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Ideally we go back to what worked prior to economic interventionism that occurred in the early 1900s. We all basically become independent business owners
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Current Mafia:
Pie - Inheritance Cycle Mafia
Signups:
NA
In the Hopper:
Lunatic-Choose your role!
Casey Risk - ERB Mafia
Mharman - Gunplay Mafia
Austin - Debate Mafia
Wylted- skibidy Toilet
Signups:
NA
In the Hopper:
Lunatic-Choose your role!
Casey Risk - ERB Mafia
Mharman - Gunplay Mafia
Austin - Debate Mafia
Wylted- skibidy Toilet
On Hold:
None
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Also skibidy toilet is not as bad as people make it out to be. Stop being close minded
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@Mharman
I learn new words from my son and I allow him to watching gaming content pretty much unrestricted since gamers have a naturally conservative tilt.
I do have to ban him from channels that get a little too based but those are kind of rare.
The price I pay is that I have to hear retarded slang and be called bro all the time
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No cap I am town and you guys are Ohio.
The only person here who is bussin is mharman. Non of you have rizz.
Skibidy
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I really really want to lynch whoever had the roleblock ability if they even exist though.
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@Mharman
I am willing to take a shot against him. I prefer Austin but also maybe even a counter wagon is pointless because even if we could get whiteflame lynched, it's still probably better to lynch him next DP
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@Mharman
1 hour 30 minutes
For an alternative lynch to work we have to figure out who at least a few of the people on my wagon would be willing to lynch and I have been almost the entire focus of this DP
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Thinking about Cerulean potentially being scum is annoying just because I am the one that let him slide and I realized after the fact that I decreased the amount of mislynches we could do but one, because I did that
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@Mharman
My hesitance on whiteflame and I don't like admitting it because I am so mad I want to give him shit now, is that he did mention being role blocked. What's the scum motivation behind that statement?
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Here is what everyone is forgetting. We can make the correct lynch here and buy ourselves some wiggle room. It doesn't need to be me or nobody. That is a bullshit narrative.
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@Cerulean
Let's get Austin. No way should he be in anyone's town pile.
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@Mharman
2 hours left let's get Austin. If we get lucky and he is the role blocker it gives me a free investigation
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@whiteflame
You know damn well a lynch of me isn't going through and you have no good reason to town read Austin. Let's deviate.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ADreamOfLiberty
Let's lynch Austin
Vtl Austin
Vtl Austin
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Earlier when I said anyone who votes for me is gay. That is still true but now if you do it, you also are an N word.
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@whiteflame
I don't think we are getting anywhere. I know if I was scum in mharman, Earth or Ceruleans shows I would have already been on my own wagon so it isn't making much sense for me for scum to hold back.
I already know how town thinks and know they are not bright enough to do lynch wagon analysis so I already know there is zero risk to being on my wagon, so it makes their moves if they are scum less than ideal for maximizing their potential to win.
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So if the lynch doesn't go through scum have a tough choice. Kill lunatic who will be confirmed town when I am mislynches tomorrow and risk me clearing somebody else or NK the easiest mislynch to prevent me from clearing more town.
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@whiteflame
Lunatic is cleared. I copped him and independent of that he said he was vanillaized meaning it could not have been redirected. It also only vanillaizes town so he couldn't be a godfather or anything like that
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@whiteflame
I agree. It's just that I want you to keep in mind that in order for my lynch to succeed 2 scum have to be on it and ADOL and lunatic are essentially cleared
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@whiteflame
Let's say I am town. Why would Cerulean or mharman or Earth not be the 5th vote. They still might be but why did they make it extremely hard for themselves to be that 5th vote by drawing hard lines?
I honestly think the scum team made an error here and got too aggressive. It's so hard to get a lynch on me that they both needed to be on my wagon early and push hard
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@AustinL0926
This is your mistake. If I was town and there is zero suspicion going to be raised by being the 5th vote than why would anyone leave me alive?
That makes everyone on my wagon town. Who does that leave as scum?
This was your mistake as scum. You should have offered a 3rd option.
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@whiteflame
So scum have a role blocker and a vanillaizer. This makes sense 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
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Somebody told me it was 2 characters and I believed them since nobody corrected them to add roles. Fuck off. I didn't read the op. Never have. Never will
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If I get lynched and you guys don't lynch Austin next DP I am never playing again
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@AustinL0926
And you conveniently claimed cop AFTER people started sussing you for vanillaizing Luna, rightfully so. It's not clearing in the slighest because it's not just clearing Luna, it's a way of trying to work yourself out of the lynch as well.
How in the world would that clear me LOL. It literally doesn't at all.
This logic is also backwards - if you're town, you should look at the people who've been largely hesitating on you today because they don't want to get their hands dirty
Wrong. It literally costs nothing because of all the retarded things you guys consider evidence. If I mislynches Cerulean yesterday it would have done nothing to bring suspicion on me.
If Luna's scum, he has no reason to go on you this hard (not to mention you allegedly cop cleared him). If I'm scum, I have no reason to keep arguing with you and try to genuinely solve your alignment when Luna's already doing that front and center. As for ADOL, his vote is entirely justified, frankly.
Correct, lunatic is confirmed town and ADOL is a noob. It leaves two options. If anyone not on my wagon is scum it's literally non sensual because it won't effect anybody's analysis when I am dead.
If I'm scum and you're town why do I go for you so hard? My modus operandi as scum is literally lying low and abusing TMI to get townread.
Then who is scum because it is literally nonsensical for scum not to be the 5th vote and we know for a fact a lunatic is town and ADOL, well he's obviously town. I think you guys overplayed your hand.
Now they have dug their heals in and it would be hard to change their votes but why didn't they go that way early in the DP? Particularly after Casey's flip?
you've gone for mharman, whiteflame, myself, and a no lynch today
A no lynch is mathematically correct, you are retarded if you disagree. It was also an error not to lynch Cerulean yesterday. By no lynching I took us from a 2 mislynch buffer zone to just a single one. I fucked up by not hammering but since he is probably town it's no big deal.
Mharman knowing for a fact I am town felt like a scum slip I have seen 100 times, but it makes no sense for him to not take me out .
Well you are POE since it is so nonsensical for scum not to hammer me, knowing it will draw zero suspicion on them than it leaves only you and whiteflame as options.
I solved the game already so you claiming I am not working on solving the game is silly.
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@AustinL0926
The best move is exactly the same whether I am town or scum. Stop being dense
Also you are scum. Literally who else on my wagon is scum if you aren't.
Lunatic and ADOL are town which leaves you and whiteflame.
Seriously you should have targeted somebody else this dp
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It's wifom but clearing people to make the game easier for town as scum is retarded. There is no world where scum wylted actually clears lunatic and there is also no world where scum wylted would entangle himself with his scum buddy if lunatic was scum.
It's so easy to lynch me that anyone currently not on my wagon is pretty much cleared as town, except whiteflame who tentatively has his vote on me but not officially.
That leaves 2 scum on my wagon and lunatic is town. The game is virtually aolved TBH
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I doubt you guys are this stupid to think I would actually clear somebody as definite town like lunatic if I was scum.
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@AustinL0926
The additional NK doesn't matter because it will likely remove somebody from somebody's scum pool and give informational roles and additional day to figure things out.
A no lynch is the mathematically correct decision here, it also gives me another investigation. You guys can mislynch me next DP with another town player cleared or with a confirmable result.
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Reminder we get the same amount of mislynches if we no lynch here than if we lynch and we reduce the chances of error by waiting.
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It makes since when you look at things like how capitalism is supposed to be competitive. You can argue that George Bush's Republican party was bad at addressing this but not Trump's.
Part of what gives a corporation a competitive advantage is how they lock down markets
Technically I could invent the cure for cancer in my basement. However it currently costs billions to bring a drug to market and I don't have a billion dollars so I would have to sell the drug to a pharma company. This is because the Democrats have the market over regulated.
If you look at AI. As soon as chat agPT came out, the company that owns chat GPT started begging for regulations and Democrats were happy to create them.
Sam Bankman Freid, remember him? He essentially cornered crypto exchanges and when he did, he begged for regulations?
This shit keeps the billionaires rich and makes it impossible for you to start competitive ventures and beat them.
Right now crypto currency is a way around the monopolistic strangle hold the federal reserve (a private corporation) has over the currency.
Guess who is pushing to heavily regulate crypto
Hell we know that supply and demand is a thing and the higher the demand and the lower the supply, the higher costs rise and create income inequalities. So who is trying to flood 6 figure tech jobs with H1B1 immigrants and drive down American wages? It's not republicans who are for deportation.
The only weapon in the democrat tool box is UBI. However the only realistic way to get the UBI rolling is through what's known as "the Fairtax" this Fairfax comes with a $1000 a month stipend for every American citizen. Guess who opposes the fair tax. That's right Democrats. So even on shit they promise, the Republicans have a more realistic way of getting the ball rolling.
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@borz_kriffle
Also, Wylted, why on earth would you consider DJT’s case to be rigged because it’s politicized and not think about the effect that people’s political opinions could have on a migrant on trial for any crime ever? Half of conservatives would deport them for shoplifting.
Once they obtain citizenship status, deportation should be off the table. I think what's being discussed here is non citizens and they are guests. I think it's fair to say that guests should not come into your house and start shutting up the place
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@Savant
Why? Not doing so isn't harming anyone else. And if you wanted to consent, you'd have a right to do that.
I don't think it's unethical to abdicate that responsibility, unless you are perhaps a mother or father and have dependants . I guess it's a type of quality where I am not sure which side is right or if both sides can be resolved so they are taken into account.
If we look at duty based ethics than you have a duty to yourself to a certain extent which means you should take safety measures.
The ethical egoist would also agree you have a duty to protect yourself.
I guess I might differentiate between the duty based ethics and ethics as to how they relate to society.
So you have an ethical obligation to yourself in the micro which are okay to abdicate. Your responsibility to society such as your responsibility not to be a rapist it would be unethical to abdicate.
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@Earth
No lynching still gives us the same amount of mislynches and with more information, so it's probably the mathematically correct move here
DP1 I think we had 2 mislynches available I should have hammered Cerulean tbh, even if they are town
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@Lunatic
I really don't like mharmans thoughts this game. They feel so much more forced in comparison to his town play. I'd heavily consider looking into mharman if I die tonight.
You don't get to say this when I already told you to switch the vote to him.
It's too late. I as the next likely dead towny now bestow upon him town cred to cancel our this shit. Also you are obviously the prime NKntarget since you are confirmed town
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2 pieces of information I had that made me hesitate to character claim
1. I perceived the character and I haven't read the books as some sort of psychic. To me psychics know stuff they shouldn't so I thought well this character is the obvious cop. When Lunatic worked it out anyway, I thought the scum team peobaby has also. Now I realize that lunatic is a fan of these children's books and knew the theme well.
2. At the time I didn't realize scum had 2 free questions about what characters are in the game. It would have been less important to keep my character secret, knowing this.
1. I perceived the character and I haven't read the books as some sort of psychic. To me psychics know stuff they shouldn't so I thought well this character is the obvious cop. When Lunatic worked it out anyway, I thought the scum team peobaby has also. Now I realize that lunatic is a fan of these children's books and knew the theme well.
2. At the time I didn't realize scum had 2 free questions about what characters are in the game. It would have been less important to keep my character secret, knowing this.
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@Lunatic
It’s not that I’m unwilling or unable to see a world where Wylted is town, but even if he is town I just don’t see the harm of the lynch w
I do, because we get just as many mislynched if we lynch today as we do if we lynch next DP and I can clear one more person.
We are likely 6-2
Mislynch and NK put us at 4-2
No more mislynched
No lynch plus NK puts us at 5-2
Then we still only get the one mislynch but have more information going in
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@AustinL0926
Just to be clear, I want Mharman's claim because I see him as a strong potential partner for you - so I'm struggling to understand the pov from which you're scumreading him if you're truly town.
I perceive him "knowing" I am town as a scum slip. It used to be the community was smart enough to know that is a common scum slip
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@AustinL0926
I... you literally claimed to vanillaize an unclaimed person right after you promised you would use it on a negative utility role. I don't really believe that you thought you would be just fine, and in fact this expectation that people would treat it as such, rather than a more realistic assessment of the situation, is part of why I'm scumreading you, since it feels explicitly fake.
I don't even know what point you were trying to make here?
The point is that by being deceptive with my target I better ensured no funny business. It's common and expected for town to be deceptive about targets to keep the scum team on their heels and not able to plan their night actions as well.
On DP1 I just said I vanillaize. I only pointed out that it only works with town on dp2. If they thought I was vanillaizing town than they wouldn't block or redirect me. If lunatic was scum and I said I was targeting him to vanillaize clearly my role would be messed with. This is like when a doctor says I am targeting person A, they then assume the scum team will believe them and NK person B, so they actually just protect person B. This type of deception and meta game is expected.
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I honestly have to flip my my read on mharman. No way does he not come after me as scum when enough people have made it easy to do so. My new team is whiteflame/Austin
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@AustinL0926
 I also heavily dislike the way Wylted went about his claim - it feels insanely convenient that he claimed Cop after he got called out for vanillaizing someone, and if you recall, it's not even a guarantee of risking a CC - mafia can ask about two roles, as mentioned in the OP.
I think it said 2 characters not roles. This is the second time I caught you in this lie. The first time I thought it was just a mistake, but repeating it after I correct you means it's an obvious lie.
It's that's a stupid narrative. How would adding cop to my claim be convenient when everyone thought I was just a vanillaizer?
If I come in here claim I am also a watcher tomorrow and just keep adding shit to the role, does that seem like convenient lies to you ?!it's either an inconvenient truth or I am intentionally shooting myself in the leg.
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@Savant
You are responsible for having good opsec. The person legally responsible is the rapist but you also have a responsibility to keep yourself safe.
I wouldn't say it's your fault only that you have a responsibility there.
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@borz_kriffle
If somebody is convicted up rape it takes a jury of 12, a unanimous conviction and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Most of these are not politicized cases where the lawyers and judges are doing underhanded things for political revenge. I would say if you find a politicized case than that person should be the exception to the deportation rule.
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@Sidewalker
It's even weirder to think that half the country voted for a rapist for POTUS.
The alternative was complete destruction of the country so not an easy choice
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@Sidewalker
I didn't say you like all rapists but it's weird to think that migrant rapists should hold a privileged position in society
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@Mharman
People always look for claims. I don't care. I usually only look for claims to get a better feel for somebody but if they are on the scum list already it's not like it will clear them
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Republicans presented a compromise bill to deport rapists and democrats shoot down the bill. The bill just barely managed to get passed but why do democrats like rapists?
I think the conversation went something like this.
Republicans- can we at least deport the ones that are rapists
Democrats- no, we like rapists
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@Earth
The correct thoughts are sedavacantism, but he has accepted the heretics of vatican 2 and the current pope. I will be writer a more full argument for sedavacantism when I have some time.
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@Greyparrot
Isn't the lawsuit that they knew the AI was defective?Â
Couldn't you test out the AI on past known cases to see how accurate it was?Â
I just wonder if the lawsuit has legs and what steps they took
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