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I knew you would run from that David. Which is why you wouldn't survive in the arena. People have to defend their ideals in the arena.Â
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@Mharman
It's just unethical and a way for him to avoid defending his decisions because he thinks he is a God. Give one good argument for why we wouldn't leave this thread open?Â
RM deserves his side of the story heard if he wants to share it
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@David
Defend removing an email address. My guess is you can't. You know when I make decisions they are completely defensible as should any decision anyone makes be
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In the arena mods do not exist but if they did, even they would have to defend their actions and respond in open threads
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@David
Closing threads like this is unethical. Please be a good person
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I probably won't have time to seriously look at your suggested toolchain until the weekend. I won't decide anything until then.
I won't publish the white paper without your input and I think some of this has already been misunderstood. Yes we can replicate the community on a .onion site or with IRC but I was suggesting how to coordinate behind the scenes for anonymity. Phase one on the white paper is literally just a landing page attached to a database either mongodb if it helps some students here contribute or the one I recently taught myself MYSQL.Â
So essentially stage one is the landing page and maybe IRC and email chains for work and for bullshitting with banned members.Â
We could also go old school for a forum. Find a dead forum that is still hosted and communicate there, it really would be zero modding in that case though but reddit has replaced so many dead forums are a dime a dozen
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@Barney
There is plenty he and so disagree on, but I don’t care about the wellbeing of this site even a quarter as much as he does.
I know it's not easy to keep up with a lot of this stuff, but me and you both know you helped with this because you thought it was funny.Â
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@LucyStarfire
You guys just want freedom.
Not freedom, but the type of person hardened by the fire in a place where you only have your wits and intelligence to survive on.Â
I urge nobody to join as most are not strong enough and you risk your ego doing so
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This entire thread is dragging BKs name through the mud unprompted, inviting all users here to the dark web and not one mod except me has supported shutting it down.
The dark web a place safe from the prying eyes of governments like China who will shut down free speech and imprison dissidents no matter how well meaning they are. Obviously the powers to be would be afraid of a place where they lose their gripping on the throats of those brave enough to speak truth.Â
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@LucyStarfire
I wont even join your site. Dont worry.
The Arena is only for those who can stand the fire and survive, maybe a bit broken maybe beaten and bloody, but alive after digging deep.Â
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I also agree with it but nobody's perfect. His philosophy is great but carrying it out the way he did was not. Nobody's perfect though and he is welcome in the arena just not as a moderator. Moderators generally fear the arena so we are unlikely to ever see him there
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Chrome book is tough. You can communicate through email until you can buy a cheap laptop. The website and how it works will be covered in the white paper which is already written and will be dropped at the end of the month. Email me and welcome to the arena.Â
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@Sir.Lancelot
You're painting me as a snake.Â
But I had your back. Can you say the same for anyone else here?Â
You wouldn't survive the arena, where loyalty dies and the strongest rise to the top on their own two feet.Â
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@yachilviveyachali
Absurd.These requirements should be thrown in the trash.
“Truth offends. That’s why we built a place for it.”
—The Arena
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@Swagnarok
That DART is a surviving bastion of Internet 2.0, that it stubbornly flies the old flag of the enlightenment long after popular sentiment has turned against enlightenment values, is something to take pride in, not be ashamed of. That's not to say we ought to be proud of the ravings of users like the OP, but we should be proud that the right of users like the OP to say their piece is respected here. This was something we all took for granted until the minute you signed on as moderator. But you are still very early into your tenure, and still have ample time to leave a good legacy instead of a bad one.Seriously, just let it go.
“There are places being built for minds like yours.”
“Watch for the ones who left — they’re building something sharper.”
“You’d thrive in The Arena. But it's not open to tourists yet.”
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'll admit, I imagine you wearing aviators and a leather jacket when I'm reading this
Do your other websites encourage free speech or is it free speech limited to your preferred subject and heavily moderated when it goes into other territory?
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@AdaptableRatman
Wylted, the way you wanted IWRA modded and to make him use sources to back his OPs up, I tried with RemyBrown.The only reason I got abused and ridiculed for it is that Whiteflame and Barney sit back and allow it. David is in a sticky situation because he is ranked beneath both.You want honest debate, so do I. I can make it happen, your approach never ever did.
Its basically a carbon copy of Airmax's philosophy and you enjoyed DDO more
This site is 13+ and all can see this thread even if below 13 browsing.Wylted is encouraging users to leave your site for a dark web equivalent of it where pedophiles and many depraved people can freely anonymously say whatever they want.Think please. Legally and morally is this intelligent to allow?
pedophiles and depraved people now an operate in PMs here and are encouraged to operate in one on one PMs with 13 year olds due to the risk of them being banned in current site. It's probably more dangerous to have them operate in the shadows than publicly where exchanges can be moderated through social pressure that informs the 13 year old of the dangers of interacting with such people
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Free speech is an intrinsic good but there is some extrinsic value that midwits often forget or maybe they aren't midwits and seek authoritarianism and a more chaotic world.
If you can't talk about say holocaust denial in polite company then you can get into this spiral where you seek out discussion in places where its welcome, and when censorship is made the places to do so are generally going to be places where only holocaust deniers go, so you won't find intelligent rebuttals to arguments being slowly improved upon and with increasing nuance, without push back to kind of attack the early premises prior to the nuance. You can swap Holocaust for a lot of words here and what you get is a type of spiral into extremism because the people who have concerns are pushed into deeper and deeper extremist rabbit holes.
We also have the situation where the unpopular opinion can be right and those people will be banned. At one time in the United States calling blacks equals was the unpopular opinion and had censorship had been prevalent it stands to reason that the ideal could more easily be contained, despte the liberal belief that we are at the end of history, I think history will do what it always does and show atleast one of the popular beliefs as being retarded, well unless its sufficiently suppressed and then we have more and more generations harming society because they were denied the opportunity to be corrected.Â
So we have these situations that are almost opposites. One where the wrong speech is stifled and despite it helping ewer people believe them it does push others down an extremest rabbit hole that creates more Oklahoma City Bombings and 9/11s (only America exists so that's the only examples that matter) . On the opposite side we have true things that are unpopular taking way too long to reach a public consensus so it increases how long atrocities such as slavery can exist for.Â
Even if these extrinsic goods did not exist the intrinsic good of free speech would still be absolutely true, so either way you look at it, suppression of free speech is unethical and i I would say given how bad and how much damage extremists can cause or the damage caused by society that would be extended that it's pretty evil to censor.Â
This is not to give people like bestkorea and shila a free pass in the name of no censorship. free speech is about the capacity to express ideals and is not related to the actual conduct of those expressing ideals. Whether your ideal or argument is right or wrong, it still needs to be given in a respectful way and with some amount of sincerity.
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@whiteflame
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if thats all it takes to get started
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I see its a forum platform. Well yes obiously they would provide laws you have to abide by or lose access to their architecture
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@AdaptableRatman
WHat is pro boards?
Proboards will shut forums down with no warning if N words etc is used btw.
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"Censorship is the tool of those unfit to win with words."
The world’s ideas are being suffocated by a soft, invisible hand.
Debate is being strangled in places where the weak play at progress.
As evidenced by the following thread; this site is on a downward spiral.
It looks like the thread was also locked in some lame attempt to controlÂ
Where do the strong go?
We go to The Arena.
This is not just another platform.
This is a revolt. A return to freedom. A war for the mind.
A place where your words are weapons, and your thoughts are sovereign.
🛡️ Welcome to the Arena
The battleground for truth. For intellect. For freedom.
In the wake of fading platforms that claim free speech while choking it behind closed doors, we stand unbroken.
This is a sovereign space — dedicated to you — the exiled, the misunderstood, the competitive thinkers. This is your arena. Your crucible.
No longer will your voice be muffled by weak rules designed to placate the delicate. No longer will ideas die in silence.
⚙️ What’s Coming:
- Freestyle Debates: Structured debates, round-based with scoring, designed for the gladiator in you.
- User-driven Judging: Your peers will decide the winner, until AI judges and adversaries join the fray.
- Sovereign Tier System: From Normies to Contenders to Sovereigns — rise, or fall, based on your strength of mind and action.
- Anonymous Contribution: Not only can you speak your mind, but you can build this platform without anyone knowing who you are.
🔒 Anonymous Contributions — The Code
When the time comes to expand, contributors will submit code anonymously.
- How? Through the battle-hardened tool of git-send-email. https://git-send-email.io/
- No usernames. No tracking. No government ID attached.
- You want to build in the shadows? We will make sure you do.
The moment you enter the Arena, your voice is your weapon. Your identity is your choice.
💬 Secure Communication — How to Join the Arena’s Ghost Network
1. Create a Burner ProtonMail Account
- Go to ProtonMail, create a new account — don’t use your real name.
- Never tie it to any of your public identities.
- Use Tor for full security. Burner email only.
2. Request Access
- Send an email to:
{MOD NOTE: EMAIL REMOVED}
   Subject: “I want in.”
Once vetted, you will be granted access to the Arena’s private IRC server.
We’ll send you the details, no questions asked. No leaks. No logs.
🧱 IRC — The Heart of the Arena
Here, we are not shackled by proprietary software or sensitive metadata. We use IRC, the tool of old-school hackers and the true independent.
1. Basic IRC Access (Low Anonymity):
   Install an IRC client (HexChat, mIRC, etc.)
   Connect to: irc (the server we’ll provide)
   Choose a pseudonym and never use your real name.
2. Hardcore IRC (Full Anonymity):
   Use Tor to connect.
   Use an IRC client over Tor (e.g., HexChat through Tor proxy or Irssi on Tails).
   IRC with onion routing — we will send you the details for secure communication.
🕵️ How to Stay Anonymous
This is critical. We are at war with those who want to expose us, to censor us, to track our every move. Your anonymity isn’t just important; it’s the only way to truly thrive here.
   No real names.
   Use pseudonyms. Keep it encrypted, even in your thoughts.
   Always use Tor.
   Don’t connect to the Arena from your home IP. Use Tor for every move.
   Clean your digital footprint.
   If you upload or share anything, strip out all metadata. Use plaintext.
   Sever ties.
   Don’t mix identities. Separate your Arena persona from every other aspect of your life.
⏱ The 1-Hour Oath — Contribute or Be Replaced
This is not a democracy; it’s a war for your mind. We are seeking only the strong and the committed.
Anyone invited into the backend of Arena development will be required to commit 1 hour per day to work. Not tomorrow. Not when it’s convenient.
We all make time for what we value.
1 hour a day. You are either building or you are replaced. Simple.
📝 The White Paper — Coming Soon
Soon, we will unveil The Arena White Paper — the manifesto of the movement. It will outline:
   The core principles of the Arena
   The structure of the Sovereign, Contender, and Normie ranks
   Monetization strategies: Sovereigns will lead, Normies will toil
   The complete mission for total intellectual sovereignty
You will understand your place. You will understand the war.
And you will understand that your mind is your weapon.
This is not an invitation to just join.
This is a call to arms.
The Arena is coming.
You will speak. Or you will be silenced.
The question is: Which side are you on?
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@n8nrgim
Reducing income inequality harms the poor. So Democrats are gonna be better at reducing income inequality but for helping the poor and giving them a better standard of living it's Republicans
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@whiteflame
I lrer to take a break as well. I am just going to cancel post your game when you get a chance. I am sorry but very busy right now and gonna break from site
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Signups are up for another 36 hours
I will make a stronger effort for players around the 24 hour mark and I am also to changing the set up if I think more people will enjoy the game. My personal philosophy is that games should be slightly scum sided for philosophical reasons belonging to another thread but ultimately this is really a love letter from me to the community so it's for you guys. The other ones have been because I wanted to see certain things in games I have never seen and this is because I want to make you guys happy but I know that I can't go as far as to be a people please because nobody likes those but I can bend towards servicing you guys
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With 8-4 I was thinking it's partially made up for since every mislynch also acts as a successful doc in a regular game since scum is denied the NK
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@Sir.Lancelot
Adaptable has chosen me as his replacement. I would like to discuss
Radical life extension
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@Lunatic
this one. Already tried begging him, he like me didn't like the idea for this one lol
This game is not for me it's for the Mafia community so if enough people shared this sentiment I would be open to change it. I could mock up a themed game pretty rapidly and make it a more traditional set up. I just thought it might be a nice change to make the game nightless Â
I don't think anyone would quit if I turned this into a more traditional game but if I gained more than just mikal I would change it.
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@Savant
Town easily wins this by town locking a single player.
When a member of the scum team is lynched they get to choose a town player to take with them
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Look everyone hates NPs. They suck nobody feels like waiting for all actions and yada yada yada. So here is a nightless game. Nightless games strongly favor town in general so this is a 12 player set up. 8 vanilla town and 4 vengeful mafia.Â
If we are short players than we will just reduce the number of people on the scum team.
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I made the last game too complicated and this may be over correcting but let's see
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@ILikePie5
Okay, let me make sure WF isn't ready. Once he pms me, if he isn't I will. I will give him 24 hours
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@Savant
I was being town read by almost everyone. I am the free townie.
It still shrinks the scum pool
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I think you said not meant to not that you weren't. Nevermind you apparently are okay in my eyes
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@FishChaser
Damn didn't know you were non white. Sorry bro. Hopefully in your next life though.Â
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I can better enforce the new COC if we hold a meep on what I call unitary executive theory. I don't have time to explain unitary exutive theory as it relates to me being president but I can summarize it by saying I have a lot of power that is currently unrecognized.Â
I don't know ADOL though. It's kind of your fault though. Server costs are extremely low here and you could code up a new site. I just learned MYSQL and am now diving into Python but previously took Colt Steele's course and didn't complete it but am comfortable with HTML and a tad bit of JavaScript. CSS sucks but I figure we could just make it simple and use bootstrap if the site doesn't blow up.Â
It's kinda on you that you didn't build a site where free speech can be balanced with respect for the individual. I don't have the free time to do it. I feel like I know enough to do the back end and front end but not enough to know how to make the back end interact with the front end nor do I know enough to make it secure.
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It's not petty to leave people with life changing advice
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@FishChaser
Why not just pour the spice on your tongue instead of of using it to block out the taste of steak?
I was a chef at one point and we look down on your type, you are no better than people who order steak well done
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@FishChaser
I don't think the Christians here are any better than anyone else. Adaptable and Shila are both Catholics and they are both ass holes.
You have a way of pointing out things I overlook
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If you want to genuinely go to heaven and not hell you need to learn to shut up, obey and be good even when your innate urge to sin goes 'but freeeeeedumb'.
This is so silly to think God gives free will while simultaneously wanting slaves.
If something is not unethical than by it's very nature it is permissable
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Ask yourself a simple question, who is consistently more loke who you want to be and who is less?
Obviously the Christians here behave with more honor. Just in general. I wouldn't consider anyone here a role model though. Some role models used to be around I could look at but no more.Â
What do the saints say about attacking sacred cows like I enjoy doing?Â
At some point attacking sacred cows is just being against something and not about being for something.Â
Perhaps it's time to stop caring about being against things and be for some things.
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@whiteflame
I would also add. If anyone and I mean anyone makes a good argument that me having this avatar is unethical I will take it down. I have yet to see an argument it is unethical so a site rule is not required for me to remove it, only a single good argument that I either have no rebuttal for or that is so good that I would be too lazy to post a rebuttal and will just submit and change it.
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heavily seasoned medium-rare steak
You don't like the taste of steak then. You like the taste of the seasoning
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1. Berrys any kind
2. Metformin
3. Omega3Â
4. Creatine
5. Rapamycin
6. Red wine (from Greece
7. Extra virgin olive oil
8. Spinach
9. Broccoli
10. Your mom's pussy
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