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So I guess we wait for oro's thing, then we lynch Supa?
I think we should get water and Mharman's night actions as well.
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@A-R-O-S-E
No one would get that in a million years and I can't encourage you enough that these kinds of gambits are generally more harmful to Town than not.
FWIW, I would have done what I did whether or not I was scum for the exact reason you said: Not doing so would make me look like scum.
I'd sooner readily agree to it, have you die, and then trust my ability to talk my way out of the ensuing day phase.
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@A-R-O-S-E
NVM my last question. Grey is right. If you had died, everyone would have lynched me instead.
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@Vader
Are you suggesting that oro is on the same team as Cog, who he CC"d and got lynched?
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@A-R-O-S-E
How do you figure?Actually, water is town confirmed
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Going over previous DPs, some things that stick out
Since A-R-O-S-E has full claimed, I'd like them to provide the full details about how to decrypt their post here:
Supa's behavior is kind of all over the place. He sus'd oro for pressuring Press (a noob), but ignores when AROSE' does it, then ends up adding pressure to Press himself, saying "why not." He then flips back and sus's oro again for it while ignoring AROSE. And yet still says to lynch Press. Even after I came in a relieved the inactivity pressure on Press, Supa resumes that pressure once Press came back in.
warren bread crumbs that Dr. Strange would be a doctor. And odd pick, maybe paving the way for when Cog would have to claim?
warren pushes this theory that Grey has claimed "two different roles" when it's abundantly clear he has only claimed one role and just called it two different things.
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@oromagi
Noobs might be intimidated being scum, but I don't think this logic pans out in practice.
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@oromagi
If you can explain how one's affiliation in a forum game is going to mystically alter the fabric of spacetime to change how and when they get online, I'd be very interested in hearing it.
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I understand that waiting on this will be presumed to be stalling, but really, it is going to boil down to a matter of who's online vs. not.
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@WaterPhoenix
The choice of NK is curious. Pie wasn't that active and his role isn't really that powerful. Why eliminate him?
IMO, top choices would be oro or Water. Water would have been the safest kill since there they could have killed him with relative impunity. The fact that he is outed watcher and is alive is slightly suspicious.
@Water
What are your results?
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@Greyparrot
Well, it's a short message, so hard to "paraphrase" it, but it was a list of names:
Jai Modi
Jai Amit Shah
Jai Yogiadityanath
Jai BJP
They appear to be Indian politicians? religious figures? No idea.
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@Greyparrot
Hulk doesn't start fights, he ends them.
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@Barney
@oromagi
@Ragnar:
Did you try to kill anyone last night?
@oromagi
Any useful gadgets for today?
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Frankly, I think there are probably only 2 mafia left. Once we kill one of them it's auto-win for Town since Mafia can't kill me or AROSE.
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Dead:
4. ILikePie5 - Stan Lee - Messenger
12. Wylted - Thor - Gladiator/Silencer
9. CogentCognizer - Doctor Strange - Governor
Claims:
1. GreyParrot - Aunt May - Vote Giver
3. Ragnar - Clint Barton (Hawkeye) - Vig?
7. warren42 - Scarlet Witch - Oracle
8. oromagi - Tony Stark - Makes Gadgets
5. WaterPhoenix - Heimdall - Watcher
2. drafterman - Hulk - Bullet proof
10. SupaDudz - Nick Furry - PGO
11. A-R-O-S-E - Wasp - Weak Hider
6. Mharman - Mantis - 50/50 Roleblocker
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Okay, so Wylted lied (or did not understand) his role. He couldn't have gladiated me even if he wanted because it was an NP ability that takes place the next DP. If he had said that, I would have approached things differently.
Regardless, having people tunnel on me because they decide the mod is lying isn't helpful to the town and he had to go. I hope warren rethinks this strategy (especially since AROSE is not dead).
Grey doubled my vote today, and I received a message. It's gibberish, basically, and unfortunately Pie is dead and really can't decipher it. Maybe if other's reveal their message it will make sense.
I believe Grey, Ragnar, oro, Arose, and Mharman to be town.
Water is neutral.
warren and Supa are on my scum list.
I won't vote unless to hammer, since I basically carry 40% of the votes needed to lynch.
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@Swagnarok
Some objections:1. The Boy Scouts have always been a boys' space.
False. "Scouting" as an organization across the world has been co-ed for decades, the US is lagging behind in this area. Even when it was first generated, girls were not dissuaded from Scouting. The segregation implemented then was simply an extension of the general gender segregation of society, nothing to do with scouts itself.
Where they can be themselves without being sh*tted on by society for it.
False. Boys of that age are generally socializing with other boys their age anyway. Any social criticism and judgement they receive is going to be by their male peers which doesn't go away in Scouts. Scouts provides no insulation for this.
If girls are allowed in, eventually you'll have woman scoutmasters who'll approach scouting from a woman's perspective, which typically means harshly prohibiting any and all rough play, which can be good and healthy for boys and also a lot of fun depending on how it's done.
Baseless speculation.
2. Many such guys, being still young and dominated by their hormones, will excessively try to attract the attention of a female scout.
Dubious in theory and disproven in practice where co-ed scouting already exists.
Some of them will cross the line into harassment or even worse. At this point, it'll be reported on by the media, and the response, of course, will be to sh*t on boys for being their natural selves in what's supposed to be a boys' space.
False. Harassing girls (or worse) is not boys "being their natural selves." Also false that Scouts is "supposed to be a boy's space." As stated, the ideals and purpose of Scouting is gender neutral. The gender segregation (also racial segregation) was simply a result of the segregation of general society, not a mechanism implementing by Scouting.
3. Related to the second point, many such guys will be distracted by a pretty girl and not take scouting as seriously.
False. Not a problem in practice where it exists, or in any other co-ed environment (such as school).
If the response to this, of course, is to blame the boys in question for being distractable, then once again they'll be sh*tting on boys for being their natural selves in what's supposed to be a boys' space.
Scouting isn't "supposed to be a boys' space."
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Unofficial Vote Count
Drafter: Warren, Wylted, Water
Mharman: Supa
Wylted: Grey, Oro, Drafterman, Ragnar (x2?)
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Oro is town from the CC.
Mhraman is town from the lie detector.
Grey is town because I seriously hope that Mod wouldn't give mafia a Governor AND a vote giver.
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Wylted just scum read oro, whose CC is what allowed us to lynch scum DP1.
Unvote. VTL Wylted.
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Unofficial Vote Count
Drafter: Warren, Wylted, Water
Warren: Drafter
Ragnar: Water
Mharman: Supa
Pie: Oro
Wylted: Grey
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@Barney
I'm interested in why you voted me, then, if you understood the accusatory parts of his claim to be opinion not validate be the Lie Detector.
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I didn't mean to tag Wylted in that last post Oh well.
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@Wylted
AROSE is right that I think Wylted is scum and this is a good way to get him lynched. If AROSE hides behind me and survives, then he is definitely not going to do it after that.
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@Greyparrot
It's not dumb because he's not going to do it, so I just want to have it on record he's actually unwilling to put his money where his mouth is.
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@oromagi
Why did you choose to lie detect Mharman rather than any of the numerous posts I've made since I'm the one who is the most contentious right now?
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I like this idea as it basically makes AROSE and Myself unkillable (assuming AROSE is telling the truth)
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@Wylted
I've seen the move discussed in multiple strategy threads on other sites
Oh yeah, people talk about it all the time. I never said otherwise. People just don't ever do it.
and have personally witnessed it a dozen times.
Wow. A whole dozen. And yet you've provided evidence of exactly... 0.
It is also very very common and laughable that somebody with your experience is unaware of it
Wow. So we've gone from "not uncommon" to "very very common". I am aware of this idea. But in my 7 years of playing mafia I am not aware of it actually being put into practice. Certainly not to an "not uncommon" degree and absolutely not to a "very very common" degree.
I also notice you didn't actually refute my point. The strategy is only potentially viable because it is so rare.
Not to mention that your entire basis of FOS is because you believe the mod is lying.
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Dead:
9. CogentCognizer - Doctor Strange - Governor
Claims:
1. GreyParrot - Aunt May - Vote Giver
3. Ragnar - Clint Barton (Hawkeye) - Vig?
7. warren42 - Scarlet Witch - Oracle
12. Wylted - Thor - Gladiator/Silencer
4. ILikePie5 - Connected with every movie and a lot of the shows - ????
8. oromagi - Tony Stark - Makes Gadgets
5. WaterPhoenix - Heimdall - Watcher
2. drafterman - Hulk - Bullet proof
10. SupaDudz - Nick Furry - ????
11. A-R-O-S-E - Wasp - Weak Hider
6. Mharman - Mantis - 50/50 Roleblocker
UVC
drafterman - 3/6 - warren, Wylted, water
warren - 2/6 - drafterman, AROSE
Mharman - 1/6 - Supa
PIE - 2/6 - oromagi, Grey
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FWIW, I was brought to L-1 because of warren, Wylted, MHarman, and Ragnar. Some of those are probably scum. Mharman and Ragnar backed off. So you guys do the POE.
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@oromagi
Regardless, if it truth detected the whole statement, fine.
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@oromagi
You said it said what was true was the "50/50 roleblocker"
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@oromagi
Why is he confirmed town simply because he did not lie about his character?
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@oromagi
when exactly? as soon as you arrived or ?
I cant tell you that, it's against the rules.
Is it?
Yes, it is against the rules to cut and paste from your PM. Or use time stamps. Jesus Christ DOES ANYONE READ ANYTHING:
From the OP on DP1:
Don't use PM structure, wincons, PM time stamps, or things of that ilk as points of analysis in the game. Discussion of these issues is strictly prohibited. You may not C/P anything from your PMs into the game or take photos of your PMs. There is to be no communicating via non-mod-initiated methods, even with teammates or hydra-halves. This means there is to be no game-related discussion on G+ hangouts, rabb.it hangouts, unauthorized PMs on site, PMs offsite, etc. If you suspect or know that any such communication is taking place, you are obligated to inform me immediately.
isn't this a message from another player?
Yes, relayed to me via the mod. I don't know who the player is.
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@warren42
So you're wrong on just about every single thing you've said, but I'm still scum.
Got it.
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@oromagi
When did you get this message?
Last DP.
Can you give us the exact text?
That would be against the rules. Why are you trying to get me to mod kill myself?
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@warren42
No. I replaced in for Press first.
It's odd I have to tell you this because you know it this and commented on it several times last DP:
Remember? When you were saying I was literally mod confirmed town, before you started this DP saying I was mod confirmed scum?
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Mafia has no reason to lie about their characters or roles. Why Cog did is a mystery (as is why they didn't use their power) and I can only assume he panicked or was deliberately trying to out the real Iron Man.
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@oromagi
Which says precisely nothing about his affiliation.
At this point, we can effectively take people's character/role claims at face value. All of this nonsense about people confirming their roles is completely pointless.
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@warren42
Because I knew it was improper for me to replace in as someone else when my current character was still alive. I saw the replacement stuff in the game thread before I read my messages and objected to it there, and the resolution was to kick me from the game instead, which made the issue moot.
Also, I was on mobile at the time and actually accidentally deleted the message before reading it, so I can't really say what Speed sent me.
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I got a message about being someone's top town read and that instructions would follow. The message said not to reveal this until the message giver died and people asked for it.
Problem is, I don't think I'm anyone's top town read (save Grey, who isn't a message giver). So I'm revealing this because I think it's evidence that there is a redirector or something, which town needs to know.
As far as the NK is concerned, either they tried to target AROSE but it failed because they hid or they tried to target me and it failed because I'm BP. What I find odd is that, if AROSE successfully hid, how was Water able to watch him? AROSE' role says that night actions fail if he successfully hides.
So either he didn't hide, which raises the question of why Ragnar's action failed, or he did hide, which raises the question of why Water's role didn't fail.
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