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@Paul
We have a lumpy Universe composed of ultra-high set of interfering and overlapping helix-based, inverting-outverting tori.
“We need a new model, and we don’t know what that is yet,” says Melchiorri. Nobody has come up with a way to reconcile these Planck observations with the many cosmological measurements that disagree, which even include some of the other observations from the Planck observatory.
In fact, every other cosmological measurement that we have points to a flat universe. There are no other observations that hint the cosmos may actually be closed, and there is a chance that this Planck measurement is just a statistical fluke.
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@Fallaneze
Thank You { a prayer in of itself }.
The truth exists for those who seek it.
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A { the } Cosmic Trinity: The most comprehensive, wholistic outline........Ebuc
1} Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concepts of baseballs, dogs, Toyotas, God Space, mathematics etc i.e concepts are not an occupied space ergo they have no properties such as energy, spin, mass, color, taste, weight, sound, smell etc
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2} Metaphysical-2, macro-infinite, non-occupied space, that, surrounds/embraces the following,
3} Finite, occupied space Universe/God i.e. fermions { ex electrons }, bosons { ex photons }, Gravity, Dark Energy, etc.
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.................................................Uni - V - erse / G o d....................................................................
Blue = Gravity,..................Red = Time { Observed }.........Blood Red = Dark Energy
.......................................Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space..................................................
* * = bilateral consciousness of humans
i = ego i.e. self-identity
Time { occupied Space } = Observed Time i.e. observed { quantum } physical/energy reality ex fermionic matter, and bosonic forces all associated with sine-wave frequencies /\/\/\/\/
( ) = Gravity{ occupied space } via positive shaped geodesic Space is metaphysical-3, because has not been quantised nor quantified by humans, at least not yet and maybe never
)( = Dark Energy { occupied space } via negative shaped geodesic Space metaphysical-4, because it has not been quantise nor quantified and even less is known about Dark Energy than Gravity.
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Biologic and soul are synonyms ergo biologic/soul ergo all biologics are souls.
1} Spirit-1 = spirit-of-intent and metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
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2} Spirit-2 = physical/energy ergo Observed Time{ /\/\/\/ } as fermions, bosons and any aggregate collection thereof ex electrons, photons, rocks, biologics/souls, planets, etc
3} Spirit-3 = metaphysical-3 Gravity,
4} Spirit-4 = metaphysical-4 Dark Energy aka the cosmological constant Einstein put into his original maths. Dark Energy is the opposite of Gravity and is believed to be the cause of the accelerating expansion of Universe, that humans discovered about 15 years ago, indirectly.
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"Dare to be naive"... R. B. Fuller
"My education has been one of my biggest impediments to my learning"...A. Einstein
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."...R Feynman
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
You were pretty incoherent
Your ego creating mental blockages to truth sad ;--(
but what I got is that you think life starts the moment a baby is born.
More of you ego creating your usual false narrative. Sad :--(
You indecent immorals need to try sticking younose into a street fight ---where it has no business being--- and see what the results to their nose are in those circumstances. OUCH! Your nose will then become incoherent and you will be sad :--(.
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Facts:
Egg { X } is live biological organism of the woman.
Spermoza { X or y } is live biological organism of the male who gives his sperm to the female.
Combination of spermoza with egg equals an biological living oganism of ---and attached to-- the pregnant woman, until,
.....1} birth of fetus as baby only and,
.....2} disconnect of the umbilical cord.
The less complex male cannot, nor ever will be a womb-an irrespective of sexual transitions.
The more complex female and most complex pregnant woman are the most complex biological organisms of Universe.
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@SirAnonymous
It's just that I can't prove it's valid.
Proof is in the pudding i.e. the resultant you desire, arrives via your logic, then no worries.
Yes, it applies everywhere.
That only applys in a cosmic scnario, not local scenarios that have differrent frames of reference.
However, can you prove that it's self-evident or that it applies everywhere?
We have no evidence.
......even that assumes that the universe can be made sense of.
Is there some aspect of Universe you dont understand? Even if you dont understand others do or may claim that they do.
Scientists claim there exist 1st law of thermodynamics because no evidence of other such conclusions exist to date.
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Only standard-of-living is relevant to minimum wage.
Economics is irrelevant standard-of-living.
Clean air > clean water > clean food > clean sleep > orgasm >
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self serving = integrity of the ego { i }
...................Space( Time *) i (* Time }Space..................
serving the whole = integrity of the wholistic set of all egos
...................Space( Time *) i i i i i i (* Time }Space..................
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....."There was a natural slowdown in the rate of warming during roughly the decade of the 2000s due to a combination of volcanic influences and internal climate variability, but there was no actual 'hiatus' or 'pause' in warming," Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University and an author of the climate modeling study, said.
......A Lack of Arctic Data
....The notion of a pause in warming from approximately 1998 to 2012, was fueled in part by incomplete data and erroneous projections that have since been corrected, the studies conclude.......It's long been obvious that if there had been any blip in the trends it was temporary. The years that followed have hit new temperature records.
And new evidence has made clear why some were fooled.".....
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@Paul
..."If you look at data from the Planck satellite, and the 2018 legacy data in particular, it shows that the CMB is being more strongly gravitationally lensed than it should be. The Planck Collaboration called this anomaly Alens, and it's yet to be resolved, but the team believes that one explanation could be the shape of the Universe.
......"A closed Universe can provide a physical explanation for this effect, with the Planck cosmic microwave background spectra now preferring a positive curvature at more than the 99 percent confidence level," they wrote."....
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Furthermore, these indecent immorals need to try sticking their nose into a street fight ---where it has no business being--- and see what the results to their nose are in those circumstances. OUCH!
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Facts:
Egg { X } is live biological organism of the woman.
Spermoza { X or y } is live biological organism of the male who gives his sperm to the female.
Combination of spermoza with egg equals an biological living oganism of ---and attached to-- the pregnant woman, until,
.....1} birth of fetus as baby only and,
.....2} disconnect of the umbilical cord.
The less complex male cannot, nor ever will be a womb-an irrespective of sexual transitions.
The more complex female and most complex pregnant woman are the most complex biological organisms of Universe.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
It is just a scientific fact that when a sperm fuses with an egg through meiosis, a knew life forms with its own unique DNA code.
Facts:
Egg { X } is live biological organism of the woman.
Spermoza { X or y } is live biological organism of the male who gives his sperm to the female.
Combination of spermoza with egg equals an biological living oganism of ---and attached to-- the pregnant woman, until,
.....1} birth of fetus as baby only and,
.....2} disconnect of the umbilical cord.
The less complex male cannot, nor ever will be a womb-an irrespective of sexual transitions.
The more complex female and most complex pregnant woman are the most complex biological organisms of Universe.
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...."All primes except 2 and 3 fall on top line/level of existence in this static, inside-outed wave pattern."....
However, as an alternative, we could have the all primes except 2 and 3 fall on the bottom line, i.e. innner surface peak of curvature ---Dark Energy )(--- is where all primes fall instead of the top line outer surface peak of positive curvature and Gravity ( )
............2p.........4................................8...........10............................14...........16...............................20...........22...............
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0.....................................6...........................................12...............................................18............................................24
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.....1......................5p............7p.......................11p............13p...........................17p............19p.........................23p......
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@SirAnonymous
Logic Board - Mac
Mother Board - PC
Father Board - has all the gold ergo makes all the rules of logic ergo Drafterman states it correctly i.e. logic is only valid so far as the set of parameters its is framed within.
Universe's set of cosmic laws/principles do not contradict each other, operative everywhere and everywhen ergo eternally existent.
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MInd over matter is one thing
Geodesic Space ( )( ) phenomena over fermionic matter ( * )( * ) is another.
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..."These Swirls of Light Could Be Signs of a Previous Universe Existing Before Ours"...
Whirling Dirvishes....."With the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, the Sufi organizations were declared illegal, and the tekkes were either closed down, adapted into mosques, or turned into museums.
....Two of the most important remaining Mevlevihane are the ones in Konya (where Mevlânâ is buried) and the Galata Mevlevihanesi in Istanbul. By 1953 public performances of the Mevlevi Sema, or the Whirling Prayer Ceremony, were permitted by the Turkish government, and soon large crowds came from all over the world to watch displays organized by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism."..
...."A quote by Rumi states that, ‘All loves are a bridge to Divine love. Yet, those who have not had a taste of it do not know.’"...
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@Fallaneze
Yes we do know the answer.
Universe = God = Integrity of balanced { positive - negative } geodesic ( )( ) Space phenomena aka Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )(
Fermionic matter is 2ndary to geodesic Space field phenomena.
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@Paul
O} Finite Occupied Space Universe = integrity and has a shape albeit a dynamically changing shape
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LINK to a one of many possible, dynamically changing shaped Universe's that specifically is undulating
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00} Infinite Occupied Space Universe = lack of integrity ergo mythological nonsense and no associated shape is possible
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Ergo finite, yet infinite possibility.
Meaningless dribble.
Repeating your incoherent narrative is just immature childishness.
Please share when you have any shred of rational, logical common sense that addresses my comments as presented and adds to or detract from.
You do not because you have not because none of you have any significant relevance comments.
Hot air that has no consideration of truth and facts base don human observations is ego based mental blockages to truth, facts. Sad :--(
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@Stronn
WTF?
English symbols, word sentences are niether "odd" nor even except for odd numerals.
Texticonic symbols found on all keyboards are niether odd nor even.
Your ego based mental blockage is all that you have to offer and its of no relevant signficance to facts, truths, and speculations Ive presented many times, in many formats and with clarity.
As Ive stated countless many times and few takers, when you actual have any rational, logical common sense that addreses my comments as presented, and add to them or invalidate/detract, the please share.
You Do Not because you Have Not any of this latter above.
Pi^3 = 31.00 62 7 66....is factual truth so you go suck on your ego elsewhere until you learn to play fair, like an mature adult.
....it also makes sense as cosmic value for volumetric{ 3D enclosed } space
P^4 - 31 = 66.4... and makes rational sense as the the cosmic value for Time { Observed Time } i.e. occupied space reality aka physical/energy.
So go play with your ego based mental blockages elsewhere and when your actually want act like a mature adult and take jourrney on some rational logical common sense pathways. Please share. Other wise suck on your ego elsewhere.
Using odd symbols and technical sounding words does not mean you have a coherent mathematical idea.
Ego based mental blockage make you like like child on floor repeating NO, NO, NO NO.
From what I can tell you don't. If you did, you should be able to communicate it using standard grammar and mathematical notation. You don't need some wacky notation that no one can decipher, where asterisks represent bilateral eyes (or maybe arms, or legs, or testicles...).
You dont need anything that signifcantly exposes you ego based mental blockage issues to truth, facts, and rational, logical common sense speculattions. Narrow mindedness immarture adult is likened to most children.
Sorry, but I've read many of your "explanations." They are invariably just more gibberish.
Repeating your false narrative is just immature childisd-ness. No No No No.
Please share when you actually have any rational logical common sense that actuallly adds to or detracts/invalidates any of the many truths, facts and speculations Ive presented. You Do Not becuase you Have Not any rational, logical common sense to offer.
No No No, ego based mental blockages is all you have to offer. Sad :--(
..................................................Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space.......................................................
----------->---------entropic arrow-of-Time---------->/\/\/\/\/\/\/-----> as reality ergo physical/energy of occupied space
------syntropic----<-------geodesics-of-Space---<---( )( )( )------ as metphysical-3-Gravity and 4-Dark Energy of occupied space
Metaphysical-1 ego { i } does not occupy space nor is it required to operate as a mature adult.
The truth exists for those who seek it. Few have the courage to seek it, much less acknowledge it when presented to them.
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You have yet to explain why breathing through the mouth determines moral significance.
Your above is a false narrative and not a statement Ive ever made.
Again, and you refuse to accept as a fact, the baby taking its first IN-spiration of breath and being disconnected from its mother via umbilical cord, is what makes the the human baby an independent human individual.
Just because the baby is getting its nutrients from the women does not mean it isn't a separate organism.
Your above is false and makes obvious that your an irrational, illogical, lack of common sense nut-case.
If you refuse to accept the scientific fact that the baby is it's own life and own, unique organism, then I see no point in debating someone who is either ignorant or just intellectually dishonest.
False narrative again. The fetus/baby is not an independent human individual as long as;
1} it has not taken its first INspriation of oxygen,
2} is reciving all of its nutrients for sustating life,
3} is inside the pregnant woman and
4} connected to mother via umbilical cord attacehed to uterus/womb.
This just place rational, logical common sense facts - truths, that, you choose to igore so as to justify your sticking you friggin nose in all pregnant womens bodily bussiness on Earth. STOP IT NOW!
Stop your immoral, indecent virtual raping of pregnant women all over Earth NOW!
Read my lips text now and STOP IT! voluntarily or we will have to stop you.
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@3RU7AL
Agreed on all counts, as I cant speak to much of what you state, i not being much of Bible type scholar. I can only repeat that I agree all stems from philosophy and we currently or did have, politics, religon catagories. I'm find with that because of my following repeat below.
Until, religion or politics can follow avenues of rational, logical common sense aside and, observed truths and facts first, then they can be included in philosophy, that I believe at its best is a search for and finding truth and the best pathways forward for humanity
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Religion also bases some of its belief system on what they call an historical accounting ex Jesus, yet there is no historical accountings of Jesus outside of the Bible.
I had an uncle that said the Bible says the pyramids were built by tornadoes/whirlwinds. Huh? ! !
I dont know Bible well enough to say his recollection is correct or not.
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@Stronn
My point was that you should not call people out for being amateurs when you yourself are an amateur.
Some amateurs, Ive encountered here at DArt, have shown little to no evidence that thatas well versed { knowlegdable } of comoslogy and physics that Ive repeated reference in many of my posts. There exist degrees of amateur just as their exist degrees of experts.
As far as your "points", I don' bother to respond because they are mostly incoherent gibberish. The only appropriate response would be WTF?
Ego talking mouthing off invalid statments
the ultra-micro least comprehensive ex a graviton { gravity } or darkion { dark energy }.
This is a perfect example. WTF does this mean? It's not even a sentence.
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Another example. WTF do the asterisks signify? WTF do the long string of dots mean? WTF idea s it trying to convey?
And I have to repeat to you that I have explained the above and all of my comments many times over to others. So I been posting this left and right fro a year or more with explanations and you just know became of those two bilateral asterisks.
So lets do this again for those asleep at the wheel or out to lunch for a year or more, like Stronn
* * = bilateral set of eyes/eyeballs ergo awareness, or consciousness of most complex creature of Universe, human woman, and 2nd place man
Other related/associated bilateral sets:
* * = bilateral set of ears, ovaries, testes, hemi-spheres of brain, two nipples, twp arms, two legs, two lungs, RNA-DNA,
Cosmic Scale twoness;
* * = twoness, otherness ergo awareness via gravity >< dark energy lines-of-relationship between each or between any two fermionic { mass } or bosonic { mass of some sort } particles of Universe
I think having the eyes closer to negative shaped )( dark energy geodesic space, is relevant since that is we humans observed currently as the dominant phenomena or force, between gravity dark energy. If that were to change to a more contractive space then I would have the observeing eyes on the other sides of time.......(* Time ) i ( Time *)........
The fact that you constantly encounter people who find your pseudo-math incoherent should make you stop and consider that maybe not all the fault lies with them..
As Ive stated countless many times and few takers, when you actual have any rational, logical common sense that addreses my comments as presented, adn add to them or invalidate/detract, the please share.
You Do Not because you Have Not any of this latter above.
Pi^3 = 31.00 62 7 66....is factual truth so you go suck on your ego elsewhere until you learn to play fair, like an mature adult.
....it also makes sense as cosmic value for volumetric{ 3D enclosed } space
P^4 - 31 = 66.4... and makes rational sense as the the cosmic value for Time { Observed Time } i.e. occupied space reality aka physical/energy.
So go play with your ego based mental blockages elsewhere and when your actually want act like a mature adult and take jourrney on some rational logical common sense pathways. Please share. Other wise suck on your ego elsewhere.
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@3RU7AL
Agreed, until, religion or politics places avenues of rational, logical common sense aside and, cast observed truths and facts aside.Religion and Politics are both FUNDAMENTALLY PHILOSOPHICAL.
Religion also bases some of its belief system on what they call an historical accounting ex Jesus, yet there is no historical accountings of Jesus outside of the Bible.
I had an uncle that said the Bible says the pyramids were built by tornadoes/whirlwinds. Huh? ! !
I dont know Bible well enough to say his recollection is correct or not.
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@PGA2.0
Explain what your source of morality is and why your moral good is better than mine.
Your and you nosense is the joke so please take your religous mythical nonsense where it belongs.
My source is rational, logical common sense and that is something you avoid like the plague. Sad lack of intellectual integrity :--( Take it out of philosophy cause that is the only righteous thing to do. Sincerely, Ebuc
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Your entire argument stems around the breathing capabilities of of a fetus and an infant.
Fact 1} your above is false ergo you need to address each and every one of my points individually.
...fact 1a} primary concern is the pregnant woman and her rights to terminate or not the human, non-breathing fetus/baby,
Why does it matter if the fetus can't breathe through its mouth?
Fact 2} because it is a fact you wish to avoid because your egos's inability to make a very clear and very distinct differrrence between a viable, breathing infant/child outside of the pregnant womans bodym, and the human fetus/baby organsim attacthed to the woman and insider of the womans womb,
Oxygen is delivered through the umbilical cord, so yes fetus's do respire.
Fact 4} your still trying to avoid the facts, that, we have non-breathing ---non-breathing--- fetus/baby organism of the pregnant woman i..e inside and attached to the woman and sucking via umbilical chord all of its nutritional needs
What about people on breathing machines? Can we kill them too?
Fact 5} you still playing mind games, so read my lips/text again:
....5a{ the human non-breathing fetus/baby has never ever taken its first independent breath,
....5b} the human fetus/baby is inside the pregnant womans body and attached to her womb from which all nutrition is being sucked from,
Oh, and don't think I missed the point you totally ignored because it doesn't fit your argument--
Fact 6} irrespective of whether you have missed the point[s] ive rasied, your ego keeps you from acknowledging and accepting those points as the facts that they are i.e. you are not truly interested in all of the facts, only those you want to cherry pick,
"The fetus is it's own organism with completely separate DNA and a completely separate body."
Fact 7} It is not its own independent organism as long as it is inside the woman, non-breathing, and sucking all of its nutrition from the woman,
If you are going to keep yelling about your feelings,.....
Fact 8} as long as immoral humans keep practicing virtual rape of prenant women by immoralky sticking your nose in their bodily business I will yell, scream or what clearly what you doing and tell you to STOP YOUR IMMORAL VIRTUAL RAPING OF PREGNANT WOMEN? YOUR SICK IN THE HEAD AND NEED MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ASSISTANCE!
I would recommend you put together your thoughts in a factual and coherent way.
FACT 8} i have done that repeatedly and you choose to ignore some fact and cherry pick only the ones you wan to here, so again keep your friggin nose out of pregnant womens bodily business unless they give you there consent to stick your nose where it has no business being.
Fact 9} go stick you nose in a street fight where you have no business sticking and see what happens to your nose there. Yeah, you will think twice before you do that because you know the risks you run, whereas you know you much less risk sticking your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business.
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@PGA2.0
Read my simple lips/text:
Please keep your Biblical nonsense in the Biblical religious forum as that is the only place it belongs.
Biblical non-sense is not philosophical. It is religious, mythological non-sense, with a few good morals thrown in as well as some historical info that is sometimes corroborated with other such recordings.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Actually it is murder to kill an innocent unborn baby,
fact 1} Termination { death } of a pregnant womans non-breathing fetus/baby is her choice as it is and organism of her body. Stop you virutal rape of pregnant women now!
It is not the women's business, it is the babies.
Fact 2} your mistaken and immoral nut case who needs to keep their friggin nose out of a pregnant womans bodily business NOW!
Fact 2) What do you mean by "organism of the mother?"
fact 3} Are you really that dumb? Yes. Human fetus/baby is not and independent human individual and is not only inside the womb it is also attached to the womans directly from which it is sucking the nutrition it needs to become and independent invidual from the woman.
The fetus is it's own organism with completely separate DNA and a completely separate body.
Fact 4} Non-breathing human fetus/baby inside the woman and attached to the woman who is the only person who has moral rights to terminate or not the fetus/baby, so keep your friggin nose out of their bodily business, unless they give you their consent, and stop your immoral virtual raping of pregnatn women NOW!
Above all, you should actually find out what happened in an abortion and what is really inside the women before you lecture me about "morality."
Fact 5} You need to observe the facts and have an empathetic heart and courage to stand for the rights of pregnant women to do as the choose with any organsims of their bodily business, as any other actions by others is virtual raping of those women and you need to STO you virtual raping of pregnant women NOW!
Stop murdering innocent children without their consent.
Fact 6} you need to find the intellectual integrity to make a clear distinction between a breathing "child" and a non-breathing fetus/baby as anything else is just immoral virtual rape by other humans and you need to STOP your immoral virutal raping of pregnant women NOW!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STOP THE VIRTUAL RAPING OR PREGNANT WOMEN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read my lips/text:
Fact 1} you sticking your nose into a pregnant womans bodily businesss, without her consent is virtural rape ergo morally repulsive and sincere lack of moral integrity, STOP IT NOW!
Fact 2} a non- breathing human etus/baby is not an independent human invidual ergo it is oragnism of the mother and her personal bodily business and you need to stop trying to stick your nose in there. STOP Your Immoral Actions NOW!,
Fact 3} Ditto all of the above and take it to heart and find the courage, empathy and rational, logical common sense moral integrity to STOP sticking your nose into pregnant womens bodily business without their consent. Cease and resist your immoral actions NOW and for the rest of you life on Earth or else where. PLEASE AND THANK YOU!
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@PGA2.0
If there is no God then why is your subjective view on what is good any better than mine? Good luck with that.
Keep your Biblical nonsense in the Biblical religious forum as that is the only place it belongs.
Biblical non-sense is not philosphical. It is religious mythological non-sense, with a few good morals thrown in as well as some historical info that is sometimes corroborated with other.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Fact 1} you sticking your nose into a pregnant womans bodily businesss, without her consent is virtural rape ergo morally repulsive and sincere lack of moral integrity, STOP IT NOW!
Fact 2} a non- breathing fetus/baby is not an independent human invidual ergo it is oragnism of the mother and her personal bodily business and you need to stop trying to stick your nose in there. STOP Your Immoral Actions NOW!,
Fact 3} Ditto all of the above and take it to heart and find the courage, empathy and rational, logical common sense moral integrity to STOP sticking your nose into pregnant womens bodily business without their consent. Cease and resist your immoral actions NOW and for the rest of you life on Earth or else where. PLEASE AND THANK YOU!
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@PGA2.0
Please take your irrational, illogical lack of common sense "slop" of biblical nonsense to the religous forum.
It has no philosophical value whatsoever irrespective of your answering someones question or not. Biblical BS is BS irrespective of all else.
You don get because you dont want to get it. Biblical ego not any differrent than intellectual ego that refuses to face and accept rational, logical common sense when presented to them. Please take a hike to the Biblical religlous forum with your nonsense.
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.."The Plot to Betray America"
Author and counter-terrorism analyst Malcolm Nance joins Morning Joe to discuss his new book 'The Plot to Betray America.'
He states how when Trump was in Russia for Miss Universe, Trump was having dinners with many Russian oligarchs and beginng plans for Trumps towers.
All Roads Lead to Russia for those with no moral integrity.
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@Stronn
No. I'm a professional laborer. Do you have any rational, logical common sense that addresses any of my many comments as stated ---n this thread or others-- that adds to them or detracts/invalidates them? No?Are you a professional cosmologist?
I didnt think so because I dont recall your having done so in the past, at least to any significant degree.
Please share when you have something rational, logical and common sense to say, that adds to or detracts from even 2% of the many comments Ive put forward. Please, do it if you can. The same ole 'your nuts' type comments from some are so childish and immature and irrelevant to whether they are "professional" cosmologist, physicists and all cosmic type thinkers of the largest most macro-comprehensive set and,
the ultra-micro least comprehensive ex a graviton { gravity } or darkion { dark energy }.
What ive experienced in most forums is a lot of deaf { non-hearing inconsiderate } brains, that, have access to mind, ye their ego blocks their ability to respond in kind to what I present.
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Please spare us the same old...cant understand this above.....even after Ive explain each and every 2ndary symbolism many times over, to deaf brains. Sad lack of integrity is what I find a lot of .
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@DynamicSquid
Matriarchal ' Yin ' 2020.
Thousands of years of patriarchal ' Yang 'ness is half of the reason humanity is increasingly posioning the ecological environment that sustains them.
Patriarchal nurturing is 2ndary in their nature.
Nurturing primary in the matriarchal.
The early on Six - Seven Nation tribes of north east USA had a system where the women chose their male chief, to be on the front lines of diplomatic negotiations, if not also war, if that is what it came to.
As long as the males physique-of-power, dominates over the female-nurturing-management of biologic/soul life, humanity will perish.
The male who uses mind over brawn, to aid the less dominant female is the only way I see out of this condition.
Standard of living with a smart ecological context, is the only and primary way forward for any size humanity on Earth.
These amateurs who keep exclaiming infinite this and infinite that, are living in fantasy land of delusion, that, misleads other into thinking anything is possible. That is a bit like Kirk Douglas's movie "Sparticus", wherein he states, "you cant stop men, ---300o Spartans--- who want to be free".
Sure hope and will to be free are great things, but mind over matter { brawn } is truely the movie all of humanity needs to see and experience as heroes. Ex open source code is truly the closet thing to 'anything is possible' mindset.
"All for one and one for all".....author of the four musketeers....dare to be naive......
"design-science revolution"...Bucky Fuller...mind over matter......"Only Integrity Is Going To Count"....
economics is irrelevant to minimal effort of brawn and mind........Ebuc
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@DynamicSquid
Spineless old school tecnology
The fetilized human egg thinks ---( *( i )* )--- and soon I will have, 31 bilateral spinal nerves { 62 total }. I am ---or will be somebody-- so mark my words, if this fertilized egg is not terminated, then humanity is about to meet me ( *i* ) ergo look out at humanity here I come!!!!!!, provided I dont drown from the amniotic fluid when taking IN my first INspirational breath of air :--O
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To breathe INward is to become IN-spirited....( *( i )* ) breathe { ( ( o ) ) } initially IN then OUT ergo, I am somebody, with individual status and now that I am free, I choose to feed off the nearest breast { (.)(.) } nipples that I can get my lips around.
......( (*i*) )........bilateral
.....( . )( . )......bosom buddies
.........( . )........umbilicus connection point
........\*Y*/.........sex internalized or externalized
......../......\.........leg, fin or side arm
....._/........\_......leg, fin or tail fluke { cetacean }
A biped on land that fishes for squid and other less complex marine life.
I posion the Earth more than any other animal on Earth.
See my plastics invading your murky depths. LINK
..."But it’s not just the plastic we can see; tiny particles of plastic called microplastics are showing up in our water², our food³, even the air we breath⁴. This flood of plastic is poisoning communities and smothering our environment, threatening whole ecosystems.
....This isn’t a waste management problem; it’s an unmanageable problem. There is simply too much plastic being created, and nowhere for it to end up besides in landfills, in the environment, or being openly burned⁵. Indeed, only 9% of the plastic ever created has been recycled⁶.
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@TheRealNihilist
See my Surrounded by the Best{ worst } People thread for starters and enders for Trumpersters if people if enough people with moral integrity will exercise their will.What do you believe?
Kentucky was barely a win back for democracy and that was people in city/suburbs not the less concerned country bumbkins.
The coal areas going blue was as surprise.
Virgina much more of a win but I presume the same demographics.
Most roads many rural roads in USA are being lead to Putins Russia ergo black rodes of immoral dictator preying on the ignorance of evangelicals who have their narrow focused heads in their butt and seeing a narrow light opening to the reality of outside world, that for is all roads lead to apocalypse.
Pence on his white horse leading the out of anal darkness into apocalypitic light.
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@Paul
People can comprehend infinity we just have no way to observe or measure it so we will never know if it physically exists.
Never ceases to amaze such amateurs jump off into infinite, occupied space Universe, when so many cannot even grasp the current finite size of our occupied space Universe.
I think so many of these amateurs think they make themselves look more intelligent when they through the word infinity in as m an times as possible.
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@zedvictor4
Surely there must have been infinite possibility, or nothing would ever have occurred?
Nonsense from another narrow mind. Please learn what a cosmic or physical law/principle is before you let it all fly in this thread again.
It will be benifiical for you and others.
Also access a dictionary and actually attempt comprehension of the differrence between the words infinite and finite.
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@DynamicSquid
I.e. no answers your ego will allow into consideration. A narrow mind cannot grasp infinity much less a finite, occupied space Universe.So many concepts are related to infinity, none have answers.
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@PGA2.0
Please take your irrational, illogical lack of common sense, biblical nonsense to the religous forum.
It has not philosophical value whatsoever.
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Oh yeah, what happen to Trumpity's press secretary{s}.
It appears that when a presidnecy is this corrupt, there is no one who really cherishes the job of fake newsing the USA peoples for a malignant narrccist thug/dictator.
Oh yeah lets add threatening a witness during a congressioonal grandy jury public hearing.
Talk about a malignant ego pulling its foot out of its butt and putting it in his mouth..........
What a bunch of immoral, indecent and disrepectful citizens we have in USA. Sad :--(
"only integrity is going to count"...Bucky Fuller.....and USA peoples have issue with some of its population ----putting aside republican politicans---- having or even understanding what the word integrity means. Sad :--(
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Is Roger Stone a stoner and just lost his head?
Is stoning person still an accepted form of punishment for those who commit more than 6 felonies?
Will Roger now be......"on the cover of the rolling stone"?.........
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@3RU7AL
How would you apply this principle to a town, a city, and or an entire country or planet?
Simple easy answer --within context of a complex humanity---is two adult single people get approximately equal square space of shelter/dwelling in a humanity where the whole is concerned with all of its parts{ each individual }. Yes, each individual may their own specific needs, that, humanity may not be able to address, or only partially address, over what ever periods of time
Ditto{ apply } the above concepts to food, medical, couples, families so on and so on.
I'm not suggesting that freedom and equality are synonyms. I am suggesting that they are both generally considered desirable.
Seprate issue from conversational back and forth I was having with Athias. You introduced "freedom" into the conversation. Niether Athias or I were even considering that word. Just so were clear.
I'm pretty certain nobody is disputing these terms are generally considered synonymous.
Athias was not disputing them, Athias refuses to even consider them as synonyms or connected in any way/setting/format of rational, logical common sense ergo Athias is just playing childish mind games. If you dont see that, then not sure what I can say to make clarity for you.
THAT'S WHY DESCRIBING ONE WITH EITHER OF THE OTHERS IS NONSENSICAL.
Synonyms are approxmate equality of definition, i.e. they are not exactly the same. Not sure why your even going off on this avenue.
Ive been very clear and none of disputed any of my comments as stated. Even Athias is not disputing just irrationally asking why fairness equals equality.
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@3RU7AL
First of all, dictionaries are not authoritative, they are merely descriptions of general usage.
I stated to Athias, specifically, as a place for starters they need to begin.
Secondly, I'm less interested in definitions and much more interested in your idea of how EQUALITY should be applied or encouraged in a society.
I gave you specific examples, you ask for and you did not address so I'm left to assume I satisfied you criteria on those accounts, however, just in case you still not clear I do once again with hopefully more clarity;
1} a mother, to fair to her two children, cuts a brownie into two seemingly equal size pieces,
ergo my previous givens again, as follows and hope that I'm clear and on point. Freedom is sperate word and my feeling is less synonminous than equal and fairness are to ecah other;
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It is fair to say --truth/fact-- that two electrons are equal to each other in property, not their spacial location.
It is fair to say that, Earth and Jupiter are both planets ergo equal in one respect and of unequal to size.
It is fair to say that man and woman are equal in species yet not equal genetically is all their coding.
It is fair to say that equality exists a word to describe aparent attempting fairness ---repeating my above--- to two or more of her children.
Equality and fairness fair play is about balance and all three words are synoyms, or so I would guess. I dunno as Ive not checked any dictionaries on this latter conjecture.
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Roger Stone found guilty on all accounts. Suck on it Trumpity Dumpity and get ready for many more to come.
How many more will go to prison before the presidency is over.
10, 20 30 40 or more, that bloody red baron is rolling up a score...Snoopy fired once an he fired twice now that bloody red-headed thug is falling out of sight.
Go Snoopy take down all of the immoral dictators on Earth!
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@3RU7AL
Please share your description or an example of what you believe social equality looks like in practice. Please share your description or an example of what you believe social fairness looks like in practice.
I stated repeatedly to Athias, that humans make attempts at fairness/equality via laws, or gifts or whatever works for those humans their circumstances.
It is fair to say --truth/fact-- that two electrons are equal to each other in property, not their spacial location.
It is fair to say that, Earth and Jupiter are both planets ergo equal in one respect and of unequal to size.
It is fair to say that man and woman are equal in species yet not equal genetically is all their coding.
It is fair to say that equality exists a word to describle aparent attempting fairness ---repeating my above--- to two or more of her children.
Equality and fairness fair play is about balance and all three words are synoyms, or so I would guess. I dunno as Ive not checked any dictionaries on this latter conjectrure.
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@Athias
Your only contribution to a rational, logical, common sense, and mature discussion is circular reasoning/tautology.
Again your lack the grasp of synonyms between two or more words ergo you still playing mind games to avoid the truth of connecting equality to fairness. Please share when you graduate from grade school.
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@Greyparrot
Huh? What Twilight Zone has your GParrot head entered into now. XY, ZY or XZ?We don't live in a 2-dimensional world.
X is Putin{ Russia } >< Y is { Russias pawn aka butt sniffer } Trumpity Dumpity
Doesnt get much more 2-dimensional than that. Birds of a dictator-nature stick together, and hopefully in the same prison cell.
Z is China >< Rest of the world is another GParrot heads, Twilight Zone dimensions.
Does Moscow and Crimea have a Trump Tower yet?
He has two { 2D } towers in Istanbul. And Erdogan gives Trumpity two hugs and kisses{ xxx } for turning over the Kurds to him for slaughter { dead meat }
And Putin { Russia } and Assad { Russia } thank Trumpity for turning over captureds lands back to them.
Yes, I think GParrot head lives in a 2 dimensional world Trumpity >< Dumpity. Who needs anything else when your in love with Trumpity Dumpity.
Sing it GP.....I Love You....or yes I do.....I''''' just cant explain, the way I feel about you, cant you see.........sung to Paul McCartney and Wings tune I love you Trumpity Dumpity.
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@3RU7AL
1.(ethics) The principle that one should not treat other people in the manner in which one would not want to be treated by them. [LINK]
Philosophy > morality > ethics > laws in the eyes of justice/fairness.
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time is about cause and effect even if the resultant may be to stiff ergo unfair to whatever degree.
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@Athias
So your argument is a lexically semantic one; that is, equality is fair because the dictionary states as much.
Commoning to common agreement of definition of word/terms is the starting place.
That you cannot connect 'equality' to fairness shows you inability to have rational, logical common sense and mature discussion ergo unnecessary mind games is immature childs game is what your playing.
Even a childs dictionary may connect equality and fairness even when you cannot.
It is humans attempt at being fair. And fairness stems from philosophy ergo morality.
You appear to be ignorant of both ergo you illogical irrational and repeated non-sensical response. One of the places I learned morality was from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show on tv in the 60's.
Golden Rule Variations
The golden rule --do unto others as you would have them doonto you---- has
a common variation in many countries and religions. I wondered if there
were any other rules with such commonality e.g,
Is there a silver rule also? "Seek fair and just resolution with
compassion and empathy for those who violate the laws and moral codes of
humanity or its distinct tribes. "
Perhaps a wooden rule? Forgiveness by God is instantaneous, forgiveness
by humans takes time.
Or the bone rule? Eye for eye and toothe for a tooth. [im not sure if
any animals other than humans practice this concept]
Molecular rule? "Share not with your cousin what you would not have
them share with you."
Quantum rule? "Know that the uncertainty of mind, being common to all
humans, does not neccessitate chaos."
Space-time Rule? ---Pee-Here-Now is rendition of Ram Dass’sBe Here Now
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@Greyparrot
Never trust people like you who vote, support and encourage malignant narcissistic dictator thugs like Trumpity Dumpity.Never trust a person that says "all"
There is no comparsion of integrity of Pelosin to the above "all" and likes of you, Trumpity, and Putin. Just for starters.
Please share when you actually have something of relative significant integrity to share. Rarely have we seen you do that.
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"All Roads Lead to Putin"...Nancy Pelosi
Nancy Pelosi truest definition of states person.....{ substance }
Trumpity Dumpity truest definition of malignant narcissistic thug.....{ lies }
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