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@Vader
No, we don't have to lynch the Hated, we just have to win the game before it gets to the point where their existence would give the Mafia a win.
Also, how do you not understand RVS, yet?
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I think it's pretty clear what the Hated character would be. And, as life often imitates art, there is another discussion about whether we should let this Hated character live and play in our reindeer games.
As I said last game: We do not need to lynch the Hated.
All Hated Town does is make MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.
But, guess what, when you mislynch a townie you're making MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.
So lynching the Hated or letting it live is mechanically the same.
That said, role =/= affiliation and this could be Hated scum, but but that decisions turns on reads and/or reports.
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@Mikal
Or, you know, you could just get better at convincing people. Or, ever better, accept that sometimes you can't get your way and table flipping isn't an appropriate response to that.
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@Elminster
I'm fairly certain you don't act this way there, so one wonders why you're game throwing here.
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@zedvictor4
Nope....I'll tell you the answer.18.But do you possess the intellectual ability to tell me why.As I've stated all along, it's a very simple, basic, puzzle format that any keen puzzler would have cracked in a couple of minutes....It's just a case of what you know and how you consequently think.
Sorry, you're wrong. It's actually 3.
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Vote CountRagnar [1/5] WaterPhoenixChris [1/5] iLikePie5warren42 [1/5] Ragnar
VTL Ragnar
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Town:
me
whiteflame
Null
MisterChris
warren42
Possible TP
Pie
Danielle
Scum
Ragnar
WaterPhoenix
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@Danielle
If you can't provide your reads on me because I haven't provided my reads on who, how can you expect me to provide my reads on you when you haven't provided your reads on me?
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Guys. This is all a farce. The DP ended last month
With 8 players, it takes 5 to lynchYou have until 11/19/20 at 11:30CST
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@fauxlaw
Age? Too young to know what's going on.
What are you blathering about? Are you suggesting that, because I was young during a time period that it is impossible for me to know or have learned anything about that time period?
Check the citation I gave to Edge, look at both of them
Neither of them involve any sort of anti-AIDS documentation that people were required to have to travel and and attend parties.
Relative to betting, there's knowledge and there's ignorance. I play cards, but I rarely gamble because I can count cards, and not only know what I hold, but can pretty well guess what's in others' hands. It's cheating, so I don't do it when betting money, but I am [was] a professional statistician - a Six Sigma Black Belt.
As someone that actually does gamble from time to time on cards, none of that makes a any sense. It is a string of words strung together in a meaningless fashion.
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@Theweakeredge
I hit the wrong reply button
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@fauxlaw
Funny, coming from a ten-year-old at the time.
What does my age at the time have to do with anything?
1M people still have HIV/AIDS today. 700K have died. By the time you were 10, the U.S. had travel restrictions prohibiting people with AiDS from coming here.
Certainly it did, but you are talking about a passport or other documentation to "move about in society, travel, hob-nob, eat indoors in restaurants in NYC, party... and whatnot?" No such thing existed for HIV/AIDs.
How do you think we knew how to distinguish? For men in your age group, AIDS was the leading cause of death. And you're certain in the 15th century, nobles didn't segregate themselves? Do a little research, Draft. I invented nothing.
You started the question with "What do you want to bet" which implies you guessing. That is, you made up the concept you think existed, but have no evidence for it. So whether or not such a thing actually existed, in the context of the conversation it's something you just thought of, rather than derived from some sort of evidence.
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Given that it is MYLO the question is, do we have enough of a read on someone to risk a mislynch or do we No Lynch and let Mafia narrow things down. One less person means greater the odds of getting scum.
However, with a known killing role, a redirector, and a motivator, there is also a risk in NLing. If pie kills a townie, or is redirected to a townie, that's game over. If Ragnar motivates mafia, that's probably game over depending on their abilities. But also if Pie is - for example - a third party killing role, Town can't afford to lynch him anymore meaning we have to hope Mafia takes him out at some point.
All that said, I'm fairly prone to go policy on this one.
VTNL
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@whiteflame
Yes, it is possible that I'm a scum tracker, so Speed's read of me following using Dreamer is not necessarily accurate. I guess it's up to you to decide whether I've been sus in other respects.Just to clarify at this point, my suspicions have largely shifted to Ragnar. Danielle is making a number of good points, and since you did not confirm that Ragnar had visited you (a move you could have made if you were scum partners), that makes me less suspicious of you. The timing of your claim set me off, but I don't think the point was meaningful.
I'm not saying I scum read you, I am simply noting that - especially at MYLO - parroting Speed's read of you is not prudent.
My primary issue with Ragnar is the choice of me as a target. At this stage in the game, he should have targeted someone he clearly thought was a Townie or waived. It is simply too risky to give Mafia a free action this late in the game.
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@Danielle
The mafia tracker is typically called a Scout and the mafia watcher is called Lookout iirc (I may be confusing the two).
You're right, but it can go either way, I think. Legend of Zelda had a third party tracker and your own Riddle mafia had a "mafia watcher" rather than a lookout.
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@fauxlaw
Do I hear whispered echoes of a similar "passport" from 30 years ago when you were worried about AIDS in a sexual frenzy that suddenly went cold turkey until you had proof of clearance from that plague? What do you want to bet that some elites in the 15th century had such "passports" to prove immunity from the Black Plague?
Neither of these existed, nor will there be any sort of "COVID" passport.
Yup. I hear your elite passport scanning apps on your smartphones coming down the pipe; lighting you up like Christmas trees.So, why are you same people so averse to having proof [a "passport"] for voter i.d.? Hmmmm?
Wait, so you invented 3 different fictitious passports as support for voter suppression? That's a bit of a weird pivot. Why is this in "Science and Nature"?
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@zedvictor4
This was the puzzle I posed:1 2 5 20 1 4 5 20 ?What is the missing number.
3
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@WaterPhoenix
Speed said he saw roles for whitelfame, right? So one of those roles had to be tracker. But tracker isn't an exclusively Town role, so I'm not sure what Speed was buying.
In fact, since the roles should be roles from the game, I'm wondering what three roles he saw that are exclusively town. Vig and Beloved Princess and Motivator are the only ones that are exclusively (or near enough so) to be Town. All the rest could very well be maf sided.
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@Barney
In catching up, I am also curious as to why you chose to motivate me. I heavily implied a lynch-related role, which has no night action. Did you think I was a "safe" person to target with that in mind, in which case why not just waive?
I can understand not motivating Pie, Water, or Speed, but out of the rest, targeting me seems a bit odd.
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@Greyparrot
FBI only has statistics on arrests and convictions and such, not on actual crimes committed.
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@ILikePie5
I'm kind and caring and the 3rd princess in my line.
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So I'm scummy because I didn't come in and invite the person you hammered?
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It's risky to do it with votes at this stage. Two town votes on a townie and make quick hammers.
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@whiteflame
Anything you said there.
Let's put it another way. You say I'm scum. If I was town and telling the truth about my claim, how would me behavior be different than it is now?
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I wasn't around at the end of last DP so I didn't catch That1's final claim. Bride makes perfect sense, I think, in the overall design of the game and I would have unvoted if I had seen it.
I think it synergizes will with my own role:
I am Elizabeth Liones from Seven Deadly Sins.
I am the DP3 Beloved Princess. Basically until DP3, I am the Beloved Princess (if lynched, we lose a DP, if night killed, we lose an NP). So yesterday was kind of a bluff. I was implying lynch proof hoping the maf would NK me.
Since it is now DP3, I am a vanilla.
I think That1 being a bride that doesn't activate until NP3 syncs will with a Beloved Princess that stops working on DP3.
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@Greyparrot
Please provide a reference that black people commit more crimes.
Note: Note a reference that more black people are arrested for crimes, charged with crimes, or are convicted of more crimes, a statistic that shows that they are actually committing more crimes, including crimes not reported, and crimes that don't result in arrest, charges, or convictions.
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@Danielle
@warren42
@MisterChris
Danielle:
With 13 players Pie could be a TP serial killer, however I dunno if he would have brought attention to himself by shooting NP1 if he's TP. I guess he'd have to prove he's the vig if he was gonna claim that.
He claimed because at the beginning of the DP I said the Vig should claim or we'll treat him as a hostile third party if he claimed later. He might still be SK, but we know who he is. As long as Water is alive he should waive his action but regardless, he has to play town sided to help get maf. He's under watch and under control.
Warren:
What's all this talk about croc being a bad result? We had the vig shoot the hated. That's the optimal scenario.
No, the optimal scenario would be having the vig shoot mafia.
MisterChris:
OK drafterman refusing to character claim hits me as scummy asf. Gonna keep reading to see how this pans out
Why? Actually articulate the reasons here. You have this habit of just saying things without actually tying it back to how it actually pertains to a game of mafia. You did this last game with the demanding I out the cop "just to be sure" or some shit. Actually ground it in some reason other than it just feels wrong.
You see back in the day, when I was learning mafia from the venerable bluesteel I was told not to claim easily. That readily and freely claiming is the scum tell because scum, if they have a viable claim, wants to get it out there to gain town cred, whereas a townie wants to withhold the little information they have from mafia and aren't sure to trust.
Other than some internet rando pinging me and demanding I claim, there has been no pressure. None. People have whined and moan about me not claiming but there actually hasn't been any substantial pressure for me to do so. If people really wanted my claim, they'd act like it. This demand for my claim was half-hearted at best and just mindless: "Oh, we don't know what to do, guess we'll push for claims" which only feeds into my previous point that getting claims is what we do when we have nothing else to go on. And we have plenty to go on.
You want to pressure me, pressure me. But I'm not getting lynched today. And since I'm not getting lynched today, there isn't any pressure that really can be exerted on me, hence no reason to claim. I will claim when pressured, but it is not possible to pressure me.
RE: Justifications.
Justifications are admittedly weak, why are we still demanding them and wringing our hands over them? The justifications are shit. Move on.
RE: That1User
Holy hell that OMGUS. I don't think I've seen a case this bad since the 1912 Spanish OMGUS epidemic. The only cure is VTL That1User
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@Danielle
I can't speak for other people. I'm saying it so the rest of the players don't waste their time on a futile action. I'm not getting lynched today, so move on.
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