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@Buddamoose
I can easily fake a post like that. Grey Parrot cannot easily contrive that response. I don't give a shit what your read on me is. You won't lynch me before DP3, and I don't expect myself to be around DP3. I certainly won't be here DP4.Because? it was shallow analysis. Those kinds of posts are easily contrived. You just puffed yourself up, you really expect the town reaction is going to be, "nope, certainly no way Wylted is clever enough to contrive that. Must have been a town tell."
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You can challenge me to a debate on noob pressure vs experienced pressure if you want, so long as I am allowed to copy and paste FT's arguments against you or against some opponent he had with the exact same flawed reasoning for thinking noob pressure was better.
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@Buddamoose
How are you misunderstanding everything I say? Is this contrived or are you on here high off of crack or something? A noob town slip is worse than a noob scum slip, and no they don't happen just as often because people are generally town more often than they are scum.
I also don't know how people like you exist that always town read me when I am scum and scum read me when I am town. I don't buy your read as legitimate here because I scum read you, but honestly if you are always wrong about me, just do the smart thing and read me opposite of what you feel so you can be right 100% of the time as opposed to wrong 100% of the time.
It's not my job to not look scummy. It's your job to recognize me as unorthodox and stop idiotically believing unorthodox=scummy. I don't act scummy jack ass.
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It is an easily contrived question, but I like greyparrot's response. I'll move him to the town pile for the moment
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We can't do group PMs here right? So how does the scum PM work?
Are the PMs offsite or something?
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Or maybe I don't scum read you but unlike warren I know what the hell I'm doing when it comes to reaction tests. I wouldn't count on it though.
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@Buddamoose
You do understand the purpose of the analogy wasn't the specific position, it was the players being rookies. And it was an observation of probability. The players most likely to belie their affiliation are rookies. Yes, there is a risk that they act scummy and get lynched. But that risk is present when pressuring any player...
I think you lost to FT in a debate over this where his criticisms are the same as mine. Noob slips are a bad thing. They're easy to read as scum anyway and when the claim doctor or cop at L3 or something it's usually bad. I know the difference between a noob slip and a scum slip but many of you guys will lynch because a noob misread his role or character or something. Even when I am scum I can usually wriggle my way out of a lynch and won't feel pressure even at L2. Noobs are different. They can feel like a few votes are serious pressure and release information they shouldn't.
When you pressure a noob during RVS, it is extremely rare for it to have good results. Pressuring experienced players is a better strategy but still not optimal. What is optimal is pressuring people you generally have a hard time reading so you can pin them down with their soft claims and have a more reliable read near the end game. I honestly don't have a hard time reading you. I think you're scum right now. You aren't even tunneling with as much heart as you normally do.
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Band wagons more than he would others does not mean generally bandwagons. It just means it is in a believable range of probability. I assume in about 20% of similar circumstances GP would bandwagon me without much information. Maybe as much as 35% of the time in similar circumstances. That is well above average without being the general almost default move.
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@Aporia
I think he said it was to illicit reactions. What I want to know is his premises for thinking it will illicit reactions that are affiliation indicative. Wouldn't anyone regardless of affiliation call him on his bullshit in a similar way? I don't see how the reactions would be useful.
His response to this may help me figure out if this is a well thought out strategy on his part to generate scum tells or if he was actually trying to play up his noobiness like scum tend to do.
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@Aporia
Trying to make us think this was his first game. thinking the wagons were all intended to be lynches and the phony enthusiasm of the first post. Seen scum play up their noobishness plenty of times, but they are usually noobs when they do so.
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It's contrived because it is bad. If some of these people used bad logic, I would just assume it's because they are mentally disabled, but I know Buddamoose isn't mentally disabled so the only explanation for the bad logic is that it is contrived.
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I've been reading all day but not responding. I was mostly concentrating on budda's posts for the second reading of the DP and the posts of warren supa and vaarka for the 3rd read. I honestly get warren vaarka and supa confused for each other a lot because of the quality of their posts, though I feel guilty for putting warren in their because he is a cut above them in terms of reading comprehension. Playing ability is a different story.
I want to know why vaarka voted for lunatic before I firm my read of town on him up. I want to know why Supa struggled with reading comprehension of posts to the degree he did. I suspect it is because when somebody is scum, particularly if they hate being scum than they have a hard time keeping track of the game, but they post out of a sense of obligation anyway. I think that is what is going on there, but want his explanation.
warren I want to hear his philosophy on the stunt he pulled. currently it sounds like bullshit
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I'm not even going to try and contemplate why you ignored that shit I posted. I assume it's because I hit the nail on the head.
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I'd be comfortable lynching budda or supa, thought I think they wouldn't be scum together. If they were in the same scum PM, budda maybe would have helped him sound less lost.
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@Vader
There was about 20 posts between him and budda talking about why he did. Please start paying attention. How can you generate reads if you entirely missed the contents of about 20 posts covering the same subject?Idk why u voted Budda in first place
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@Vaarka
If you already have a 3 person scum team why are you voting for lunatic?If there's a third scum, warren is it calling it now
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@Vaarka
Please fix thatOh I remember, I was gonna tell you guys that my attention span doesn't cover your long-ass posts (which aren't even that long ngl)
Also Vaarka was my town read
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Warren and budda in my scum pile. I have one town read but forgot who it was,
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Who hasn't posted yet? Mcsloth lunatic who else?
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I think Buddamooseis scum. All of his analysis seems contrived. He also seems like hewould rather insult people’s logic (using logical fallacies to doso) rather than scum hunt.
“This actuallydoes not provide a reason for why, a self proclaimed narcissist,would cede control of a DP, amd bw onto a wagon based upon reasoningyou were explicit and clear that you didn't agree with.”
In this postbuddamoose pretends as if he doesn’t realize that you can disagreewith somebody’s strategy of targeting experienced players first,without criticizing their choice of who to target. I might thinkBuddamoose is good to target for reasons not pertaining toexperience, but he pretends as if that is impossible.
“ Then youare pretty much admitting you pulled that reasoning out of ur rear?Cause, to get this straight, GP is not sus for bw'ing because becausehe idolizes you so that explains why, but him idolizing you actuallyisnt going to generally cause a bw. “
In this postbuddamoose pretends as if he doesn’t realize somebody can have ahigher than normal chance of band wagoning me and still not be amindless ape. He acts like he doesn’t understand the role influenceplays and is insinuating the only two options are mindless ape orsomeebody who is a completely independent thinker. This is not badlogic on budda’s part this is all contrived. If it wasn’t thanatleast one thing he says would point to genuine scum hunting asopposed to just questioning the logic of others and making contrivedstatements based on obviously faulty logic.
“s i said, if youare forming a gameplan in say football, you don't form a gameplanaround attacking the cornerback that's a veteran and is considered aformidable corner, you go after the rookie, it simply put generatessuccess far more often than going after that veteran who has seen itall before. “
This is ridiculous,besides the obvious reason that we don’t actually know who theopposing team is, it could be us attacking the rookie on our team, itjust isn’t necessarily true of good strategy. Sometimes you attackthe strong corner because you have the best receiver in the league,and the rookie corner is also guarding a rookie. Or maybe the otherteam is playing Man with one corner but using the zone defense on theother side of the field which is tough to throw against particularlyif your quarterback is a rookie.
“2 wagons with 1vote each during RVS, does not derail a game by a third person going,"neither of you two are pressuring smartly" and voting adifferent person. In fact, that is fmpov what a townie would do. Why?The goal of town is for town to control the direction of DP's. On DP1one doesn't know who is or is not town, so if you see people placingvotes you disagree with, as town you attempt to assert control anddrive it in a direction you agree with because the only player oneknows is conclusively town or strong town during RVS, is ones”
More obviouslycontrived logic. During RVS in most games you have about 5 differentwagons in the beginning because most people in the town pile are lowIQ individuals. Unless you have a town read on somebody it is betterto go after an already established target to begin generating readsthan form a new wagon that is entirely useless. We need to supporteach other unless we have a town read on somebody that is beingtargeted, otherwise the game won’t progree. Budda knows this thoughand is just intentially and knowingly using stupid logic.
“On a final note,if the purpose of your pressure was to get me to produce content togauge affiliation, congrats, the content has been produced. So whereis your read. If you haven't been able to gauge it yet, howschocking, it's almost as if its harder to gauge experienced playersaffiliation. “
Your cockiness isastounding, you suck at mafia which is why we already have a scumread on you. Instead of using contrived logic, you should have beenusing good logic. You are easy to see through.
'”m just sayingdude, it's becoming pretty obvious your letting him bw'ing you affecthow your viewing his behavior. I get it, you don't want to FoSsomeone who bw'd you because then they'll usually stop bw'ing you.But he's gonna stop anyways because he never agreed with your wagonto begin with. So once another wagon gains comparable steam, he'sgonna abandon voting with you anyways, whether or not his motive isto generate a wagon ASAP, which doesn't make sense as a motiveanyways.”
Obviously bad andcontrived logic. Yes you should build wagons early and support onesthat you might not prefer if that is what it takes to build them. Iwant to generate reads fast and progress the game at a very rapidpace.
“Faking posts isntindicative of affiliation... and it's not risky... okay bud.”
It’s usuallyindicative of affiliation, unless it’s me. You should also be scumreading warren. I don’t know why he thinks a bunch of people whohave played a lot of games with him, would believe he was a noob.This is more contrived bad logic on your part.
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@Vader
I agree with budda. No scum hunting from him just contrived logic and acting like he is confused about the good logic of othersScum team is Aporia and Budda confirmed. I honestly am so fucking lost and their logic is insane
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Now he is lying about being one of my fans. Who am I nickleback. Just own it dude
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Now you guys got one of my fans to turn on me. Thanks. I hope you feel good about yourselves. I gave you guys a soft claim early on that will take quite a bit of bullshitting to walk back. Unless you're looking to actually lynch me I think you should back off.
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@Vaarka
Most people idolize me. You're overthinking the braggadocioness of a narccissist. Also he clearly chearleads me a bit because we both are clearly part of a small handfull of paleo conservatives or beliefs that closely resemble that here. I don't think I've ever disagreed with a statement he has made, so he likely has never disagreed with a statement I have made, so it would be natural to cheerlead me a bit. He chearleads me in political threads, and you avoid those threads so I don't expect you to have seen it, not that it is all that noticable anyway.Since when has GP ever idolized you?
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@Vaarka
Obviously the rest is not meant to be explained until I claim. Also I never said my role was useless. I said I consider my role useless. In my hands the role is useless, in yours it would not be.Okay, cool to know you're useless at night and all, but what is the bolded.
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budda, two people posted. I don't think greyparrot is a mindless ape, that will automatically vote for whoever I vote for, I just said I think he idolizes me a bit. Even if he were a mindless ape who would always vote the way I vote, I still don't have a scum read at the moment and am not that interested in getting him to vote the way I do.
I flipped votes because aporia gave me the information I requested. It's that simple. I already gave a soft claim on my very first post. I think that is sufficient.
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His timing could be attributed to going and taking a shower and having dinner with his family or some other routine things. I think Grey parrot idolizes me so the parroting isn't suspicious at the moment. Just a fan being a fan
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@Aporia
I don't believe in pressuring noobs early either neccesarily, they seem to have odd slips that can easily be interpreted incorrectly by an anxious town. I guess I'll help with budda for now. I usually prefer to target unknown quantities this early.
I'll help you for now, unless I change my mind after I wake up tommorrow.
VTL Budda
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BSH1 used to typically have 3 mafia in a 12 player game.
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Even for a gay guy bsh1 is anal, putting the names in alphabetical order.
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@Aporia
Also my former username was Spinko.
Oh, I remember you (if you are really spinko), though we have rarely crossed paths. I disagree with the pressuring experienced players early philosophy, but have seen it used before.
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I also consider my night action power as useless. I certainly hate these types of roles, though I kind of play one in real life. I talked about playing one in the first chapter of my unrefined yet to be written memoir on entering the fostercare system. I want more information on aporia. Like what her experience level is possible former user names I would recognize and why she thinks being formidable as mafia is reason to get an early claim.
Also VTL Aporia
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Why not just mod appropriately to begin with instead of waiting until you start a shit storm? I think virtuous would have just avoided the shit storm to start with and done things appropriately.
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@thett3
when did tranny become the new n word anyway
I started a blog about transhumanism years back, and I called myself some variation of the word trans, and I started to notice I was building a huge following. Half of my users referred to themselves as a tranny in the user name, and I think all of the users were confused about the blogs theme, but kept coming back to read more of it. I'm embarrassed to say it took me a long time before I figured out that most of my users thought I was transexual, and were showing my blog support based strictly on that alone. I think I ended the blog with about 200 users. I have been more involved with the trans community than BSH1 or anybody else un the site who is not transexual ever has. He honestly just makes him self look stupid by thinking any more than 1% of that population is offended by the word.
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@Smithereens
Banning "Tranny" but allowing "Fuck you bitch" is not sensibly consistent
Honestly it should be the reverse (if either should be banned). One is actually intended as an insult.
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@Castin
Now I am thinking that the rest of his username is a code for when the end of the world will take place
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For fuck sake. Almost everyone here wants virtuous to create that mega thread and you to step down entirely or atleast as his back up
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@Username
You sound like a Canadian right now
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Not really. Random bystanders act as a safeguard of only one debater being able to report
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@Vaarka
He is what he is. If he was capable of moderating appropriately and being more lax, he would have went the sensible direction to begin with
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Many situations could develop so only one debater can report unfair votes, which would be too big of an advantage to overcome in most debates
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@drafterman
1. I might not report a vote because I don't want to look like a whiny bitch.
2. Intimidating my opponent out of reporting votes who just so happens to get less unfair votes than me
3. pretending like I don't want the debate moderated but report every vote 24 hours before the end of the debate so only votes in his favor are removed.
4. waiting until opponents leave the site or get banned before reporting votes, even if I had more unfair votes than them, altering the outcome of the debate.
Now my hand is cramping from all the writing. I'm sure you can figure out more
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No because what if somebody dies before the voting period of the debate as could happen in this debate https://www.debateart.com/debates/244
How is that person supposed to seek justice against unfair votes? everyone should be able to report votes, not allowing it has brought up 20 different scenarios in my head to game that system.
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As long as virtuoso is head moderator I am happy. Cerainly the other names mentioned with the exception of RM would be good as back ups, but no better option for lead moderator other than virtuoso exists on this site.
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What drafterman said. Virtuoso is the man. I love that guy
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@Logical-Master
BSH1 is incapable of not micromanaging. RM is right that he would be good support for virtuoso. Everyone here right now with perhaps the exception of virtuoso (because of modesty), knows virtuoso should be lead moderator.
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