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Me and budda now tied for badges and I get a new badge like on a daily
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first gold badge bitches https://www.debateart.com/participants/Wylted/medals?medals_type=gold
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We should just have 4 roles each, because nobody else does shit
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@Buddamoose
I missed the post. Why town read the pirate?
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argent was late on both, so not leading the lynches but just jumping on convenient bandwagons
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Grey (6/6) - Wylted, Supa, Warren, Argent, Vaar, LM
Supa (7/7) - Aporia, Budda, Argent, DPR, Warren, Wylted, Grey
Those are the lists. Argent is on both. I know lynch train analysis has fallen out of favor but I think it could be useful.
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@Buddamoose
Yes, so why single out just one player in that group, when the rationale for the one being scum, doesnt apply to them exclusively?
Him doing it stuck out in my head, but when I reread the vote counts it was missing, which to me is also suspicious. Did he avoid those lynches because he knew they were town and so he could later on point out that he was on no town wagons. I'm looking for barely active people who are atleast 4 votes in on the lynch. I think argent might be the only one that fits now, not sure.
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@Buddamoose
Your logic has really been terrible though. I can't even chalk that up to you being scum sadly. Bowing out will do nothing. Either I guess correctly tonight and die or you lynch me at some point and I die, nobody is going to be able to take this spot and make everyone town read him. It's not even a scum tell that I pushed so hard for a lynch. If anything bowing out just prevents the next person from taking a spot they can succeed in.
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@MagicAintReal
I think you've been wanting to read a raltar debate and vote, since you guys are friends
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@Vader
You are probably working too hard at not being awkward, just be yourself and people will come around.
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Guys, I'm losing it a bit. I tend to have a lot of ruminating thoughts and they get pretty twisted. I think the debate with RM and me thinking of reasons I should kill myself started it. At home I put on a decent facade of having it all together sometimes, but on here the mask comes off. I did see a psychologist that told me basically to get out of my own head, and I feel like I was doing well, and then the debate with RM got me ruminating and also when I play pool, I noticed that I choke a lot under pressure, but that if I start thinking of dying I can set off a little panic attack in myself that helps me to stop over focusing and shoot at the top of my game. That as well I think has started me on a path that isn't good.
I'm becoming a bit unraveled. My anxiety has worsened, I am constantly scanning for threats, A type of paranoia takes over. Panic attacks worsen. My memory plays games on me. All of your names are getting jumbled together so I may remember budda saying something that sloth actually says, or remember an action GP took that actually was something vaarka did. I'm trying my best in this game though. It just isn't good enough.
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That wasn't lunatic. It was argent I thiink. I don't know just odd both DPs had barely active people who managed to jump on when we needed the push for the lynch. I think I meant argent but confused her with lunatic
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@Buddamoose
Just popping up at convenient times to help lynches on town members go through and what not.
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I ask for reads to see if we can build a consensus or to see who I need to persuade. Not sure the utility of asking for them otherwise. Town supa, scum lunatic. Null everyone else
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It's not towny. I just want everyone to know no other role fits with that soft claim
Fucking auto correct on this phone randomly inserts shit
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It's not town as long as you know that there is no other role that claim could be, I'may happy though
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I am of many minds. Almost like multiple personality
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@Buddamoose
I don't trust any of my reads at all. I'm very embarrassed for getting GP wrong. Now I doubt any thought that enters my head is worthy of entertaining
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Again more stupid shit. The role is useless or useful depending on my mood and circumstances get it through your head retard
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I apologize to child molestors, rapists, serial killers and Bernie Sanders voters by putting you on their level by calling you a piece of shit
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There is only one way to interpret that soft claim now that I have pieced it together for you. Anyone who votes me now should just be sterelized
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Prior to the game starting it was most likely going to be useful, but I landed in a scenario where it may be useful. Please don't reproduce you fucktard nobody should come into the world with those genetics. Nobody should be so stupid as to misinterpret all 3000 of my statements this game. You think by accident you would interpret one correctly, but you are a subhuman piece of shit, so you can't even accidentally get an interpretation correct.
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@Buddamoose
I said I intended to name tonight's target moron, but now it is pointless. Are you seriously mentally retarded or do you just not understand reading comprehension
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@Buddamoose
What precisely is useful about my information?Idk, you're the one that said it would be!?!I have to announce my visits prior to the end of the DP, because you guys will find the information useful when I die.Post #3 this DP... 💀
Not a contradiction. This is what I mean about you being ignorant. If I name my target and I die it town confirms somebody
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Here is my first post of DP1 and clearly a soft claim.
I also consider my night action power as useless. I certainly hate these types of roles, though I kind of play one in real life. I talked about playing one in the first chapter of my unrefined yet to be written memoir on entering the fostercare system. I want more information on aporia. Like what her experience level is possible former user names I would recognize and why she thinks being formidable as mafia is reason to get an early claim.
In the following debate https://www.debateart.com/debates/244 I refer to a post I made about my memoir I was hoping to start working on. Here is the post the debate linked to https://www.reddit.com/r/fosterit/comments/93j2hw/the_journey_home/?fbclid=IwAR33Z54u-kBhwIeZQ8WAPak0EV1mz0WC2TJqMwI2u_zxt17pdJWOvRq3yTw
I behave like a martyr a lot this post in the story explains it
I knew it, here we go with this shit again, and on another school night at that. How could I save my siblings from this nonsense? I figured it out, the way I always do. “I hid the peanut butter, some place you’ll never find it asshole” I screamed at him. He lifted me up and threw me into the fridge. He yelled at Lisa and Chris to go to bed and turned his attention back to me. He punched me in the stomach and slammed me into the fridge again. “Where is the peanut butter fucker?”! “Fuck you!”, I responded back.
He dropped me and walked towards the living room. This was going to be another long night. I followed him. “You have to stop protecting your siblings” he said. I was actually shocked he knew what I was doing. “They’ll never learn to take responsibility if you always martyr yourself for them”. The fact he knew I was innocent didn’t protect me from his all night drunken, manic ramblings. Repeating his same tired phrases.
My role is body guard. If my target is NKed I get killed instead. I scum read budda and thought aporia was a good target. My character is ODO . I thought after that warren was the only remaining competent player and would be an NK target.
I thought keeping the role secret would be useful, because if I name my target and then I die, it basically would town confirm that player after my flip is seen. I view the role is useless because it involves the games best player dying. Namely me
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@Buddamoose
What precisely is useful about my information? I'll claim soon let me write this debate up against BSH1. Fuck it, I'll do it now and explain how my soft claim is 100% supporting this role claim. give me 5 minutes, but I think the role has value if not outted yet.Ah, so you will withhold useful information from town as if a child throwing a fit? And this is supposed to make me or anyone else not want to lynch you because?
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@Buddamoose
I'm not stalling. You literally can't lynch me yet unless you get 3 town votes on me. If that happens I will likely get scared enough to claim unless I sense one of those 3 votes is from scum in which case I will wait for 4 votes. Plus I have to consider whether claiming will actually prevent my lynch. If it will I have reason to do so, if not than there is no point plus I already said who I visited so you have that information to work with.
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The first few pages of the DP are played in a unique way seperate from the rest of the game. Plus GP acted like he knew supa was town, which only scum should 100% know he was town at that point. I always look for reads that are a bit too on the money
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@Buddamoose
I didn't. In fact i explicitly have said if this were true your SR on GP was then inconsistent with you voting antithetical to meta to progress the DP, and passing that off as town behavior.tl;dr- its scummy for others, but town when you do it. Thats inconsistency and opportunism.
Retarded. We are talking early in the dp vs late, and we aren't even talking about his decision to hammer, we are talking about his over selling a reluctance to do so, while still do so and making a show of the whole thing. It's not scummy for him to get on a wagon he disagrees with. It was scummy for him to do so in that way. The waffling, putting on a show about his reluctance etc.
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I just target who best leads the town as scum so I can remove them from that role and take it. vaarka did not fit that bill
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@Buddamoose
As if I can specifically remember the post numbers. I expect them to just find it on their own. Also, I knew he was scum so it was more about selling the lynch at that point. Like I said I thought I was going to have to claim a cop result if I didn't get enough votesAnd much of that early analysis was pointing out he was being hella consistent to his town/null meta and how he reads people. Furthermore, i mean, for how little my analysis had to do with you SR'ing GP... you sure kept bringing it up alot without actually providing specific posts.
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@Buddamoose
"my reasons for voting GP weren't cause of ur analysis."Post #81 by you
Anyone who reads through the last 4 pages of dp1, looks at budda's analysis and uses common sense knows gp is scum.
Yes, anybody who reads through the last 4 pages, will notice GP's behavior was scummy, but they should also read your analysis and have seperate reasons after reading your analysis to know he was scummy, heaping more coals on the fire if you will. I'm asking them to consider a million different things in their analysis.
"Re-analyzing Buddas post has merit""GP's behavior is inconsistent with his reads and meta."Quite literally 95% of my analysis on GP reinforced he was overwhelmingly remaining consistent in reads and town/null meta. So my analysis on GP has merit, except the most relevant part to why you were holding him as scum in post #5?
So what. We disagreed with meta but the things you pointed out about behavior had some merit. Like WTF, so we disagreed on a point. It doesn't mean I didn't think you offered some good analysis. I wasn't asking them to look at your conclusions, only your premises. They are supposed to come to their own conclusions.
On a "meta" note. You should stay away from meta analysis. From thinking FT was in a debate about the noov rule, to GP, you are illustrating you have little grasp on meta, despite trying to contrive that you do.
I'm aware. What I meant to say which I think is the same thing is that he seems to have a hard headed mentality outside of the game and is unwilling to flynch on his views, so I just thought it would carry over into the game. I usually ignore meta for the most part, but yes I get a lot of details wrong, mixing up users, games etc.
My philosophy early on has remained consistent. Target unknowns early with the exception of clear noobs
Except this is even further inconsisten with your behavior. You say you've been targeting unknowns. This is wholly out of line with your bw onto me early DP1. Our experience with one another goes way back
except you ignored the part where I said that we shouldn't have too many wagons. I was ambivalent about who I voted for at that point but I got what I wanted from my wagon so I helped aporia with his.
Is your skull really this thick or do I actually need to break everything down for you? I feel like I have already said the above like 1000 times in one fashion or another,
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I asked if you were silenced to see if I had like a secret flavor like I silence people, I visit. I didn't hear from aporia last DP or warren this DP, so I still don't know if this role is flavored to silence people I visit.
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The information will be unavailable if I out the role. Like if I say I will visit you tonight, then perhaps the information will be useful next dp
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@Buddamoose
No, the information you get from my role will be useful. Fighting for that lynch of GP was clearly not motivated by self preservation
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@Buddamoose
Where does a anything I say to Argent contradict post number 5? I don't have time to actually write down all my reasons for wanting to lynch somebody. None of those things were contradictions, and both were attempts at securing a lynch more than they were at actually exposing my logic, not that it matters because neither post contradicted the other or say what you idiotically think they say
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Maybe I am being pedantic, but I think what you said was not a fair representat ion of what I meant there. I'mean very particular about what meaning I want to be taken away and. Your interpretation is slightly off.
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@Buddamoose
Things I said to argent. Not what argent said. Like seriously what the duck is wrong with you. This is some serious twisting, and yeah i'll probably have to full claim soon, but hopefully I don't have to. I was hoping to die in the night and help town avoid what seems like a mislynch that is bound to happen at some point if not today
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You're an idiot. I haven't attempted to generate town tells on myself. Him voting Supa was not the only inconsistent scummy action. His waffling is more indicative of scumminess aso well as some other stuff I pointed out and stuff I refused to.
My philosophy early on has remained consistent. Target unknowns early with the exception of clear noobs and don't have too many wagons, support a random one if you have to. My early please has been identical without much change for several years.
My read on GP had nothing to do with the reasons you mentioned, you're being an idiot or a liar again. My reads were for the reasons I mentioned and for reasons I have not been able to find words to describe.
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@ethang5
I would have preferred to stay with my mom, but when given the choice I always picked my dad because my siblings picked my mom and I was concerned about his feelings being hurt. I wanted him to know we loved him despite preferring mom.
I was 16 years old when the state declared me an adult and emancipated me. I gained full custody of my siblings at 16
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I think you are referring to one of the night kills as a mislynch.
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@ethang5
No he was American and him and my mother would kidnap me and my siblings back and forth after their divorce and before any custody hearings happened. I guess my dad got tired of losing so the last time he did it, we drove 3000 miles to Florida. It was a perfectly legal kidnapping, so perhaps it shouldn't be labeled one, but it sure seemed like one.
One day my mom would show up to pull us out of school early, the next day my dad would show up at a grocery store with a cop to grab us while we were shopping. They both constantly used the police to help with kidnappings. The police were just there to make sure that neither my mom nor dad interfered physically with the other parent grabbing us. Sometimes a parent could get all 3 of us, sometimes only one, but there were 3 of us so they could always get atleast one
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Me lynching innocent players is now being brought up in debates. This whole site is full of assholes who stalk me and to the point of knowing everything I wrote in forums they don't even participate in
My opponent was online frequently throughout the day and had ample time to participate in other activities on the site, including a game of forum mafia where he successfully incited the other players to lynch an innocent individual.
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I wanna be replaced so bad right now. I can't do 15 posts of decent quality because I'm just going to keep all my analysis to myself. All of it sucks anyway.
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@ethang5
Could it be you blamed your mom for not protecting you?
No, I have always blamed myself for bad events that happen to me or anyone around me. Plus my dad kidnapped us, so it wasn't her fault she wasn't around
Tough childhood. How is your relationship with your siblings now?
Okay, I guess,
It means you have a high libido. The fact that it's any woman means the woman doesn't matter, the sex does. If it's just the sex, highly attractive men will set off your response too whether you like it or not. So you over compensate by being hyper on vaginas.
There is literally nothing attractive about men. I have no clue why woment want to fuck us. I understand the logic behind it though.
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@Buddamoose
Then even more doubly so when you ripped into my analysis as absolute shite, but it being shite totally changes when I flip town and magically makes Grey scum?
Your asanalysis is shit. Go back to my dp1 commentary on it, I point out how it isn't based on solid logic. Some of the commentary was good, the ones based on good logic. I thought the shitty logic was a scummy thing before, because I was thinking, "Hey Budda's smart, he would only use logical fallacies, if he was trying to force some reads".
That said, i didn't think every statement was based on bad logic.
My guess would be he was trying to say you were trapping him DP1. You insisted he vote Supa, then came out immediately DP2 and flipped on ur read. Thats a pretty blatant and transparent set up of an FoS.
True, it seems so. I knew it would look that way if he flipped inno, but I was certain he was guilty, so I didn't care. I'm in shock now. I've never felt so strongly about somebody being guilty been wrong. I know you've felt that stongly and was wrong before.
I assume I'll be lynched this dp/ I made a huge error. I was 100% sure that GP was guilty., so I pushed hard for his lynch. I saw him do things I saw scum do, like waffle on the hammer. I thought man town would not be scared to look scummy after a wrong quick hammer, but scum percieve hammering as drawing suspicion on themselves. I saw tons of actions that could be attributed to scum.
I have no reads, the ones I had before, I'm dismissing. Apparently I can't contribute any behavioral analysis, since I suck at it. I don't trust myself, I feel lost. I'm mad at myself and want to quit after being wrong. I keep going out of a sense of obligation, but don't want to. I don't want to sub in either. I'll just hurt town.
I was so certain he was guilty, so I almost claimed cop who got a guilty result?
My guess would be he was trying to say you were trapping him DP1. You insisted he vote Supa, then came out immediately DP2 and flipped on ur read. Thats a pretty blatant and transparent set up of an FoS.
NO, he said he hammered supa as some sort of set-up to prove I was scum, not as me laying a trap for him. Me laying a trap for him would have made sense from his POV, but from his POV it shows a contradiction. He claimed he knew I was town, but also claimed he knew I was scum and laying a trap for me (in referance to DP1 not dp2 where his read changed). He was lying about his motivations for hammering dp1, with that statement. He also refused to answer one user who asked him about his motivations. Why would any towny not immediately answer a simple question? I assumed the only explanation was that he was scum who was trying to buy time to make up a lie, or he couldn't think of a good lie so was just trying to dodge the question.
I have boxes I check off in my head. I think of each behavior and the possible meanings. Sometimes I will actually write down a list of all possible meanings, and if no town reasons come up, than I place them in the scum category. No town reasons came up for lying about setting me up for a trap. Some doubt about his guilt started to creep into my mind, but when he blatantly lied it secured it for me.
Your terrible logic, made me put you in the scum category. The behavior I analyzed was "budda was making some absolutely horrible and what should be obvious logical fallacies". I thought what town motivations could explain this, and what came to my head is that you're an idiot who is just too stupid to recognize your own cognitive distortions or to know when you are making a fallacious statement, and then I thought "That can't be right, budda is a smart guy. I then started to think of scum reasons. I thought, it makes sense. scum can't actually create scum tells on town, because members of town are town, so what they might do is have to use fucked up logic to make it look like they're doing real world actual analysis.
You were town, so I realized I was wrong about something there, but I can't figure it out. I still can't. You could be scum right now, which sucks if you are because I need honest criticism about how I scum hunt.
Below is another example of shitty logic, but apparently that is not a scum tell for you so I can't put you as scum, but it can work to illustrate my frustration.
, but it being shite totally changes when I flip town and magically makes Grey scum?
No, I explained my scum read was for the reasons I listed for argent, not for your reads. I merely thought your analysis on him specifically had merit, not that your analysis made him guilty. The above is shitty logic because it distorts what happened instead of looking at what actually happened. In budda's mind "Wylted claimed GP was scum because of my analysis on him" In reality what happened was "wylted scum read GP because his waffling at the end, blatant lying about setting a trap and all the reasons he gave argent, but also thought budda's analysis had some merit and could help explain why GP was scum".
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You'll still do that stupid shit of distorting reality though and thinking some off the wall shit, like above. I just wish you wouldn't .
"He's ringing every town and scum alarm at the same time."
You'll still do that stupid shit of distorting reality though and thinking some off the wall shit, like above. I just wish you wouldn't .
"He's ringing every town and scum alarm at the same time." Note, players who do that are usually town, as the scum alarms can be attributed to townies generally caring less about how they look in comparison to actually catching scum.
Townies shouldn't care how they look period, end of story.
I'll still town read on supa. I think him wanting to lynch budda at the beginning of dp2 was a clear tell that he had no clue who the NK was, and honestly I think he is too stupid to be able to generate that town tell in a phony way. I'm still just going to get on the biggest wagons and stay there because I can't trust my own thoughts at all.
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Reading vaarka's Pm we got lucky with the NK choice, sweet.
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