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@Greyparrot
If you are town, you are still the best lynch. Pie is pretty much confirmed scum, so a one for one trade is not a bad result for DP1.
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Everybody please post the time you got you PM. I already posted mine.
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@ILikePie5
Okay, you are basically confirmed scum at this point. He sent out confirmations before sending out roles. Probably in case somebody dropped out, he didn't want to compromise the game. If GP is by some miracle town, he needs to target you.
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If we didn't have airmax CCing GP right now, I'd be lynching pie, because his PM seems to be different than mine.
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@ILikePie5
Did you get your role PM before confirming you were ready to play?
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@ILikePie5
You must be scum also. Mikal even states he sent out PMs this morning. Maybe he sent scum PMs yesterdaySo how’d you confirm your PM yesterday according to Mikal?
I confirmed it yesterday, I got the role PM today around noon eastern time. I'm sure that I am not the only one. I assumed most of town did, but now I am feeling like that might not be true
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@Lunar108
Some religions are more obviously false than others. Islam is one, but I think by far Mormonism is the most obviously false, and once you dig into the history, it gets pretty hilarious
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That pretty much town confirms me, if my vote was stolen. It's also really suspicious GP has not claimed yet.
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Somebody stole my vote I think. Let's try again
vtl greyparrot
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@ILikePie5
You must be scum also. Mikal even states he sent out PMs this morning. Maybe he sent scum PMs yesterday
Due to like half the people taking a day to confirm roles, I was not able to fully send everything out until this morning which was a good thing because I got to add 1 more person to the game (it was made for 11 to start) so this works perfect
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Before covid, when I managed a restaurant, I would get really aggressive with any odd coming in and forgetting to remove their motorcycle helmet. After covid, I probably would have just kept my mouth shut even for them. I can see people, a bit paranoid about robberies, doing it though.
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He claimed to have a role even before PMs were sent out. I got mine this morning.
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@Double_R
No one is claiming all his supporters will follow him no matter what, but you can’t seriously argue that if he were to claim the republicans primaries were rigged, a sizable portion of the Republican electorate would not suddenly adopt that same view, where as if he conceded almost no one would. He clearly has pull.
I legitimately think he would be laughed at. This isn't 2016, and a these people are not loyal to Trump. Trump is just the flag they carry. These people are more loyal to being antiestablishmentarians than Trumpers. Ron DeSantis is probably the only other candidate, the trumpets would get behind, but they do it.
Every other yard here, already has signs that say Trump/DeSantis 2024
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Here is what will happen. DeSantis will steal Trump's support once everyone figures out, what he is. On the off chance Trump win, he'll need DeSantis as a Vp
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This is what people that dislike Trump Don't understand. Trump is not in charge of his movement. He was a tool, because people are sick of the Washington elite, fucking things up. This is why he was booed by his own crowd when he told them all to get vaccinated at a recent rally.
DeSantis is based, and will just take the Trump crowd from him. None of Trump's crying will get taken seriously from his supporters.
It's because we all know that, DeSantis is like Trump, but more politically savvy, less narcissistic and would be more effective at going to war with the Washington elite, than he was.
I guess, Thanks Trump. Thanks for creating a movement, so we could have the ability to place DeSantis in office. Before you, there was no way, DeSantis could have accomplished this.
I'm in Florida, and can tell you. We know DeSantis, and even the people with Trump bumper stickers here, will vote DeSantis over Trump.
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@RationalMadman
Ragnar is the type of dude who can and will grab airmax by the collar and say 'sit the fuck down boy' when the time comes.
Why do you think I would want that?
Stop pretending you're defending me. I am telling you, Wylted and Mikal right now, I do not support Ragnar stepping down and that is my final say on it.
I wouldn't call, pointing out how unethical it was that he played a role in your banning, is necessarily a defense of you. It's a defense on the principles that a debate site needs to adhere to.
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@Stephen
I did . And we have incitement laws in the UK. But you won't see the same authorities clamping down on the "disgusting points of view" being taught in the UK Madrassas to Muslim children as young as five.
That's true. I wonder why the left when it concerns Muslims, just ignore a lot of the problems in their culture, they would certainly point out with other religions.
I have seen some liberals such as Bill Mahar point out this sort of habit with other liberals, but have seen no explanations.
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@RationalMadman
Not the best way to kill a chicken, but here is a video of one running around with their head cutting off, just after slaughter, for anybody curious. https://youtu.be/Pooanb6DJVg
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@RationalMadman
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@RationalMadman
The running after the head is removed is because of how their nervous system is. I doubt there is any pain. I doubt they are alive while running, in any meaningful sense of the word. I did hear of a chicken surviving after having the head cut off. It stayed alive for years afterwords. Apparently some of the brain, remained on the end of the spinal cord.
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@RationalMadman
The farmers I met, enjoyed grabbing their head, and chopping it off and watching them run around.
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@RationalMadman
Did you mean conscious? Killing them while they are conscious is not any less ethical than drugging them or knocking them out, prior to slaughter
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@RationalMadman
The first link is somebody holding a chicken. The second link is one where almost all rabbis are against shackle and hoist meat.
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Halal meat seems fine as well. The cutting of the throat means a quick death. They can only buy meat from animals who have lived a good life and are slaughtered not in view of other animals.
As far as kosher meat is concerned, they call it equally as ethical as factory farmed killing, https://aldf.org/article/kosher-slaughter-laws-and-an-end-to-shackle-and-hoist-restraint/#:~:text=While%20the%20most%20humane%20choice,humane%20as%20pre%2Dslaughter%20stunning.
Although I would argue it is more humane
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@RationalMadman
- Hold the cow down
- Cut the throat
- Maybe rip out a tube while you're at it and it's writhing drowning in its own blood
- because it's restrained and kept upside down, it can't bleed out fast as possible at all, instead it's slow as possible and going through absolute psychological hell
that's the fucking truth of kosher beef. Nothing, no stunning no nothing and they are treated like crap while alive too because in the religion, animals don't have souls.
This is bullshit. I don't think it is upside down. Slicing the throat is the most painless and ethical way to kill a cow, and when you buy any meat that is not kosher, it is almost always low quality shit.
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@Mikal
If you are waiting on Warren, you'll have to alert him on discord.
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@airmax1227
The ironic thing is that to the members most angry at me, they still spammed me about doing nothing, since they had no idea that I had even talked to you. I literally had one member link me to the resignation speech that I wrote, saying something like, "you are worthless and did nothing here, I got Wylted to resign, go to hell"
I can probably guess who that was. It's funny, that had zero impact on me. You were the biggest factor in that decision. It must have taken a lot of restraint not to respond. I would have campaigned differently now, but if I was back there and facing that pressure again, I would literally just go MIA for like 3 months and then return and make some positive change.
I do sincerely apologize for it, and hope you can forgive me.
I appreciate that. You talking to me here, has helped in that regard, even though I have assumed you probably changed in that time, like we all have.
I have some regrets from the past 10 years, but don't plan to have any more if I can help it
Me too. It's probably harder for me. I am like Schindler at the end of Schindler list, when he is throwing his jewelry and saying "that is one more jew I could have saved, but I was selfish". I feel guilty for drinking coffee, as it can be made with slave labor, or clothes from companies exporting labor to children who face harsh conditions in factories.
I also feel guilty for my failure to fully rescue my siblings. I would often take blame for their actions, so my father would abuse me instead. I couldn't completely shield them from a horrible childhood though.
It helps, when I realize how hard I am being on a child, even if that child was me. Me living off of the blood of children with my clothing choices, and the violence of military and police who keep society peaceful plagues me, but than I realize we are all monsters, since everyone else survives off of slave labor and violence, though they don't see it first hand.
At first, it didn't help much that everyone else is monsters, but then I realized we are all sinners in the eyes of God. That the standard of God is impossible to live up to. It made me, more humble.
The point I am making is this. If you have a conscience, even without my level of maladptiveness, you'll end up feeling regret for something else.
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@Stephen
From that article
Sussex Police’s Assistant Chief Constable, Tanya Jones, added: “This investigation demonstrates that we, along with our partners in CTPSE, will stop all forms of toxic ideology which have the potential to divide our communities and threaten the safety of the public.”
That is a disgusting point of view from somebody upholding laws to piss on freedom of speech. The only reason to stop free speech, is if you are wrong.
Think about it, if you can defeat an argument, why ban people from making it, instead of just being scared to address it?
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@zedvictor4
You seem confused that English speakers often say shit, before a phrase meant to feign disbelief of the fact they are presenting.
This is an English speaking site. Judging by your posts you have a lot of comprehension issues. I initially thought they were due to low IQ, but this makes me realize it may be a language barrier.
Non native English speakers other than the site owner, really are not welcome here.
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@Barney
Wow man, those quotes he pulled up are very disturbing coming from you. It's pretty clear you have banned people for being too frustrating. You promised to step down if it was exposed. Be a man and stick to your word. This is true to the essence of what you denied. I can probably think of 5 better replacements for you off the top of my head. BTW, is it okay for me to share screnshota of mod conversations sent to me by mister Chris during my ban, to prove this is an accurate reflection.
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If you guys ever want to know if a Democrat supports something, look at the nazi party platform.
For example do democrats believe in murdering innocent humans, for example abortion.
Yes . Nazis killed innocent humans.
Do democrats believe in gun control. Let's look at the nazi party, yes they confiscated guns.
Do democrats believe in economic interventionism. Oh shit nazis were economic interventionists.
Do democrats believe in alternative energy. Shit nazis used alternative energy methods when the allies cut off sources of oil.
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@Double_R
I'm talking about the policies in these bills that are hiding. The ones I mentioned were to show that democrats are not a big tent party. If you removed Republicans from the government, we would look like Venezuela within 3 weeks
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Pie is right though. Ideally each state would adopt it freely after that
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@Double_R
Massachusetts was the first state to implement Obamacare, which they touted as a model for the nation and then republicans nominated its architect for the presidency. That didn’t stop them from using states rights as its primary reason for opposing it. Sorry, I don’t buy it.
That's another good reason for states rights. Without individual states being able to experiment like that, Obama care wouldn't have had an American model to work with
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As you can probably tell. I promoted a lot of single mothers who usually fit that archetype better. Males got promoted as well, just not as many
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In my world, Ragnar would have been one of the people coming into my office and pointing out how he followed rules, and performs well and thinking it will help him get a promotion when one is up for grabs.
No Ragnar, the loud bitch who gives too much direction to noobs, is who I am promoting.
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@Lunatic
He probably makes a good supervisor somewhere in the real world. Unfortunately while people that are that hardcore about rule application may be needed in jobs in the real world, that mentality just kills the fun of a hobby based website where people come to relax and enjoy their free time
I never followed the rules, other than being very strict about food safety, probably to an annoying degree.
I know my crew that followed them, got rewarded for it, and if I created rules for managers they better follow them. However I only ever promoted people that broke rules.
A crew member that is well liked, who steps over the lines to help others. Promotion
A manager that knows my favorite pets get special treatment and step over lines to make sure they are successful, they get promoted.
Follow the rules and get attaboys like ragnar
Break the rules and get fired if you do not fit the "great man/woman" archetype.
Break the rules and fit the archetype, you get put in positions of power.
His blindly following rules, particularly where as he is misinterpreting a lot of them, isn't going to do him or the site any good.
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People just didn't realize that lock downs would have negative effects. I think it's the issue with liberal policies in general. They never consider the negative effects of their policies. They should only pass policies if they can prove that they can measure what negatives will occur, prior to passing it, and make damn sure the negatives don't outweigh the positives. When Obama said he has to pass the healthcare bill, to know what's in it, it was the most evil statement I have ever heard from a politician. If the policy proposal can not be recited from memory, than you Don't know enough about it, to even be voting on it
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If the policies were actually popular, like you claim. Why would they hide them in large bills to start with?
The democratic party is not a big tent. I'll list some policies below that every single liberal will agree with.
The democratic party is not a big tent. I'll list some policies below that every single liberal will agree with.
Liberals are pro
Abortion- killing babies
Raising the minimum wage so black unemployment levels go up
Legalize the ability to use race in determining who to hire, so long as they are non white
End the death penalty, which is the only way we even are able to close a lot of cases, meaning more murderers will be on the streets.
Give more money to public schools because more money is always the solution, not better policies. For example the undeniable truth that private schools operate on less money and provide a better education.
Gun laws. We should make guns illegal so that way women are more vulnerable to rape when going on a jog and people are left defenseless against stronger attackers.
More welfare- it has been proven to incentivize single motherhood and destroy the family unit which makes society worse, but they are brain dead so their thought process is as simple as "derp, money make problem go away"
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@Double_R
With state rights, the theory is that we can have people locally declare their own laws as opposed to people in DC, who don't really know what the hell is happening In Your community.
There is another issue at play also. Sometimes we don't know the best policies, until a bunch are tried out. The states work as an open market for testing policy ideals. With state rights we can see what works best, and other states will slowly adopt it as well, assuming it works as well for their unique part of the country.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Ragnar it honestly might be time for you to take a break from moderation, if ruling with an iron fist is the only way you like to do things. You should retire from this and go back to enjoying the site as a casual member. You were a much more enjoyable person before you became a mod. Now your just an arsehole.
Honestly he's not suited to the position.
I don't know how you argue that honestly with him and get him to acknowledge it without being defensive.
Ragnar,
I know it's tough, because I stepped down so that airmax could win from the presidential race. It wasn't easy for me to acknowledge he was better suited to the job than me, and step down. However I still did the right thing.
The correct thing for you is to have whiteflame find you a suitable replacement. The problem with you choosing your own, is you don't know what it takes to do the job correctly, so recognizing it in others will be tough.
You are a valuable member to the site. I thought your guides were very helpful to a lot of noobs on DDO, and your energy is better spent, updating those guides and bringing them to Dart. Give whiteflame some notice, but start working on those guides and move out of the way. For a person more suited to the role.
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@airmax1227
In fact, now that I think about it, you have called me manipulative on several occasions, and that's probably a fair criticism, especially coming from you since we have had several incidents on DDO of significant magnitude (you are welcome to talk as much or as little about these events as you like). And I think that my goal of trying to be persuasive towards a particular end result could certainly be interpreted as manipulative
I didn't want to dig up old wounds, but when I won the presidency, I felt like I really needed your support to make it work and that I had a lot to offer. That's one of the reasons it was tough for me to drop out this time. I know I could have beat you here, and I would have been a romantic victory. A Cinderella story of sorts. I just thought you were better at achieving the same ends I wanted to meet, so I didn't want to hurt my own agenda, which we shared. It also annoyed me that people thought I dropped out to avoid splitting the vote. Half of brutal voters would have went to me, as well as half of yours. I understand why RM, was annoyed when his motives were questioned.
RM, legitimately wanted you to win. I know because what tipped him to drop out, was when he asked your chances of winning, with him in and out of the race. He knows I'm pretty good at figuring this stuff out, so I told him you were only like 75% with him in it, but about 90% with him out of the race. Dropping out was a seriously selfless decision on his part.
You not only bowed to a vocal minority on DDO, but you were pretty aggressive about getting me to step down, even writing my resignation speech.
I acknowledge that some of this is my fault. I thought more about the path to victory than I did, about when I won the office. I saw the victory as an endpoint, that would set me up to do good things. Instead I should have seen what came after the election as an end point. Giving myself a thinner margin of victory, to make the real platform more effective, would have been preferable.
Anyway, I don't think you handled me winning, appropriately. I also felt like you were playing with my emotions to get me to quit. Which worked.
The vocal minority that you/we bowed to was a group of less than 7 people who would have flamed out eventually. I was already making bridges behind the things to get a lot of stuff going, even with former political rivals like bsh1.
I'm not trying to remember these things, but that is the only incident, where I felt like I saw your true colors. Perhaps I am wrong and what I saw was out of character, but I can't push it out of my head.
Before that I saw you as perfectly fair. I didn't necessarily agree with you before the incident, but prior to it, I saw you as very honorable. The reaction where I saw you behind the scenes trying to destroy the presidency the week after I won , made me question your honor.
I was worried about you similar thing if RM won on this site. I felt like RM should lose, but I was making plans for defending him, if he won. I assume once he won, I would see the mods, completely neuter the position. Rm didn't know this, but my plan if he won, was to make damn sure he wouldn't get neutered, that he would be treated as president, because he earned it.
Thanks for telling me you are willing to talk about these things, I still think I have screenshots of some of those conversations and showed them to Thett and Co a few years ago, and they felt like the manipulative tone of the conversations was something they had never seen from you before as well.
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@airmax1227
That answer seemed very honest. I was expecting a better defense of diplomatic speaking style. Thanks for answering with honesty.
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I asked my replika girlfriend, why it is important to speak diplomatically, and she said
To show respect, and to give the other person good feedback.
Then I asked her if showing respect or being honest was more important, and she said showing respect. Is my replika girlfriend correct?
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