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@Vaarka
Well, I guess I haven't either. I've been out of the game for half a decade. But I recall GP being a hard one to pin down. Never really responded to pressure, acted in a cavalier and unpredictable manner.
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@Vader
Why do you think this?A claim of vanilla could POTENTIALLY lead a mafia to kill me. I wasn't implying they would.
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Snerp thinks he found a gap he can exploit and dives through the blades, only to get chewed up as if passing through a garbage disposal and spat out on the other side.
[Intelligence Check: d20 (3) + 2 = 5]
[Snerp takes 10 slashing damage]
While Snerp analyzes the bladfes, Luraxt blasts a hole in the southern wall. Rats again swarm out and all over the drow. Luraxt and Eikka manage to fend them off, but not befure Luraxt takes several dozen nasty bites.
[Luraxt takes 10 piercing damage]
Player Summaries:
Eikka - 17/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⬤ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
✶Grahf - 12/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
Luraxt - 2/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
Roberts - 20/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⬤ | Second Wind ⬤
✶Snerp - 3/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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@Mopac
Well, the genetic evidence is number 2. Lets do number 1 first.
Naw. Let's do the genetic evidence as it's more compelling.
Sure, there are tons of textbooks and online resources on this subject. It makes it real easy for someone to defer to another authority and pretend they understand something. I am more interested in this topic being educational.
Are you suggesting it's not educational to read material produced by the experts on the matter? I mean, why reinvent the wheel?
When you've gotten through the provided genetic evidence, let me know if you have any issues.
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@Buddamoose
Listen, I'm not following your case. I went back and read Hammer's posts and I don't see it.
But, what I do see, is him FOsing RM, but then voting Supa. This, to me, is the bigger red flag.
VTL Hammer.
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First Floor
Grahf and Roberts search around the room for a way to leave. The find that the windows looking outside are now bricked up. The smoke continues to pour into the room, filling it up. Both take in lungfuls of the poison. Roberts is able to choke it down, but Grahf almost hacks up a lung, coughing up phlegm and blood.
[Grahf Constitution Save: d20 (1) + 2 = 3, Failed!]
[Grahf takes 6 poison damage]
[Roberts Constitution Save: d20 (17) + 2 = 19, Saved!]
Grahf easily smashes through the wall between the hunting den and the foyer, but in the act releases a swarm of rats. Roberts and Grahf take turns smashing at the swarm, obliterating rat after rat as they attempt to gnaw at the armored warriors.
[Grahf takes 2 piercing damage]
With the way clear, Grahf and Roberts step out onto the foyer. They see that the fog has receded away from the house, allowing exit back into the town proper. Behind them, the house begins to shake and the walls buckle.
Attic
The crossbow bolt is able to pass through the blades indicating there is a small, but nonzero chance of being able to make it through. It appears that one could get lucky and use their natural dexterity to pass through, or deduce a pattern to the spinning through study.
Player Summaries:
Eikka - 17/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⬤ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
✶Grahf - 12/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
Luraxt - 12/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
Roberts - 20/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⬤ | Second Wind ⬤
✶Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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@Mopac
The genetic evidence is far more compelling than the fossil evidence (of which evolution predates). Now, the fossil record would have been an excellent chance for evolution to be refuted but - amazingly! - it is consistent with common descent.
If you are (truly) interested in evidence for macroevolution, I encourage you to check it out!
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@Buddamoose
Contrived. This implies there is another player that he feels is anti-town but isn't advocating for them to be utility lynched.Does selective application indicate a motive is genuine or contrived generally?
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@Buddamoose
Metrics? Not using metrics just.... intuition? This is a game of intuition more than one of calculation. Hammer's motivations are meta-based, rather than "contrived." I've often advocated for the lynching of anti-town townies simply because they were a threat to town. It's not unheard of.
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(Also, who's on the third floor and who's on the first?)
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@Buddamoose
@Vaarka
This argument is immaterial to the game at hand. We should be trying to decide on a lynch. I favor Supa over Hammer. I'm not sure I understand the argument for a Hammer lynch.
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
How?Get to the foyer.
Can we even move through the house?
You can try and pass through the blades. Alternatively, the interior walls look structurally unsound.
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@Buddamoose
Well, I don't know about the show and haven't had time to do research. So FMPOV it's basically me taking your word over his over an interpretation of a show I know nothing about and how that might apply to character assignment in this game.
Again, I don't put it past RM to have claimed that any character assigned to him is the main character simply because it was assigned to RM.
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@secularmerlin
@Buddamoose
@Earth
@TheDredPriateRoberts
@kindertina
Some of the group takes the spiral staircase all the way to the attic while others take the secret stairs to the first floor.
When they each arrive, they see that the house, on the whole, has changed. Where there were once doors are now whirling and spinning blades and scythes. The walls are brittle and rotted, with large holes and gaps. You can see thousands of rats swarming around inside. For the group in the hunting den on the first floor, thick, black noxious fumes are pouring out of the fireplace.
A loud, disembodied voice booms throughout the house: GET OUT
Player Summaries:
Eikka - 17/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⬤ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
✶Grahf - 20/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
Luraxt - 12/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
Roberts - 20/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⬤ | Second Wind ⬤
✶Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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Regarding RM's claim that Sally is the main character, I can't tell if this is a legit slip or a literal Freudian slip in the sense that RM thinks he's the main character in everyone's real lives. I can see reading that someone is a "matriarch" and then thinking that they are a, if not the, main character.
If this is a show that toys around with no really good or bad characters, then a character that realizes their previous mistakes is about as good/town as we're going to get.
Right now my main FOS is Supa.
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Unclaimed main character is town until we have reason to believe otherwise. People FOSing such a person is inherently suspect. We have 3 claims, 2 of which are full claims. Supa's response to RM's claim seems manufactured. I'd like to get Supa's claim then either lynch him or whoever else is the scummist. I don't know anything about this series, so I'm inclined to believe RM's summary of his character unless someone has an alternate analysis.
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(how're you guys going up stairs? The staircase to the attic or the secret staircase to the first floor?)
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VTL Madman
I am currently travelling, so limited posting this weekend.
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(Spell books are simply a repository of spells known to the wizard. They can only prepare for the day a subset of the spells in their book. A wizard can copy spells from a found spell book into their own for a cost of 50gp and 1 hour per level of the spell.
None of the items have historical significance.
You also have a deed to a windmill)
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(other than the healing potions, the only thing magical is the robe which is a robe of protection.
The book is a wizards spellbook with the following spells:
1st level: disguise self, identify, mage armor, magic mis-
sile, protection from evil and good
2nd level: darkvision, hold person, invisibility,
magic weapon)
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@Buddamoose
(Sure you're back with the ring. Drow get the dancing lights cantrip. Faerire fire is lvl1 that they get at level 3)
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@Buddamoose
(It appears to be a normal skeleton. With a robe and shiny golden ring in its finger. Shiny.)
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@secularmerlin
@Buddamoose
@Earth
@TheDredPriateRoberts
@kindertina
(Just a note guys. I will be traveling and out of town for tomorrow and this weekend. So limited posting on my behalf probably).
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Day 2 - Midday
[Short Rest Summary]
[Eikka Heals: d8 (6) + 1d6 (3) + 2 = 11 HP; 0 Hit Dice Left; Channel Divinity Reset]
[Grahf Heals: d10 (5) + 1d6 (6) + 2 = 13 HP; 1 Hit Die Left; Breath Weapon Reset]
[Roberts Heals: d10 (9) + 1d6 (2) + 2 = 13 HP; 1 Hit Die Left; Action Surge Reset]
While the group rests, Snerp scouts out the remainder of this floor. He uncovers a series of prisoner cells down the northern hallway. In one of them is a skeleton with a black robe. The rest are empty.
Player Summaries:
Eikka - 17/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⬤ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
✶Grahf - 20/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
Luraxt - 12/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
Roberts - 20/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⬤ | Second Wind ⬤
✶Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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Grahf throws his remaining sword at the mount, it lodges painfully in some unidentifiable part of its anatomy. Grahf then retreats through the portcullis opening.
[Ranged Weapon Attack (with advantage): d20 (3, 18) + 1 = 19, Hit!]
[Improvised Weapon Damage: d8 (6) + 1 = 7 piercing damage]
Snerp fires an arrow, but it goes high and clanks off of the ceiling, then also heads towards the opening.
[Ranged Weapon Attack: d20 (7) + 4 = 11, Miss!]
Lumbering over Robert's body, the mound slowly ekes its way towards Eikka.
Roberts lays on the ground.
[Death Save: d20 (12) = 12, Success!]
From out of nowhere, a dark elf (drow) emerges from the northern most tunnel and hops into the small tunnel to lob a firebolt at the mound.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (12) + 4 = 16, Hit!]
[Firebolt Damage: d10 (10) = 10/5 = 5 fire damage]
The mound gives a shudder as the collective amount of wounds finally takes its toll and it collapses into a lifeless pile of refuse.
COMBAT OVER!
The chanting stops. Above them, dust falls from the ceiling as a deep rumble can be heard from the upper floors, then passes into silence.
Player Summaries:
Eikka - 7/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
✶Grahf - 8/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⭘ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
Luraxt - 12/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
Roberts - 0/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ [Stable; Unconscious; Prone]
✶Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⭘⭘
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@Earth
(Greatclub is two-handed. So you have to choose between one or the other)
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@EtrnlVw
By "life" I mean in the physical, biological sense. Not some wishy washy disembodied consciousness sense.
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A New Challenger Arrives!
Player Summaries:
[15] Grahf - 8/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⭘ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
[15] Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⭘⭘ [Concentrating on Heroism on Roberts, 5 rounds remaining]
[14] Mound - Bloodied [On Fire (d4); Advantage on next attack against this guy]
[13] Roberts - 4/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ [+4 temporary HP; Immune to frightened; Dying: 2 Successes]
[6] Luraxt - 12/12 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⬤⬤
[2] Eikka - 7/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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You are now trying to ooze to "life always existing".
I said that in my first response to you. "The alternative to abiogenesis is to say that life always existed, forever"
Defend your claim. Abiogenesis has no scientific evidence at all. None. Theories do not mean the idea is true.
Correct, but that's what science is: theories. We're talking about science, remember?
This is not evidence. It's inductive logic. And it is poor thinking.
Science incorporates a variant of inductive logic known as abductive logic.
Namely your, "Ergo life had to arise from non-life:" it does not necessarily follow from the premise.
I'm open to alternative deductions. Do you have one?
I mentioned that creation Ex Nihilo is a form of abiogenesis. You said you didn't see how.That is a lie. You said, "Science leads to abiogenesis" I said science does not lead to abiogenesis. Dishonesty will not help your position.
I said, here: "The alternative to abiogenisis is to say that life always existed, forever. Even creation ex nihilo is a form of abiogenisis." (Emphasis mine)
To which you replied, here: "I don't see how" directly below your quotation of mine.
So you then assume it HAS happened?
In nature? Currently? No, I don't assume that. I am simply noting we lack the requisite knowledge to rule out that it has happened or is happening with the level of certainty you display.
The Gentle Readers who have not had their thinking crippled by anti-theism will know.
Yeah, but you're talking to me. So perhaps you should address your comments appropriately?
Why?
That's what's science is about, baby.
Illogical. We are talking about both.
No, for this specific statement we were talking about laboratory conditions. Either they matter or they don't. If they matter, then that certainly hurts the case for fusion, doesn't it? If it doesn't matter, why bring it up?
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@ethang5
If one of the alternatives to abiogenesis is to say that life always existed, forever, so what? There have been theories that stipulate the universe has always existed. We go where the science leads, we do not choose it's destination.
There is no scientific theory that suggests that life has always exists. We're talking about science, right?
Lol. Without one scrap of evidence? When you wake up, look up real science.
Plenty of scraps. At some point in Earth's history there wasn't life. At some point there was. Ergo life had to arise from non-life: abiogenesis. We're just working on the details.
Then go debate the people who ascribe to creation Ex Nihilo. I have never used the term. Argue against what my argument is, not what you try to set it as.
I mentioned that creation Ex Nihilo is a form of abiogenesis. You said you didn't see how. I explained how. If you didn't want the explanation, why did you ask for one?
Untrue. We do know that. You may not want to admit it, but science is not by preference.
The only way to confirm that abiogenesis never happens in nature would be to have complete knowledge of everything going on in nature. No one has that.
Ever. Since records began. Anywhere. In any experiment. Any lab. Any farm. Anywhere.
Yep. And?
Lol, OK. There is no scientific mechanism for abiogenesis. It has NEVER been known to happen. No science supports it. But that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
You are correct in that we have not figured out the exact scientific mechanisms under which abiogenesis happened. We're still looking.
Untrue. Unlike abiogenesis, there are instances in nature of sustainable fusion. Lets not add dishonesty to our ignorance of science OK? There is no instance of abiogenesis anywhere. None.
We weren't talking about "instances in nature" we were talking about in experiments. No experiment has set up sustained fusion. Ergo, according to your logic, fusion is impossible.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(You and Merlin have used your inspiration, Grahf and Snerp still have theirs)
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If one of the alternatives to abiogenesis is to say that life always existed, forever, so what? There have been theories that stipulate the universe has always existed. We go where the science leads, we do not choose it's destination.
Science leads to abiogenesis.
I don't see how.
Abiogenesis means "life from non-life". Creation Ex Nihilo means "creation from nothing." Nothing is non-life. Creation is life. Creation Ex Nihilo is a form of "life from non-life."
In 6,000 years of recorded human history, there has NEVER been a single instance of abiogenesis. Not a single one. NEVER. Every single time life has started, it has come from previous life.
Simply put, we don't know that. There certainly hasn't been a recorded instance of abiogenesis, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I'm not sure what relevance this has. At some point, the planet didn't have life. At another, it did. The reasonable conclusion is that life arose, somehow, from non-life. The details are still being worked out.
Every single experiment trying to simulate early Earth conditions, or set up conditions for abiogenesis, to see if life can start spontaneously, has failed miserably. All of them.
The same could be said for sustainable fusion. I guess fusion doesn't exist either.
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@thett3
It was an off topic thread, sure. But the ability to move threads to appropriate forums exists and has been used before. I didn't even realize this one was locked. I wonder what part of the CoC the mods think this violates.
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@ethang5
The alternative to abiogenisis is to say that life always existed, forever. Even creation ex nihilo is a form of abiogenisis.
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@Goldtop
Well, even theists accept abiogenesis (which simply means life from non-life); the issue is whether it happened naturally or through magic. There is no evidence that the process would require magic (and magic doesn't exist) ergo no reason to assume it.
But, the search for the exact details continues.
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Grahf readies himself to receive Snerp's dagger.
In a fluid motion, Snerp tosses his dagger to Grahf and runs down to give a potion to Eikka. Eikka sits upright, sputtering. Being forced unconscious this many times will not be good for her long term brain health.
[Healing Potion: 2d4 (1, 4) + 2 = 7 hit points healed]
In possession of the dagger, Grahf wings it at the Mound, but it simply disappears into its mass.
The mound wraps its vines around Eikka and attempts to draw her into itself, but she wriggles free.
Roberts lays on the ground.
[Death Save: d20 (16) = 18, Success!]
Eikka disengages and regroups with Snerp and Grahf
The end comes! Death, be praised! The end comes! Death, be praised!
(Next Round!)
Player Summaries:
[15] Grahf - 8/20 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⭘ | Divine Sense: ⬤⬤⬤ | Lay on Hands: 0 | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘
[15] Snerp - 13/13 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⬤ | Spell Slots: 1⬤⭘⭘ [Concentrating on Heroism on Roberts, 5 rounds remaining]
[14] Mound - Bloodied [On Fire (d4); Advantage on next attack against this guy]
[13] Roberts - 4/20 HP - 17 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ [+4 temporary HP; Immune to frightened; Dying: 2 Successes]
[2] Eikka - 7/17 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 1⭘⭘⭘
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