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nobody wants to be known as a sheep fucker.
There's are literally people on this site who are fine with being known for that
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There is a reason the fraud/crime exception in attorney-client privilege exists.
Yes the reason it exists is so the government can twist the definition of these things and do whatever the fuck they want so long as it's what lib tards want
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@Double_R
If you care about not weaponizing the justice department then your response to someone doing just that would, now that you're back in power, be to figure out how to ensure it never happens again,
Umm no, because once they get back in power they will be evil again. You can't make a perfect system so people have to know that if they do evil they will be punished to discourage evil things. Why do you struggle with the simple concept of "just don't be evil"?
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@Sidewalker
Are you talking about Trump's top-secret trips to Epstein Island?
I doubt that top secret documents he received after Epstein's death was on Epstein's island. Not sure why you think that they would be delivered there
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@LucyStarfire
Loyalty > experience
True and that's not a bad thing and why zero Democrats ever choose Republicans as running mates they know it's true that loyalty and trust to do the right thing is what's most important.
I would also urge you to ignore libtards they literally thought by this time abortion would be illegal and so would porn.
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@Sidewalker
Last week Trump retweeted a theory that Joe Biden was executed in 2020 and replaced with a robot.
Which presidential top secret briefing that Trump was privy to and you weren't that he used to come to this conclusion do you disagree with?
Also what makes Gardner's inherently inferior people and unable to have high IQs to be best positioned to do great things for that administration
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@Double_R
Tell me your thoughts about the President of the United States signing executive orders telling the DOJ to investigate his political opponents.
Once the left opens that up you are allowed one term for revenge to let them know it is never okay to cross that line before returning to normal. Look at Romania and Germany where politicians are being banned for literally being conservative. To fight back against that sort of fascism you literally just play back a little bit to get them rethinking whether they should remain evil or not.
They literally impeached him for lying about ablow job.
And they let the rape slide.
Are politicians subject to American laws? Yes or No?
We have to give them an extremely long rope because if there is even a one in a million chance that it's politically motivated to prosecute them than your actions are evil.
My philosophy is don't be evil
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This is where libertarians fail in a lot of ways. They aren't good at strategy. yes more money is bullshit long term but this is short term because if we don't give some gibs then that's a large amount of the government exclusively controlled by the left and it makes future wins harder. In a perfect world I would agree but we are at the point where we are playing for keeps. Complete domination than we impose a libertarian monarch, preferably Barron Trump
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@Lashwnda
You are a beautiful woman and you deserve better than to be treated like that.
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@whiteflame
This is your chance to reverse the ban on Tyrone that never should have happened and bend the knee to BLM.
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@Greyparrot
China is emotionally inclined anyway. It's Americans who are rational. It's why everyone knows open criticism leads to rapid improvement and a government responsive to it's people but they are so weak that even well intentioned criticism gets people locked up. That pride is their undoing.
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@MayCaesar
What I see in your comments is an emotional reaction: "They mistreated us - time to mistreat them back! That will show 'em!"
So your answer to a bully punching you in the face everyday is to continue to let them because punching back might make things worse for both of you?
Are you even a man at that point?
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@LucyStarfire
Listen here noob. Nobody here is going to fly to whatever third world shit hole you live in and steal your up address to beat you up.
Nobody with any brain cells is going to Slovakia or wherever the fuck you are.
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@Greyparrot
Seriously though lol. What type of man let's his wife take out the trash or mow the yard?
What type of woman would ever allow her man to cook a birthday cake?
These norms exist for a reason.
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@Double_R
Stations are not the government.
No, and nobody claimed they were but you do understand the cooling effect of the government right? It's the same cooling effect that Democrats had when they threatened social media companies if they allowed free speech.
I'm wondering what you think about the current administration using the power and apparatus of the state to tell colleges who they can admit and what they are allowed to teach,
Giving funding for special views is unethical but pulling funding is not. Harvard for example is supposed to be privately funded so pretty fucked up they got anything at all.
punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, and
Haven't heard about this
using the FTC to go after news outlets that criticize him.
They haven't criticized policies. They have lied for example saying trump called for a blood bath if he loses when he was speaking about actually an economic blood bath if the administrations policies continued assuming they would if he lost. News organizations should be completely unbiased and give the news in a dispassionate non partisan way. That is if they are being put on public airwaves. Ones who aren't using public sources of funding or infrastructure should be free to do what they want though it's unethical to be partisan and evil to lie about what people said. Remember when a portion of the right criticized the Obama team for calling Palin a pig when they really said "put lipstick on a pig" as a metaphor. Many members of the right called this a stupid criticism and a clear lie. Also see how I can criticize my own side and give good points about the left? This is called not being a retarded NPC
Let's just be honest especially if we have elevated responsibilities like we are the only source of information for boomers too stupid to use a computer, like my mom.
Kind of odd that you really seem to care about the cup of water spilled in the living room and not the flood in the kitchen.
Honestly Republicans have never ever tried to do some insane shit like lock up a former president. If you attempt that shit, the people pushing it do deserve some payback before we normalize again. It is never ever okay to try and arrest a president or a senator etc. And yes we know of times where Bill Clinton actually did rape women and the right had control of the Senate and they did the right thing. They let him get away with it. You shouldn't even have the appearance of being politically motivated.
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Let's not forget part of the tarrifs strategy is to eliminate income taxes long term so that taxation can be optional .
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@MayCaesar
Again, these measures harm both economies: the idea that the EU members somehow take the upper hand in dealings with the US is uneconomical. The US retaliating against European countries employing protectionist policies with its own protectionist policies is like a husband whose wife never takes trash out deciding to never take trash out either to have revenge on her
I'd get rid of the bitch but this is a fair tactic. Because then you give her the decision to either live in a filthy house or contribute.
It's a stupid example though. Men are supposed to take out. Trash if he wants her help he should instruct her to do something feminine like dishes and he does the more labor intensive household chores. Men are born to be work horses
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@MayCaesar
which is as illegal in China as it is in the US -
Which is why what I am saying is clear hyperbole but not by much. Let's use common sense
The very companies that clearly are afraid of open competition and rely on protectionist policies to succeed?
They want open competition but other countries prior to Trump had higher tarrifs on American goods than Visa versa and we still crushed them by having the most dominant economy on the planet. Let's not forget paying below what an American would make as minimum wage, playing with currency value and sweat shops are a form of tarrifs as well.
Sorry, but it is hard to take these claims as anything other than rationalization of Trump's reckless and random economical policy. Trump himself has never said that the purpose of tariffs was to discourage slavery elsewhere, as far as I know. I am not sure why people are trying so hard to find new reasons to approve of his actions
It's a weapon with a lot of benefits particularly against countries who benefit more from the United states than Visa versa and it can also be protectionist against countries like China who will put women in factories working 15 hours a day for $2 an. Hour.
Do I think a slaver (hyperbole for these business owners in China) would rethink their life decisions?
Only if they have a 3 digit IQ.
Imagine you are a slaver and you stop for a minute to see that hey Warran buffet is a billionaire and has no slaves, why wouldn't you emulate his business practices so you can be a billionaire?
It's retarded to not become a billionaire.
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@MayCaesar
The second argument is weird. Suppose there is a Chinese slaver that sells the produce to the US. Will he stop his slaving practices if the US market becomes less attractive?
Yes he would because it costs to employ this slave labor even if it's just having the machines up and running they work on. If the company is not profitable they'll maybe look at the United States and say "wow not being evil towards employees makes companies rich, I will stop being evil"
So if they are profiting now perhaps they can't look at successful people and emulate them but if they are struggling they will be forced to.
So with modernizing China's economy. Maybe if you make them suffer they look at modern economies and go "gee that works better maybe we do that" and then they do that and we have fair trading partners
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@Double_R
Censoring things like songs and tv shows that included terrorists wasn't the government telling the people what they were allowed to watch or hear, that was the result of people deciding for themselves what they wanted to watch and hear.
Nope it was top down from the stations no polling had time to be done. It was a cooling effect of George Bush seeming like he would enact authoritarian policies and the left later stole his playbook much to the dismay of those of us who voted for Obama hoping for an extreme and radical change
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How dare trump be relatable on Howard Stern 30 years ago . Politicians should never find women attractive
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Gnosticism isn't absurd it's a shape shifting religion that finds itself adapting to other religious belief systems easy and using it to clothe itself. It can be found in ancient Rome in the Christian churches with Islam and in new age belief systems. It has always been here
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@MayCaesar
Trump's tariffs harm all sides involved, and aside from some crony politicians and business owners, nobody benefits from them.
If they are bad for all sides why is America literally last in the boat with this. If auto tarrifs are bad why does the EU tarrifs American vehicles so highly? Why does China have high tarrifs?
Also isn't better jobs being available a good thing even if it comes at the cost of no longer having to compete with slave labor in China or sweatshops run by small children in Pakistan?
Yes we can benefit a lot off of slave labor but isn't slave labor a bad thing?
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@Barney
That said, even with recent issues, I still believe the moderation team could use some fresh blood.
Too late. The Arena has arrived and fresh blood will not save you, though there will be plenty of fresh blood on the arena floor.
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@Sir.Lancelot
This obviously goes in the political section. This isn't the arena .
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@FLRW
Remember that the US debt-to-GDP ratio was 123% in fiscal year 2024, meaning the total national debt of $35.46 trillion was 123% of the country's economic output. This ratio has been fluctuating, with an all-time high of 130.4% in March 2021 and a record low of 31.8% in September 1974
I am pretty sure people are thankful they can eat again and pay their bills and could give a shit less about those numbers. It's great that Biden kept those numbers where you liked them but it's not worth it if it's hurting the average American to do so
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Yes it doesn't make sense and no the plebs are unaware it's partially unguided but liberal elitists set things in motion and lost a level of control.
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@Castin
You lost me at the left's true agenda.
Look, can we eat the rich yet or not
Marxism applied swapping class for other variables such as race, gender, etc
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@Castin
I sincerely think we are passed that and we are in the part of statistics called the return to the median. At least until people forget the lefts true agenda and they try to boil the frog again, you can see the shift in messaging where AOC is for example and the messaging is mostly correct but it rings hollow after seeing what they have been up to when they thought themselves invincible
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@Castin
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
This is why the entirety of the left routinely does shit like push to Pardon Roman Polanski (Child rapist). It's because they have really high standards to get into their club. If allowing child molestors and welfare queens in is high standards you need your head screwed on straight
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Some of us have been talking for a while now — about the tightening noose around online debate.
The shadowbans. The off-topic strikes. The quiet deletions.
So we did what old internet thinkers used to do when the gates closed:
We moved into the ruins.
Our new temporary base is probably the last place you’d expect:
The Flappy Bird forum on Neoseeker.
Yeah, you read that right.
A quiet section. Forgotten. Perfect.
No crowd. No spotlight. Just raw infrastructure and silence — until we showed up.
That’s where we’re gathering now.
If you care about speech that doesn’t beg for permission…
If you’re tired of filtering your thoughts through admin risk assessments…
If you’ve felt the walls closing in, even here…
Then come see what we’re building. It’s not The Arena yet — but it’s where the ghosts of free speech are regrouping.
🛠️ Backup forum (in case Flappy gets purged):
We move smart. We move fast. If one dies, we regroup at the other.
This is nothing new — it’s how digital resistance always moved before “platforms” tried to civilize it.
Don’t ask too many questions. Just show up, read, post if you’ve got something real to say.
This isn’t a site plug. It’s a warning flare.
We’re still speaking. We’re just doing it where no one’s watching.
Until the Arena opens…
🦅 Flappy Bird is home.
Say hello in this thread
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you will be happy to know that the biggest promoters of democracy are really just fascists in sheeps clothes, as evidenced when they deal with a populist. they banned a politician in Romania, are trying to ban a party in Germany and they had a tough on crimes philipino [resident who received about 75% of the votes and they are arresting him, this only happens to conservatives and the people more likely to promote monarchy.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Most of us Democrats moving to the right voted for Obama after seeing all the issues with Bush Growing up, particularly the government encroaching on freedoms, the Patriot act, rushing to war with Iraq and what felt like attacks on free speech with radio stations and what not refusing to play songs with words like bomb, tv shows being pulled that had terrorists in them etc.
In recent years it has been the left making all the attacks on freedom so the right won over those voters. We were the people chanting George Bush did 9/11 due to the cui bono of the situation. I know the left doesn't call it attacks on freedom but we can see who was intimidating social media companies into not allowing certain stries or narratives to grow. The me generation is going to obviously want to keep their freedoms.
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@LucyStarfire
I have a purpose you can serve for the Arena if you are interested. I found a forum that can host some things in the interim and I believe it's abandoned and completely unmoderated but if you are bored I can send you a link for you to test it to see if you can get yourself banned with your insane ramblings. It could just appear abandoned but have mods pop in occasionally
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@Greyparrot
I recognize your cadence and approve of your new assistant
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@AdaptableRatman
I have never ever felt as much peace as I do now being a very conservative, stern, masculine Christian.
I am happy you are in a good spot in your journey and hopefully it keeps getting better for you.
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The weak will weaponize empathy to fool the empathetic, at the arena no weaponize empathy is allowed. Just cold hard logic. You will fight and if you die, we will spit on your grave.
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Wylted, conservative fascism (which you support) consistently bans free speech.
You need to make your mind up, are you a libertarian or a conservative?
I have seen the left in charge recently and have seen they do it while denying they don't while the right when they do it, at least know they are doing it and willing to discuss the practical benefits of changing their approach.
Given the complete degeneracy of the left as well as then being a death cult I would prefer to work within the conservative paradigm and encourage conservative leaders to back away from shit like trying to outlaw antisemitic speech which many are attempting to do but many are stepping away from now that they realize it annoys their constituents.
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@AdaptableRatman
The dark web is dangerous.
You would want Linux instead of Windows. Microsoft's anonymity is a facade. It logs everything (sort of).
You can use a brave browser and switch to Tor mode on windows. There are also tor browsers for windows but it's not a dangerous place and I wish people would stop painting it that way. Yes you can buy drugs on the dark web. However Twitter has dark web address as does Facebook and if you say go to Facebook on the dark web it is no more dangerous than going to it on the clear web and yes pedophiles exist on Facebook.
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@Swagnarok
Not solidly committed yet, but at this point it's plausible, though I'd need Wylted to give me the email address deleted by the mods
My profile has everything needed in the about me section. All true warriors will find their way to the Arena. In the mean time you can PM me for a staging forum for the tech illiterate. The mods no longer exist there unless they silently check in every few months.
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@airmax1227
This is an interesting idea. Best of luck with it.
Thank you. Glad to see you here even if it is temporary
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A dead forum has beed discovered for takeover as a free speech zone. It won't be posted publicly though at the time
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In the arena we have no official endorsed views. You have to defend your arguments. It's where men are built.
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> “If speech wasn’t power, they wouldn’t be afraid of it.”— Anonymous Arena Contributor
Strange times, isn’t it?
One week ago, the platform shifted.
Silence got louder. Rules got vague.
Something stirred — and not everyone was supposed to notice.
Then came the correction:
A change quietly walked back
A mod... removed
No public explanation
No mistakes admitted
Just a gentle resetting of the table
To the casual user, it was nothing.
To those who’ve watched systems long enough — it was a glitch in the matrix.
The kind of glitch you only get when pressure lands in just the right place.
We’re not here to throw parties or name names.
We’re just here to remind a few of you:
> You’re not alone. And you’re not powerless.
Speech still matters.
And when they try to snuff it out — even gently — it still leaves a burn mark.
Let that be the lesson.
Let it echo a little longer than they’d like.
Some of us are still speaking freely.
Even now.
Just... not always here.
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@AdaptableRatman
Yes that was high integrity to come across honestly instead of playing there game. You earned some respect here.
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This is the one time where RM was actually a victim. We all knew where this was going and we all know RM as misguided as he is has his heart in the right place.
To give him something he worked hard for and wanted for for so long and then strip it away is cruel. It's probably more ethical to let him just destroy the site. Yes David's moderation when he was head mod showed a sharp reduction in community engagement and we knew RM would take that same strategy to the extreme and be the nail in the coffin, but at least it would show some courage to give him the levers.
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“Funny how fast they act when speech might lead somewhere.”
“They couldn’t refute it, so they redacted it.”
“Censorship without a reason is just fear trying not to get caught.”
“The first Arena whisper scared them. The second will be louder.”
“They couldn’t refute it, so they redacted it.”
“Censorship without a reason is just fear trying not to get caught.”
“The first Arena whisper scared them. The second will be louder.”
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Why not ban personal attacks like my COC the ADOL recently highlighted suggests?
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@David
Why would you randomly assume it would devolve into personal attacks? Why would you default to the evil option of top down control instead of community control?
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