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@Stephen
Correct. Also that post displayed a complete misunderstanding of Taoism, but I am not here to throw insults. Just to inform people of something that might effect their experience here.
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@RationalMadman
Is this how you approach emotional users, trigger them and relish in their anguish
Emotional reactivity is bad. It often causes others to engage in behaviors harmful to themselves and others, the only way to build emotional resilience so you can be a happier person, is for people to refuse to handle you with kid gloves.
For example if a fat person is called fat, it probably hurts for a while, but once you hear it 100 times, you stop giving a shit.
Basically I was providing exposure therapy. If you have ever had a group of close male friends, you'd realize this type of bonding and building emotional resilience is normal. Anyone who doesn't insult me, is probably just not close enough to me to do it.
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@RationalMadman
- Blackface as a caucasian, not even as a tribute to any black ethnic culture but solely to make fun, laugh and ridicule the race.
There was a ferocious debate on the site at the time about whether the N word should be used. Thett mentioned they had a black friend they wanted to join the site, but was afraid that they would be persecuted for having a traditionally African American vernacular that used the n word a lot. The same sort of debate at the time was raging on Twitter because their N word filter caused mostly black people to be banned, and was removed because the filter was deemed racist.
- Imitating a disabled person to then make a comment that disabled people shouldn't reproduce and that you're genetically inferior (I can link this if you deny it) over several posts.
In a thread espousing the ideals of incels and saying saying they had a few good points. I would say having genetic defects as I was claiming to hide my identity would make me genetically inferior to others. Hell I am short and that makes me genetically inferior to a tall person who is my equal In other ways. It isn't a controversial statement and does not speak to their value as a person
- Making a series of overtly racist threads and posts
To prevent the creeping group think on the site and push to continue that slide by banning those who do not conform to it.
- Calling somebody you now say you like and pretend to respect as an opponent in an election an elliot rodger type personality that you can't stand.
Personality does not equal ethics. Having a similar personality as a mass murderer does not mean you are one or are capable of being one. My mom has a personality similar to caycee Anthony. Most the mods have the same type of uptight personality Ted bundy has. My brother acts similar to Hitler with his angry rants. There are probably a ton of great individuals who also share the same personality as well.
- Imitating another user (Zarroette or Analgesic.Spectre) and getting furious with Supadudz when it's revealed who you really are as he doesn't stand by allowing you to impersonate that person anymore on Discord (not just on DART) so much so that you sabotage an entire off-site political simuator community he's set up.
Not a big deal.
- Encouraging people to assassinate politicians and calling Bsh1 and others cowards for not wanting to have such a live debate with you.
Hitler was a politician. Should he have been assassinated so 20 million lives could have been spared? If not, why do you support hitler?
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@RationalMadman
I encourage everybody to follow this thread. This is how you spot a chronic liar and viewpoint shifter caught in the act.Just a few posts ago he denied this happened and said this:
I didn't remember. You brought up a post from 3 years ago. The post was in bad taste, but clearly meant to be humorous. She was in the op equating socialized healthcare to having the right to live.
I wanted to challenge the notion of "right to live" and if the debate would have taken place, I would have used some antinatalist type argument.
I was also interested in debating whether somebody has a "right" to live, but debates about the nature of rights are boring, and I remember her ideal of debate was to make bare assertions on rights.
She was very concerned about mortality, and very young and immature and had been here under a few user names. On DDO she used to always attack people who she perceived slighted her, when she would repeat ad nauseum about how she was a pro life liberal.
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@ILikePie5
I wouldn't allow restraining orders. Best case scenario, give the option to no longer see posts from a user. ROs are stupid as well as too much work for the mods.
If the function is never added to block posts from being seen, than I would still oppose all restraining orders
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I think I had one named tyrone also or something
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@RationalMadman
I can't remember the names of them all, but singularity wylted, I may have called one bringerofrain. Not sure of the other ones. List them out and If you are mistaken about one being mine, I will let you know.
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@RationalMadman
Shall we explore how you have reacted to the sensitive members of this website? You even challenged a user to a debate about the world and website being better off if she'd kill herself (it's since deleted but I have proof if I dig back to where it's discussed in a thread).
You are mistaken. I would never advocate for suicide. I did debate that the world would be better off, if I killed myself.
I once killed a robber by accident. Seriously. His brakes were cut by riding over a fence in the truck he was in. He died by the truck cutting into my lane of traffic, and me having no ability to stop the car in time. He was in the bed of the truck and slowly died in front of my eyes.
Before that moment, I thought I would be okay with "bad guys" dying. This guy I killed was a career criminal. However his life had value. His family missed him and his death hurt a lot of people, including me.
You see, I believe every life is sacred. Even on debate.org I was a listening ear for a lot of people who claimed to be suicidal. I actually went to organizations and asked them how to talk to people suicidal, so I could know how to help. I used their advice and still use it.
One thing you do, is not directly disagree with suicidal people as mentioned by the experts. SO if a user said the world would be better off if she died, I wouldn't disagree. I might even say something like,
"You know, you are right" Then maybe pause and ask "But wouldn't you be hurting the people close to you, even if the world is better off?"
suicidal people often have thoughts in their head like "I am worthless"
The job of the person talking to them is not to tell them they are wrong, they are less likely to kill themselves if you just steer the conversation differently, while not overtly disagreeing with them. I was actually a very frequent poster on reddit to suicidal people and would act edgy with them as well and try to help in ways approved of by professional psychologists specializing in suicide prevention.
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@RationalMadman
Are you capable of proving your ability to use discretion. The ability to use discretion is important to a working relationship. Let's say you earn whiteflames trust and he starts leaning heavy on you as an advocate for users he interacts with less than you.A lot of those conversations may be very private and ugly facts about users could come out that was only the privy of mods. Say whiteflame concludes a particular case of harassment is not harassment and the user should go unpunished. You guys fight hard over it and he basically says "fuck you, not banning the harasser " . Your only two options are1. Drop your argument and let the harasser get away with itOr2. Air your personal grievances with whiteflame publicly and break his trust and ruin the relationship necessary for a working relationship.Will you and can you be trusted to take option 1.I know I have the ability to maintain that relationship with whiteflame and have previously proven it as I have interacted with him a lot off site and we have both told each other personal things, and both of us have seen each other never betray that trust. Can whiteflame trust you like he trusts me, so a working relationship is possible?
The answer is number 1, so I can do the most good in the long run, instead of shooting my load immediately and being left completely powerless to affect change
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Most of the time the religion forum keeps out of site politics. I
appreciate and respect that. It really shows most of you are above
politics. However the site presidential election effects this forum
greatly. The 2 presidential candidates, me and rational madman have
wildly different views of what should happen with the religion forum
section.
Me personally, I
think the religion forum has it’s own culture and should be
respected. I want you guys to be in control of your little part of
the internet.
RM on the other hand
wants to crackdown on the religion section. I will link to the
following thread where he makes remarks on how he will crack down on
you guys. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7106-a-witch-a-thang-a-yin-a-yang-a-rational-man-and-a-boomerang?page=3&post_number=53
The following is a
quote of his on how he would start cracking down on religious forum
regulars.
The mods would need to almost be 'too heavy handed' at first with how many ROs they set out.You would find that at first the forums would seem 'dead' but slowly over time the more timid members and emotional members who aren't timid but know they react strongly can start to feel more welcome there.I guarantee you there are members who barely posted there as well as onlookers to the website who took a couple of looks at threads there that never signed up specifically due to the toxic environment it has. In other words, there's activity that would be happening there with fun and friendly debate between theists and atheists, different theists, discussions of the meaning of traditions etc that aren't taking place because we have people too busy trying to derail threads and bring out the absolute worst in members that differ from their outlook.On top of ROs, I think there needs to be a lot of active intervention, locking of threads etc. The religion forum users will at first maybe say 'stay out' but they will soon realise the help going on there when over time the more toxic bullies suddenly are either tamer or gone of their own volition. Not all the toxicity is the level of BrotherDThomas but what has happened is over time all the non-toxic members got eroded away and the only ones remaining either painfully tolerate and partly embrace the toxic environment or they totally and utterly perpetuate it.The toxicity is so direct and blatant that it is very easy to justify mod intervention to the people doing it and give them specific pointers to how to avoid ad hominem habits and perhaps discuss the topic more in an asking and answering format rather than a bite-back and berate format.I can't give specifics without this thread itself possibly becoming classified as a callout thread but believe me, there are very specific habits of very specific members that if they were curtailed would completely transform the environment there. The mods are just obsessed with being lenient as in the past their intervening ways have been shamed and branded stupid by some members here.
I want you guys to
control your future. If you want somebody to radically change this
area you enjoy.
This is not a
campaign thread, so I am not telling you who to vote for. However I
think since the results of the election effect you, that you have a
right to know the views of the candidates.
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I am honored to be nominated for the office of presidency. I humbly
accept the honor of representing all of Dart. My main opponent is
rational madman and in his thread, many people asked him questions
pertaining to his presidency. I want to address those concerns, so my
campaign and his can be compared side by side.
I understand that these sorts of things can get heated and personal. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but I think it’s beneath me and rational madman. We’ll both be running very polite, issues focused campaigns. (I believe)
I want my supporters to know, that any nastiness seen coming from the other campaign is purely from some of RM’s more vocal supporters and not a reflection of him. He’ll make a great president should he win, and he should be supported, even if his policies should be opposed.
RM is mainly running a campaign to stop a lot of the hate seen on the site, and his opinion of the mods failing to do their jobs and negate those negative experiences for users. In his campaign thread he has made good points about if the mods were more pro active in confronting bad behavior such as harassment and bullying, than we could avoid some bans and have a more active user base. He’s right. I prefer them just sending some PM’s and perhaps things like the recent drama can which polytheist witch has been subjected to, can be avoided. His solution would be better enforced and more frequent restraining orders and I disagree with that approach and have seen sites where the mods are just standard bearers who remind others to be respectful, and it has worked well. I’d encourage more of that approach, but that is just a minor squabble with his plan.
I think RM, is well suited to do those things. He has a history of protecting and looking out for the downtrodden. He was probably put on the Earth by God to do that mission. I want to support him in that, when I win the presidency. I will put him in charge of an anti bullying campaign that will work on that problem, completely independent of me. He will contact the mods directly and be a liaison to them as well as the public.
If you like what RM will do for the downtrodden, than vote me. With me in office, he doesn’t have to split his attention to other things a president does either.
Where we differ is probably on the freedom of speech angle. RM believes that if most people find an opinion disgusting, they should have the freedom to stop people from giving you arguments in favor of that opinion. This is no mere political opinion. He wants to do that to DART. He doesn’t understand that when there is more debate it benefits all of us. Studies have been done showing that organizations do better, when they have dissenters in their ranks who freely express their opinions. This bears out, even when the dissenters are always wrong. If these studies are to be trusted, than RM is actively trying to make DART worse, in that regard. (not intentionally)
We need to think about precedent here as well. The precedent of removing an unpopular opinion is not the only precedent at stake here, although that one is likely the most important. If we put him in office, than we will have his behavior as a precedent of what the president should be. RM I don’t think is capable of being an advocate for the people here.
The only real power of the presidency is their ability to influence moderators. If we put an impotent person up there, that is how they will be perceived in the future and the ability of the office to accomplish anything, will be forever marred. I can tell you, I won’t be impotent. I have a good relationship with the current mods and some former ones who still are influential and I can use as liaisons in my steed. I think I can directly advocate on behalf of the community, but if not than I have resources who can. I have one mod who was relaying private mod conversations to me via screenshots, and showing me the progress of my unbanning. Another mod I have met in person. Ragnar messages me from time to time to show me his more light hearted side in response to my posts. Whiteflame I have had phone calls with and a lot of personal conversations, and has always shown respect for what I say, even when what I have said has been ignorant. I will not be an impotent president. I will be one with actual power and influence.
The most important benefit of electing me, is I will give you actual currency. Wylted Bucks are not a joke. I spent 12 hours this weekend watching tutorials and following along on creating NFTs (crypto-currency), I want to announce that I have created a debateart.com NFT that uses avatars from this site as well as other images. I won’t release wylted bucks unless elected though.
I understand that these sorts of things can get heated and personal. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but I think it’s beneath me and rational madman. We’ll both be running very polite, issues focused campaigns. (I believe)
I want my supporters to know, that any nastiness seen coming from the other campaign is purely from some of RM’s more vocal supporters and not a reflection of him. He’ll make a great president should he win, and he should be supported, even if his policies should be opposed.
RM is mainly running a campaign to stop a lot of the hate seen on the site, and his opinion of the mods failing to do their jobs and negate those negative experiences for users. In his campaign thread he has made good points about if the mods were more pro active in confronting bad behavior such as harassment and bullying, than we could avoid some bans and have a more active user base. He’s right. I prefer them just sending some PM’s and perhaps things like the recent drama can which polytheist witch has been subjected to, can be avoided. His solution would be better enforced and more frequent restraining orders and I disagree with that approach and have seen sites where the mods are just standard bearers who remind others to be respectful, and it has worked well. I’d encourage more of that approach, but that is just a minor squabble with his plan.
I think RM, is well suited to do those things. He has a history of protecting and looking out for the downtrodden. He was probably put on the Earth by God to do that mission. I want to support him in that, when I win the presidency. I will put him in charge of an anti bullying campaign that will work on that problem, completely independent of me. He will contact the mods directly and be a liaison to them as well as the public.
If you like what RM will do for the downtrodden, than vote me. With me in office, he doesn’t have to split his attention to other things a president does either.
Where we differ is probably on the freedom of speech angle. RM believes that if most people find an opinion disgusting, they should have the freedom to stop people from giving you arguments in favor of that opinion. This is no mere political opinion. He wants to do that to DART. He doesn’t understand that when there is more debate it benefits all of us. Studies have been done showing that organizations do better, when they have dissenters in their ranks who freely express their opinions. This bears out, even when the dissenters are always wrong. If these studies are to be trusted, than RM is actively trying to make DART worse, in that regard. (not intentionally)
We need to think about precedent here as well. The precedent of removing an unpopular opinion is not the only precedent at stake here, although that one is likely the most important. If we put him in office, than we will have his behavior as a precedent of what the president should be. RM I don’t think is capable of being an advocate for the people here.
The only real power of the presidency is their ability to influence moderators. If we put an impotent person up there, that is how they will be perceived in the future and the ability of the office to accomplish anything, will be forever marred. I can tell you, I won’t be impotent. I have a good relationship with the current mods and some former ones who still are influential and I can use as liaisons in my steed. I think I can directly advocate on behalf of the community, but if not than I have resources who can. I have one mod who was relaying private mod conversations to me via screenshots, and showing me the progress of my unbanning. Another mod I have met in person. Ragnar messages me from time to time to show me his more light hearted side in response to my posts. Whiteflame I have had phone calls with and a lot of personal conversations, and has always shown respect for what I say, even when what I have said has been ignorant. I will not be an impotent president. I will be one with actual power and influence.
The most important benefit of electing me, is I will give you actual currency. Wylted Bucks are not a joke. I spent 12 hours this weekend watching tutorials and following along on creating NFTs (crypto-currency), I want to announce that I have created a debateart.com NFT that uses avatars from this site as well as other images. I won’t release wylted bucks unless elected though.
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@RationalMadman
You meant his ones here. I agree we should have shut everything down before it hit our shores. As an AMeircan I mean America. Nobody in or out unless when they come in they are quarantined offshore for 2 weeks. Once it hit american shores though, I think given the fact everyone will inevitably get it, we should strive to live a mostly normal life.
I think now with the omicron strain being very much no big deal, that Biden should declare victory on Covid19, instead of letting the next administration get credit. Whatever he says the media will go along with anyway, and he would happen to be correct to declare victory now.
His desire to over react doesn't surprise me. America has a very individualistic and freedom loving culture fortunately and I don't expect Europeans to understand or be the same as us.
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@RationalMadman
I worry about his sanity. I worry he lacks normal human empathy. I like him though, I like him and enjoy his posts and assume it is mostly a character.
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Where do you live?
Suburban: 0 points
Where did your family come from?
A different state/province/region than the one I'm currently living in: 0 points
What proportion of your extended family lives within an hour from you?
Less than 25%: 0 points
Do you have a regional accent?
Yes, slight: 0 points
How often do you attend religious services?
Once a week or more: 2 points
Do you come from a religious tradition?
No, but converted to a religion: 0 points
How many children do you have or plan to have?
Two: 1 point
What is your occupation?
Officer worker/white collar: -1 point
How well do you know your neighbors?
Don't know their names: -1 point
If male, how often do you pee outside?
Occasionally, especially when doing yard work: 1 point
Which circumstances best describe your significant other?
Grew up on opposite sides of the country/globe: -1 point
Do you own any animals?
Yes, but only pets: 0
Do you grow any of your own food?
No: -1
Total score of zero. I am ashamed of myself
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@RationalMadman
right-handed prefer the right-hand for all active purposes.
I actually am a rare right harder than. I fo some things left handed, like shoot pool or jack off.
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You have super immunity now. Double Vax with the omicron variant makes you covid proof for life
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How the system is set up now, it won't work though. Corporations are basically writing policies for politicians. They used to have larger staff to be able to avoid that, but now they don't. We need congress and senate to have a large budget for the staff of each politician, so they can actually get corporations out of the habit of writing policy proposals in a way that only benefits them and most certainly harms smaller competitors who have no lobbying power in washington
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I am starting to think we need labor unions and heavy handed regulations to reign in this evil.
We shouldn't have to need that, though
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@oromagi
Doesn't it reward the most evil people though?
I have met some wealthy athletes. They seem like normal people, but my interactions with millionaires haven't been good.
My foster dad was a millionaire. Very abusive and mean.
My latest employer, I saw how he exploited drug addicts . Targeting them for hiring so he could be as abusive as he wanted, knowing that nobody else would hire them for the amount he did.
When the sickest people start to rise to the top of these hierarchies than I think it might be time to start questioning the system.
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I am just going to periodically post evidence capitalism is evil. I used to have faith in it, but I keep seeing shit like the following and this is pretty much every single fortune 500 company
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I used an account called Tyrone for the tribute to African Americans I made, which was less offensive than even Robert Downey Jr's tributes to black culture in tropic thunder.
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@ILikePie5
Singularity was not an unauthorized alt. I asked a mod to close the wylted account and then used that one. I had maybe 2 illegal alts and one person was wrongly banned for them thinking he was my alt, despite the person being a rabbid SJW who thought even robots were racist.
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Other countries call us mutts for a reason
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@RationalMadman
I just want to inform you, all of us white Americans are pretty much atleast 1/32 American Indian.
Don't believe me, just do a random genealogy on a random white American. None of us call ourselves native Americans if we are being honest though. I am descended from Blackfoot Indians in part. My grandma had enough Indian blood to officially become a member of a tribe.
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I know. The Indian thing was a joke.
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@RationalMadman
If you're serious about it I'll discuss with you, if you win, because you are one of the members of the group that shame them when they intervene in things. If you embrace their intervention, it can go a long way.
I am serious
If you lose this election, I'd still discuss it with you but I reckon you'll want to talk directly to the mods
Nope, I'm libertarian. If I put you in charge of something, you are in charge of it with both hands free.
you don't like me after I talked about respecting you very little.
I like you a lot. If I didn't like you, I wouldn't care about your respect.
You have problems like I do. Not the same ones, obviously but they exist. It doesn't surprise me that you said it, and I hate being vulnerable, but it hurt.
The world is you pushed out, as a famous New thought leader said (bonus points for naming him).
Knowing that the world is you pushed out, makes me feel bad that you think of me that way. It hurts me sure, but I feel bad for you. I hope that you find peace.
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Pie loves America. In some ways he is more American than me, because the Indians were here first.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No I didn't make this. I have one ready to go, but wanted RM to have all the attention for now. I am excited that he is running
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I think you should run your plan to fix the religion forum past them, and see how receptive the people who love the most active area of the site, appreciate you wanting to change their behavior and start cracking down on it.
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I'll just write out my positions on them before posting the thread.
Also I have convictions now. As I said.
GOD IS REAL
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@ILikePie5
I understand his point. He wants to make sure that all users feel welcome, particularly when it comes to having traits they can't necessarily help. This is why he is such a great person to have defending people from harassment and bullying. You can depend on him to be the best advocate for the down trodden, the site could possibly have.
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Thanks this is unexpected. I accept your nomination
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@RationalMadman
You do. Such as me, the moment I say I have little respect for you and won't cower to your demands or ways you think I should be for your vote you suddenly back out of the guy you preached deep support of on a thread he didn't even ask you to make.
You said you have no respect for me and could care less about my vote.
I was asking those questions before you responded to help your thread get more attention and so you could answer questions your critics would have. People on the fence between voting you or pie.
I endorsed you. I meant it. I don't expect you to cower to what I want. Clearly I was okay voting for and endorsing you despite differences of opinion on some important topics.
I still want to see you in a leadership position on the site though. Should I win, I hope I can count on you to be a liason to the mods and to the community over an anti bullying campaign that I want you to design and run.
You like defending the defenseless. I think God wants you in positions where you can focus entirely on defending the defenseless and not have to worry about the politics inherent to office of the president.
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I don't backstab or betray anybody. If anything I fault in the direction of being too loyal . I don't even see the faults of people who come into my circle. I just see their strengths.
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@RationalMadman
If this is a person Pie respects, it says a lot about him as a person then.
How OCD works is that it is a disease of uncertainty. You check a door lock 100 times, just because you can be uncertain that you checked yet. You remember doing it, but memory is imperfect.
Lots of people don't realize that OCD manifests as more than just uncertainty with whether you washed all the germs off your hands.
It goes to whether you can be certain your convictions are correct. Name any conviction a person should have and I can introduce you to 100 reasons to doubt it.
Never torture a baby for example.
1. What if the baby is the next Hitler
2. What if we are in a simulation and the baby is not real
3. What if living through torture builds character and in the long term is actually psychologically beneficial?
Having uncertainty is not a moral failing. Lacking convictions is merely another way to say lacking certainty.
I think people deserve respect even if they have a disease of uncertainty that makes it hard to have beliefs you are certain about (convictions).
Even the mentally ill deserve respect RM.
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@RationalMadman
You change with the wind and feel like you're resolute in your views.
Now we are getting into psychology. My therapist seemed to notice this as well and asked my.
"Why don't you have any convictions"
I don't, which is why I can change with the wind. The resolute part is something I do just for rhetorical purposes.
Perhaps not having convictions will change though. I have one conviction and it acted like a light bulb going off in my head and I lot of things flowed from it.
RM, God is real.
Knowing this has unclouded my judgement in a lot of ways, and many things flow from this.
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@RationalMadman
I just view everyone as inherently worthy of respect and believe that if I did hate somebody, I probably wouldn't respect them. I felt like I was just rephrasing what you said. Apparently I am wrong, and you have the ability to not hate somebody, while also have no respect for them.
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@RationalMadman
You seem to think that on a website you are entitled to the freedom of speech that you are granted in an amendment that doesn't apply to privately owned websites.
I agree with debateart.com s right to censor. I am just explaining why I think it's unethical to do.
Ethics and rights are 2 different things
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That's the price you pay when you're an honest person.
Nobody wants to vote for somebody that hates them. Whether they are honest or not. It showed a lack of tact either way
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@RationalMadman
I didn't write them for you to like, I wrote them to give honest feedback.
.I appreciate your honesty. Hopefully all candidates mantain that sort of integrity as well
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I actually have a record of advocating for banned users such as death23 and in fact advocating on your behalf behind the scenes. Can you list some of your advocacy that was not self interested and as altruistic as mine was?
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I didn't like your answers and they seemed aggressive towards me, but I appreciate you taking the time to answer them. Thanks
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@RationalMadman
I don't need to trust WF with too much or vice versa to have a working relationship. You're confusing a friendship or even super-close relationship that is best-friend level for a working relationship. Perhaps you need maximal trust to have a working relationship with someone, I don't
You absolutely do when your only power is your ability to persuade them, and for that you need to understand their real motives that depend on information they likely view as private.
You have no ideal what the death23 thing was about. I was trying to get information not just bitch publicly that they should just openly release the information. They were too vague with the reasons for his ban. I actually got the information I was after provided to me in a PM. I understand the reason for his ban now.
Make your mind up and vote for whoever you want. I don't care about your vote, you're not a user I respect at all.
I wanted to vote for you, until you made this statement.
I do not support the first amendment. I think it is a fallacious amendment and concept for society. I will not pretend to uphold it as a site value.
I was hoping you changed your mind on that. It's actually a disgusting view and leaders such as Hitler, Stalin and pol pot agree with you that freedom of speech is bad.
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@RationalMadman
I'd appreciate if you answered those questions. Also I know you would make a great president even if you lose to ILikePie5
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Are you capable of proving your ability to use discretion. The ability to use discretion is important to a working relationship. Let's say you earn whiteflames trust and he starts leaning heavy on you as an advocate for users he interacts with less than you.
A lot of those conversations may be very private and ugly facts about users could come out that was only the privy of mods. Say whiteflame concludes a particular case of harassment is not harassment and the user should go unpunished. You guys fight hard over it and he basically says "fuck you, not banning the harasser " . Your only two options are
1. Drop your argument and let the harasser get away with it
Or
2. Air your personal grievances with whiteflame publicly and break his trust and ruin the relationship necessary for a working relationship.
Will you and can you be trusted to take option 1.
I know I have the ability to maintain that relationship with whiteflame and have previously proven it as I have interacted with him a lot off site and we have both told each other personal things, and both of us have seen each other never betray that trust. Can whiteflame trust you like he trusts me, so a working relationship is possible?
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Will you defend members from unfair censorship, if they have moral values you find repugnant?
And let's say the defense would be you having to defend their right to argue in favor of something disgusting. For example.
1. A user hates women and posts a bunch of arguments arguing they are inferior in some way. They are then banned for hate speech. Will you defend them? Let's leave out examples of mere proselytizing and promoting hate, those probably should be banned, but just focus on making arguments.
2. How will you help a user whose posts provide good arguments for an ignorant position, but say supa locks the thread because it could result in a heated debate on a debate site.
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How will you approach forming a working relationship with whiteflame?
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@Polytheist-Witch
If you are under the impression I am a moderator, you are wrong. I would be more diligent at dealing with members who harass.
I would be more tolerant of legitimate free speech, but less tolerant of speech that was
1. Harassment
2. Proselytizing
3. Low effort posts (though only soft power would be used to discourage this)
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