrong.
it's not that important. the recruited does not have to recruit and the original person signing up it is merely a strong suggestion for
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@Greyparrot
To be anti-pain, you would have to be pro morphine from cradle to the grave.
This is exactly where a lot of their ideology falls apart and they intuitively know this is wrong. This anti unwanted pain paradigm is of course not the motivation behind liberal ideology. Op is just incorrect here. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 reasons for liberal reasoning and AUP is not behind any of it. although I could see AUP as being some ad hoc reasoning they apply to it. Here are the main 3 types of liberals I can think of.
1. Slave morality liberals- By far the vast majority of liberals. It's a collectivization of the weak against the strong and they use bullshit ethics that they don't even believe in for a sense of superiority over the strong. They can't actually be physically stronger, wealthier or more socially adept than the strong so they feel better than the strong by attacking ideals like masculinity or by attacking everything as being ableist and even the socially adept are reasoned as having bigger networks because they are using their white supremacy to form them.
2. limousine liberal- The wealthy elite who think of themselves as benevolent dictators who attack the structures of society to reinforce their white savior complex. You can see examples of these white saviors in several hollywood movies that promote this narrative. Either a white teacher who saves a school full of black children by teaching them in a hardcore way, a rich white woman saving a black retarded kid by telling him to tackle people. They are depicting their ideal of a white savior and usually it is in the form of stealing a life story and twisting it to their narrative.
3. midwit- midwit is typically somebody who has an IQ between 115 and 130 and consider themselves smart. They don't realize that if you eliminated the mentally deficient from society and only included non mentally deficient people in average IQ rankings than you will see the midwit is really not intelligent but instead has a mediocre IQ. We also refer to these people as "reasonably intelligent people" When discussing them in an academic setting as to not offend them. Reasonably intelligent children are usually really good at school. They are good at memorizing facts and typically straight A students. Most reasonably intelligent people display . that intelligence by how well they conform to society and often will be praised "This kid really did learn fast that WW2 ended in 1945" Or they really did learn fast how to get along well with peers and to not offend. These people as adults will often "trust the science" and be "debunkers". They aren't really intelligent they just go with whatever the popular narrative is. The popular narrative was that we should all get vaccinated. Now there are some geniuses who agree that we should all get vaccinated, there are also geniuses that disagree. However the difference between the genius who agrees with them is that he has actually done his research and is considering in addition to the science things like the philosophical implications of vaccinating and measuring the trade offs in other areas with requiring vaccinations. The midwit is just following the popular narrative of what he heard on the TV and what all his friends are saying, the ones who are "deboonking" are using statements from the world health organization or other organizations they think of as "official" because they are midwits and they display this by how well they comply to the establishment and established order. The actual intelligent person has questions the midwit does not. If a midwit is told by their parent "Don't say curse words" at 10 years old, they don't do it or they consider it wrong when they do. The intelligent kid asks why and he doesn't settle for answers like "It's just wrong" . they actually give it a lot of thought. Or they ask a ton of questions and are not settled with bullshit answers. They will either decide through good reasoning on their own why cursing is bad or good or neutral but they will not just blindly comply like the midwit. They have actually done studies where they put midwits in classroom settings and ask everyone what 2+2 is and when everyone answers 5, the midwit will change his answer to 5 and also state out loud that his answer is 5. The genius will say 4 and doesn't care about that sort of social pressure. Funny enough the idiot will also say 4 and trust his instincts which makes the idiot and the genius both more honorable than the midwit.
So there we have it 3 types of liberals. 3 moral codes
wokie/normie- Salve morality embodied through liberalism
limousine liberal- narcissist who thinks he is helping the world through his top down elitism
midwit- A conformist who doesn't know better and as soon as the paradigm switches back to the right these people will also be right wingers and funny enough the geniuses might switch back to the left while these midwits just swallow up the bullshit of the establishment that had they been born 30 years earlier they would hate.
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This is firstly a complete and utter lie, since anti-predatory AKA anti-monopoly laws are one of many examples of this not being the case.
Anti monopoly laws punish businesses for providing g a better service to their customers to a large enough extent to cause them to become monopolies. By cracking down on them you benefit smaller businesses unfairly.
I do think this can be a good thing. The punishment of success doesn't have to have bad results but you would be wrong in your criticism of B.korea
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@TheUnderdog
Anti unwanted pain is such a terrible paradigm and evil. I would say I don't really have trouble applying a left wing ethos to right wing ideals and in fact drop my own opi ions in debates I take seriously and usually use them to attempt to appeal to a leftwing ethos.
I also believe that you need to just become more informed about right wing politics if you want to criticize them. Read some Evola or something.
As far as conservatives that are not right wing, it wouldn't be consistent because it would essentially be the same as the leftwing ethos except conservatives believe in small incremental changes
To achieve the same ends this can be explained by the Chesterton post analogy that describes why they want to make sure they are making positive change and not destroying things in the process that may be beneficial.
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@TheUnderdog
Anti unwanted pain is such a terrible paradigm and evil. I would say I don't really have trouble applying a left wing ethos to right wing ideals and in fact drop my own opi ions in debates I take seriously and usually use them to attempt to appeal to a leftwing ethos.
I also believe that you need to just become more informed about right wing politics if you want to criticize them. Read some Evola or something.
As far as conservatives that are not right wing, it wouldn't be consistent because it would essentially be the same as the leftwing ethos except conservatives believe in small incremental changes
To achieve the same ends this can be explained by the Chesterton post analogy that describes why they want to make sure they are making positive change and not destroying things in the process that may be beneficial.
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You have a great point about the physical constraints of a singularity.
I do think that getting there does not rely on Moore's law and I do lack the technical jargon to talk about this in a way that makes sense but a lot of articles I read on artificial intelligence lately are showing similar advances as Moores law by modifying AI technology by rearranging parts to pack moreover a punch with less power.
I also think whether we are working towards our own destruction or towards paradise we have an obligation to push towards the singularity by pushing for a kurzwelian merger and engaging in positive eugenics.
The reason we want to make sure this generation handles the singularity an navigates it, is because despite how shitty we are the next generation is worse and would lack th Cojones to suffer in the ways necessary to avoid the apocalypse should things start going sideways.
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There is no way it is the diplomat. That's the only other option. The diplomat is not technically in miami though.
Terrible city to be honest. I am not looking forward to being there. I have family in the area though.
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Roosevelt, you mentioned staying at the Hyatt Regency a couple of weeks ago. Would you also recommend that hotel to me? I am thinking of heading to Miami?
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Most of them we will never know the name of and more often they are on the side of military and governmenti
I love reading Roosevelt's posts because it actually reminds me of what you guys are like. What you secretly think he says because he has no filter.
The liberal who mocks the poor, and the working g class. Mocking GP and calling him a substitute teacher as if that is a bad thing or mocking me and saying I work at IHOP .
You show me the other side of the liberal hivemind though. The undying loyalty to governments. Literally the same attitude Nazi sympathizers in Germany had
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Roosevelt- we are the party of the poor
Also Roosevelt.- I think the word poor is an insult and will not only assume I know everyone's net worth but will also mock people for being poor.
You wonder why the right rejects your policies. We know the left is I'm bed with Soros and the Rothchilds and nearly every billionaire on the planet. We know they left wants to continually exploit the poor.
We also know the left are pedophiles who literally pass laws to make it easy to groom kids and opposed the sex offender database as well as chemical castration of pedophiles.
You hate the poor. You are a pedophile. You have are low IQ with no policy positions which is why you spend your time attacking people's character.
Let's be honest if your IQ was even 3 digits you could formulate and argument that is more complex than "derp orange man bad" or "derp there is an adulterer in the republican party this means having policies that promote family values is bad derp".
Just read your Washington post and take your arguments to the youtuve comments section where you can fling poo like a monkey while never defending any policy positions you support. Because you are too stupid too.
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Once the day part is over the person with the most votes is lynched even if they are not voted for by the majority.
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Aron Schwartz was arrested by police for the cause of freedom and was set up to spend the rest of his life in prison. https://youtube.com/shorts/F429yqTVUyI?si=tpXKJqAbUsEuVgq1
His crime. Making information free.
Edward Snowden has to now lives in a shithole because he stood up for America by opposing the surveillance state.
Mr. YAMAGUTCHI singlehandedly saved Japan from becoming like China and North Korea and Japan owes him a great debt of gratitude for saving their asses. https://youtu.be/I6Mlyc8nhyI?si=cIOIDoHmGAvHYrF- (video of shinto Abe assassination not gory but could be disturbing)
Julian Assange gave up his freedom to expose the government.
Bradley Manning had his life destroyed to expose evil shit the military was engaged in https://youtu.be/njvqAuh3dYs?si=1AJs4znpbr2rMt5F
He was later transed out as punishment for saving America.
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