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@SirAnonymous
Grey has suggested his death isn't inevitable and that another role might be able to "save" him. Could be true, could be scum hedging his bets.
Meta-wise it would be completely out of character for Grey - as scum - to claim this role AND allow for his own lynch.
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People be acting like games are never unbalanced and unbalanced combinations of roles can't exist.
90% of the conversations in End Game threads is players (usually the losers) bitching about how unbalanced the game was.
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If there is a single lesson I've learned in all my years playing Mafia is that players don't know dick about balance.
1. You can only establish balance after knowing ALL the roles in the game.
2. There is nothing saying the game can't, in fact, be balanced.
In situations like this, where there is some anti-utility role, scum is usually smart enough to realize that they have to be on that lynch otherwise they look scummy by comparison.
Consider just last game with oro as Turn Coat. Scum would have preferred oro stay alive so they can convert him, but being conspicuously not on his lynch would have been suspicious, so they pushed for his lynch to look town sided.
This is also the exact same scenario. It is a better guarantee that scum is on Grey's wagon than it is that Grey is scum himself.
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UVC
Pie - 1/7 - drafterman
Grey - 5/7 - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon
SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi
Bullish - 2/7 - DD, Grey
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We'll just go through each in turn.
Unvote. VTL Delicious Apple Pie.
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I'm inclined to put Bullish, Supa, and Single in my town pile.
That leaves Pie and Sir.
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If there was a thematic split, I'd say Singularity was the third party, but there isn't so.... meh.
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There is definitely scum on Grey's wagon.
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I just want to get this straight...
Supa things GP might be a Jester and... because of that... wants to lynch him ergo making him achieve his win condition at the expense of everyone else?
Thinking like this could only come from a town-sided Supa.
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Claimed
GP - Helmut Zemo - Suicidal
Supa - Steve Rogers - Lover with Lucky
Singularity - Lucky - Lover with Steve
Unclaimed
WaterPhoenix
SirAnonymous
SupaDudz
Ragnar
Greyparrot
Singularity
Discipulus_Didicit
drafterman
ILikePie5
oromagi
Lunatic
warren42
Bullish
UVC
Ragnar - 1/7 - drafterman
Grey - 5/7 - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon
SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi
Bullish - 2/7 - DD, Grey
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There is a fair share of blame to go around on the Town side
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@TheHammer
In retrospect I should have had you in the game as the only super-powered mafioso
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No it's not. She already has every media outlet pumping out her messaging. Calling out the ridiculousness of her message does not amplify it further.
Anything you do that calls attention to the message and makes more people aware of it amplifies it.
Are you kidding? She is at the very center of the democratic party.
I don't think so. She's basically a punchline.
She isn't running, but most of the major candidates running have had meetings with her.
And?
Most of the major campaigns are filled with staffers that are friends and allies of Clinton.
Exactly. She is a ship that sunk. She herself is a lost cause that has no relevance any more. But that doesn't mean she didn't hire competenat staff or have powerful allies. That's exactly why you would have a meeting with her, to poach her resources and use them to your own ends. Doesn't make her the "center of the democractic party." She's a corpse and the vultures are feasting on her remains.
The DNC is filled with her cronies. She is still extremely relevant until she, or the people she has all those connections with, are gone.
It's DC politics. Everyone has connections with everyone going back to the dawn of the country. There is no point in time when "she, or the people she has all those connections with, are gone." It's a self-perpetuating machine.
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@HistoryBuff
Pointing out the ridiculousness and stupidity of someone is not amplifying their voice.
Yes it is.
It is providing evidence as to why the establish of the democratic party have utterly failed and need to be replaced.
Except she's not relevant to the Democratic party anymore.
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@HistoryBuff
So you're taking this woman who you think is out of touch and entitled and... amplifying her voice?
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@Alec
It is arguable as to whether or not COPPA applies to DART.
However, DART's staff of knowledgeable legal counsel is probably wanting, so rather than hire someone to dig through arcane US legal code to see if it really applies, risk getting that determination wrong, and implement necessary restrictions if it does apply, a blanket minimum age limit is the most practical course of action in this situation.
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Sir, Grey, Singularity, and Zaradi all put in good showings. The issue is that they were too focused on where they disagreed rather than focusing on where they agreed.
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Ongoing
Sign-ups
Speedrace (Captain America: Civil War)
In the Hopper
TUF- Recycled Roles mafia
ILikePie5 - Pick 1: Narcos, Riverdale, Bakugan Battle Brawlers
warren- open setup, likely themeless
Zaradi - Yu-gi-oh!
Virtuoso
Bullish (Memes of the 2010's)
SupaDudz- Total Drama Island
drafterman
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@Bullish
Game is already over, I won
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@ILikePie5
We’re arguing over opinion
If it's your opinion then it isn't objective.🤣
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@SirAnonymous
Speed and Ragnar were pretty good in figuring out who was who, and this is a setup where readily claiming can hurt.
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@ILikePie5
Not really. Case in point: Y'all didn't lynch a single mafia.
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@ILikePie5
Also, no one was "confirmed" at that point. The masons confirm each other, yes, but only to themselves. Confirming them to town requires one to die. BP is never confirmed.
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@SirAnonymous
I would love to dip into an alternative universe where he didn't claim because that would have changed the hole dynamic. Almost certainly Speed would have used his message ability to try and find the Turn Coat but then it's a risk. Do you message them hoping they want to flip or risk them wanting to stay town and outing you?
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@ILikePie5
And? You guys didn't lynch a single Mafia person.
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I think the game was fairly balanced. Scum had no real active roles other than messaging, but town also had no real investigative roles except Mason, which is one shot and dies if they hit scum.
The primary actions (governor and restless spirit) basically depend on the skills and abilities of whoever has them.
BP is just passive and there to give the town a slight edge, but also limit the ability of Mafia to know if they hit the Turn Coat.
The Turn Coat basically fills a TP slot. Normally mafia doesn't know about them and they don't learn about the mafia, but the Spy's ability negate that. Mafia wouldn't have been able to distinguish between a NK that failed because the BP was hit or because the Turncoat turned. At least not initially.
I suppose I didn't expect the TP to outright claim, as the only sensible thing to do is lynch them.
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@Speedrace
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Also, I think this game goes to show that people don't know what the hell combinations are actually "OP"
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Yeah, I also found it surprising that there was still role/mechanics confusion in a game where everything is explicit public knowledge.
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@SirAnonymous
It was moreso that Supa FOS'd someone because Supa himself correctly guessed a Character-Role association.
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Face Palm Moment:
Supa: "I think Shab would be Vanilla"
Grey: "You're right, I'm Shab and I'm Vanilla."
Supa: "You must be scum."
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Also, the reason there was no thematic cut between town and scum was, frankly, because I couldn't think of one. I had some ideas but none of them really held up so I just abandoned the idea altogether.
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@Speedrace
One, our message begins with "You received the following message," real caroler results would not begin with thatAnd two, they get received during the NP, vs real caroler messages which would get delivered during the DP
Winner winner chicken dinner.
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Also, as an FYI, it would have been possible for the astute to recognize Speed's message as a fake.
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@Speedrace
The Caroler results were a very good idea from Speed. They served their purpose in distracting Town, though, personally, I would have never have acted on them without the Caroler outing themselves.
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@SirAnonymous
I had them. I had evidence.
You didn't need the evidence.
You and Zaradi both had Speed/Ragnar as a scum team possibility. Grey and Singularity would have been on board with Ragnar.
This was the thing Grey was trying to get across: evidence and arguments are not needed if you already agree on who is scum.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
Face the music
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@Barney
@Vader
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
@Singularity
Walk of shame
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Mafia Wins!
Ragnar:
You are WARREN.You are the GOON. You win with the Mafia.
SirAnonymous
You are WHITEFLAME.You are the VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Singularity
You are PRESS. You were the first person voted out to be on the Jury and decide the final winner.You are the RESTLESS SPIRIT. While dead, you may visit another player each night. During the following Day Phase, you will have a vote placed on that player.
SupaDudz
You are DRAFTER. Between winning challenges and hidden immunity idols, you were the vulnerable the least number of times throughout the game.You are the BULLETPROOF. You cannot be killed other than by lynching. You win with the Town.
Zaradi
You are SUPA. You were protected by an immunity idol at a key moment, forcing out another player.You are the 1x GOVERNOR. If the Day Phase voting would result in a player's lynching, you may change those results during the following Twilight Phase. You may change the results to another player or to a No Lynch. You win with the Town.
GreyParrot
You are SHAB.You are the VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Speedrace
You are LORDLUKE. You fancied yourself a mole, passing messages among players in the game.You are the SPY. Below is a list of all roles in the game. During each Twilight Phase you may select one of those roles to send a message to. The player with that role will receive the message during the following Night Phase.
Waterphoenix
You are SUI. You formed a majority alliance at a key point in the game, turning the tide for those alligned with you.You are a 1x MASON. Each night, you and the other masons visit another player and convert them into a MASON. You will all die if that person is Mafia.(This is the role PM verbatim, but you are 1x meaning you get to mason one person and convert them into a mason, but can't recruit beyond that).You win with the Town.
oromagi
You are SPEED. You used your mutiny ability to switch to the other tribe.You are the TURNCOAT. You win with the Town. The first time the Mafia tries to Night Kill you, you will not die, but your alignment will change to win with the Mafia.
ILikePie
You are REF.You are the VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Twilight/Night Actions
TP/NP1
Zaradi - Waive
Speedrace - Send message to Water; NK Supa
Water - Recruit Grey
TP/NP2
Singularity - Vote Ragnar
Zaradi - Waive
Speedrace - Send message to Supa; NK Grey
TP/NP3
Singularity - Vote Zaradi
Zaradi - Overturn lynch onto SupaDudz
Speedrace - Waive message; NK Water
Analysis
This was a weird game to watch. Town had some rather insightful moments... and then never acted on them. Going into DP2, you had 3 confirmed/confirable Townies + a failed NK. That was a setup for success. Yet, collectively, you decided on some bizarre lynch decisions.
Day Phase 2 (and 3), Grey, Zaradi, Singularity all FOS'd Ragnar (and speed was willing to bus) but somehow you couldn't put it together and get him lynched. Zaradi even believed Singularity to be town while FOSing Ragnar, yet deliberately waived and let Singularity get lynched.
But, perhaps the most frustrating part was the exchange starting with this:
" look at the people that are not in my townpile. That are also not in your townpile." - GreyParrot
That is the most important statement ever made in the history of mafia. It is, in fact, the only statement that ever matters. If people HAD actually looked at their collective non-town piles and focused on where those piles overlapped (i.e. Ragnar) this game would have went better for Town. It is both a shame that this point was missed and a greater shame that Grey did not have the patience to explain it further.
Solid win for Mafia.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@SirAnonymous
@Zaradi
Let's get this party started (ended).
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All Roles taken from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_pFVyzYrrc2kkwkX60hMmmTeYrM0bC3LejPCYtLZ9cQ/edit
Important note: I end DPs and judge activity by votes. DP only ends when there is a majority lynch AND everyone is voting -OR- due to time limit. If DP ends due to time limit, non-voting players are ejected into the sun. If there is an available replacement, they will be replaced. Otherwise they just get mod-killed.
Killed in the Night
Grey:
You are SHAB.You are a 0x MASON. Each night, you and the other masons visit another player and convert them into a MASON. You will all die if that person is Mafia.You win with the Town.
Graveyard
oromagic - SPEED - TURNCOAT - TOWN
Singularity - PRESS - RESTLESS SPIRIT - TOWN
Water - SUI - 1x MASON - TOWN
SupaDudz - DRAFTERMAN - BP - TOWN
GreyParrot - 0x MASON - TOWN
Living Players
1. Ragnar
2. SirAnon
3. Zaradi
4. Speedrace
5. ILikePie
With 5 players, it takes 3 votes to lynch. This DP will end by 7:30 pm (EST) on 1/23/2020.
IMPORTANT MOD NOTE: With the RESTLESS SPIRIT ability there are more votes than there are living players, meaning it is possible for more than one person to get enough votes needed to lynch. At the end of the DP, ALL players with enough votes needed to lynch will be lynched.
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The Twilight Phase has ended!
SupaDudz was lynched!
You are DRAFTER. Between winning challenges and hidden immunity idols, you were the vulnerable the least number of times throughout the game.You are the BULLETPROOF. You cannot be killed other than by lynching. You win with the Town.
The Night Phase has begun. It will end in 48 hours or when all actions have been submitted!
THREAD IS STILL CLOSED
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